Faith in our development or poor trading?

[tigs2011]

We needed another mid and forward. Adams, Chappy and Hampson would've been ideal.

And then we realised there's a salary cap. 

We should've delisted some spuds then

We did. Doesn't justify paying Adams 100k a year more than Conca or paying Chapman 300k for 2 years.

I was on the Chapman bandwagon until then. Now we wait and see how McDonough goes and maybe bring in Nathan Gordon with a late pick whose ready-made.

Unfortunately you have to pay the price to get a player with talent

That or you just draft your own like we have been. Players will stay at their club for unders. We pay overs for Adams and it's bye bye guys like Conca and Martin etc.

As for Lids going missing he still had a good year. And still in our top 4-5 players. Has plenty of good footy left and he's the VC of the club. We could always do a Melbourne and give away all our leaders as that's been a successful plan. 

[tigs2011]

anyone that picked up jesse chat potato pantsed themselves dicey

[Andyy]

Both for me.

I have faith but I think this trade period has been a massive fail and we haven't chased another FA.

Salary cap should be fine. I'd be livid if we were about to hit the cap. Not enough superstars surely...

[tigs2011]

Both for me.

I have faith but I think this trade period has been a massive fail and we haven't chased another FA.

Salary cap should be fine. I'd be livid if we were about to hit the cap. Not enough superstars surely...

We aren't near the cap. We're front loading because there wasn't anything we felt was worth it in FA. I was hoping for Chappy personally but at 300k/2yrs I can see why we baulked. Sylvia/Dal Santo aren't worth that coin who I also thought might be handy. Thomas as well is getting way overs despite being a good player and likewise Buddy. Xavier Ellis is the other one who is a waste of space. Better off to front load and get something a year later that we like rather than settling on something we aren't that happy with and maxing out our cap.

[Dice]

anyone that picked up jesse chat potato pantsed themselves dicey

Yeh he aint much chop Gerks but then I reckon he's better than the Hampster.
Adams and two top 10 draft picks is a win for them.

[Phil Mrakov]

Jesse White toweled us up in Sydney. I look forward to him doing it again but in the black and white

[Owl]

Skunks stink of desperation to me.  Lot of changes to try and stay relevant but to be honest, I don't think Buckley has a stuffing clue how to drive.  stuff em.  Why be jealous of those turds, we finished above them and will again.

[tigs2011]

Jesse White toweled us up in Sydney. I look forward to him doing it again but in the black and white

He played on Petterd. Hampson would kick 15 on petterd. Possibly the worst selection error of Dimma's career.

[Dice]

He played on Petterd. Hampson would kick 15 on petterd. Possibly the worst selection error of Dimma's career.

lol , the only thing worse than picking him up was the fact that he was an automatic selection in Dimma's eyes.

[Jobba]

My views on this trade period I've sort of made known. As I have said before, it comes down to money and need. What do we need, and what do we have to spend? Keeping in mind that in the future, we will have to re-sign Vlastuin, Ellis etc.

It is obvious to me we have a few holes. I would love to see us pick up a small forward, and a third target as well as a young back-up ruckman. Keeping in mind our fiscal issues with the salary cap, we have only hit one of the three. For me that is understandable, though I would rather it be 3 from 3.

But there is some players on our list that can develop into that role. I feel like a broken record mentioning Griffiths, Elton and McBean, and even Chris Knights - but the reality of the situation is that they could all potentially fill that void.

The other thing that really needs to be stated is that at the end of the day, under Hardwick we have seen an increase in wins and development each year - culminating in our first Finals series in 13 years. I think when people start to throw up names like Deledio, Foley and Grigg (admittedly I am not against trading the last two if its the right deal) it sort of goes against the grain at what got us to where we are in the first place. It has once been said that the process of change is the hardest at the start and at the end. The middle (the longest part) is the easiest.

People are going to look at the Pies and say we got beaten there. And credit where credit is due, they have done extremely well in this trade period. The giving up pick 11 and pick 40 odd for pick 6 and Jesse White is fantastic. But again, they've lost Daisy Thomas (nearly a Norm Smith medal winner, and top 10 player in the AFL 2 years ago) and Heath Shaw. Two players who have been staples in previous premiership sides. That's to say nothing of Didak, Johnson, Jolly and Kracker. Have they gained more than they've lost - at least in the short term? That's really the question that needs to be answered for the Magpies off-season I believe.

I am disappointed we've lost Matty White. I think he's injection of pace has been crucial in critical moments this past season. Its also disappointing to see we haven't found a replacement for him at this stage. The player I would be targeting is Rohan from Sydney - though would be a hard sell I would have thought.

I am all for picking up Hampson, all for not overspending on Adams. Think they are smart moves, but that is not to say we could've and should've done better.

[Coach]

Jesse White toweled us up in Sydney. I look forward to him doing it again but in the black and white

First "Collingwood are a class act", now this. You look forward to a Collingwood player kicking goals against Richmond. What an absolute disgrace. Mods, it is time to act.

[jezza]

hahahahaha

Foley, Grigg, Edwards are worth nothing? Yet Bernie Vince, Jesse White, Dawes are

Please.

Basically, yes. Foley, Grigg and Edwards would get very little in the market and leave us with very little midfield depth, an area we are already lacking in.

[YellowandBlackBlood]

We've lost McGuane and White for nix , gained nothing  ( well Hampson if you want to count him ) and now have only one decent pick in the national Draft.
That's a total fail for mine.

Collingwood on the other hand have shown us how it's done. They've let go an ageing , disruptive , ill disciplined player and an perma injured list clogger and have gained Jesse White , Taylor Adams and pick 6 and 10 in the draft.

We got pantsed !

Say what you want, but Jolly, Didak, Shaw and Thomas leaving the club meant that around $1.75 million was freed up in salary cap space.  That has allowed them to do what they have done.  We could never free so much from our salary cap without getting rid of our GOOD players and then what's the point of doing that?
We don't have guys at the age level of those Collingwood players that are on that coin.  People say trade Grigg.  If you think he's a spud then the chances are other teams will think the same so you wont be able to off load him to anyone for a decent draft pick.  So you will be getting rid of him for pick 70+.  How will that improve our list?  Collingwood are still in discussions with GWS (I think) for Adams.  What could we have offered them that they would have accepted to get him through a trade? Nothing I would suspect.

Move on from this please.

[yellowandback]

Skunks stink of desperation to me.  Lot of changes to try and stay relevant but to be honest, I don't think Buckley has a stuffing clue how to drive.  stuff em.  Why be jealous of those turds, we finished above them and will again.

Well Owl, Nate has overseen a club poised to enter a dynasty by winning the flag in 2010 and losing 2 games in the H&A season in 2011 before choking up a final series on the back of a power driven ego maniac who was determined to see Nate coach which drove a massive wedge in the player group and stuff up certain back to back flags.
Since then, theyhave finished 4th and then 6th since the prodigal son returned.
It is absolutely stuffing hilarious that people on this forum are actually in awe of him and Collingwood.
It has been a complete and absolute balls up and if they don't get back into a GF or at least Top 4 they will be burning down Lexus centre.
Get rid of Micky Malthouse will be a disaster and next year will be an acid test for that entire club.

[RedanTiger]

Think we should of thrown a few more names around, I hope certain people at the RFC are not delusional in thinking we have completed our team that will challenge for the cup. finals yes but we are still a few very good players away from the GF.

I think the plan is more or less complete to contest finals for the next couple of years.
I don't think the aim is to get the cup ATM, only to compete in finals.
Think the plan is to play finals at a minimum and see what happens with the younger players (McIntosh, McBean, McDonough, Elton, Arnot, Conca, Batchelor, Helbig, Griffith, Astbury, Dea).
I think at that stage we will look at what we need to go further and aim for the cup - possibly even new coaches, staff and players.
Think there will be on-going reviews of plans, recruiting, development, coaching and fitness (including medical) all next year to set up for the premiership tilt.
Think even the VFL team and it's development role needs to be settled in and made useful as well. (IIRC Geelong and Collingwood took a few years to get it right).
It more or less aligns with what you're saying WAT and is really baby steps and keeping the fans happy(ier) and sated to a degree while we build in stages.