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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Penelope on February 02, 2012, 08:25:34 AM
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Richmond are running a competition for Indigenous artists to design their guernsey for this years dream time at the G
The Richmond Football Club is calling for applications to design the guernsey to be worn in the annual Dreamtime at the 'G clash against Essendon on 19 May at the MCG.
In 2012 we are thrilled to announce that a competition will run for artists from 1 February-15 February 2012 to design the Dreamtime Guernsey for the big game on May 19th. The winning artist will receive $1000 prize money, 4 tickets to the RFC Function and a framed signed Dreamtime Guernsey by the Tigers captain and coach. This is a wonderful opportunity for artists to gain massive exposure with a live audience of 85 to 90 thousand people in attendance at the game and a TV audience of close to 2 million people. The winning artist will also be asked to speak about their winning entry at the RFC Function.
To find out more details please contact Coco Eke at dreamtimeguernsey@richmondfc.com.au. In 2012 there is more flexibility than last year in regards to the design of the Guernsey (away jumper in 2012) but there are still some strict specifications.
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http://www.richmondfc.com.au/dreamtime%20guernsey%20design%20comp/tabid/18707/default.aspx
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http://www.richmondfc.com.au/dreamtime%20guernsey%20design%20comp/tabid/18707/default.aspx
Great idea! :thumbsup
The RFC are always coming up with new stuff that other clubs wouldn't even dream of! Well done RFC!
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Great concept would be a real honour to have the club wear your design but I'm guessing not open to non indigenous entrants.
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Great concept would be a real honour to have the club wear your design but I'm guessing not open to non indigenous entrants.
Think you are right Mr Magic - the flyer clearly stats "indigenous artists"
From the flyer:
Richmond is giving Indigenous artists the chance to design the away guernsey for the 2012 Dreamtime At The ‘G
Flyer Link:
http://cht-cdn220-is-1.se.bptvpd.ngcdn.telstra.com/pd_afltigers0/DAG_Flyer_2012.pdf
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Surely everyone who was born in Australia is indigenous? :huh
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:outtahere
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.................*cough cough*
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Why would it be only for Indigenous people? It says Indigenous artists... So I think they want people who are familiar with it.
There are non Aboriginal artists who do Aboriginal paintings and are very familiar with the concept.
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Why would it be only for Indigenous people? It says Indigenous artists... So I think they want people who are familiar with it.
There are non Aboriginal artists who do Aboriginal paintings and are very familiar with the concept.
That's true too
Didn't think of it like that
I'm a :wallywink
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It's a little too ambiguous. Some clarification would be good.
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If a normal person designs something that looks better than what an artist has designed, they will take the better looking one..
So long as it has a Dreamtime/Indigenous theme.
Its all about what looks best on the RFC clash strip.
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anyone know any websites where you can do designs. I got a great theme and I wanna enter. :lol
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Aboriginal and Torres straight islanders have got strong legal protections on cultural / intellectual property. It is not kosher to do aboriginal art if you are not aboriginal unless you are given the nod. Only a few non indigenous artists have been given the go ahead to do this. It is fair enough, it is like doing knock offs. There is a strong spiritual element linked with the art. If you tried to pull a swifty and got found out, they would let Gina Rhinehart use you for a night.
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Aboriginal and Torres straight islanders have got strong legal protections on cultural / intellectual property. It is not kosher to do aboriginal art if you are not aboriginal unless you are given the nod. Only a few non indigenous artists have been given the go ahead to do this. It is fair enough, it is like doing knock offs. There is a strong spiritual element linked with the art. If you tried to pull a swifty and got found out, they would let Gina Rhinehart use you for a night.
It makes sense for it to be just for Indigenous designers/artists.
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There was a huge knock off industry going at one stage, they had to legislate, basically they were pinching all their art and putting it in rugs and cheap tat and they were not seeing a red cent. Now the artists get to see some money but the galleries still make a killing, its massive for overseas collectors, very popular. Lin Onus was one of my favorite artists, he is dead now I believe, used to do these incredible photo-realistic paintings mixed with traditional dot painting, was stunning stuff. Check these out, they look amazing in real life, they are huge and the detail incredible.
http://www.australianfinearteditions.com/pages/artists_works.php?artistID=5
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There was a huge knock off industry going at one stage, they had to legislate, basically they were pinching all their art and putting it in rugs and cheap tat and they were not seeing a red cent. Now the artists get to see some money but the galleries still make a killing, its massive for overseas collectors, very popular. Lin Onus was one of my favorite artists, he is dead now I believe, used to do these incredible photo-realistic paintings mixed with traditional dot painting, was stunning stuff. Check these out, they look amazing in real life, they are huge and the detail incredible.
http://www.australianfinearteditions.com/pages/artists_works.php?artistID=5
Wow Owl, some of that work is amazing!! Thanks for the link ;)
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Thanks Owl
Some sensational art there. Personally have really taken an interest in Indigenous Art over the last couple of years via a friend who has friend (indigenous) in the NT who paints as a hobby and their work is simply brilliant
From the link I really liked the one"Koi at Sankien"
(http://www.australianfinearteditions.com/images/86.jpg)
See: http://www.australianfinearteditions.com/pages/enlargement_artists_works.php?current=3&workID=94&artistID=5
Thanks again
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Some of his stuff reminds me of Dali. :thumbsup
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some serious talent there, cheers for the link owl.
While probably not the standard, for some reason i really like this painting. It's an interesting concept.
http://www.breakawayart.com.au/products/the_last_supper/64/1
. Years ago when we were in Perth we met a bloke by the name of Doug Ryder.
he too combined more contemporary style with traditional aboriginal art in his paintings.
One of his painting depicted a story that his grandmother had told him, which had been passed on to her of their clan seeing a ship off the mid western oz coast. the problem was that this was supposedly historically incorrect as there were no record of any ship landing there at this time.
a few years later i saw one of les hiddens shows on explorers. The explorer, ( i cant remember which one) recorded that when travelling through the mid interior of WA he came across a group of dutch people, dressed in their garb trying to make a go living there. as he could not speak dutch nor they english he could not find out their story.
again, this story is discounted as there are no records of any ships landing in that region or attempts at settlement at the time.
I do wonder if the two are related?
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some serious talent there, cheers for the link owl.
While probably not the standard, for some reason i really like this painting. It's an interesting concept.
http://www.breakawayart.com.au/products/the_last_supper/64/1
Thanks for that link al, liked it too because it is "different" in concept. The Rock maybe in the background it still draws you in
Not making much sense ... but I like
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Always knew that hooter was a closet latte sipping, beret wearing, bone slacks and boat shoes man.
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Always knew that hooter was a closet latte sipping, beret wearing, bone slacks and boat shoes man.
Nothing wrong with wearing a beret when you are balls deep
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Being away for a month has opened my eyes. 1965 was right about a few people here...thank Geez for the ignore list :)
Nice job, Hooter. Always knew there was more to you than being a crazy old bastard.
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Not much more
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I'd say less.
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Aboriginal and Torres straight islanders have got strong legal protections on cultural / intellectual property. It is not kosher to do aboriginal art if you are not aboriginal unless you are given the nod. Only a few non indigenous artists have been given the go ahead to do this. It is fair enough, it is like doing knock offs. There is a strong spiritual element linked with the art. If you tried to pull a swifty and got found out, they would let Gina Rhinehart use you for a night.
How is it fair enough Owl? Anyone should be at liberty to express their artistic flair in whatever style choose surely? Are you saying that only Italians should be allowed to paint in the Michealangelo/Renaissance style. Are you also saying that aboriginal artists can only paint in their own style - that Albert Namitjira should have been banned? i was born in Australia so I am also indigenous to this country so why should I be discriminated against in entering this free style artistic competition. I know you have strong links to the Aboriginal culture but what you are saying just smacks to me of discrimination.
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:outtahere
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Aboriginal and Torres straight islanders have got strong legal protections on cultural / intellectual property. It is not kosher to do aboriginal art if you are not aboriginal unless you are given the nod. Only a few non indigenous artists have been given the go ahead to do this. It is fair enough, it is like doing knock offs. There is a strong spiritual element linked with the art. If you tried to pull a swifty and got found out, they would let Gina Rhinehart use you for a night.
How is it fair enough Owl? Anyone should be at liberty to express their artistic flair in whatever style choose surely? Are you saying that only Italians should be allowed to paint in the Michealangelo/Renaissance style. Are you also saying that aboriginal artists can only paint in their own style - that Albert Namitjira should have been banned? i was born in Australia so I am also indigenous to this country so why should I be discriminated against in entering this free style artistic competition. I know you have strong links to the Aboriginal culture but what you are saying just smacks to me of discrimination.
Eff me smokes, get over it! It you want to really express yourself like them just grab yourself a sheet of roofing iron and a dozen goon bags and head bush for a few days......
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i was born in Australia so I am also indigenous to this country so why should I be discriminated against in entering this free style artistic competition.
Smokey, while maybe you are technically and dictionary defined as indigenous to this country, I think the term 'Indigenous Australians' is a term that is common parlance instead of Aborigines, Aboriginals or Aboriginal Australians and from what I understand is more acceptable to them to be described as such. For the purposes of describing the early inhabitants of this country as a collective, without having any racist connotations, the term 'Indigenous Australians' has been working well for about 20 years now. I can't understand why white people would want to try and lay claim to the phrase.
I'm OK with indigenous only entries to this. There is an alarming need to preserve the culture, so much has been lost, and let's face it, look what white people have done to didgeridoos and boomerangs, made in china and sold at the grampians, it's rubbish, maybe we should keep our hands off sometimes. And some things never change in Australia do they- a panel of white men made the decision to run this contest, and a panel of white men will judge it. All shortlisted work is the club's property and the winner will receive no royalties from the sales of the artwork. In the meantime the club can pay six figures for a cartoon channel club logo.
Eff me smokes, get over it! It you want to really express yourself like them just grab yourself a sheet of roofing iron and a dozen goon bags and head bush for a few days......
Early contender for worst post of the year.
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i was born in Australia so I am also indigenous to this country so why should I be discriminated against in entering this free style artistic competition.
Smokey, while maybe you are technically and dictionary defined as indigenous to this country, I think the term 'Indigenous Australians' is a term that is common parlance instead of Aborigines, Aboriginals or Aboriginal Australians and from what I understand is more acceptable to them to be described as such. For the purposes of describing the early inhabitants of this country as a collective, without having any racist connotations, the term 'Indigenous Australians' has been working well for about 20 years now. I can't understand why white people would want to try and lay claim to the phrase.
I'm OK with indigenous only entries to this. There is an alarming need to preserve the culture, so much has been lost, and let's face it, look what white people have done to didgeridoos and boomerangs, made in china and sold at the grampians, it's rubbish, maybe we should keep our hands off sometimes. And some things never change in Australia do they- a panel of white men made the decision to run this contest, and a panel of white men will judge it. All shortlisted work is the club's property and the winner will receive no royalties from the sales of the artwork. In the meantime the club can pay six figures for a cartoon channel club logo.
Good points DC and I agree with some of what you say, especially of the need to preserve the Aboriginal culture and of how white man has 'damaged the brand' so to speak. I just don't think that applying strict cultural rules apply in this sense as we are talking about a design on a jumper used in a sport that has no Aboriginal roots. To me we are further damaging their brand by doing what we are doing - commercialising a hybrid design that has no connection to, or story from Aboriginal culture. If we want to be serious about it then we should leave the jumper as it is and find more appropriate ways to honour their culture but things being what they are, I just don't agree with keeping the design within the realm of Aboriginal artists, this competition does nothing to me to show Aboriginal art. To be honest, I would rather the club run a competition for Aboriginal art each year with the entries being displayed in our Korin Gamadji Institute for a period around the Dreamtime game and the winning entries being put on permanent display.
And I hear what you are saying about use of the term "Indigenous" but use of the term solely to describe people of Aboriginal heritage to me only serves to divide. All of us born and raised in this country are indigenous to it, some with Anglo-Saxon roots, some with various European roots, some with various Asian roots, some with Aboriginal roots and if we all want to co-exist in harmony then we should all be embracing each other as indigenous Australians. Just my opinion.
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And some things never change in Australia do they- a panel of white men made the decision to run this contest, and a panel of white men will judge it. All shortlisted work is the club's property and the winner will receive no royalties from the sales of the artwork.
Pretty harsh there DC.
Are you sure a 'panel of white men' will judge it? Would not be at all surprised to see someone like Phil Egan closely associated with such a project. Think you should check your facts before making such outlandish statements.
Also so far as 'the club's property' goes you make it sound as if proceeds are going to go towards lattes for the CEO. ::)
As well as the winner's prize, the club has clearly stated that 'Net proceeds from the sale of the Dreamtime guernseys will go towards supporting the Club’s Korin Gamadji Institute'.
The club is doing a good thing here, yet you're criticising them for it. :huh