Faith in our development or poor trading?

[WilliamPowell]

Which is it? What is the mainreason we have been so quiet during this free agency and trade period -

Is the reason because -

1) We are confident in the players we have on the list and in particular the youth. We are sure that our development coaches can enable them to reach their potential and we have the players at our club to fill all roles now, in the future and in case of injury

or

2) we had no currency to trade, no ability to lure opposition players and no interest in landing a player we would have to pay overs for?

Both i would think

But I reckon the first part of point 2 is the main reason

Facts are the players on our list with real currency, that would get you a first round draft pick or 2nd rounder are the players we can not afford (at this stage) get rid of

Look at Vickery, if McBean (1st yr) or Elton (only 2nd yr) were ready or Griffiths (3rd yr ?? but too many injuries) had come on like you'd hoped then Vickery is a trade option for an early pick. But as it stands right now we really can't afford to trade him (though I'd trade him to GWS for pick 1  )

there's no way in hell you're going to trade Cotch, Lids, Martin, Conca, Ellis, Rance, Grimes, Reiwoldt, Vlaustin. These are the players on our list that have real currency for early picks

Go through our list and there aren't many who'd get you a 2nd rounder. Get you plenty of 3rd rounders but not second rounders

Right at the minute I'd love to see the club try and be daring in the remainder of this week, try and do some sort of deal that gets us back into the 2nd round but I cannot see it happening

To take it a step further I can actually see GWS being prepared to trade picks 1 or 2 for the right type of senior player(s). Would be great if our Club had the guts to do that sort of deal. I know they wont  but I wish they would 

I am glad however, that have refused to pay overs for Adams. Dont like the idea of bringing in a kid who's been in the system 2 yrs and paying them more than the kids we've bought in developed and have stayed loyal

[bojangles17]

If history has taught us anything it is a fools paradise in making the finals and topping up with a few experienced types like Paul Hudson, simon fletcher types. But ooh nook there are plenty around here that will convince us otherwise that some bum that couldn't get a kick in a Bart Cummings stable will somehow be the prodigal son.

No that is Not the answer. We will let fj go to work and add to our warehouse of talent another 5 or 6 of some of the country's best youngsters. That's is the way to premiership glory. Not clogging our list with no good bums. 

[Stripes]

After the past few years of recruiting for need rather than name I have built high expectations that Blair Hartley would wave his magic wand every year. This year we couldn't seem to secure any player during the free agency period. I'm not certain why this is - I have my suspicions - but I am not definite.

Our list is growing in strength. We have, what seems to be, a lot of young talent which are finally developing. My fear though is that we are over-rating our young players as we have done (I have at least) in the past. I worry that we are not making the hard decisions like Collingwood and St Kilda has, and making suring up the future.

All in all, realistically, I know we are still paying for the sins of the past and the failures of our lack of success. We are still building and have no players of any talent in the older age bracket or of a 'type' who we have in surplus. Until that occurs we have to keep growing our own and trust in the foundations we are establishing on and off the field.

%#&^@ me to see Collingwood do so well during this period. I'm sick of their sustained success and was looking for to some lean Pie years.

[Owl]

I hear ya Stripes

[Judge Roughneck]

Hampson > Jesse White

Pettard/hardwixk

[Judge Roughneck]

Daniel Jackson for pick #2

Oh sorry best plater at fichmond

Which is it? What is the mainreason we have been so quiet during this free agency and trade period -

Is the reason because -

1) We are confident in the players we have on the list and in particular the youth. We are sure that our development coaches can enable them to reach their potential and we have the players at our club to fill all roles now, in the future and in case of injury

or

2) we had no currency to trade, no ability to lure opposition players and no interest in landing a player we would have to pay overs for?

Both i would think

But I reckon the first part of point 2 is the main reason

Facts are the players on our list with real currency, that would get you a first round draft pick or 2nd rounder are the players we can not afford (at this stage) get rid of

Look at Vickery, if McBean (1st yr) or Elton (only 2nd yr) were ready or Griffiths (3rd yr ?? but too many injuries) had come on like you'd hoped then Vickery is a trade option for an early pick. But as it stands right now we really can't afford to trade him (though I'd trade him to GWS for pick 1  )

there's no way in hell you're going to trade Cotch, Lids, Martin, Conca, Ellis, Rance, Grimes, Reiwoldt, Vlaustin. These are the players on our list that have real currency for early picks

Go through our list and there aren't many who'd get you a 2nd rounder. Get you plenty of 3rd rounders but not second rounders

Right at the minute I'd love to see the club try and be daring in the remainder of this week, try and do some sort of deal that gets us back into the 2nd round but I cannot see it happening

To take it a step further I can actually see GWS being prepared to trade picks 1 or 2 for the right type of senior player(s). Would be great if our Club had the guts to do that sort of deal. I know they wont  but I wish they would 

I am glad however, that have refused to pay overs for Adams. Dont like the idea of bringing in a kid who's been in the system 2 yrs and paying them more than the kids we've bought in developed and have stayed loyal

[Judge Roughneck]

After the past few years of recruiting for need rather than name I have built high expectations that Blair Hartley would wave his magic wand every year. This year we couldn't seem to secure any player during the free agency period. I'm not certain why this is - I have my suspicions - but I am not definite.

Our list is growing in strength. We have, what seems to be, a lot of young talent which are finally developing. My fear though is that we are over-rating our young players as we have done (I have at least) in the past. I worry that we are not making the hard decisions like Collingwood and St Kilda has, and making suring up the future.

All in all, realistically, I know we are still paying for the sins of the past and the failures of our lack of success. We are still building and have no players of any talent in the older age bracket or of a 'type' who we have in surplus. Until that occurs we have to keep growing our own and trust in the foundations we are establishing on and off the field.

%#&^@ me to see Collingwood do so well during this period. I'm sick of their sustained success and was looking for to some lean Pie years.

Collingwood and st kinda both co.ming down from successful periods

We are in a different situation. Not sure if you can compare

[Stripes]

Collingwood and st kinda both co.ming down from successful periods

We are in a different situation. Not sure if you can compare
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Yes you're right but Collingwood never seems to slide down too far do they. Perhaps in years to come we won't either 

[gerkin greg]

Jesse White toweled us up in Sydney. I look forward to him doing it again but in the black and white

First "Collingwood are a class act", now this. You look forward to a Collingwood player kicking goals against Richmond. What an absolute disgrace. Mods, it is time to act.

Collingwang Groupie

[Owl]

We demand action for the dignity of the forum!  poo I spat coffee on the computer screen as I wrote that lol

[tigs2011]

Jesse White toweled us up in Sydney. I look forward to him doing it again but in the black and white

First "Collingwood are a class act", now this. You look forward to a Collingwood player kicking goals against Richmond. What an absolute disgrace. Mods, it is time to act.

Collingwang Groupie

[the claw]

We needed another mid and forward. Adams, Chappy and Hampson would've been ideal.

And then we realised there's a salary cap. 

We should've delisted some spuds then

We did. Doesn't justify paying Adams 100k a year more than Conca or paying Chapman 300k for 2 years.

I was on the Chapman bandwagon until then. Now we wait and see how McDonough goes and maybe bring in Nathan Gordon with a late pick whose ready-made.

so how much is conca getting. 300k, adams would be worth every bit of 400k a yr a blind man can see he will be some sort of player. a better player than conca.

how the hell chapman is not worth 300k a yr is beyond me. its just on the afl average. for a player of his quality and performance its cheap. if salary cap is the reason we could not go for these players we are doing it wrong.
the simple fact is there are so many poor performers on our list we should not be having salary cap issues.

 the whole idea of paying martin less than he wanted was to allow us to have sufficient f/a and trade room  to target players exactly like adams and chapman.

[Stripes]

so how much is conca getting. 300k, adams would be worth every bit of 400k a yr a blind man can see he will be some sort of player. a better player than conca.

how the hell chapman is not worth 300k a yr is beyond me. its just on the afl average. for a player of his quality and performance its cheap. if salary cap is the reason we could not go for these players we are doing it wrong.
the simple fact is there are so many poor performers on our list we should not be having salary cap issues.

 the whole idea of paying martin less than he wanted was to allow us to have sufficient f/a and trade room  to target players exactly like adams and chapman.

True but probably not a great idea to pay Adams 400k in the same year we payed unders on Martin and Conca. Mute point anyway considering we did not have the currency to satisfy GWS regardless.

[Smokey]

 the whole idea of paying martin less than he wanted was to allow us to have sufficient f/a and trade room  to target players exactly like adams and chapman.

No it wasn't.  The whole idea of paying Martin less than what he wanted was because we only wanted to pay him what he was worth (a figure that was publicly proven to be spot on over the few weeks of Carr madness) and that was completely in line with our current stated policy of not paying overs for anyone, regardless of who they are and where they come from, a policy has been put in place to allow us to keep our young stars as they develop and to have a crack at someone worthwhile in FA if/when that someone comes along.  They obviously thought that Adams @ $400k and Chapman @ $300k fell outside that criteria and FWIW I agree with them.  I'm very very very happy that we have a management team in charge of our list who have a long term plan, and a willingness and capacity to stick to that plan, rather than let the emotional input of a coach on the cusp ruin it all with a year or two of shoddy list decisions.

[Judge Roughneck]

.  I'm very very very happy that we have a management team in charge of our list
 

I certainly hops u right