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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: mightytiges on July 13, 2013, 10:43:52 PM
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The past month's goalkicking has been pretty ordinary despite three wins from the last four.
17.19 vs Bulldogs
17.17 vs Saints
8.18 vs Roos
6.17 vs Suns
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We can't afford to do this over the next 3 weeks against top 4 sides. We've got to make the most of our chances and especially set shots.
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Not to be ignored, major issue throughout the whole team
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All season long it has been an issue
14.22 Carlton
14.15 & 17.17 St.Kilda
17.19 Dogs
15.16 Melbourne
Adding the last two weeks where we have kicked combined 14.35.
In nearly half our games we have wasted chanced to win by greater margins.
We were never in the hunt last week.
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Fondly remember the 18.6 VS West Coast but it has been terrible since. Vickery hasn't looked like it all year, Jack seems to have lost his touch, A Edwards isn't showing any of the confidence he had at NM, Cotchin having a bad year for it too, and the guy who irritates me a lot is Conca who rarely seems to be able to kick them. Even Lids and Martin aren't having much luck.
Some good finishers that I'd like to see kicking for goal more are Vlastuin and Ellis. Seriously even Jackson is kicking pretty straight (more or less).
10-goal wins that should be 15-goal wins. Drives me nuts...
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Based on past seasons Riewoldt is our best kick for goal but I think there is a big gap to the next best. This is why we need to recruit a highly skilled small forward with a high conversion rate Goals seem to be scored by luck rather than good management and against the better teams you cant rely on luck. Ultimately we have quite poorly skilled players inside our 50 and to win flags this will need to be an important area we need to improve on.
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Ellis kicking for goal has been good as has Jackson. Agree Vickery has been off all year. Jack has been pretty inaccurate as well. Agree Lids, Cotch and Martin have missed a few which you would expect them to get. Must improve kicking for goal otherwise we stand no chance against the better teams. Only Ellis and Jackson mastered the goal kicking conditions against the Suns.
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Ellis's finish was delightful.
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yep, near caused me to have a delightful finish.
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yep, near caused me to have a delightful finish.
:chuck
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The past month's goalkicking has been pretty ordinary despite three wins from the last four.
17.19 vs Bulldogs
17.17 vs Saints
8.18 vs Roos
6.17 vs Suns
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48.71
We can't afford to do this over the next 3 weeks against top 4 sides. We've got to make the most of our chances and especially set shots.
Too late for that.
These were the percentage building rounds.
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the last two games they used flooding
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Our kicking is crap hands down but our new AFL/rugby game will see the end of FF's kicking over a 100 goals per season and also of clean scoring.
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We need a Jack Gunston. Geez almighty if only we had a small forward capable of his conversion....
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We need a Jack Gunston. Geez almighty if only we had a small forward capable of his conversion....
Knights
Mcdount
King needs to go
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Thought King is actually pretty accurate in front of the sticks
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I wonder how many of these points have been rushed behinds and defensive bumblings created by our improved forward defensive pressure this year?
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I don't think he's a horrible player. Sure he's not Cyril Rioli but he's kicked 17 goals (2nd for Richmond). We don't want him to be our 2nd best forward but I feel he brings a ferocity to our forward line that is lacking when he's not there. He had a 4 goal haul against Geelong, and 3 against Port.
I feel the expendable forward would be Aaron Edwards. He's only kicked 3 goals from 5 matches (I won't include GCS as he was used as a defender). Bring in the beanstalk I say.
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Thought King is actually pretty accurate in front of the sticks
didnt he have one of the best conversion rates in the league, according to an article a few weeks ago?
deledio has stuck stunk it up pretty bad with his set shots recently, though.
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Deledio has always been a better shot on the run.
King's conversion rate is better than Jack's IMHO.
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Thought King is actually pretty accurate in front of the sticks
didnt he have one of the best conversion rates in the league, according to an article a few weeks ago?
deledio has stuck it up pretty bad with his set shots recently, though.
17.9 or something now. Always thought Deledio was a little shakey from set shots but outstanding on the run.
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yeah typo there, meant to be stunk it up.
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I feel both Deledio and Martin are exceptionally accurate on the run (and even +50m from goal) yet the set shots are a bit iffy. I wonder why.....
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Kingy was asked about our poor goalkicking on Radio Sports National yesterday ....
AUDIO: http://www.rsn.net.au/audioplayer/1373932425.mp3
* Our goalkicking has actually let us down enormously. All our forwards have had the opportunity to kick goals and, for some unknown reason, have just shanked them that little bit. Dimma sat us down and he really gave us no option, but to get our backsides into gear and make sure we start kicking it through the big sticks, otherwise he’ll find someone who will.
* We do goalkicking quite a bit at training, so I think it’s more of a mental thing these days.
* I’m going to try and put the goalkicking away for a week and just go out and enjoy training and enjoy the game. Hopefully, that will work.
* But we need to do something about it because, at the moment, whatever we’re doing to try and kick those goals isn’t working. Whether the boys need to go back and do the basics with their routine, or change up their routine, we need to do something because you need to make the most of your opportunities and kick the goals when you get the chance.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-07-17/tigers-take-aim-at-goal-target
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Kingy was asked about our poor goalkicking on Radio Sports National yesterday ....
AUDIO: http://www.rsn.net.au/audioplayer/1373932425.mp3
* Our goalkicking has actually let us down enormously. All our forwards have had the opportunity to kick goals and, for some unknown reason, have just shanked them that little bit. Dimma sat us down and he really gave us no option, but to get our backsides into gear and make sure we start kicking it through the big sticks, otherwise he’ll find someone who will.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-07-17/tigers-take-aim-at-goal-target
Who?
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your mum
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Maybe the forward coaches should introduce the Kennedy Shimmy
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2h7q5gz.gif)
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All season long it has been an issue
14.22 Carlton
14.15 & 17.17 St.Kilda
17.19 Dogs
15.16 Melbourne
Adding the last two weeks where we have kicked combined 14.35.
In nearly half our games we have wasted chanced to win by greater margins.
We were never in the hunt last week.
And all last year too >>
Rd 2 vs Coll 8.16
Rd 4 vs Geel 9.11
Rd 8 vs Ess 15.19
Rd 11 vs Freo 9.12
Rd 12 vs GWS 11.20
Rd 15 vs Melb 13.23
Rd 17 vs Nth 14.15
Rd 20 vs Ess 13.24
Big issue with the tiges. Will cost us badly one day.
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Maybe the forward coaches should introduce the Kennedy Shimmy
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2h7q5gz.gif)
:bow That gif was awesome!
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Our kicking is crap hands down but our new AFL/rugby game will see the end of FF's kicking over a 100 goals per season and also of clean scoring.
gotta agree.
geez when your small forwards have skills like king nahas white and s edwards your in a world of pain. imo s edwards is the best of the lot of em see ya later to the rest eh.
its been said ad nauseum we have to improve on these types who lack POLISH or remain mired in the middle of the ladder.
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We need a Jack Gunston. Geez almighty if only we had a small forward capable of his conversion....
gunston is a tall geez 193cm means if he can add size he will eventually play kpp. hes hawthorns much better version of a edwards
i love their forward set up
franklin roughead and gunston the leading third tall. with bruest rioli sniffing the packs and applying pressure. now theres some real quality and its what we need to aim at.
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We need a Jack Gunston. Geez almighty if only we had a small forward capable of his conversion....
gunston is a tall geez 193cm means if he can add size he will eventually play kpp. hes hawthorns much better version of a edwards
i love their forward set up
franklin roughead and gunston the leading third tall. with bruest rioli sniffing the packs and applying pressure. now theres some real quality and its what we need to aim at.
I stand corrected. I didn't realise he's so tall. My eyes are playing tricks on me (i'm partially blind) because he's 20kg lighter than Franklin. As their '3rd forward' I still dig his conversion. I just can't get over how accurate he is at set shots
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We need a Jack Gunston. Geez almighty if only we had a small forward capable of his conversion....
gunston is a tall geez 193cm means if he can add size he will eventually play kpp. hes hawthorns much better version of a edwards
i love their forward set up
franklin roughead and gunston the leading third tall. with bruest rioli sniffing the packs and applying pressure. now theres some real quality and its what we need to aim at.
I stand corrected. I didn't realise he's so tall. My eyes are playing tricks on me (i'm partially blind) because he's 20kg lighter than Franklin. As their '3rd forward' I still dig his conversion. I just can't get over how accurate he is at set shots
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for apologising for your short comings
Just not on thanks, please address in the future
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The thing with accurate goal kicker is, once you put them in a situation of constant pressure, over a career as such, they fold.
Who is the statistically most accurate forward in the games history?
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Well isn't that just a massive load of horse poo, ox. Someone should tell recruiters not to look for blokes who can kick. I think we've been doing that for 30 years anyway
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The thing with accurate goal kicker is, once you put them in a situation of constant pressure, over a career as such, they fold.
Who is the statistically most accurate forward in the games history?
Mark "Jacko" Jackson. :thumbsup
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I thought that we left an easy 5 out there today from our 12 behinds. We need to kick these to be a real contender! :thumbsup
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Dusty missed a few easy ones early on that could have made the day a little more comfortable.
Sometimes he should just put boot to ball instinctively rather than they to over analyse a situation and kick on the foot that is not favoured by that play at that given point. The one he missed in the square could be costly on another day.
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Dusty should have been at least 3.2, or better on a good day.
Had me pulling my hair out. Even King hasn't been accurate despite a good start to the season.
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Pet hate = losing games despite having more shots than the opposition and so called professional footballers missing so many gettable shots at goal :banghead.
Seven times hit the post :help.
Kicked 6.2 from inside 30 metres but 3.11 from outside this range.
:scream
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Poor set shots lost us the game. We beat them in every area accept this crucial one. Infuriating.
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agree.
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quote author=Yeahright
Poor kicking is poor football.
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but we were unlucky to lose
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Very, very poor. Obviously cost us the win and hopefully NOT finals :pray
Have to stop playing safe to the boundary line and having shots from the pockets/boundary.
That is low percentage football!
Griffiths, Martin, Cotchin missing from easier angles just kills the momentum.
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many of the misses had negligible angle, so thats not the issue.
if you notice how sides set up their defence and how often the ball is turned over when kicked long and central you understand why sides go to the pockets unless they have good offerings in the corridor.
was really noticeable against freo
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quote author=Yeahright
Poor kicking is poor football.
Exactly right, we deserved to lose but it would be interesting to know your take? Were we unlucky? You seemed to think we were lucky when we beat teams despite having more scoring shots so what does it mean now that it was us who kicked poorly?
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The Tigers are ranked 16th for goalkicking accuracy this season at 46.8 per cent (191.194).
Source: AFL website.
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In the current team who would you choose to kick for your life (yes extreme but just to highlight the issue)? Jack would I assume be most people's choice however our stocks of sharpshooters after him falls off dramatically (Lennon may have have shown a bit recently). In fact I would go as far as saying that apart from Titch and he is as we know missing from the side, we have no one player who would have any goalkicking skill above the range mediocre to average. The minute Jack is off with his kicking we basically have major issues converting from set shots. Can see why they over posess inside 50, we have to take a mark in the goal square just to ensure we can score.
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In the current team who would you choose to kick for your life (yes extreme but just to highlight the issue)? Jack would I assume be most people's choice however our stocks of sharpshooters after him falls off dramatically (Lennon may have have shown a bit recently). In fact I would go as far as saying that apart from Titch and he is as we know missing from the side, we have no one player who would have any goalkicking skill above the range mediocre to average. The minute Jack is off with his kicking we basically have major issues converting from set shots. Can see why they over posess inside 50, we have to take a mark in the goal square just to ensure we can score.
Lennon form mine
And from within the 40 metre range Maric, has a routine and never changes it
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Vickery when he is in form is usually a good set shot for goal.
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Vickery when he is in form is usually a good set shot for goal.
Yep fair call
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Our goalkicking accuracy has dropped from 4th best last year to 16th (3rd worst) this year.
From set shots this season, the Tigers accuracy is 55.0 per cent (ranked 18th).
http://www.afl.com.au/match-centre/2015/18/haw-v-rich#sthash.ElbKlDqc.dpuf
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-07-31/the-inquirer-drop-offs-and-turnarounds
:P
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Last week and again yesterday easy shots missed:
Costly misses in front of goal killed Richmond's momentum
After being dominated for much of the second quarter, the Tigers had chances to really close the margin heading into the main break. Not long after midfielder Kane Lambert dribbled a brilliant goal through from the boundary, Jack Riewoldt hit the post with Richmond on fire heading into half-time. Moments later, Josh Jenkins would goal down the other end. Daniel Rioli is only playing his second game and should eventually become a very good player, but he will rue a miss from 35m out under relatively little pressure.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-04-09/five-talking-points-richmond-v-adelaide
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They should all watch old footage of Jack Dyer,s technique on regards to the right way to hold the ball for the kick and the angle of the drop.
as well as the run up.
When Short missed the early goal he was holding the ball for a torpedo punt and running on an arc.( schoolyard stuff)