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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Stripes on October 21, 2013, 12:42:16 PM
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Which is it? What is the mainreason we have been so quiet during this free agency and trade period -
Is the reason because -
1) We are confident in the players we have on the list and in particular the youth. We are sure that our development coaches can enable them to reach their potential and we have the players at our club to fill all roles now, in the future and in case of injury
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1) we had no currency to trade, no ability to lure opposition players and no interest in landing a player we would have to pay overs for?
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We needed another mid and forward. Adams, Chappy and Hampson would've been ideal.
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We needed another mid and forward. Adams, Chappy and Hampson would've been ideal.
And then we realised there's a salary cap. >:(
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We needed another mid and forward. Adams, Chappy and Hampson would've been ideal.
And then we realised there's a salary cap. >:(
We should've delisted some spuds then
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We have very little to trade that has any currency and that we can live without.
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I don't even think we were interested at going hard, that's obvious and has been said, we only wanted Hampson by the look of it.
Think we should of thrown a few more names around, I hope certain people at the RFC are not delusional in thinking we have completed our team that will challenge for the cup. finals yes but we are still a few very good players away from the GF.
Must go harder next year and trade or get FA players into the side.
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We have very little to trade that has any currency and that we can live without.
Foley, Deledio
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We have very little to trade that has any currency and that we can live without.
hahahahaha
Foley, Grigg, Edwards are worth nothing? Yet Bernie Vince, Jesse White, Dawes are
Please.
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We have very little to trade that has any currency and that we can live without.
hahahahaha
Foley, Grigg, Edwards are worth nothing? Yet Bernie Vince, Jesse White, Dawes are
Please.
We should be looking to trade Grigg. That guy is poo
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We needed another mid and forward. Adams, Chappy and Hampson would've been ideal.
And then we realised there's a salary cap. >:(
We should've delisted some spuds then
We did. Doesn't justify paying Adams 100k a year more than Conca or paying Chapman 300k for 2 years.
I was on the Chapman bandwagon until then. Now we wait and see how McDonough goes and maybe bring in Nathan Gordon with a late pick whose ready-made.
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We have very little to trade that has any currency and that we can live without.
Foley, Deledio
I've been told Foley was shopped but clubs baulked. Apparently due to his contract. Where's Coach? ;D
We already lack a bit of pace and you think we can live without Lids?
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We needed another mid and forward. Adams, Chappy and Hampson would've been ideal.
And then we realised there's a salary cap. >:(
We should've delisted some spuds then
We did. Doesn't justify paying Adams 100k a year more than Conca or paying Chapman 300k for 2 years.
I was on the Chapman bandwagon until then. Now we wait and see how McDonough goes and maybe bring in Nathan Gordon with a late pick whose ready-made.
Unfortunately you have to pay the price to get a player with talent
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We have very little to trade that has any currency and that we can live without.
Foley, Deledio
I've been told Foley was shopped but clubs baulked. Apparently due to his contract. Where's Coach? ;D
We already lack a bit of pace and you think we can live without Lids?
Lids goes missing far too much and he's 27
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We've lost McGuane and White for nix , gained nothing ( well Hampson if you want to count him ) and now have only one decent pick in the national Draft.
That's a total fail for mine.
Collingwood on the other hand have shown us how it's done. They've let go an ageing , disruptive , ill disciplined player and an perma injured list clogger and have gained Jesse White , Taylor Adams and pick 6 and 10 in the draft.
We got pantsed !
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anyone that picked up jesse chat potato pantsed themselves dicey
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We needed another mid and forward. Adams, Chappy and Hampson would've been ideal.
And then we realised there's a salary cap. >:(
We should've delisted some spuds then
We did. Doesn't justify paying Adams 100k a year more than Conca or paying Chapman 300k for 2 years.
I was on the Chapman bandwagon until then. Now we wait and see how McDonough goes and maybe bring in Nathan Gordon with a late pick whose ready-made.
Unfortunately you have to pay the price to get a player with talent
That or you just draft your own like we have been. Players will stay at their club for unders. We pay overs for Adams and it's bye bye guys like Conca and Martin etc.
As for Lids going missing he still had a good year. And still in our top 4-5 players. Has plenty of good footy left and he's the VC of the club. We could always do a Melbourne and give away all our leaders as that's been a successful plan. :shh
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anyone that picked up jesse chat potato pantsed themselves dicey
:lol :clapping
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Both for me.
I have faith but I think this trade period has been a massive fail and we haven't chased another FA.
Salary cap should be fine. I'd be livid if we were about to hit the cap. Not enough superstars surely...
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Both for me.
I have faith but I think this trade period has been a massive fail and we haven't chased another FA.
Salary cap should be fine. I'd be livid if we were about to hit the cap. Not enough superstars surely...
We aren't near the cap. We're front loading because there wasn't anything we felt was worth it in FA. I was hoping for Chappy personally but at 300k/2yrs I can see why we baulked. Sylvia/Dal Santo aren't worth that coin who I also thought might be handy. Thomas as well is getting way overs despite being a good player and likewise Buddy. Xavier Ellis is the other one who is a waste of space. Better off to front load and get something a year later that we like rather than settling on something we aren't that happy with and maxing out our cap.
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anyone that picked up jesse chat potato pantsed themselves dicey
Yeh he aint much chop Gerks but then I reckon he's better than the Hampster.
Adams and two top 10 draft picks is a win for them.
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Jesse White toweled us up in Sydney. I look forward to him doing it again but in the black and white
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Skunks stink of desperation to me. Lot of changes to try and stay relevant but to be honest, I don't think Buckley has a stuffing clue how to drive. stuff em. Why be jealous of those turds, we finished above them and will again.
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Jesse White toweled us up in Sydney. I look forward to him doing it again but in the black and white
He played on Petterd. Hampson would kick 15 on petterd. Possibly the worst selection error of Dimma's career.
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He played on Petterd. Hampson would kick 15 on petterd. Possibly the worst selection error of Dimma's career.
lol , the only thing worse than picking him up was the fact that he was an automatic selection in Dimma's eyes.
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My views on this trade period I've sort of made known. As I have said before, it comes down to money and need. What do we need, and what do we have to spend? Keeping in mind that in the future, we will have to re-sign Vlastuin, Ellis etc.
It is obvious to me we have a few holes. I would love to see us pick up a small forward, and a third target as well as a young back-up ruckman. Keeping in mind our fiscal issues with the salary cap, we have only hit one of the three. For me that is understandable, though I would rather it be 3 from 3.
But there is some players on our list that can develop into that role. I feel like a broken record mentioning Griffiths, Elton and McBean, and even Chris Knights - but the reality of the situation is that they could all potentially fill that void.
The other thing that really needs to be stated is that at the end of the day, under Hardwick we have seen an increase in wins and development each year - culminating in our first Finals series in 13 years. I think when people start to throw up names like Deledio, Foley and Grigg (admittedly I am not against trading the last two if its the right deal) it sort of goes against the grain at what got us to where we are in the first place. It has once been said that the process of change is the hardest at the start and at the end. The middle (the longest part) is the easiest.
People are going to look at the Pies and say we got beaten there. And credit where credit is due, they have done extremely well in this trade period. The giving up pick 11 and pick 40 odd for pick 6 and Jesse White is fantastic. But again, they've lost Daisy Thomas (nearly a Norm Smith medal winner, and top 10 player in the AFL 2 years ago) and Heath Shaw. Two players who have been staples in previous premiership sides. That's to say nothing of Didak, Johnson, Jolly and Kracker. Have they gained more than they've lost - at least in the short term? That's really the question that needs to be answered for the Magpies off-season I believe.
I am disappointed we've lost Matty White. I think he's injection of pace has been crucial in critical moments this past season. Its also disappointing to see we haven't found a replacement for him at this stage. The player I would be targeting is Rohan from Sydney - though would be a hard sell I would have thought.
I am all for picking up Hampson, all for not overspending on Adams. Think they are smart moves, but that is not to say we could've and should've done better.
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Jesse White toweled us up in Sydney. I look forward to him doing it again but in the black and white
First "Collingwood are a class act", now this. You look forward to a Collingwood player kicking goals against Richmond. What an absolute disgrace. Mods, it is time to act.
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hahahahaha
Foley, Grigg, Edwards are worth nothing? Yet Bernie Vince, Jesse White, Dawes are
Please.
Basically, yes. Foley, Grigg and Edwards would get very little in the market and leave us with very little midfield depth, an area we are already lacking in.
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We've lost McGuane and White for nix , gained nothing ( well Hampson if you want to count him ) and now have only one decent pick in the national Draft.
That's a total fail for mine.
Collingwood on the other hand have shown us how it's done. They've let go an ageing , disruptive , ill disciplined player and an perma injured list clogger and have gained Jesse White , Taylor Adams and pick 6 and 10 in the draft.
We got pantsed !
Say what you want, but Jolly, Didak, Shaw and Thomas leaving the club meant that around $1.75 million was freed up in salary cap space. That has allowed them to do what they have done. We could never free so much from our salary cap without getting rid of our GOOD players and then what's the point of doing that?
We don't have guys at the age level of those Collingwood players that are on that coin. People say trade Grigg. If you think he's a spud then the chances are other teams will think the same so you wont be able to off load him to anyone for a decent draft pick. So you will be getting rid of him for pick 70+. How will that improve our list? Collingwood are still in discussions with GWS (I think) for Adams. What could we have offered them that they would have accepted to get him through a trade? Nothing I would suspect.
Move on from this please.
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Skunks stink of desperation to me. Lot of changes to try and stay relevant but to be honest, I don't think Buckley has a stuffing clue how to drive. stuff em. Why be jealous of those turds, we finished above them and will again.
Well Owl, Nate has overseen a club poised to enter a dynasty by winning the flag in 2010 and losing 2 games in the H&A season in 2011 before choking up a final series on the back of a power driven ego maniac who was determined to see Nate coach which drove a massive wedge in the player group and stuff up certain back to back flags.
Since then, theyhave finished 4th and then 6th since the prodigal son returned.
It is absolutely stuffing hilarious that people on this forum are actually in awe of him and Collingwood.
It has been a complete and absolute balls up and if they don't get back into a GF or at least Top 4 they will be burning down Lexus centre.
Get rid of Micky Malthouse will be a disaster and next year will be an acid test for that entire club.
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Think we should of thrown a few more names around, I hope certain people at the RFC are not delusional in thinking we have completed our team that will challenge for the cup. finals yes but we are still a few very good players away from the GF.
I think the plan is more or less complete to contest finals for the next couple of years.
I don't think the aim is to get the cup ATM, only to compete in finals.
Think the plan is to play finals at a minimum and see what happens with the younger players (McIntosh, McBean, McDonough, Elton, Arnot, Conca, Batchelor, Helbig, Griffith, Astbury, Dea).
I think at that stage we will look at what we need to go further and aim for the cup - possibly even new coaches, staff and players.
Think there will be on-going reviews of plans, recruiting, development, coaching and fitness (including medical) all next year to set up for the premiership tilt.
Think even the VFL team and it's development role needs to be settled in and made useful as well. (IIRC Geelong and Collingwood took a few years to get it right).
It more or less aligns with what you're saying WAT and is really baby steps and keeping the fans happy(ier) and sated to a degree while we build in stages.
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Which is it? What is the mainreason we have been so quiet during this free agency and trade period -
Is the reason because -
1) We are confident in the players we have on the list and in particular the youth. We are sure that our development coaches can enable them to reach their potential and we have the players at our club to fill all roles now, in the future and in case of injury
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2) we had no currency to trade, no ability to lure opposition players and no interest in landing a player we would have to pay overs for?
Both i would think
But I reckon the first part of point 2 is the main reason
Facts are the players on our list with real currency, that would get you a first round draft pick or 2nd rounder are the players we can not afford (at this stage) get rid of
Look at Vickery, if McBean (1st yr) or Elton (only 2nd yr) were ready or Griffiths (3rd yr ?? but too many injuries) had come on like you'd hoped then Vickery is a trade option for an early pick. But as it stands right now we really can't afford to trade him (though I'd trade him to GWS for pick 1 ;))
there's no way in hell you're going to trade Cotch, Lids, Martin, Conca, Ellis, Rance, Grimes, Reiwoldt, Vlaustin. These are the players on our list that have real currency for early picks
Go through our list and there aren't many who'd get you a 2nd rounder. Get you plenty of 3rd rounders but not second rounders
Right at the minute I'd love to see the club try and be daring in the remainder of this week, try and do some sort of deal that gets us back into the 2nd round but I cannot see it happening
To take it a step further I can actually see GWS being prepared to trade picks 1 or 2 for the right type of senior player(s). Would be great if our Club had the guts to do that sort of deal. I know they wont :-\ but I wish they would ;D
I am glad however, that have refused to pay overs for Adams. Dont like the idea of bringing in a kid who's been in the system 2 yrs and paying them more than the kids we've bought in developed and have stayed loyal
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If history has taught us anything it is a fools paradise in making the finals and topping up with a few experienced types like Paul Hudson, simon fletcher types. But ooh nook there are plenty around here that will convince us otherwise that some bum that couldn't get a kick in a Bart Cummings stable will somehow be the prodigal son.
No that is Not the answer. We will let fj go to work and add to our warehouse of talent another 5 or 6 of some of the country's best youngsters. That's is the way to premiership glory. Not clogging our list with no good bums. :clapping
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After the past few years of recruiting for need rather than name I have built high expectations that Blair Hartley would wave his magic wand every year. This year we couldn't seem to secure any player during the free agency period. I'm not certain why this is - I have my suspicions - but I am not definite.
Our list is growing in strength. We have, what seems to be, a lot of young talent which are finally developing. My fear though is that we are over-rating our young players as we have done (I have at least) in the past. I worry that we are not making the hard decisions like Collingwood and St Kilda has, and making suring up the future.
All in all, realistically, I know we are still paying for the sins of the past and the failures of our lack of success. We are still building and have no players of any talent in the older age bracket or of a 'type' who we have in surplus. Until that occurs we have to keep growing our own and trust in the foundations we are establishing on and off the field.
%#&^@ me to see Collingwood do so well during this period. I'm sick of their sustained success and was looking for to some lean Pie years.
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I hear ya Stripes
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Hampson > Jesse White
Pettard/hardwixk :banghead
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Daniel Jackson for pick #2
Oh sorry best plater at fichmond :cheers
Which is it? What is the mainreason we have been so quiet during this free agency and trade period -
Is the reason because -
1) We are confident in the players we have on the list and in particular the youth. We are sure that our development coaches can enable them to reach their potential and we have the players at our club to fill all roles now, in the future and in case of injury
or
2) we had no currency to trade, no ability to lure opposition players and no interest in landing a player we would have to pay overs for?
Both i would think
But I reckon the first part of point 2 is the main reason
Facts are the players on our list with real currency, that would get you a first round draft pick or 2nd rounder are the players we can not afford (at this stage) get rid of
Look at Vickery, if McBean (1st yr) or Elton (only 2nd yr) were ready or Griffiths (3rd yr ?? but too many injuries) had come on like you'd hoped then Vickery is a trade option for an early pick. But as it stands right now we really can't afford to trade him (though I'd trade him to GWS for pick 1 ;))
there's no way in hell you're going to trade Cotch, Lids, Martin, Conca, Ellis, Rance, Grimes, Reiwoldt, Vlaustin. These are the players on our list that have real currency for early picks
Go through our list and there aren't many who'd get you a 2nd rounder. Get you plenty of 3rd rounders but not second rounders
Right at the minute I'd love to see the club try and be daring in the remainder of this week, try and do some sort of deal that gets us back into the 2nd round but I cannot see it happening
To take it a step further I can actually see GWS being prepared to trade picks 1 or 2 for the right type of senior player(s). Would be great if our Club had the guts to do that sort of deal. I know they wont :-\ but I wish they would ;D
I am glad however, that have refused to pay overs for Adams. Dont like the idea of bringing in a kid who's been in the system 2 yrs and paying them more than the kids we've bought in developed and have stayed loyal
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After the past few years of recruiting for need rather than name I have built high expectations that Blair Hartley would wave his magic wand every year. This year we couldn't seem to secure any player during the free agency period. I'm not certain why this is - I have my suspicions - but I am not definite.
Our list is growing in strength. We have, what seems to be, a lot of young talent which are finally developing. My fear though is that we are over-rating our young players as we have done (I have at least) in the past. I worry that we are not making the hard decisions like Collingwood and St Kilda has, and making suring up the future.
All in all, realistically, I know we are still paying for the sins of the past and the failures of our lack of success. We are still building and have no players of any talent in the older age bracket or of a 'type' who we have in surplus. Until that occurs we have to keep growing our own and trust in the foundations we are establishing on and off the field.
%#&^@ me to see Collingwood do so well during this period. I'm sick of their sustained success and was looking for to some lean Pie years.
Collingwood and st kinda both co.ming down from successful periods
We are in a different situation. Not sure if you can compare
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Collingwood and st kinda both co.ming down from successful periods
We are in a different situation. Not sure if you can compare
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Yes you're right but Collingwood never seems to slide down too far do they. Perhaps in years to come we won't either :pray
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Jesse White toweled us up in Sydney. I look forward to him doing it again but in the black and white
First "Collingwood are a class act", now this. You look forward to a Collingwood player kicking goals against Richmond. What an absolute disgrace. Mods, it is time to act.
Collingwang Groupie
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We demand action for the dignity of the forum! poo I spat coffee on the computer screen as I wrote that lol
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Jesse White toweled us up in Sydney. I look forward to him doing it again but in the black and white
First "Collingwood are a class act", now this. You look forward to a Collingwood player kicking goals against Richmond. What an absolute disgrace. Mods, it is time to act.
Collingwang Groupie
:clapping
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We needed another mid and forward. Adams, Chappy and Hampson would've been ideal.
And then we realised there's a salary cap. >:(
We should've delisted some spuds then
We did. Doesn't justify paying Adams 100k a year more than Conca or paying Chapman 300k for 2 years.
I was on the Chapman bandwagon until then. Now we wait and see how McDonough goes and maybe bring in Nathan Gordon with a late pick whose ready-made.
so how much is conca getting. 300k, adams would be worth every bit of 400k a yr a blind man can see he will be some sort of player. a better player than conca.
how the hell chapman is not worth 300k a yr is beyond me. its just on the afl average. for a player of his quality and performance its cheap. if salary cap is the reason we could not go for these players we are doing it wrong.
the simple fact is there are so many poor performers on our list we should not be having salary cap issues.
the whole idea of paying martin less than he wanted was to allow us to have sufficient f/a and trade room to target players exactly like adams and chapman.
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so how much is conca getting. 300k, adams would be worth every bit of 400k a yr a blind man can see he will be some sort of player. a better player than conca.
how the hell chapman is not worth 300k a yr is beyond me. its just on the afl average. for a player of his quality and performance its cheap. if salary cap is the reason we could not go for these players we are doing it wrong.
the simple fact is there are so many poor performers on our list we should not be having salary cap issues.
the whole idea of paying martin less than he wanted was to allow us to have sufficient f/a and trade room to target players exactly like adams and chapman.
True but probably not a great idea to pay Adams 400k in the same year we payed unders on Martin and Conca. Mute point anyway considering we did not have the currency to satisfy GWS regardless.
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the whole idea of paying martin less than he wanted was to allow us to have sufficient f/a and trade room to target players exactly like adams and chapman.
No it wasn't. The whole idea of paying Martin less than what he wanted was because we only wanted to pay him what he was worth (a figure that was publicly proven to be spot on over the few weeks of Carr madness) and that was completely in line with our current stated policy of not paying overs for anyone, regardless of who they are and where they come from, a policy has been put in place to allow us to keep our young stars as they develop and to have a crack at someone worthwhile in FA if/when that someone comes along. They obviously thought that Adams @ $400k and Chapman @ $300k fell outside that criteria and FWIW I agree with them. I'm very very very happy that we have a management team in charge of our list who have a long term plan, and a willingness and capacity to stick to that plan, rather than let the emotional input of a coach on the cusp ruin it all with a year or two of shoddy list decisions.
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. I'm very very very happy that we have a management team in charge of our list
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I certainly hops u right
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the whole idea of paying martin less than he wanted was to allow us to have sufficient f/a and trade room to target players exactly like adams and chapman.
No it wasn't. The whole idea of paying Martin less than what he wanted was because we only wanted to pay him what he was worth (a figure that was publicly proven to be spot on over the few weeks of Carr madness) and that was completely in line with our current stated policy of not paying overs for anyone, regardless of who they are and where they come from, a policy has been put in place to allow us to keep our young stars as they develop and to have a crack at someone worthwhile in FA if/when that someone comes along.
Exactly, nothing like rewriting the history points to make your point
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Collingwood and st kinda both co.ming down from successful periods
We are in a different situation. Not sure if you can compare
Yes you're right but Collingwood never seems to slide down too far do they. Perhaps in years to come we won't either :pray
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When you turn over 70 million+ a year its not that hard to outspend other clubs. Benny Gale is on the right track, more members = more corporate dollars = more and better coaches, doctors, recruiters the lot = win more often.
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We demand action for the dignity of the forum! poo I spat coffee on the computer screen as I wrote that lol
Jesse White toweled us up in Sydney. I look forward to him doing it again but in the black and white
First "Collingwood are a class act", now this. You look forward to a Collingwood player kicking goals against Richmond. What an absolute disgrace. Mods, it is time to act.
Collingwang Groupie
:clapping
Which is it? What is the mainreason we have been so quiet during this free agency and trade period -
Is the reason because -
1) We are confident in the players we have on the list and in particular the youth. We are sure that our development coaches can enable them to reach their potential and we have the players at our club to fill all roles now, in the future and in case of injury
or
2) we had no currency to trade, no ability to lure opposition players and no interest in landing a player we would have to pay overs for?
Both i would think
But I reckon the first part of point 2 is the main reason
Facts are the players on our list with real currency, that would get you a first round draft pick or 2nd rounder are the players we can not afford (at this stage) get rid of
Look at Vickery, if McBean (1st yr) or Elton (only 2nd yr) were ready or Griffiths (3rd yr ?? but too many injuries) had come on like you'd hoped then Vickery is a trade option for an early pick. But as it stands right now we really can't afford to trade him (though I'd trade him to GWS for pick 1 ;))
there's no way in hell you're going to trade Cotch, Lids, Martin, Conca, Ellis, Rance, Grimes, Reiwoldt, Vlaustin. These are the players on our list that have real currency for early picks
Go through our list and there aren't many who'd get you a 2nd rounder. Get you plenty of 3rd rounders but not second rounders
Right at the minute I'd love to see the club try and be daring in the remainder of this week, try and do some sort of deal that gets us back into the 2nd round but I cannot see it happening
To take it a step further I can actually see GWS being prepared to trade picks 1 or 2 for the right type of senior player(s). Would be great if our Club had the guts to do that sort of deal. I know they wont :-\ but I wish they would ;D
I am glad however, that have refused to pay overs for Adams. Dont like the idea of bringing in a kid who's been in the system 2 yrs and paying them more than the kids we've bought in developed and have stayed loyal
I'd trade Foley for a second rounder, preferably inside the top 20. I think he is good but aging and a potential injury risk, sell him while he has currency.
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so how much is conca getting. 300k, adams would be worth every bit of 400k a yr a blind man can see he will be some sort of player. a better player than conca.
how the hell chapman is not worth 300k a yr is beyond me. its just on the afl average. for a player of his quality and performance its cheap. if salary cap is the reason we could not go for these players we are doing it wrong.
the simple fact is there are so many poor performers on our list we should not be having salary cap issues.
the whole idea of paying martin less than he wanted was to allow us to have sufficient f/a and trade room to target players exactly like adams and chapman.
True but probably not a great idea to pay Adams 400k in the same year we payed unders on Martin and Conca. Mute point anyway considering we did not have the currency to satisfy GWS regardless.
Would think the biggest "mute point" in the whole thing was the kid didn't want to come to the RFC. He made that clear, very clear
What's the point in even considering him when he said he wanted to go somewhere else
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so how much is conca getting. 300k, adams would be worth every bit of 400k a yr a blind man can see he will be some sort of player. a better player than conca.
how the hell chapman is not worth 300k a yr is beyond me. its just on the afl average. for a player of his quality and performance its cheap. if salary cap is the reason we could not go for these players we are doing it wrong.
the simple fact is there are so many poor performers on our list we should not be having salary cap issues.
the whole idea of paying martin less than he wanted was to allow us to have sufficient f/a and trade room to target players exactly like adams and chapman.
True but probably not a great idea to pay Adams 400k in the same year we payed unders on Martin and Conca. Mute point anyway considering we did not have the currency to satisfy GWS regardless.
Would think the biggest "mute point" in the whole thing was the kid didn't want to come to the RFC. He made that clear, very clear
What's the point in even considering him when he said he wanted to go somewhere else
Exactly right WP. And I think thats a point that hasn't been discussed. Buddy, Adams, now Karnezis, Dal Santo, Longer, Polec, Yeo etc have all nominated clubs to go to. It's hard to get involved heavily in trading when thats the case.
Call me crazy, but I also do not believe that Adams is any better than Conca. Not saying he is worse, just don't believe he is any better. Other than Greene and Adams, I don't think there are any genuine inside mids for GWS. If Adams had been drafted by RFC, I'm not 100% sure we would be talking about him in the same vain.
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Adams would have come to Richmond but he was equally impressed with Collingwood & Geelong. The deciding factors for him in the end were the additional wage he would earn and the capabilities of those two clubs on rewarding GWS with players/picks that we could not. I think it wasn't that Collingwood was a far superior club which attracted him but rather the extra money and, probably most importantly, the fact they could get a deal done.
All things being equal I feel he would have come to us but I am glad we did not compromise our Salary Cap regardless. We are now thinking Big Picture and to the future which is as positive a sign that I have seen come out of the club as any other indicator over the last few decades. Stick to a formula to cater for success Tigers! :thumbsup
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We demand action for the dignity of the forum! poo I spat coffee on the computer screen as I wrote that lol
Jesse White toweled us up in Sydney. I look forward to him doing it again but in the black and white
First "Collingwood are a class act", now this. You look forward to a Collingwood player kicking goals against Richmond. What an absolute disgrace. Mods, it is time to act.
Collingwang Groupie
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Which is it? What is the mainreason we have been so quiet during this free agency and trade period -
Is the reason because -
1) We are confident in the players we have on the list and in particular the youth. We are sure that our development coaches can enable them to reach their potential and we have the players at our club to fill all roles now, in the future and in case of injury
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2) we had no currency to trade, no ability to lure opposition players and no interest in landing a player we would have to pay overs for?
Both i would think
But I reckon the first part of point 2 is the main reason
Facts are the players on our list with real currency, that would get you a first round draft pick or 2nd rounder are the players we can not afford (at this stage) get rid of
Look at Vickery, if McBean (1st yr) or Elton (only 2nd yr) were ready or Griffiths (3rd yr ?? but too many injuries) had come on like you'd hoped then Vickery is a trade option for an early pick. But as it stands right now we really can't afford to trade him (though I'd trade him to GWS for pick 1 ;))
there's no way in hell you're going to trade Cotch, Lids, Martin, Conca, Ellis, Rance, Grimes, Reiwoldt, Vlaustin. These are the players on our list that have real currency for early picks
Go through our list and there aren't many who'd get you a 2nd rounder. Get you plenty of 3rd rounders but not second rounders
Right at the minute I'd love to see the club try and be daring in the remainder of this week, try and do some sort of deal that gets us back into the 2nd round but I cannot see it happening
To take it a step further I can actually see GWS being prepared to trade picks 1 or 2 for the right type of senior player(s). Would be great if our Club had the guts to do that sort of deal. I know they wont :-\ but I wish they would ;D
I am glad however, that have refused to pay overs for Adams. Dont like the idea of bringing in a kid who's been in the system 2 yrs and paying them more than the kids we've bought in developed and have stayed loyal
I'd trade Foley for a second rounder, preferably inside the top 20. I think he is good but aging and a potential injury risk, sell him while he has currency.
I dont think Foley has any currency atm. He will at the end of 2014 as he'll go into the season fully prepped and will have a much bwtter year. That will be the time to trade him for adequate compensation
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haha Foley doesnt have any currency yet bernie vince and hampson do
come on man
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Call me crazy, but I also do not believe that Adams is any better than Conca. Not saying he is worse, just don't believe he is any better. Other than Greene and Adams, I don't think there are any genuine inside mids for GWS. If Adams had been drafted by RFC, I'm not 100% sure we would be talking about him in the same vain.
Jobba don't forget Shiel and Treloar. Shiel is one of those rare Midfielders that can play both inside and outside very well. Because of this, I rate him as a better player than Adams. If there is any way we can snare him, I will be doing cartwheels!! Then we have Treloar. Didn't have a great 2013 but still averaged 24 disposals per game. I also rate him better than Adams purely based on temperament. Nothing fazes this kid and he is just as tough as Adams but without the short fuse.
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haha Foley doesnt have any currency yet bernie vince and hampson do
come on man
chronic injuries will do that. With his history we wouldn't get a top 30 pick. If u think clubs would then youre deluded.
Give him a year to consolidate and hell be worth a trade bc his best is a lot better than the 2 u mentioned. Why sell stock at its lowest point?
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i raise you Daisy Thomas, injured for 2 yrs, Hampson and that spud Vince who plays injured most of the time, he is that useless.
il give him a year to drop in value even more like what we did with Nahas and doing with Ritchie Edwards
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None of their injuries are as chronic as foleys has been. His vaue is as low as it gets - its been 4 years and miltiple debilitating breakdowns. Dont know why u think clubs r that stupid? He needs to prove his body isnt shot for him to gain any currency.
His form in the first 12 rounds of 2010 was pretty awesome, that came off a full preseason, if he does that again in 2014 without a breakdown we'll be able to get something for him. If not - well we havent lost out bc
he aint worth poo atm.
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Call me crazy, but I also do not believe that Adams is any better than Conca. Not saying he is worse, just don't believe he is any better. Other than Greene and Adams, I don't think there are any genuine inside mids for GWS. If Adams had been drafted by RFC, I'm not 100% sure we would be talking about him in the same vain.
Jobba don't forget Shiel and Treloar. Shiel is one of those rare Midfielders that can play both inside and outside very well. Because of this, I rate him as a better player than Adams. If there is any way we can snare him, I will be doing cartwheels!! Then we have Treloar. Didn't have a great 2013 but still averaged 24 disposals per game. I also rate him better than Adams purely based on temperament. Nothing fazes this kid and he is just as tough as Adams but without the short fuse.
I'd argue that Shiel is a 'genuine' inside midfielder. Think he has the potential to be the elite level midfielder of both inside and out, but think he has a while to go inside. Will get there though, and will be a gun. Treloar on the hand, your point was well made.
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the whole idea of paying martin less than he wanted was to allow us to have sufficient f/a and trade room to target players exactly like adams and chapman.
No it wasn't. The whole idea of paying Martin less than what he wanted was because we only wanted to pay him what he was worth (a figure that was publicly proven to be spot on over the few weeks of Carr madness) and that was completely in line with our current stated policy of not paying overs for anyone, regardless of who they are and where they come from, a policy has been put in place to allow us to keep our young stars as they develop and to have a crack at someone worthwhile in FA if/when that someone comes along. They obviously thought that Adams @ $400k and Chapman @ $300k fell outside that criteria and FWIW I agree with them. I'm very very very happy that we have a management team in charge of our list who have a long term plan, and a willingness and capacity to stick to that plan, rather than let the emotional input of a coach on the cusp ruin it all with a year or two of shoddy list decisions.
pppffftttt. not if you have listened to the club. they bickered over 50odd k. and in the process stated they have their model to go by but also wanted to make sure they could target players in f/a and trades.
so we paid martin what we wanted so why is our salary cap still so tight that we cant offer quality players what they are worth.
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Adams would have come to Richmond but he was equally impressed with Collingwood & Geelong. The deciding factors for him in the end were the additional wage he would earn and the capabilities of those two clubs on rewarding GWS with players/picks that we could not. I think it wasn't that Collingwood was a far superior club which attracted him but rather the extra money and, probably most importantly, the fact they could get a deal done.
All things being equal I feel he would have come to us but I am glad we did not compromise our Salary Cap regardless. We are now thinking Big Picture and to the future which is as positive a sign that I have seen come out of the club as any other indicator over the last few decades. Stick to a formula to cater for success Tigers! :thumbsup
Why do people keep saying we had nothing to offer GWS? Pick 11 if I remember correctly! We had the perfect opportunity when discussions stalled with Collingwood to swoop in and take him if we had the balls.
Adams is better than those kids that will be left at pick 12 from what I have seen from their highlight clips.
Doesn't really mater now but to say he wouldn't come to Tigerland or we had nothing to get the deal done is a load of crap.
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very true BT. They speak like they know first hand who will take what or what our salary cap is. Facts are no one knows SFA including everyone on this site.
Al thinks the blues wouldnt have accepted our second pick but has yet to tell me how he knows this, or others that Hawthorn was preparing to take Angus hence why we had to move quick(the last one was the funniest thing ive heard in a while-cant remember who from) As if Hampson is a rare commodity
anyways we are locked and loaded for a flag tilt it seems.
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lmao, carlton did accept our second pick, so why would i say that they wouldnt.
:lol.
do you want to show where i said that?
bet you cant!
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Grammatical error
Third I meant
U seem to think you know this that but facts are you know SFA as I do
It's all opinion and in mine I believe the club should have offered third and in the end they would've accepted judged on what we have seen transpired with other sun standard players
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yet i never said that i do. all i did was question you when you made out like you did know.
now somehow, in your arse stuffed way of thinking, that means I have said that carlton wouldnt have accepted our 3rd rnd pick, but no where did i say that, did I?
as you say no one knows what they would have or would not have accepted, but that never stopped you from going on as if you knew that they would have accepted our 3rd round pick and then using subjective deranged logic try to justify yourself.
You know, i used to think that the persona of a backwards 15 year old struggling in a remedial class for 12 year olds was something you just put on.
It appears i was wrong
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Oh come on!
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the whole idea of paying martin less than he wanted was to allow us to have sufficient f/a and trade room to target players exactly like adams and chapman.
No it wasn't. The whole idea of paying Martin less than what he wanted was because we only wanted to pay him what he was worth (a figure that was publicly proven to be spot on over the few weeks of Carr madness) and that was completely in line with our current stated policy of not paying overs for anyone, regardless of who they are and where they come from, a policy has been put in place to allow us to keep our young stars as they develop and to have a crack at someone worthwhile in FA if/when that someone comes along. They obviously thought that Adams @ $400k and Chapman @ $300k fell outside that criteria and FWIW I agree with them. I'm very very very happy that we have a management team in charge of our list who have a long term plan, and a willingness and capacity to stick to that plan, rather than let the emotional input of a coach on the cusp ruin it all with a year or two of shoddy list decisions.
pppffftttt. not if you have listened to the club. they bickered over 50odd k. and in the process stated they have their model to go by but also wanted to make sure they could target players in f/a and trades.
so we paid martin what we wanted so why is our salary cap still so tight that we cant offer quality players what they are worth.
We did offer what they were worth. Other clubs offered more. We move on. See if we can get one next year and the year after whilst retaining all the young kids like Ellis, Vlastuin, McBean etc.
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pppffftttt. not if you have listened to the club. they bickered over 50odd k. and in the process stated they have their model to go by but also wanted to make sure they could target players in f/a and trades.
so we paid martin what we wanted so why is our salary cap still so tight that we cant offer quality players what they are worth.
They didn't bicker over anything Claw. The club offered Martin a figure very close to $500k and apart from a small increase to the original offer early on before Carr took Dusty to the open market, the club didn't budge. Dusty wanted much closer to $100k more and the club didn't move after publicly telling Dusty they wouldn't - there was no bickering but there was a lot of postulating from Carr about what Dusty was really worth. Turns out Carr was dead wrong and the club was dead right so why in anyone's name should the club have acted any differently? And you keep saying we have no salary cap room but the club have never ever ever said that - it's only ever come from the media who would have no more idea than you or I. What the club have said however, on a number of occasions is that they were managing the list and salary cap with a view to being able to keep our young stars and take advantage of FA when it came in but now when the club has not been interested in any FA players at the prices offered they are suddenly viewed as being incompetent or wrong, just because they didn't sate the knee-jerk desires of some of the emotionally invested supporter base in grabbing at each and every FA player to come to the marketplace. If we had followed your line of thinking then we would have caved in to Conca and Martin, and in the process removed about $150k+ of salary cap room to move in - room that could prove critical next year when we are closer to a realistic tilt and when the right type of FA player for us might be available. Thank F we have cool heads with a plan and a model in charge of things at the club is all I can say.
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pppffftttt. not if you have listened to the club. they bickered over 50odd k. and in the process stated they have their model to go by but also wanted to make sure they could target players in f/a and trades.
so we paid martin what we wanted so why is our salary cap still so tight that we cant offer quality players what they are worth.
What the club have said however, on a number of occasions is that they were managing the list and salary cap with a view to being able to keep our young stars and take advantage of FA when it came in but now when the club has not been interested in any FA players at the prices offered.
who has said anywhere they are against the model put in place. i too applauded the stance on martin.
the point being made is we negotiated martins deal with the idea that we can manage our kids incomes as they improve and still have enough for f/a and trades.
the simple fact is we badly wanted adams but were not able to pay him just over the afl average why is that.adams is worth 400k a yr even more.
if anyone thinks paul chapman is not worth a paltry 300k a yr for a season or two they are kidding themselves. ive heard all sorts of reasons why we should not have looked at chapman and all of them are nonsense.
the very fact we stuck to our model and paid martin and conca what we did should have meant we had salary cap room to target a much sought after kid like adams. all i keep hearing is they couldnt pay him what his worth was on the open market. you are never going to get quality f/a into your club if you pay em peanuts.
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i personally was hoping we were going to trade out martin. he'll leave anyway at the end of his next contract I reckon.
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i expect him to od long before then
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i expect him to od long before then
He is on a two year deal. How long is long before the end of that contract?:lol
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Adams would have come to Richmond but he was equally impressed with Collingwood & Geelong. The deciding factors for him in the end were the additional wage he would earn and the capabilities of those two clubs on rewarding GWS with players/picks that we could not. I think it wasn't that Collingwood was a far superior club which attracted him but rather the extra money and, probably most importantly, the fact they could get a deal done.
All things being equal I feel he would have come to us but I am glad we did not compromise our Salary Cap regardless. We are now thinking Big Picture and to the future which is as positive a sign that I have seen come out of the club as any other indicator over the last few decades. Stick to a formula to cater for success Tigers! :thumbsup
Why do people keep saying we had nothing to offer GWS? Pick 11 if I remember correctly! We had the perfect opportunity when discussions stalled with Collingwood to swoop in and take him if we had the balls.
Adams is better than those kids that will be left at pick 12 from what I have seen from their highlight clips.
Doesn't really mater now but to say he wouldn't come to Tigerland or we had nothing to get the deal done is a load of crap.
Collingwood were willing to offer GWS their first pick but what GWS really wanted ( and went on record stating such) was experience and leadership. Shaw satisfied this. Coupled with the higher pay check, we had nothing to offer that would beat that.
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Skunks stink of desperation to me. Lot of changes to try and stay relevant but to be honest, I don't think Buckley has a stuffing clue how to drive. stuff em. Why be jealous of those turds, we finished above them and will again.
Well Owl, Nate has overseen a club poised to enter a dynasty by winning the flag in 2010 and losing 2 games in the H&A season in 2011 before choking up a final series on the back of a power driven ego maniac who was determined to see Nate coach which drove a massive wedge in the player group and stuff up certain back to back flags.
Since then, theyhave finished 4th and then 6th since the prodigal son returned.
It is absolutely stuffing hilarious that people on this forum are actually in awe of him and Collingwood.
It has been a complete and absolute balls up and if they don't get back into a GF or at least Top 4 they will be burning down Lexus centre.
Get rid of Micky Malthouse will be a disaster and next year will be an acid test for that entire club.
i think what collingwood have done is similar to what they did in 04 and 05. after finishing 02 and 03 just short they had a mini rebuild.
seems to me they have taken an approach to invigorate the list with as many quality picks as they can without having to go to the bottom of the table to do it. last yr 18, 19 20, this yr adams 6 and 10. all this while they have the core of their premiership side still there. the only difference is they bottomed out a bit in 04 05 this time around they finished 8th.
the only players of significance they have lost in two yrs are
tarrant 32yo retired. they have him covered.
dawes 24yo traded for picks 20 and 47 lol. geez only an ave player at best so far.
wellingham 24yo for 18, go home factor. good compensation for him.
shaw age 28 for adams. id take adams every day of the week. he will be a beauty.
thomas 26yo f/a pick 10. pick 10 as compensation it was decent but thomas at his best is worth much more.
jolly 32yo delisted. they have witts and grundy with mature backup from hudson.
the only real losses wellingham and thomas at least they got reasonable compensation for them.
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Adams would have come to Richmond but he was equally impressed with Collingwood & Geelong. The deciding factors for him in the end were the additional wage he would earn and the capabilities of those two clubs on rewarding GWS with players/picks that we could not. I think it wasn't that Collingwood was a far superior club which attracted him but rather the extra money and, probably most importantly, the fact they could get a deal done.
All things being equal I feel he would have come to us but I am glad we did not compromise our Salary Cap regardless. We are now thinking Big Picture and to the future which is as positive a sign that I have seen come out of the club as any other indicator over the last few decades. Stick to a formula to cater for success Tigers! :thumbsup
Why do people keep saying we had nothing to offer GWS? Pick 11 if I remember correctly! We had the perfect opportunity when discussions stalled with Collingwood to swoop in and take him if we had the balls.
Adams is better than those kids that will be left at pick 12 from what I have seen from their highlight clips.
Doesn't really mater now but to say he wouldn't come to Tigerland or we had nothing to get the deal done is a load of crap.
Collingwood were willing to offer GWS their first pick but what GWS really wanted ( and went on record stating such) was experience and leadership. Shaw satisfied this. Coupled with the higher pay check, we had nothing to offer that would beat that.
Stripes I used to consider you one of the more sensible posters on here but if you believe we couldn't have got a trade done to secure Adams if we really wanted him, than I was wrong. Whether you think we would have paid overs with our pick 11 and Edwards, I'm pretty sure that would have got it done.
GWS said they wanted experienced players but they also traded to get pick 2, so this just shows, if you put a decent proportion in front of them they would do whatever was best for their club. And that includes trading Adams to us in stead of Collingwood if we had the minerals to offer them something decent.
And just on paying Adams what everyone thinks he would be paid is easy too. You loose Edwards contract of IMO 250 to 300k and find another 100k odd. Not all that hard.
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Stripes I used to consider you one of the more sensible posters on here but if you believe we couldn't have got a trade done to secure Adams if we really wanted him, than I was wrong. Whether you think we would have paid overs with our pick 11 and Edwards, I'm pretty sure that would have got it done.
How the hell would you know whether we would have got it done or not? Are you an employee of the club? How do you know Stripes was wrong? What do you base your statement on?
GWS said they wanted experienced players but they also traded to get pick 2, so this just shows, if you put a decent proportion in front of them they would do whatever was best for their club. And that includes trading Adams to us in stead of Collingwood if we had the minerals to offer them something decent.
Really? What do you base that on? How do you know what they would do? Are you a part of that club? And how do you know what we would be prepared to do. Are you a freakin legend that is part of both clubs?
And just on paying Adams what everyone thinks he would be paid is easy too. You loose Edwards contract of IMO 250 to 300k and find another 100k odd. Not all that hard.
Oh, f me, you must be part of the administrative inner sanctum of our club and know exactly what Shane Edwards contract is worth. Not sure that Shane's management would appreciate you spilling the beans to the uneducated and unwashed but I'm sure your intentions are pure.
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lol
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Skunks stink of desperation to me. Lot of changes to try and stay relevant but to be honest, I don't think Buckley has a stuffing clue how to drive. stuff em. Why be jealous of those turds, we finished above them and will again.
Well Owl, Nate has overseen a club poised to enter a dynasty by winning the flag in 2010 and losing 2 games in the H&A season in 2011 before choking up a final series on the back of a power driven ego maniac who was determined to see Nate coach which drove a massive wedge in the player group and stuff up certain back to back flags.
Since then, theyhave finished 4th and then 6th since the prodigal son returned.
It is absolutely stuffing hilarious that people on this forum are actually in awe of him and Collingwood.
It has been a complete and absolute balls up and if they don't get back into a GF or at least Top 4 they will be burning down Lexus centre.
Get rid of Micky Malthouse will be a disaster and next year will be an acid test for that entire club.
i think what collingwood have done is similar to what they did in 04 and 05. after finishing 02 and 03 just short they had a mini rebuild.
seems to me they have taken an approach to invigorate the list with as many quality picks as they can without having to go to the bottom of the table to do it. last yr 18, 19 20, this yr adams 6 and 10. all this while they have the core of their premiership side still there. the only difference is they bottomed out a bit in 04 05 this time around they finished 8th.
the only players of significance they have lost in two yrs are
tarrant 32yo retired. they have him covered.
dawes 24yo traded for picks 20 and 47 lol. geez only an ave player at best so far.
wellingham 24yo for 18, go home factor. good compensation for him.
shaw age 28 for adams. id take adams every day of the week. he will be a beauty.
thomas 26yo f/a pick 10. pick 10 as compensation it was decent but thomas at his best is worth much more.
jolly 32yo delisted. they have witts and grundy with mature backup from hudson.
the only real losses wellingham and thomas at least they got reasonable compensation for them.
apart from dawes, they were all a strong part of their premiership side and have and will struggle to cover tham. dawes is average but they haven't been the same since his form went downhill and then subsequently left. Classic case of a player playing to a role. Was a great foil for Cloke, once he dropped his bundle their fwd line has never looked as potent.
They're a quality club and will always be thereabouts but fact is they were on the cusp of a dynasty a couple of yrs ago and stuffed it up royally
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Spot on TM. They were scary good in 2010. List was very young too. Leigh Brown leaving stuffed that club up. Forced Dawes to play a bit in the ruck which he was crap at, lost confidence and then Cloke lost confidence and it all went t@s up.
They are definitely going through a mini-rebuild, which may see them go back up in the future but they should never have been in this position with one flag to show for it. That list was primed for 3-4 flags IMO
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Stripes I used to consider you one of the more sensible posters on here but if you believe we couldn't have got a trade done to secure Adams if we really wanted him, than I was wrong. Whether you think we would have paid overs with our pick 11 and Edwards, I'm pretty sure that would have got it done.
How the hell would you know whether we would have got it done or not? Are you an employee of the club? How do you know Stripes was wrong? What do you base your statement on?
GWS said they wanted experienced players but they also traded to get pick 2, so this just shows, if you put a decent proportion in front of them they would do whatever was best for their club. And that includes trading Adams to us in stead of Collingwood if we had the minerals to offer them something decent.
Really? What do you base that on? How do you know what they would do? Are you a part of that club? And how do you know what we would be prepared to do. Are you a freakin legend that is part of both clubs?
And just on paying Adams what everyone thinks he would be paid is easy too. You loose Edwards contract of IMO 250 to 300k and find another 100k odd. Not all that hard.
Oh, f me, you must be part of the administrative inner sanctum of our club and know exactly what Shane Edwards contract is worth. Not sure that Shane's management would appreciate you spilling the beans to the uneducated and unwashed but I'm sure your intentions are pure.
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I read your other post and thought fair enough but writing this crap makes you look like a petulant kid. Grow up man
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Stripes I used to consider you one of the more sensible posters on here but if you believe we couldn't have got a trade done to secure Adams if we really wanted him, than I was wrong. Whether you think we would have paid overs with our pick 11 and Edwards, I'm pretty sure that would have got it done.
GWS said they wanted experienced players but they also traded to get pick 2, so this just shows, if you put a decent proportion in front of them they would do whatever was best for their club. And that includes trading Adams to us in stead of Collingwood if we had the minerals to offer them something decent.
And just on paying Adams what everyone thinks he would be paid is easy too. You loose Edwards contract of IMO 250 to 300k and find another 100k odd. Not all that hard.
sorry to disappoint you big tone but I don't believe the deal could have been done without us paying spending overs to GWS and Adams. We wanted him no doubt but no if it meant deviating from the payment strategy we have employed (and Geelong used so successful for almost a decade). We are establishing a base for future success which makes retaining existing talent the fundamental rule. Paying $400k+ for Adams at 20 yrs of aged would have proved problematic for his future contracts ( ala Dusty) and cause descention with the other players who have bought into the strategy.
Additionally we did not have the currency that we were willing to part with to get Adams. We would have parted with pick 11 but not an experienced player and the pick. That would not have strengthened our list but rather create a level swap or even loss (depending of the development of Adams & pick 11).
All in all we were not going to gain enough from the trade and may have even come away with a loss to the list if we offered too much. So we could have traded for Adams sure, but not at any cost.
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Stripes I used to consider you one of the more sensible posters on here but if you believe we couldn't have got a trade done to secure Adams if we really wanted him, than I was wrong. Whether you think we would have paid overs with our pick 11 and Edwards, I'm pretty sure that would have got it done.
How the hell would you know whether we would have got it done or not? Are you an employee of the club? How do you know Stripes was wrong? What do you base your statement on?
GWS said they wanted experienced players but they also traded to get pick 2, so this just shows, if you put a decent proportion in front of them they would do whatever was best for their club. And that includes trading Adams to us in stead of Collingwood if we had the minerals to offer them something decent.
Really? What do you base that on? How do you know what they would do? Are you a part of that club? And how do you know what we would be prepared to do. Are you a freakin legend that is part of both clubs?
And just on paying Adams what everyone thinks he would be paid is easy too. You loose Edwards contract of IMO 250 to 300k and find another 100k odd. Not all that hard.
Oh, f me, you must be part of the administrative inner sanctum of our club and know exactly what Shane Edwards contract is worth. Not sure that Shane's management would appreciate you spilling the beans to the uneducated and unwashed but I'm sure your intentions are pure.
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I read your other post and thought fair enough but writing this crap makes you look like a petulant kid. Grow up man
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Pretty much what I thought when I read your first post. :thumbsup