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Title: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: Coach on January 19, 2013, 05:31:01 PM
For those of you who don't know, Michael Pahoff (bloke who was running around collecting signatures back in the day  ;D) posts on PRE as Phantom. Now I have just read something that greatly disturbs me. Just reading a thread on PRE about developing talls and saw Phantom posted this last month: "Riewoldt was an interesting one.

I remember speaking with Francis over the phone prior to the draft. There was much discussion from others about taking the other Taswegian key forward in ... I think Thorp was his name.
Both Francis and I were very keen on Riewoldt as we'd both seen him do very well the previous year.

The key was the VFL match where both Riewoldt and Thorp played in the Taswegian team.
What was clear, that I said to Francis, was that Riewoldt can jump but Thorp couldn't, and therefore Riewoldt was going to be more competitive in tight situations.

Unfortunately, when Riewoldt arrived, Richardson ruled the roost.
It was clear that none of the other younger key forwards - Schulz, Hughes nor Reiwoldt were getting a far go.
This was the root of my enormous angst towards Richardson in his later years.
Richardson was playing for himself, not the team. It was very clear.

So, next point was Craig Cameron's arrival at Tigerland.
Since Craig and I don't get on so well now, I can say that we met secretly a couple of times at a cafe around the corner from where he lived in Middle Park, before he began at Richmond.
I gave Craig a copy of my Richmond computer files, so that he had a summarised and organised history to work with.
That was when he engaged me to do some statistical research studies on drafting, and success rates over the previous decade with 1st, 2nd & 3rd round picks. Although, I went further and broke it down to picks 1-10, 11-20, etc.
We planned how the list was going to change.
We knew that Richardson was messing up the forward line, but public opinion at Richmond would never allow his removal.
We knew that 3 junior forwards who all played similar football was at least 1, possibly 2 too many.
We knew Hughes was going to go, and I was for it.
Schulz, I thought, was going to stay, to play CHB, but Craig in retrospect must have felt differently.
We thought Reiwoldt had something that was yet to come out on the footy field.

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/players/J/Jack_Riewoldt.html

At that point, Riewoldt was lucky.
He did have a slow start.
Schulz and Hughes, similar players, were on the list with him but only a year or two older.
Three plus Richardson were certainly too many.

Personally, the impetus to get rid of Richardson, even if it was just to get him up to the wing, was a major factor in Riewoldt's development.

No doubt, if Richardson had stayed at FF, he would have continued there for the next 2 years, and Riewoldt would have eventually gone the same way as Hughes & Schulz, only because that was the lack of foresight at Richmond prior to then.
"

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Can one of you wankers with your inside info (you Club 80 nut huggers don't count) nip this claim in the bud? Fair dinkum, Pahoff & Craig Cameron sitting at a cafe exchanging files and talking about how Richardson is no good. Why would that not surprise me  :lol And phone calls with Francis Jackson  :bow That is unreal stuff. Now Michael is a good bloke and a passionate supporter. I certainly don't agree with everything he says but why make that up?
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: Coach on January 19, 2013, 05:31:57 PM
http://www.puntroadend.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=47551.msg1524128;topicseen#msg1524128
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: gerkin greg on January 19, 2013, 05:57:27 PM
Big afternoon at Coach's mum's rental property
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: Penelope on January 19, 2013, 05:59:07 PM
Quote
We thought Reiwoldt had something that was yet to come out on the footy field.

This comment shows great foresight and intuition.
Reiwoldts ability to stand and point after he missed a goal as developed to point where he second to none.

In all serisosness, i don't read that as saying that Richo was no good, just that the forward line revolved around him too much and as he was nearing the end of his career that had to change.

I thought that for a long time we were too Richo centric and also felt that played a large part in Shultze never reaching his potential at Tigerland.

When Kennedy took over as coach at hawthorn he said something similar about Hudson and that they would not win a premiership with him there. Controversially he gave him the big A but won a premiership the next year (or year after?)




Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: Coach on January 19, 2013, 06:02:58 PM
Yeah but WGAF about that man. This is about Helmut and Pahoff exploding theories and sharing files. Someone just tell me that's BS.

The comments about Richo playing for himself are a disgrace
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: Penelope on January 19, 2013, 06:15:27 PM
i must be missing something as I'm unsure what the problem is with giving a new employee info needed to do his job.

As for someone telling you its BS, i doubt its possible. If the meetings were secret then only those supposedly involved would know, and as you say, why would he make that up.

But then again, I cant work out why they met in secret though. that doesn't make a lot of sense. maybe he is just making it up , or just bends the truth a bit to come across as a secret squirrel type?
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: bojangles17 on January 19, 2013, 06:25:36 PM
2 minutes of. My life i wont  get back ::)
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: Penelope on January 19, 2013, 06:28:47 PM
have you ever spent 2 minutes of your life you will get back?
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: Coach on January 19, 2013, 06:31:59 PM
i must be missing something as I'm unsure what the problem is with giving a new employee info needed to do his job.

As for someone telling you its BS, i doubt its possible. If the meetings were secret then only those supposedly involved would know, and as you say, why would he make that up.

But then again, I cant work out why they met in secret though. that doesn't make a lot of sense. maybe he is just making it up , or just bends the truth a bit to come across as a secret squirrel type?

You see no problem with Pahoff giving Helmut his info? What has Pahoff done in football that makes his "files" worth looking at? Surely this guy has to have some football background to be speaking on the phone with recruiters and having secret meetings with a guy running the football department. Why would Cameron meet with him in the first place? Pahoff has delusions of his importance and football knowledge (bit like some of us OER experts ;D) which just makes this whole thing incredibly ridiculous. Cameron is better off smoking a joint with BJ than listening to Phantom.

have you ever spent 2 minutes of your life you will get back?

We've just cost the sook 2 minutes of thinking up gay nicknames for next years draftees
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: Phil Mrakov on January 19, 2013, 06:46:16 PM
Crap thread brah
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: Coach on January 19, 2013, 06:52:31 PM
Crap thread brah

You're doing a poor job at hiding how butt hurt you are. It would be good for everyone if you realised you're an incredibly unfunny gimp.
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: Phil Mrakov on January 19, 2013, 06:53:48 PM
Crap thread brah

You're doing a poor job at hiding how butt hurt you are. It would be good for everyone if you realised you're an incredibly unfunny gimp.

Just stating the truth. poo thread is poo
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: RedanTiger on January 19, 2013, 07:08:38 PM
i must be missing something as I'm unsure what the problem is with giving a new employee info needed to do his job.

As for someone telling you its BS, i doubt its possible. If the meetings were secret then only those supposedly involved would know, and as you say, why would he make that up.

But then again, I cant work out why they met in secret though. that doesn't make a lot of sense. maybe he is just making it up , or just bends the truth a bit to come across as a secret squirrel type?

You see no problem with Pahoff giving Helmut his info? What has Pahoff done in football that makes his "files" worth looking at? Surely this guy has to have some football background to be speaking on the phone with recruiters and having secret meetings with a guy running the football department. Why would Cameron meet with him in the first place? Pahoff has delusions of his importance and football knowledge (bit like some of us OER experts ;D) which just makes this whole thing incredibly ridiculous. Cameron is better off smoking a joint with BJ than listening to Phantom.



Agree with others that you're creating a storm in a teacup.
When Cameron came over (as List Manager), Miller was still very much in control but very busy with the added job of Director.
Presumably Miller got Pahoff to brief Cameron on the history of our picks to give an over view of the list.
No big deal to my mind since I don't think the club really had that type of data at hand at the time. Get it where you can.

Any discussion of Richmond's list would have included some opinion of Richo/forwards.
How seriously an incoming List Manager would take those is up to him but one would think Miller had already warned Cameron. 

As for the secrecy angle, it would have been before the draft when Cameron was still a Melbourne employee.
Most do it, but it is really a serious no-no to be working simultaneously for two companies competing in the same industry.

As you say, Pahoff does have some delusions as to his importance and knowledge - as do we all - so I don't know why you take his story as gospel truth as to his influence.
If you've read his posts over the years you would realise that his opinions are very much NOT the actions taken by Richmond.
This case of trading out Richo is yet another.
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: Rampstar on January 19, 2013, 07:08:59 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: Rampstar on January 19, 2013, 07:11:16 PM
Richmond FC should be sold to private investors and privatised. No more members taking the pee out of the whole joint, the owners would be solely responsible  ;D
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: RedanTiger on January 19, 2013, 07:19:20 PM
Richmond FC should be sold to private investors and privatised. No more members taking the pee out of the whole joint, the owners would be solely responsible  ;D

Why would anybody pay money to buy the place when you can get the same result from being appointed to the board.  ;D

PS I think we still have one director who wasn't appointed.
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: Penelope on January 19, 2013, 07:20:59 PM
[ Pahoff has delusions of his importance and football knowledge (bit like some of us OER experts ;D) which just makes this whole thing incredibly ridiculous. Cameron is better off smoking a joint with BJ than listening to Phantom.


Good chance your answer is right there.

Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: Coach on January 19, 2013, 07:24:32 PM
I'm not creating anything RT, just stunned at Pahoff having anything to do with Richmond apart from attending games and posting his views on PRE. You cannot tell me that we used Michael Pahoff's data :lol Well you can because you just did. :(

Richmond FC should be sold to private investors and privatised. No more members taking the pee out of the whole joint, the owners would be solely responsible  ;D

Should be sold and renamed 'Gimps R Us'. By stuff do we still have some duds involved at this club


Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: Penelope on January 19, 2013, 07:35:58 PM
ahh, when you said he was collecting signitures I thought it was some cryptic way of saying he had something to do with list management/recruiting.

I was missing something...he was not an employee of the club. The notion that someone not employed at the club would make such claims did not cross my mind. Having being around these forums for a while i should not have made that mistake.

I now have more faith in validity of my previous post
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: Coach on January 19, 2013, 07:39:42 PM
ahh, when you said he was collecting signitures I thought it was some cryptic way of saying he had something to do with list management/recruiting.

I was missing something...he was not an employee of the club. The notion that someone not employed at the club would make such claims did not cross my mind. Having being around these forums for a while i should not have made that mistake.

I now have more faith in validity of my previous post

;D

Greg Miller did offer this chap some sort of minor role back in 04. Astonishing really. Maybe I will start a petition and Helmut will offer me a job.
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: RedanTiger on January 19, 2013, 07:49:56 PM
Think it was very much in the vein of "keep your friends close and your enemies closer".
Very shrewd move on Miller's part to co-opt a dangerous influence. 
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: Coach on January 19, 2013, 07:54:06 PM
Think it was very much in the vein of "keep your friends close and your enemies closer".


I agree. The whole thing is still unbelievable to me though. This rubbish wouldn't happen at a good club.
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: bojangles17 on January 19, 2013, 09:35:57 PM
Think it was very much in the vein of "keep your friends close and your enemies closer".


I agree. The whole thing is still unbelievable to me though. This rubbish wouldn't happen at a good club.
So you actually think its true, ooh what about the bit he was joining one direction this year, you missed that bit :lol
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: Coach on January 19, 2013, 09:37:52 PM
Think it was very much in the vein of "keep your friends close and your enemies closer".


I agree. The whole thing is still unbelievable to me though. This rubbish wouldn't happen at a good club.
So you actually think its true, ooh what about the bit he was joining one direction this year, you missed that bit :lol

The man was offered a job by the club. I hardly think it's outrageous to be open to the idea of him meeting with CC before he started working for Richmond. You believe Rance is the greatest defender in history so you shouldn't have any trouble believing this, guy
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: bojangles17 on January 19, 2013, 09:46:11 PM
Wo says he was offered a job by the club, he wanted to run for a posi on the board and didn't get too many votes, im not across any role being offered, i feel its a figment of his imagination
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: Coach on January 19, 2013, 09:48:36 PM
Wo says he was offered a job by the club, he wanted to run for a posi on the board and didn't get too many votes, im not across any role being offered, i feel its a figment of his imagination

Miller offered him a minor role. As I said before, Phantom has delusions of his importance and footy knowledge but the club helped boost his ego. He didn't want to run for a spot on the board either.
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: tiga on January 19, 2013, 09:59:56 PM
have you ever spent 2 minutes of your life you will get back?

 :rollin Quote of the year!!  :clapping
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: RedanTiger on January 19, 2013, 11:23:28 PM
Wo says he was offered a job by the club, he wanted to run for a posi on the board and didn't get too many votes, im not across any role being offered, i feel its a figment of his imagination

And over there in Bo's double reality he both "wanted to run" and "didn't get too many votes".

Here in the real world he simply ran a petition to spill the board in 2004.
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: Bengal on January 19, 2013, 11:32:07 PM
Wo says he was offered a job by the club, he wanted to run for a posi on the board and didn't get too many votes, im not across any role being offered, i feel its a figment of his imagination

Miller offered him a minor role. As I said before, Phantom has delusions of his importance and footy knowledge but the club helped boost his ego. He didn't want to run for a spot on the board either.

i've always been of the belief that he was an RFC stalker..   :shh
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: yellowandback on January 20, 2013, 09:54:00 AM
Love the nickname for CC Coach  :lol
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on January 20, 2013, 10:25:01 AM
I know where your coming from here Coach.

If what this guy is posting "is" correct & factual it really shows how stupid this club has been in the past. It would be unbelievable that F. J. or C. C. would be enlisting the help of a regular supporter unless he had a history in recruiting and development or list management at AFL level or atleast State level.
Half blaming Richo for the failed development of Hughes or Schultz or potentially Reiwoltd is laughable, nothing of how unresourced the club was or had been or how there wasn't any form of development whatsoever & how they managed to ruin the careers of most players that walked through its doors.
The post also insinuates that Richo was a one man band and wasn't a team player. From that post I can only suspect that the club was more of a rabble than I previously suspected or that this phantom fellow is a narcissist and full of poo.

Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: eliminator on January 20, 2013, 03:03:24 PM
Yeah but WGAF about that man. This is about Helmut and Pahoff exploding theories and sharing files. Someone just tell me that's BS.

The comments about Richo playing for himself are a disgrace

Richo never played for himself. The criticism is unwarranted-having no basis in fact. If Richo did play that way he would have left the club ages ago- gone to a more successful club at the time.
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: gerkin greg on January 20, 2013, 03:57:31 PM
Helmut needs to be replaced by Balmey

The joke has gone on long enough
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: bojangles17 on January 20, 2013, 04:02:01 PM
Balmey, talk about being in the right place at the right time, he was just about strung up at collingwood with the ongoing tarrant hijinx before he was sacked. Yeah, balmey the mastermind behind geelongs success :lol
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: gerkin greg on January 20, 2013, 04:05:36 PM
Yeah he's a dud. The bloke that put together melbourne's list is much better  ::)

Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: Coach on January 20, 2013, 04:30:23 PM
Yeah he's a dud. The bloke that put together melbourne's list is much better  ::)



:lol
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: bojangles17 on January 20, 2013, 05:16:36 PM
Yeah he's a dud. The bloke that put together melbourne's list is much better  ::)
How did balmey go at melbourne :lol.....cc is making a pretty decent fist of it just quietly :shh
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: gerkin greg on January 20, 2013, 05:30:21 PM
Balme has won premierships as a player and coach and administrator

WTF has Craig Cameron ever done that remotely resembles success? Getting Luke McGuane to sign a 3 year million dollar deal? LMFAO
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on January 20, 2013, 06:18:58 PM
I've never liked Cameron.

Should of already had Balme at punt road already.  :banghead

Get it done Tigers!
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: bojangles17 on January 20, 2013, 06:19:48 PM
Balme has won premierships as a player and coach and administrator

WTF has Craig Cameron ever done that remotely resembles success? Getting Luke McGuane to sign a 3 year million dollar deal? LMFAO
Hahahah and the companies ive worked for have made billions, year on year, all because of me ::)
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: Coach on January 20, 2013, 06:20:21 PM
Balme has won premierships as a player and coach and administrator

WTF has Craig Cameron ever done that remotely resembles success? Getting Luke McGuane to sign a 3 year million dollar deal? LMFAO

Balme has no idea he just got lucky. Ever heard of right place right time  ::) CC has been starting up a dynasty at Punt rd and if you cant see that then there's not much hope for you partner  :lol whoa gerks, is there something about Brad Miller, Ricky Petterd, Addam Maric, Adam Thomson, Orren Stephenson that you don't like  :shh You think getting these blokes to the club is easy  ::)
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: bojangles17 on January 20, 2013, 06:32:33 PM
Lol, great ammo sighting our rookie list,  :lol...try our r  1 and 2 selections for size, veritable feast of rising star noms :shh
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: Coach on January 20, 2013, 06:37:59 PM
Lol, great ammo sighting our rookie list,  :lol...try our r  1 and 2 selections for size, veritable feast of rising star noms :shh

Whoa Blowie17, thanks for informing me that Craig Cameron is our recruiter. I did not know that. Jayden Post turned out pretty well...as did Dean Macdonald and Troy Taylor. Mitchy Farmer & Benny Nason = boom recruits.

Praising a recruiter for good picks in the first round :clapping The first round is where you earn your money :clapping We're on the same page here Blowie :clapping
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: bojangles17 on January 20, 2013, 06:39:55 PM
Yeah fiora , jon, tambling, polo, meyer and patto say hello, ummmm errrrr, i fink dey were first rounders :lol
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: Coach on January 20, 2013, 06:40:31 PM
Yeah fiora , jon, tambling, polo, meyer and patto say hello, ummmm errrrr, i fink dey were first rounders :lol

Is anyone reading this :lol
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: gerkin greg on January 20, 2013, 06:46:09 PM
Balme has won premierships as a player and coach and administrator

WTF has Craig Cameron ever done that remotely resembles success? Getting Luke McGuane to sign a 3 year million dollar deal? LMFAO
Hahahah and the companies ive worked for have made billions, year on year, all because of me ::)

Thank **** helmut was still at Melbourne then in 2007 because he would have picked Cale Morton over Cotchin  :lol

Yep Balmey the dud, every side he's coached played finals as a minimum, and every club hes been football general manager have made a grand final as a minimum. Flukey poo right there, seriously you have NFI, might be able to make a better decision if you take the dick out of your ear balljangles17
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: gerkin greg on January 20, 2013, 06:50:39 PM
Surely there is a bit of :fishing going on

No one could be that stuffing stupid
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: Coach on January 20, 2013, 06:52:46 PM
Surely there is a bit of :fishing going on

No one could be that stuffing stupid

There is no fishing going on, just heavy suckwork from a guy who makes Phantom look modest about his "knowledge".
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: bojangles17 on January 20, 2013, 07:24:41 PM
Balme has won premierships as a player and coach and administrator

WTF has Craig Cameron ever done that remotely resembles success? Getting Luke McGuane to sign a 3 year million dollar deal? LMFAO
Hahahah and the companies ive worked for have made billions, year on year, all because of me ::)

Thank **** helmut was still at Melbourne then in 2007 because he would have picked Cale Morton over Cotchin  :lol

Yep Balmey the dud, every side he's coached played finals as a minimum, and every club hes been football general manager have made a grand final as a minimum. Flukey poo right there, seriously you have NFI, might be able to make a better decision if you take the dick out of your ear balljangles17

guess what he s not the general manager you peanut, Brian cook is... :lol...and sorry but stepehn wells has been their recruiter for donkeys yonkees :lol Balmey has had no more or less a hand in it than the doorman :lol...sorry to break it to ya pal :shh
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: gerkin greg on January 20, 2013, 07:27:11 PM
Brian Cook is the CEO genius  :lol

Balmey is Football General Manager, eff me blowie youre sucking today bro
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: Coach on January 20, 2013, 07:36:31 PM
Tony Montana, are you BJ's carer? When you two play "golf" do you just hit him in the head with your driver over and over? It is the only possible explanation for Blowie's posts. Please restrict his internet access from now on.
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: bojangles17 on January 20, 2013, 07:42:01 PM
You listen here pal, quit while your ahead or ill have up on human rights abuse in a minute :shh
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: Coach on January 20, 2013, 07:44:59 PM
You wot m8
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: bojangles17 on January 20, 2013, 07:58:26 PM
You wot m8
Restricting my freedom of speach
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: gerkin greg on January 20, 2013, 07:59:04 PM
For a laugh you should check out helmut's Wikipedia page and compare it to Big Neil's  :lol
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: bojangles17 on January 20, 2013, 08:19:30 PM
Listen i can very easily check the validity of your story, my bro often catches greg miller at sandown park dogs n his capacity as GM....i ll ask him to raise it and report back the findings :shh
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: Rampstar on January 20, 2013, 08:24:43 PM
Neil Balme has had success everywhere he has gone. Should have been running the RFC Footy Dept years ago.
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: Rampstar on January 20, 2013, 08:29:05 PM
Richmond FC should be sold to private investors and privatised. No more members taking the pee out of the whole joint, the owners would be solely responsible  ;D

Why would anybody pay money to buy the place when you can get the same result from being appointed to the board.  ;D

PS I think we still have one director who wasn't appointed.

A private owner would sack most of the overpaid hangers on at the club and also get rid of the people who got jobs because of mates working in the industry. Its a disgrace that members have to pay for these bludgers. I hope all clubs get privatised so that membership fees all come down across the board. Every supporter of every club is being ripped off by these bludgers working in footy clubs.
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: bojangles17 on January 20, 2013, 08:34:08 PM
As if private ownership works, ...pathway to oblivion
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: Coach on January 20, 2013, 08:44:19 PM
For a laugh you should check out helmut's Wikipedia page and compare it to Big Neil's  :lol

LMFAO @ hiring an NHL player to run our football department
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: Rampstar on January 20, 2013, 10:08:40 PM
As if private ownership works, ...pathway to oblivion

Atleast the members wont have to pay for everything  :gotigers
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: Gigantor on January 20, 2013, 10:16:28 PM
In American football The green bay packers is I think the only non privately owned franchise.They appear to be a very well run organisation and quite successful to boot.And green bay is hardly one of the major population centres,with a population barely over 100,000 i think .making it approximately the size of geelong
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: bojangles17 on January 21, 2013, 08:05:42 AM
As if private ownership works, ...pathway to oblivion

Atleast the members wont have to pay for everything  :gotigers

Well no one has to ramp...everything that has been raised has been through generous donations, not extortion :shh
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: Coach on January 21, 2013, 10:23:48 AM
Balme has won premierships as a player and coach and administrator

WTF has Craig Cameron ever done that remotely resembles success? Getting Luke McGuane to sign a 3 year million dollar deal? LMFAO
Hahahah and the companies ive worked for have made billions, year on year, all because of me ::)

Thank **** helmut was still at Melbourne then in 2007 because he would have picked Cale Morton over Cotchin  :lol

Yep Balmey the dud, every side he's coached played finals as a minimum, and every club hes been football general manager have made a grand final as a minimum. Flukey poo right there, seriously you have NFI, might be able to make a better decision if you take the dick out of your ear balljangles17

guess what he s not the general manager you peanut, Brian cook is... :lol

:lol
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: gerkin greg on January 21, 2013, 10:32:16 AM
Balme has won premierships as a player and coach and administrator

WTF has Craig Cameron ever done that remotely resembles success? Getting Luke McGuane to sign a 3 year million dollar deal? LMFAO
Hahahah and the companies ive worked for have made billions, year on year, all because of me ::)

Thank **** helmut was still at Melbourne then in 2007 because he would have picked Cale Morton over Cotchin  :lol

Yep Balmey the dud, every side he's coached played finals as a minimum, and every club hes been football general manager have made a grand final as a minimum. Flukey poo right there, seriously you have NFI, might be able to make a better decision if you take the dick out of your ear balljangles17

guess what he s not the general manager you peanut, Brian cook is... :lol

:lol

hey man don't suppress his freedom of speech, let his foot do it  :lol
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: Coach on January 21, 2013, 10:34:46 AM
Balme has won premierships as a player and coach and administrator

WTF has Craig Cameron ever done that remotely resembles success? Getting Luke McGuane to sign a 3 year million dollar deal? LMFAO
Hahahah and the companies ive worked for have made billions, year on year, all because of me ::)

Thank **** helmut was still at Melbourne then in 2007 because he would have picked Cale Morton over Cotchin  :lol

Yep Balmey the dud, every side he's coached played finals as a minimum, and every club hes been football general manager have made a grand final as a minimum. Flukey poo right there, seriously you have NFI, might be able to make a better decision if you take the dick out of your ear balljangles17

guess what he s not the general manager you peanut, Brian cook is... :lol

:lol

hey man don't suppress his freedom of speech, let his foot do it  :lol

That comment is worse than slapping Matt Hornsby on the arse for recruiting :lol
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: tiga on January 21, 2013, 11:11:37 AM
Balme has won premierships as a player and coach and administrator

WTF has Craig Cameron ever done that remotely resembles success? Getting Luke McGuane to sign a 3 year million dollar deal? LMFAO
Hahahah and the companies ive worked for have made billions, year on year, all because of me ::)

Thank **** helmut was still at Melbourne then in 2007 because he would have picked Cale Morton over Cotchin  :lol

Yep Balmey the dud, every side he's coached played finals as a minimum, and every club hes been football general manager have made a grand final as a minimum. Flukey poo right there, seriously you have NFI, might be able to make a better decision if you take the dick out of your ear balljangles17

guess what he s not the general manager you peanut, Brian cook is... :lol

:lol

hey man don't suppress his freedom of speech, let his foot do it  :lol

Champagne Comedy.  :rollin Who's on first??



Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: bojangles17 on January 21, 2013, 06:05:40 PM
Oooh yeah, i love the one about neil balme as the god given guru to geelong s success, thats right, forget the prez, forget the GM, forget the CEO..forget the recruiting guru, .nope all down to the football manager, yep the bloke that books the bus and plane tickets,  and make sure the liniment jars are topped up, yep, he s our man :lol :rollin
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: gerkin greg on January 21, 2013, 06:13:19 PM
have you been licking the back of madtiger's neck?

seriously WTF are you on boyo?
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: Coach on January 21, 2013, 06:14:37 PM
Is Brian Cook the GM or the CEO
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: bojangles17 on January 21, 2013, 06:22:43 PM
Is Brian Cook the GM or the CEO
Ceo, go to cats website and you will get some clarity on balmey s role
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: gerkin greg on January 21, 2013, 06:24:20 PM
compare Craig-San and Balmey's resumes and you may get some clarity on why one is better than the other  :shh
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: gerkin greg on January 21, 2013, 06:31:10 PM
Is Brian Cook the GM or the CEO
Ceo, go to cats website and you will get some clarity on balmey s role


Ok let's take a look:

Quote
Neil Balme - General Manager Football

Balme is currently General Manager Football Operations of Geelong Football Club where he has brought a wealth of knowledge. He has played a pivotal role at the Cats and has helped the club secure on field success winning 2 AFL Premierships ( 2007 and 2009 ) and runner up to Hawthorn in 2008. Geelong also won the pre season NAB Cup in 2009 under Balme’s reign

http://www.geelongcats.com.au/club/the-board-and-executive


Hi Gimp
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: Coach on January 21, 2013, 06:37:55 PM
Neil Balme = "the bloke that books the bus and plane tickets,  and make sure the liniment jars are topped up"

Craig Cameron = kick starter of the Richmond dynasty, runs the football department and is also our recruiter. Best effort at Richmond is 9th place when Wallet was still here
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: Crazy_Ivan on January 21, 2013, 06:45:58 PM
How an unprofessinal duo like Brian Cook and Frank Costa hire Balme,I,ll never know. :shh
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: bojangles17 on January 21, 2013, 06:48:59 PM
compare Craig-San and Balmey's resumes and you may get some clarity on why one is better than the other  :shh

If you rate being a permiership player a superior candidate for football ops then i guess you re right ::)
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: Coach on January 21, 2013, 07:02:14 PM
How an unprofessinal duo like Brian Cook and Frank Costa hire Balme,I,ll never know. :shh

Exactly. And how lucky are we that Greg Miller hired Helmut? That's one great signing that dud Miller made.

Hey Blowies17, you do know Balme has coached clubs to premierships?
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: gerkin greg on January 21, 2013, 07:50:03 PM
Hey Blowies17, you do know Balme has coached clubs to premierships?

Whoa, coached the redlegs to ten finals series in a row and two premierships, one day hopes to use these skills to become a travel agent in Geelong as soon as he gets his licence from Greyhound
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: bojangles17 on January 21, 2013, 08:07:18 PM
How an unprofessinal duo like Brian Cook and Frank Costa hire Balme,I,ll never know. :shh

Exactly. And how lucky are we that Greg Miller hired Helmut? That's one great signing that dud Miller made.

Hey Blowies17, you do know Balme has coached clubs to premierships?

Where was that mate sanfl, gee he was good at melbourne :lol
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: gerkin greg on January 21, 2013, 08:17:48 PM
Apart from the prelim he coached that rabble to, probably the lowlight of an otherwise flawless career in football.

 :lol

What is it, involved in 5 AFL flags and 2 SANFL vs how many for Creg?  :lol

Did he boof some bird you couldn't get your hands on or something?  :lol
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: bojangles17 on January 21, 2013, 08:48:22 PM
Ill tell you why pal now come close coz i dont want you to misunderstand. He s had every chance to come back to punt rd, but deep down he s a weak prick and he realises the job was beyond his god given capabilities. Tis much easier to work for bhp than create the next big australian. Enough said case closed he acknowledged as much he wasnt up for the challenge :whistle
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: gerkin greg on January 21, 2013, 09:06:48 PM
So why didn't you just say that you think he's a weak prick  :lol

And why pump up a muppet just because you hate the alternative?

Jeezus Bo
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: Coach on January 21, 2013, 09:23:37 PM
why can't the mods do something useful
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: bojangles17 on January 21, 2013, 09:43:06 PM
So why didn't you just say that you think he's a weak prick  :lol

And why pump up a muppet just because you hate the alternative?

Jeezus Bo
I dont hate him, im dissapointed in him, i know people connected to cc and they speak very highly of him. Ive also been to meetings as a delegate and listened to presentations from he and benny g, by gee they were impressive.
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: gerkin greg on January 21, 2013, 09:54:52 PM
So because you're disappointed in him he's no good?

Fair enough stucking up for CC if he's a mate, he may speak well to you and is probably a nice guy with a nice haircut, but one has runs on the board and one continues to make errors.

Balme is the higher calibre GM of Football, running football departments that have been to six grand finals in the last 13 years compared to zero tells us that.
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: bojangles17 on January 21, 2013, 10:04:33 PM
I don't know cc personally, i know someone pretty close to him. Tbh my opinion was more on when ive seen him in action, ive also heard balmey plenty on radio and am not convinced he s any rocket scientist
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: bojangles17 on January 21, 2013, 10:05:08 PM
why can't the mods do something useful
I thought you were a mod :lol
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: gerkin greg on January 21, 2013, 10:16:57 PM
I don't know cc personally, i know someone pretty close to him. Tbh my opinion was more on when ive seen him in action, ive also heard balmey plenty on radio and am not convinced he s any rocket scientist

Fair enough - I certainly don't think Balmey is a messiah, just a clear upgrade

Now stop being a gimp  :lol
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: bojangles17 on January 22, 2013, 08:00:56 AM
just a bit of post season discusssion, good for the soul :lol
Title: Re: Helmut secret meetings
Post by: gerkin greg on January 22, 2013, 09:00:17 AM
Think we've moved from post season to pre season - thankfully  ;D