Author Topic: Faith in our development or poor trading?  (Read 7488 times)

Offline Smokey

  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 9279
Re: Faith in our development or poor trading?
« Reply #75 on: October 26, 2013, 09:59:24 PM »

Stripes I used to consider you one of the more sensible posters on here but if you believe we couldn't have got a trade done to secure Adams if we really wanted him, than I was wrong. Whether you think we would have paid overs with our pick 11 and Edwards, I'm pretty sure that would have got it done.


How the hell would you know whether we would have got it done or not?  Are you an employee of the club?  How do you know Stripes was wrong?  What do you base your statement on?

Quote

GWS said they wanted experienced players but they also traded to get pick 2, so this just shows, if you put a decent proportion in front of them they would do whatever was best for their club. And that includes trading Adams to us in stead of Collingwood if we had the minerals to offer them something decent.


Really?  What do you base that on?  How do you know what they would do?  Are you a part of that club?  And how do you know what we would be prepared to do.  Are you a freakin legend that is part of both clubs?

Quote
And just on paying Adams what everyone thinks he would be paid is easy too. You loose Edwards contract of IMO 250 to 300k and find another 100k odd. Not all that hard.

Oh, f me, you must be part of the administrative inner sanctum of our club and know exactly what Shane Edwards contract is worth.  Not sure that Shane's management would appreciate you spilling the beans to the uneducated and unwashed but I'm sure your intentions are pure.

 :thumbsup

Offline Penelope

  • Internet nuffer and sooky jellyfish
  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 12777
Re: Faith in our development or poor trading?
« Reply #76 on: October 26, 2013, 10:16:40 PM »
lol
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways my ways,” says the Lord.
 
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are my ways higher than your ways,
And my thoughts than your thoughts."

Yahweh? or the great Clawski?

yaw rehto eht dellorcs ti fi daer ot reisae eb dluow tI

tony_montana

  • Guest
Re: Faith in our development or poor trading?
« Reply #77 on: October 26, 2013, 10:30:34 PM »
Skunks stink of desperation to me.  Lot of changes to try and stay relevant but to be honest, I don't think Buckley has a stuffing clue how to drive.  stuff em.  Why be jealous of those turds, we finished above them and will again.

Well Owl, Nate has overseen a club poised to enter a dynasty by winning the flag in 2010 and losing 2 games in the H&A season in 2011 before choking up a final series on the back of a power driven ego maniac who was determined to see Nate coach which drove a massive wedge in the player group and stuff up certain back to back flags.
Since then, theyhave finished 4th and then 6th since the prodigal son returned.
It is absolutely stuffing hilarious that people on this forum are actually in awe of him and Collingwood.
It has been a complete and absolute balls up and if they don't get back into a GF or at least Top 4 they will be burning down Lexus centre.
Get rid of Micky Malthouse will be a disaster and next year will be an acid test for that entire club.
i think what collingwood have done is similar to what they did in 04 and 05.  after finishing 02 and 03 just short they had a mini rebuild.
seems to me they have taken an approach to invigorate the list with as many quality picks as they can without having to go to the bottom of the table to do it. last yr 18, 19 20, this yr adams 6 and 10. all this while they have the core of their premiership side still there. the only difference is they bottomed out a bit in 04 05 this time around they finished 8th.

the only players of significance they have lost  in two yrs are
tarrant 32yo retired. they have him covered.
dawes 24yo   traded for picks 20 and 47 lol. geez only an ave player at best so far.
wellingham 24yo  for 18, go home factor. good compensation for him.
shaw age 28 for adams. id take adams every day of the week. he will be a beauty.
thomas 26yo f/a pick 10. pick 10 as compensation it was decent but thomas at his best is worth much more.
jolly 32yo delisted. they have witts and grundy with mature backup from hudson.

the only real losses wellingham and thomas at least they got reasonable compensation for them.

apart from dawes, they were all a strong part of their premiership side and have and will struggle to cover tham. dawes is average but they haven't been the same since his form went downhill and then subsequently left. Classic case of a player playing to a role. Was a great foil for Cloke, once he dropped his bundle their fwd line has never looked as potent.

They're a quality club and will always be thereabouts but fact is they were on the cusp of a dynasty a couple of yrs ago and stuffed it up royally

Offline tigs2011

  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 5517
Re: Faith in our development or poor trading?
« Reply #78 on: October 27, 2013, 01:06:21 AM »
Spot on TM. They were scary good in 2010. List was very young too. Leigh Brown leaving stuffed that club up. Forced Dawes to play a bit in the ruck which he was crap at, lost confidence and then Cloke lost confidence and it all went t@s up.

They are definitely going through a mini-rebuild, which may see them go back up in the future but they should never have been in this position with one flag to show for it. That list was primed for 3-4 flags IMO

Offline big tone

  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 4404
Re: Faith in our development or poor trading?
« Reply #79 on: October 27, 2013, 10:05:35 AM »

Stripes I used to consider you one of the more sensible posters on here but if you believe we couldn't have got a trade done to secure Adams if we really wanted him, than I was wrong. Whether you think we would have paid overs with our pick 11 and Edwards, I'm pretty sure that would have got it done.


How the hell would you know whether we would have got it done or not?  Are you an employee of the club?  How do you know Stripes was wrong?  What do you base your statement on?

Quote

GWS said they wanted experienced players but they also traded to get pick 2, so this just shows, if you put a decent proportion in front of them they would do whatever was best for their club. And that includes trading Adams to us in stead of Collingwood if we had the minerals to offer them something decent.


Really?  What do you base that on?  How do you know what they would do?  Are you a part of that club?  And how do you know what we would be prepared to do.  Are you a freakin legend that is part of both clubs?

Quote
And just on paying Adams what everyone thinks he would be paid is easy too. You loose Edwards contract of IMO 250 to 300k and find another 100k odd. Not all that hard.

Oh, f me, you must be part of the administrative inner sanctum of our club and know exactly what Shane Edwards contract is worth.  Not sure that Shane's management would appreciate you spilling the beans to the uneducated and unwashed but I'm sure your intentions are pure.

 :thumbsup
I read your other post and thought fair enough but writing this crap makes you look like a petulant kid. Grow up man

 :thumbsup

Offline Stripes

  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 4264
Re: Faith in our development or poor trading?
« Reply #80 on: October 27, 2013, 10:27:03 AM »
Stripes I used to consider you one of the more sensible posters on here but if you believe we couldn't have got a trade done to secure Adams if we really wanted him, than I was wrong. Whether you think we would have paid overs with our pick 11 and Edwards, I'm pretty sure that would have got it done.
GWS said they wanted experienced players but they also traded to get pick 2, so this just shows, if you put a decent proportion in front of them they would do whatever was best for their club. And that includes trading Adams to us in stead of Collingwood if we had the minerals to offer them something decent.
And just on paying Adams what everyone thinks he would be paid is easy too. You loose Edwards contract of IMO 250 to 300k and find another 100k odd. Not all that hard.

sorry to disappoint you big tone but I don't believe the deal could have been done without us paying spending overs to GWS and Adams. We wanted him no doubt but no if it meant deviating from the payment strategy we have employed (and Geelong used so successful for almost a decade). We are establishing a base for future success which makes retaining existing talent the fundamental rule. Paying $400k+ for Adams at 20 yrs of aged would have proved problematic for his future contracts ( ala Dusty) and cause descention with the other players who have bought into the strategy.

Additionally we did not have the currency that we were willing to part with to get Adams. We would have parted with pick 11 but not an experienced player and the pick. That would not have strengthened our list but rather create a level swap or even loss (depending of the development of Adams & pick 11).

All in all we were not going to gain enough from the trade and may have even come away with a loss to the list if we offered too much. So we could have traded for Adams sure, but not at any cost.

Offline Smokey

  • RFC Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 9279
Re: Faith in our development or poor trading?
« Reply #81 on: October 27, 2013, 10:29:57 AM »

Stripes I used to consider you one of the more sensible posters on here but if you believe we couldn't have got a trade done to secure Adams if we really wanted him, than I was wrong. Whether you think we would have paid overs with our pick 11 and Edwards, I'm pretty sure that would have got it done.


How the hell would you know whether we would have got it done or not?  Are you an employee of the club?  How do you know Stripes was wrong?  What do you base your statement on?

Quote

GWS said they wanted experienced players but they also traded to get pick 2, so this just shows, if you put a decent proportion in front of them they would do whatever was best for their club. And that includes trading Adams to us in stead of Collingwood if we had the minerals to offer them something decent.


Really?  What do you base that on?  How do you know what they would do?  Are you a part of that club?  And how do you know what we would be prepared to do.  Are you a freakin legend that is part of both clubs?

Quote
And just on paying Adams what everyone thinks he would be paid is easy too. You loose Edwards contract of IMO 250 to 300k and find another 100k odd. Not all that hard.

Oh, f me, you must be part of the administrative inner sanctum of our club and know exactly what Shane Edwards contract is worth.  Not sure that Shane's management would appreciate you spilling the beans to the uneducated and unwashed but I'm sure your intentions are pure.

 :thumbsup
I read your other post and thought fair enough but writing this crap makes you look like a petulant kid. Grow up man

 :thumbsup

Pretty much what I thought when I read your first post.   :thumbsup