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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on February 26, 2014, 12:35:41 AM
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Tigers set to re-sign Tyrone Vickery
Jon Ralph, Jay Clark
From: Herald Sun
February 26, 2014
RICHMOND is set to secure another of its first-round draft picks to a new deal with key forward Tyrone Vickery on the verge of committing to a contract extension.
The Tigers will be thrilled to secure Vickery, as clubs increasingly turn their attention to out-of-contract youngsters such as Taylor Adams, who joined Collingwood from Greater Western Sydney.
The Tigers will soon announce a deal of as many as three years with emerging 23-year-old Vickery, after securing Dustin Martin, Jack Riewoldt, Nick Vlastuin, Brandon Ellis and Trent Cotchin in the past year.
Vickery becomes even more important to the Tigers after No.1 ruckman Ivan Maric had ankle surgery on Monday. Vickery will have to help out in the ruck as well as aiming to improve on his 27 goals last season.
Read more at: http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/tigers-set-to-resign-tyrone-vickery/story-fndv8t7m-1226837651360
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Hmmm, I remember us signing a "promising" key defender at roughly the same age a few years ago. He spent a decent chunk of that time in the 2's before being de-listed.
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Good move. TV looks set to explode.
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What a coup :clapping
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Very good move this!!
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And look to resign for another 3 after that.
He will be an absolute asset.
:thumbsup :cheers :thumbsup good on ya Dimma.
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has done nothing to warrant a three yr extension. i reckon hes almost in a make or break yr and would not be doing anything till seasons end. one yr extension two at most if they must go down that path.
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FFS Claw. He gives me the poos sometimes too but a one year extension? Really? He's our second best key forward by an absolute mile, he'd be entitled to tell us to get stuffed if we waited until the end of the season and then said "here's a one year deal champ".
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Would give him five years based on potential
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Locking him up for 3 years also takes away his ability to leave for nothing :rollin
Seriously, actually thought he was good on Saturday, best he's played in a while TBH.
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Great news. Only a stuff head would have something negative to say :thumbsup
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Great news. Only a stuff head would have something negative to say :thumbsup
There's no need for that. Claw is allowed to have a different view. Be a bit boring if we all had the exact same opinion.
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There's no need for that. Claw is allowed to have a different view. Be a bit boring if we all had the exact same opinion.
:lol
I hear ya Coach.
Big year coming up for Ty. Needs to repay the faith now.
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What do we give Ty as a pass mark this year if he's playing as a perma foward ?
50 goals minimum I'd say
Your on drugs son, if Cotch is kicking between 44 - 88 then Ty needs between 88 - 176
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OMG. I find myself agreeing with claw!
Although he shows potential to be an elite forward he is not an elite forward. His ground play has been average. He doesn't take anywhere near enough pack marks for his height. I would've thought the next contract would have been the long one if he has a year that lives up to his potential.
The guy has been given an armchair ride with gifted games. Given the same ride I would have thought Griffiths would have been ahead of Vickery by now as I see him as the more talented of the two.
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What do we give Ty as a pass mark this year if he's playing as a perma foward ?
50 goals minimum I'd say
Your on drugs son, if Cotch is kicking between 44 - 88 then Ty needs between 88 - 176
And if Ty is doing that then Riewoldt needs to kick between 176-352
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Riewoldt needs to kick between 176-352
:lol
Minimum requirement. It's in his contract.
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Snip & Edits :banghead
Everyone knows the drill keep the issues you have with other forums off OER
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Snip & Edits :banghead
Everyone knows the drill keep the issues you have with other forums off OER
Yeah its a bit like an episode of MKR. Lots of sniping and lots of chopping. ;D
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Snip & Edits :banghead
Everyone knows the drill keep the issues you have with other forums off OER
I was tempted but I know how much it peees you off.
:lol
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pretty shrewd move by the tigers with Dawes signed for 500k and clark at 750k, averaging 1 g a game that values TV at around 900k on open market...well done RFC.....again :clapping
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Snip & Edits :banghead
Everyone knows the drill keep the issues you have with other forums off OER
Yeah its a bit like an episode of MKR. Lots of sniping and lots of chopping. ;D
I keep saying, where is ze sauce?
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Great news. Only a stuff head would have something negative to say :thumbsup
There's no need for that. Claw is allowed to have a different view. Be a bit boring if we all had the exact same opinion.
No it would be bliss :lol
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FFS Claw. He gives me the poos sometimes too but a one year extension? Really? He's our second best key forward by an absolute mile, he'd be entitled to tell us to get stuffed if we waited until the end of the season and then said "here's a one year deal champ".
i wish he would coach we might then get of our arses and go after a decent kpf or two.
you saw him in the ruck we move on and try something else. we now get to see this prodigal talent as a kpf my moneys on we will have to move on yet we extend his contract by 3 yrs that is stuffing hilarious.you dont earn long contracts at richmond you just need to be a favorite and we hand em out willy nilly.
the fact hes our second best tall forward tells us all where we are at doesnt it.
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It would be worth a comparison between Ottens and TV at this respective stage of their careers.
Would make for interesting statistical analysis me thinks ...
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How much is he on a year Now?
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Great news. Only a stuff head would have something negative to say :thumbsup
There's no need for that. Claw is allowed to have a different view. Be a bit boring if we all had the exact same opinion.
No it would be bliss :lol
At least I'd be right. Until I talked to my missus anyway. :-\
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Claw i like you but get off the shawitzi mate,
we need this bloke more than he needs us
good move.
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FFS Claw. He gives me the poos sometimes too but a one year extension? Really? He's our second best key forward by an absolute mile, he'd be entitled to tell us to get stuffed if we waited until the end of the season and then said "here's a one year deal champ".
i wish he would coach we might then get of our arses and go after a decent kpf or two.
you saw him in the ruck we move on and try something else. we now get to see this prodigal talent as a kpf my moneys on we will have to move on yet we extend his contract by 3 yrs that is stuffing hilarious.you dont earn long contracts at richmond you just need to be a favorite and we hand em out willy nilly.
the fact hes our second best tall forward tells us all where we are at doesnt it.
We at 15 game won ain't we
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It would be worth a comparison between Ottens and TV at this respective stage of their careers.
Would make for interesting statistical analysis me thinks ...
Here you go Darth :thumbsup.
Tyrone Vickery .... Born:31-May-1990 (Debut:19y 14d) Height:200cm Weight:95kg
Age Year Match Kicks Hballs Disp Marks HO Tack FF FA Goals Bhds Rating
19 2009 9 2.4 6.2 8.7 2.4 8.8 1.9 3 7 5 1 44.9
20 2010 14 2.6 5.4 8.1 1.8 8.7 2.1 18 13 3 3 41.4
21 2011 22 6.1 5.3 11.5 4.3 7.1 1.8 26 20 36 19 65.3
22 2012 9 4.6 3.6 8.1 2.3 6.6 2.3 5 6 7 5 47.4
23 2013 21 7.5 5.0 12.5 5.5 8.0 1.6 24 22 27 19 69.9
Brad Ottens ....... Born:25-Jan-1980 (Debut:18y 64d) Height:202cm Weight:108kg
Age Year Match Kicks Hballs Disp Marks HO Tack FF FA Goals Bhds Rating
18 1998 12 2.5 2.8 5.3 2.4 5.8 0.4 7 4 2 2 28.5
19 1999 22 5.0 4.4 9.4 3.7 12.1 0.4 15 20 21 15 53.0
20 2000 21 8.3 5.4 13.7 5.6 15.1 1.0 23 24 30 12 78.0
21 2001 24 9.6 5.2 14.8 6.9 13.4 1.8 30 35 46 21 89.8
22 2002 20 8.0 5.7 13.7 5.1 18.9 2.1 38 33 27 16 83.6
23 2003 12 7.5 7.8 15.3 5.9 20.0 2.8 17 18 10 5 89.4
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=1941
http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/players/T/Tyrone_Vickery.html
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=689
http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/players/B/Brad_Ottens.html
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agree with move.
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FFS Claw. He gives me the poos sometimes too but a one year extension? Really? He's our second best key forward by an absolute mile, he'd be entitled to tell us to get stuffed if we waited until the end of the season and then said "here's a one year deal champ".
i wish he would coach we might then get of our arses and go after a decent kpf or two.
you saw him in the ruck we move on and try something else. we now get to see this prodigal talent as a kpf my moneys on we will have to move on yet we extend his contract by 3 yrs that is stuffing hilarious.you dont earn long contracts at richmond you just need to be a favorite and we hand em out willy nilly.
the fact hes our second best tall forward tells us all where we are at doesnt it.
We at 15 game won ain't we
sheesh judge. i know im illiterate but ffs english please.
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"Where we are at"
Is on the back of winning 15 games, is it not?
In which Tyrone was a reasonably integral component
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It would be worth a comparison between Ottens and TV at this respective stage of their careers.
Would make for interesting statistical analysis me thinks ...
why would that be. ottens could actually ruck something i reckon even the club has conceded vickery cant do.
compare him to key forwards thats where hes at. i reckon he would be behind most.
three freakin yrs based on what.
i canunderstand the club and the footy dept backing players in because they get pretty close to em. what i dont get is supporters blindly backing in the club on things like this. it is dejavu
in all honesty can any one here tell me vickery has earnt a 3 yr deal.
i dont give a toss how oimportant peoiple think he is. bif being mediocre and hes the best we ghave is important then we are in strife in this area. get of the arse richmond acknowledge we may have a problem and recruit accordingly. blinly putting all the eggs in the vickery basket is what we have done for yrs.
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"Where we are at"
Is on the back of winning 15 games, is it not?
In which Tyrone was a reasonably integral component
integral who says he was poo most of the time.
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Middle age must be catching up on me well and truly..so please remind me when did the club concede Ty cant ruck
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Probably the moment we traded a r2 pick for Hampson G :shh
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Not necessarily
Regardless of maric and tyrone.
Given the delisting of derickx and the age of O. We were at least one ruck short. A hampson (ruck man. Younger Ivan. Older Tyrone/bean/Griff) type was vital and doesn't mean vuckery cannot ruck.
Imo
I could be wrong but good teams seem to have a brigade of ruck man and we were rather dire situation.
As much as I love and care for claw. I don't believe Tyrone and bean will never make it as ruck options due to that being the post ion of the great clawski
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Not necessarily
Regardless of maric and tyrone.
Given the delisting of derickx and the age of O. We were at least one ruck short. A hampson (ruck man. Younger Ivan. Older Tyrone/bean/Griff) type was vital and doesn't mean vuckery cannot ruck.
Imo
I could be wrong but good teams seem to have a brigade of ruck man and we were rather dire situation.
As much as I love and care for claw. I don't believe Tyrone and bean will never make it as ruck options due to that being the post ion of the great clawski
not just the fact that we went and got hampson with our second round pick.
the list needed a junior ruckman if vickery had developed.
sheesh he turns 24, he will play 100 games he enters yr 6 and hes physically close to where he needs to be. if he could play the role there was no need to get hampson.
the simple fact is as a ruckman he was shizen and the club had to go out and get a player who could help out.
your right most clubs have a brigade of ruckmen as you say. the need for us was not just a mature ruck in hampson common sense says we could do with a few juniors as well.
lets look at what we have objectively with the blinkers off.
stephenson - at age 31 32 or what ever hes a very short term prospect. imo hes a better ruckman to date than hampson. we need a junior in there now developing in anticipation of him going.
maric - hes 28 we are already having to manage his body he could have 3 yrs left in him he may not hes a short term prospect though imo. again there should be a 20 22 yr old already there developing to take over when ivan goes. this is one reason why i wanted us to go after longer. when ivan goes longer would have been around 23 24 and near his peak.
hampson - hes basically 26 one week into the new season. to date hes a failed 7 yr player we have basically taken a risk on 26yo potential. hes a medium term player if he works out. and im not sold yet he will work out and think we should plan accordingly.
thats it we have just 3 first rucks two short termers and a risky medium termer.
we then have a pile of players who the club tells us could be ruckmen but common sense says we know they wont be front line ruckmen.
griffiths - 22 yo battler. its a last gasp thing playing him in the ruck hoping he can become a player. doesnt have the mindset to play there. hes a kpf.
vickery - well ive said my bit on him.to me you can cross him off the ruck list. kpf.
mcbean - 19yo could possibly pinch hit as a ruckman but fair dinkum who rightly believes hes a ruckman or that he will become a front line one. his scenario is similar to vickery imo. club saying we have a ruckman so dont need to recruit a junior. when clearly hes more likely to be a kpp .
im still asking if the likes of vickery griffiths mcbean and elton are all ruck/for where the hell are the developing pure tall forwards.
elton - 20 21yo ? of this second list is the best in the air imo. at 197cm hes going to struggle in the ruck at this level. kpf.
how many of these 4 could realistically take over from ivan and lead the ruck. not one of em.not now or down the track.
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ot just the fact that we went and got hampson with our second round pick
is it a fact that carlton would have acceptable our third pick?
i would have thought this point was reasonably paramount for the discussion at hand
the list needed a junior ruckman if vickery had developed.
sheesh he turns 24, he will play 100 games he enters yr 6 and hes physically close to where he needs to be. if he could play the role there was no need to get hampson.
the simple fact is as a ruckman he was shizen and the club had to go out and get a player who could help out.
I have doubts if your opinion if correct.
stephenson - at age 31 32
maric - hes 28
hampson - hes basically 26
griffiths - 22 yo
vickery -
mcbean - 19yo c
elton - 20 21yo ?
looks pretty well balanced to me
vickery - well ive said my bit on him.to me you can cross him off the ruck list. kpf.
I have doubts if your opinion if correct.
how many of these 4 could realistically take over from ivan and lead the ruck. not one of em.not now or down the track.
Hamspon and Griffiths could do a serviceable job in light of Marics injury. I guess we will know soon enough.
down the track i am reasonably comfortable with hampson taking over from maric and elton/mcbean/griff/tyone succession plan.
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Middle age must be catching up on me well and truly..so please remind me when did the club concede Ty cant ruck
Looking at the stats posted by One-eyed (http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?action=post;quote=416736;topic=19434.15;last_msg=416894) you can see that TV's hit outs have gone down since he began
2009 8.8
2010 8.7
2011 7.1
2012 6.6
2013 8.0
The only saving grace were the 36 goals he got in 2011 and 27 in 2013.
Less than ten goals per year in other years.
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Ummmm he was injured in 2012 and the other two years were his first.
Those stats only back up his potential.
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yep, and his hitouts have gone down bc he's played less in the ruck year by year the past several
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#noplace4facts
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I'm happy with his work. Needs to keep kicking 30-40 goals/year though. And I thought his ruck work was improving last year but if we play Hampson I'm happy for him to play in the F50.
All the same, 3 years is generous. I hope we get a good price on him for that longevity...
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Ummmm he was injured in 2012 and the other two years were his first.
Those stats only back up his potential.
they certainly dont back up his potential as a ruckman. in fact they show just how poor hes been.
if longer after two yrs and 9 games ave 20 h/o a game and is useless according to most on here where does that leave vickery after 5 yrs. ffs as a ruckman hampson is better than vickery and hes woidely considered by most as someone who has struggled.
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compare him to key forwards thats where hes at. i reckon he would be behind most.
His the best KPF from his draft apart from maybe Tom Lynch who had the added benefit of not having to ruck.
lets look at what we have objectively with the blinkers off.
stephenson - at age 31 32 or what ever hes a very short term prospect. imo hes a better ruckman to date than hampson. we need a junior in there now developing in anticipation of him going.
maric - hes 28 we are already having to manage his body he could have 3 yrs left in him he may not hes a short term prospect though imo. again there should be a 20 22 yr old already there developing to take over when ivan goes. this is one reason why i wanted us to go after longer. when ivan goes longer would have been around 23 24 and near his peak
hampson - hes basically 26 one week into the new season. to date hes a failed 7 yr player we have basically taken a risk on 26yo potential. hes a medium term player if he works out. and im not sold yet he will work out and think we should plan accordingly.
thats it we have just 3 first rucks two short termers and a risky medium termer.
we then have a pile of players who the club tells us could be ruckmen but common sense says we know they wont be front line ruckmen.
griffiths - 22 yo battler. its a last gasp thing playing him in the ruck hoping he can become a player. doesnt have the mindset to play there. hes a kpf.
vickery - well ive said my bit on him.to me you can cross him off the ruck list. kpf.
mcbean - 19yo could possibly pinch hit as a ruckman but fair dinkum who rightly believes hes a ruckman or that he will become a front line one. his scenario is similar to vickery imo. club saying we have a ruckman so dont need to recruit a junior. when clearly hes more likely to be a kpp .
im still asking if the likes of vickery griffiths mcbean and elton are all ruck/for where the hell are the developing pure tall forwards.
elton - 20 21yo ? of this second list is the best in the air imo. at 197cm hes going to struggle in the ruck at this level. kpf.
how many of these 4 could realistically take over from ivan and lead the ruck. not one of em.not now or down the track.
I was gonna underline what part of that wasn't objective and was actually your opinion, but I ended up underling practically everything apart from the players name and age and even then some of them you chose to round up. Your opinion isn't more valid than anyone else's and so important that it can be classed as objective
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Ummmm he was injured in 2012 and the other two years were his first.
Those stats only back up his potential.
they certainly dont back up his potential as a ruckman. in fact they show just how poor hes been.
if longer after two yrs and 9 games ave 20 h/o a game and is useless according to most on here where does that leave vickery after 5 yrs. ffs as a ruckman hampson is better than vickery and hes woidely considered by most as someone who has struggled.
No they don't but I never considered him as no 1 ruckman more as a KPF who could give the ruck a chop out
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compare him to key forwards thats where hes at. i reckon he would be behind most.
His the best KPF from his draft apart from maybe Tom Lynch who had the added benefit of not having to ruck.
lets look at what we have objectively with the blinkers off.
stephenson - at age 31 32 or what ever hes a very short term prospect. imo hes a better ruckman to date than hampson. we need a junior in there now developing in anticipation of him going.
maric - hes 28 we are already having to manage his body he could have 3 yrs left in him he may not hes a short term prospect though imo. again there should be a 20 22 yr old already there developing to take over when ivan goes. this is one reason why i wanted us to go after longer. when ivan goes longer would have been around 23 24 and near his peak
hampson - hes basically 26 one week into the new season. to date hes a failed 7 yr player we have basically taken a risk on 26yo potential. hes a medium term player if he works out. and im not sold yet he will work out and think we should plan accordingly.
thats it we have just 3 first rucks two short termers and a risky medium termer.
we then have a pile of players who the club tells us could be ruckmen but common sense says we know they wont be front line ruckmen.
griffiths - 22 yo battler. its a last gasp thing playing him in the ruck hoping he can become a player. doesnt have the mindset to play there. hes a kpf.
vickery - well ive said my bit on him.to me you can cross him off the ruck list. kpf.
mcbean - 19yo could possibly pinch hit as a ruckman but fair dinkum who rightly believes hes a ruckman or that he will become a front line one. his scenario is similar to vickery imo. club saying we have a ruckman so dont need to recruit a junior. when clearly hes more likely to be a kpp .
im still asking if the likes of vickery griffiths mcbean and elton are all ruck/for where the hell are the developing pure tall forwards.
elton - 20 21yo ? of this second list is the best in the air imo. at 197cm hes going to struggle in the ruck at this level. kpf.
how many of these 4 could realistically take over from ivan and lead the ruck. not one of em.not now or down the track.
I was gonna underline what part of that wasn't objective and was actually your opinion, but I ended up underling practically everything apart from the players name and age and even then some of them you chose to round up. Your opinion isn't more valid than anyone else's and so important that it can be classed as objective.
well ill be. objectivity and opinion are mutually exclusive. none of us would be on here posting if that were the case. unbelievable little tanty right there. but to appease your literary outrage, lets just change the word objective to realistic assumption. at the end of the day its neither here nor there.
oh by the way whos age have i rounded up as of 14/3/14 those ages are correct. i dunno when you work out a lists age but most people do it at the start of rnd 1.
i have to ask.
why dont you think orren is short term?
why do you think maric will last longer than 3yrs? is it not realistic to think at age 28 hes a short term prospect even if he lasts a little longer than 3yrs?
hampson will be 26yo 7 days after the season kicks off. why do you think hampson has had a good career to date? havent we taken him more on potential at 26yo than performance? it seems you obviously think not.
why do you think all of griffiths,elton, mcbean,and vickery could take over from ivan in the ruck.
finally vickery as a kpf has done exactly what. so hes the 2nd best kpf from his yr iyo. does that merely mean it was a poor yr for kpfs. how does he stack up with all kpf at the same age. now that would mean you have to be objective to find the right answer.
being objective to me is looking at both sides of the coin not just focusing on what we like to see and read. but i apologise and thanks for setting me straight. i reckon realistic assumption fits much better anyway. i promise to be more careful from now on about the words i choose.
i will say though, im not sure how realistic assumptions cant also be objective. ;)
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It would be worth a comparison between Ottens and TV at this respective stage of their careers.
Would make for interesting statistical analysis me thinks ...
Here you go Darth :thumbsup.
Tyrone Vickery .... Born:31-May-1990 (Debut:19y 14d) Height:200cm Weight:95kg
Age Year Match Kicks Hballs Disp Marks HO Tack FF FA Goals Bhds Rating
19 2009 9 2.4 6.2 8.7 2.4 8.8 1.9 3 7 5 1 44.9
20 2010 14 2.6 5.4 8.1 1.8 8.7 2.1 18 13 3 3 41.4
21 2011 22 6.1 5.3 11.5 4.3 7.1 1.8 26 20 36 19 65.3
22 2012 9 4.6 3.6 8.1 2.3 6.6 2.3 5 6 7 5 47.4
23 2013 21 7.5 5.0 12.5 5.5 8.0 1.6 24 22 27 19 69.9
Brad Ottens ....... Born:25-Jan-1980 (Debut:18y 64d) Height:202cm Weight:108kg
Age Year Match Kicks Hballs Disp Marks HO Tack FF FA Goals Bhds Rating
18 1998 12 2.5 2.8 5.3 2.4 5.8 0.4 7 4 2 2 28.5
19 1999 22 5.0 4.4 9.4 3.7 12.1 0.4 15 20 21 15 53.0
20 2000 21 8.3 5.4 13.7 5.6 15.1 1.0 23 24 30 12 78.0
21 2001 24 9.6 5.2 14.8 6.9 13.4 1.8 30 35 46 21 89.8
22 2002 20 8.0 5.7 13.7 5.1 18.9 2.1 38 33 27 16 83.6
23 2003 12 7.5 7.8 15.3 5.9 20.0 2.8 17 18 10 5 89.4
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=1941
http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/players/T/Tyrone_Vickery.html
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=689
http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/players/B/Brad_Ottens.html
Thanks OER. :clapping
Always like to examine some evidence before jumping to emotive conclusions.
Ottens was AA in 2001, and improved rapidly when Benny Gale was co-rucking, just wondering whether TV has it in him to literally make the leap into top 40 in the comp and make an AA squad in the next 2 seasons.
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well ill be. objectivity and opinion are mutually exclusive. none of us would be on here posting if that were the case. unbelievable little tanty right there. but to appease your literary outrage, lets just change the word objective to realistic assumption. at the end of the day its neither here nor there.
oh by the way whos age have i rounded up as of 14/3/14 those ages are correct. i dunno when you work out a lists age but most people do it at the start of rnd 1.
i have to ask.
why dont you think orren is short term?
why do you think maric will last longer than 3yrs? is it not realistic to think at age 28 hes a short term prospect even if he lasts a little longer than 3yrs?
hampson will be 26yo 7 days after the season kicks off. why do you think hampson has had a good career to date? havent we taken him more on potential at 26yo than performance? it seems you obviously think not.
why do you think all of griffiths,elton, mcbean,and vickery could take over from ivan in the ruck.
finally vickery as a kpf has done exactly what. so hes the 2nd best kpf from his yr iyo. does that merely mean it was a poor yr for kpfs. how does he stack up with all kpf at the same age. now that would mean you have to be objective to find the right answer.
being objective to me is looking at both sides of the coin not just focusing on what we like to see and read. but i apologise and thanks for setting me straight. i reckon realistic assumption fits much better anyway. i promise to be more careful from now on about the words i choose.
i will say though, im not sure how realistic assumptions cant also be objective. ;)
Opinions are subjective k.
I never argued with any of those points, just pointing out that you disregard everyones opinion as having blinkers on but you believe yours is completely objective.
Why don't you compare him against them then? His obviously not going to be the best but do you really expect every player you draft to be the best?
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i have to ask.
why dont you think orren is short term?
Didn't Essendon get rid of Paul Salmon because he was too old only to have him play another 5 years at Hawthorn?
:cheers
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The contract extension is done.
Pointless arguing.
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i have to ask.
why dont you think orren is short term?
Didn't Essendon get rid of Paul Salmon because he was too old only to have him play another 5 years at Hawthorn?
:cheers
salmon wanted out. he wanted to play ruck and had enough of his own supporters booing him.
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compare him to key forwards thats where hes at. i reckon he would be behind most.
His the best KPF from his draft apart from maybe Tom Lynch who had the added benefit of not having to ruck.
lets look at what we have objectively with the blinkers off.
stephenson - at age 31 32 or what ever hes a very short term prospect. imo hes a better ruckman to date than hampson. we need a junior in there now developing in anticipation of him going.
maric - hes 28 we are already having to manage his body he could have 3 yrs left in him he may not hes a short term prospect though imo. again there should be a 20 22 yr old already there developing to take over when ivan goes. this is one reason why i wanted us to go after longer. when ivan goes longer would have been around 23 24 and near his peak
hampson - hes basically 26 one week into the new season. to date hes a failed 7 yr player we have basically taken a risk on 26yo potential. hes a medium term player if he works out. and im not sold yet he will work out and think we should plan accordingly.
thats it we have just 3 first rucks two short termers and a risky medium termer.
we then have a pile of players who the club tells us could be ruckmen but common sense says we know they wont be front line ruckmen.
griffiths - 22 yo battler. its a last gasp thing playing him in the ruck hoping he can become a player. doesnt have the mindset to play there. hes a kpf.
vickery - well ive said my bit on him.to me you can cross him off the ruck list. kpf.
mcbean - 19yo could possibly pinch hit as a ruckman but fair dinkum who rightly believes hes a ruckman or that he will become a front line one. his scenario is similar to vickery imo. club saying we have a ruckman so dont need to recruit a junior. when clearly hes more likely to be a kpp .
im still asking if the likes of vickery griffiths mcbean and elton are all ruck/for where the hell are the developing pure tall forwards.
elton - 20 21yo ? of this second list is the best in the air imo. at 197cm hes going to struggle in the ruck at this level. kpf.
how many of these 4 could realistically take over from ivan and lead the ruck. not one of em.not now or down the track.
I was gonna underline what part of that wasn't objective and was actually your opinion, but I ended up underling practically everything apart from the players name and age and even then some of them you chose to round up. Your opinion isn't more valid than anyone else's and so important that it can be classed as objective.
well ill be. objectivity and opinion are mutually exclusive. none of us would be on here posting if that were the case. unbelievable little tanty right there. but to appease your literary outrage, lets just change the word objective to realistic assumption. at the end of the day its neither here nor there.
oh by the way whos age have i rounded up as of 14/3/14 those ages are correct. i dunno when you work out a lists age but most people do it at the start of rnd 1.
i have to ask.
why dont you think orren is short term?
why do you think maric will last longer than 3yrs? is it not realistic to think at age 28 hes a short term prospect even if he lasts a little longer than 3yrs?
hampson will be 26yo 7 days after the season kicks off. why do you think hampson has had a good career to date? havent we taken him more on potential at 26yo than performance? it seems you obviously think not.
why do you think all of griffiths,elton, mcbean,and vickery could take over from ivan in the ruck.
finally vickery as a kpf has done exactly what. so hes the 2nd best kpf from his yr iyo. does that merely mean it was a poor yr for kpfs. how does he stack up with all kpf at the same age. now that would mean you have to be objective to find the right answer.
being objective to me is looking at both sides of the coin not just focusing on what we like to see and read. but i apologise and thanks for setting me straight. i reckon realistic assumption fits much better anyway. i promise to be more careful from now on about the words i choose.
i will say though, im not sure how realistic assumptions cant also be objective. ;)
I think the club will recruit another mature ruckman in about two years. Someone maybe 24-26 yrs of age. They seem to have given up on developing one from scratch as they see it as taking too long.
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Maybe the club just couldn't develop HIV after a few nights with Magic Johnson.
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At least he is better than Shirley from essendrugs
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At least he is better than Shirley from essendrugs
Much better hair style I must say ;D
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Ty Vickery @TyVickery29 twitter:
"Great to sign on with @Richmond_FC for 2 more years and commit to helping the club achieve success in september! #gotiges"
:)
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2 years feels about right.
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so, was the supposed three year deal, that some got their knickers in a twist over, off the mark, or did Ty only want a 2 year deal?
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Or was he already contracted for 2015 and just slapped on an extra 2 years?
YEAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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so he's signed to the club for another 4 years?
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so he's signed to the club for another 4 years?
You can count to potato obviously. He has signed a life time contract obviously. Obviously.
YEEEAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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As per the RFC website he re-signed until the end of 2016
See
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-03-03/tigers-triple-treat
NB article also say Houli and Morris have re-signed too
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so he's signed to the club for another 4 years?
You can count to potato obviously. He has signed a life time contract obviously. Obviously.
YEEEAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
just stuff off
;D
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:lol
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Dimma wants 40 goals from TV this year plus forward defensive efforts such as tackling and chasing ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-03-13/tys-on-the-rise
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Dimma wants 40 goals from TV this year plus forward defensive efforts such as tackling and chasing ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-03-13/tys-on-the-rise
Yesssss :clapping
JK im hoping this will be his year and injury free :gotigers
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Dimma wants 40 goals from TV this year plus forward defensive efforts such as tackling and chasing ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-03-13/tys-on-the-rise
i would have thought 35 to 40 goals is about where he should be for a kpf, whats that 1.5 to 2 goals a game.
tackling and chasing geez i though that would be a prerequisite for all players.
wht about crashing packs flying for everything in his area backing into packs and bloody hell throwing a block or shepherd and getting crunched but creating space for the smaller players in the process.cmon dimma demand he toughens up both mentally and physically. demand he always puts his body on the line. toughness is not throwing a few jumper punches when thats about all your allowed to do. toughness is all about taking punishment and being prepared to take the hits time and time again for the team. do this and it wont matter about how many goals he kicks because he will always be making a decent contribution.
personally i cant see it ive never seen a big bloke play the game on his own terms as much as vickery.
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ahh tyrone the dud. yet there will be those who defend him. i cant wait to see the excuses.
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ahh tyrone the dud. yet there will be those who defend him. i cant wait to see the excuses.
You'll be hard pressed to find any around here for a while.
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Well at least he's still on track for the 40+ goals expected of him.
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He does this often. Plays like ass or isn't seen for 2-3 quarters then kicks a couple of goals and people reckon he's done ok when they look at the stat sheet.
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He does this often. Plays like ass or isn't seen for 2-3 quarters then kicks a couple of goals and people reckon he's done ok when they look at the stat sheet.
The problem is Hardwick appears to fall into the same trap.
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He's bloody S. H. I. T. !
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tonight he was total and complete poo! he should have been taken off not Griffiths who at least tried. Vickery was a disgrace tonight.
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Come back Lukey all is forgiven!
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Send the son of a bitch back to the 2s
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Reckon Lids booting the ball away was at Vickery for the kick, whether not kicking it sooner, not putting it to his advantage or kicking a floater, or at himself for not marking it? If it were in frustration at Vickery maybe the leaders showing their disgust in him might finally be enough for Hardwick to boot him back to the 2nds.
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Claw was right. What a stuffing pea heart. Like a demented donkey trying to catch herpes out there. :banghead
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He runs around like a stuffn netballer.
Hardwicks undying love of him exhibits his stuffn moronic inability to coach.
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Should never play that deep. Would keep this guy at half-forward. Jack needs to be deep. He's the only forward we have who actually knows how to lead etc.
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Maybe they can just turn him upside down and use him as a mop to clean the club out of all this crap.
Can't see what other use he's going to be :banghead
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i repeat. If Griffiths was played as often and given as many chances up forward as Vickery over the last two years he would be twice the player that Vickery is now.
He is just as tall, a better kick, better when the ball hits the ground and has more football smarts than Vickery.
The only thing Vickery has an advantage in is that his dad is the boxing and conditioning coach.
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He may be able to box, but when he gets angry he loses all focus on what he's out there to do
He's a liability
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Reckon Lids booting the ball away was at Vickery for the kick, whether not kicking it sooner, not putting it to his advantage or kicking a floater
All of the above.
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i repeat. If Griffiths was played as often and given as many chances up forward as Vickery over the last two years he would be twice the player that Vickery is now.
He is just as tall, a better kick, better when the ball hits the ground and has more football smarts than Vickery.
The only thing Vickery has an advantage in is that his dad is the boxing and conditioning coach.
So true
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So what are all of you going to say when Vickery does something good in a game like most of you have said in the past.
Up, Down, Up, Down which seems to be the same attitudes towards all players.
Nobody real seems to know what they're talking about.
It's one game FFS
Yeah we didn't win and geez we were cr4p and GC was pretty good but still shouldn't have won.
The whole team was absolutely cr4p and that includes cotchin and lids, so many disposals with from each of them, most of which had no impact on the game.
Cotchin was about 2 steps behind GC at all times, BUT IT'S 1 GAME
We will still makes the finals and win some.
So move on to the next game before you throw my beloved Tigers in the bin for another year.
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Robbo on AFL360 last night questioned whether Vickery is enjoying AFL footy. “Does he really want to play?” he asks. Robbo says he’s the second most interesting person at Richmond, behind Riewoldt.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/recap-what-you-missed-on-last-nights-afl-television-shows-headlined-by-fox-footys-afl360-and-on-the-couch/story-fndv7pj3-1226857496638?from=trendinglinks
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So what are all of you going to say when Vickery does something good in a game like most of you have said in the past.
Up, Down, Up, Down which seems to be the same attitudes towards all players.
Nobody real seems to know what they're talking about.
It's one game FFS
Yeah we didn't win and geez we were cr4p and GC was pretty good but still shouldn't have won.
The whole team was absolutely cr4p and that includes cotchin and lids, so many disposals with from each of them, most of which had no impact on the game.
Cotchin was about 2 steps behind GC at all times, BUT IT'S 1 GAME
We will still makes the finals and win some.
So move on to the next game before you throw my beloved Tigers in the bin for another year.
Its one game yes, but Vickerys performance was the most appauling I can remember for a so called decent player since daffy turned poo. Outsmarted, out positioned, out hungered. A 3 year old could have marked those kicks to him.
He deserves to be held accountable.
If and When he plays better, yes he will receive praise and rightly so
The whole team was not crap btw and they are OUR tigers not YOUR tigers.
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2 year deal gee whizz we took at pick 9 I think he owes us a lot he is starting to turn into BIG Richard Lounder hahaha.... Vicekry will get dropped this year no questions about it I think he has played 5 good games in the past 3 years all mainly against stkilda and in nab challenge games just to tease us yet again.....
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Robbo on AFL360 last night questioned whether Vickery is enjoying AFL footy. “Does he really want to play?” he asks. Robbo says he’s the second most interesting person at Richmond, behind Riewoldt.
actually, thats a fair question. the fat blob may be onto something.
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Had a better game than Buddy, extend his contract by 7 years :cheers
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Had a better game than Buddy, extend his contract by 7 years :cheers
:lol
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Buddy got beaten up by Stephen Coniglio so we will have to cut him some slack. What was Ty's excuse?
(http://www.projectfutures.com/stellafella/images/champions/celebs/stephen_coniglio.jpg)
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(http://i.imgur.com/HPdicK4.jpg)
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Ty is making those special sandwiches for you lot
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If he does that more than once every 6 or 7 weeks I'll eat it
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The big Tyrone Tower :clapping
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I think 4 goals is flattering.
Jack FF.
Griff CHF.
Vickery 3rd tall + ruck relief.
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Leading the Coleman
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Only 7 touches but WGAF. Kicked 4 and played with good intensity. If a kick to him wasn't spot on he just got on with it and didn't whinge. That's what he should be bringing to the table each week.
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I think 4 goals is flattering.
Jack FF.
Griff CHF.
Vickery 3rd tall + ruck relief.
Griff had some smooth hit outs to advantage
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Only 7 touches but WGAF. Kicked 4 and played with good intensity. If a kick to him wasn't spot on he just got on with it and didn't whinge. That's what he should be bringing to the table each week.
Exactly. :clapping
He's going to play on a dwarf back line next week. Should monster them. But needs to actually do it.
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Reckon he plays more good games than bad but people seem to focus on the bad
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Reckon he plays more good games than bad but people seem to focus on the bad
Funny you should say that
We were talking about it last night and we agreed the Dermie's article was spot on
Dermie said with Tyrone there's the good, the bad and the very bad
Reckon we don't get the good often enough
Thankfully the very bad isn't a weekly thing but when we get it struth it's diabolical ala GC game
Which leaves us with "the bad" which seems to be the consistent one
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Reckon he plays more good games than bad but people seem to focus on the bad
Funny you should say that
We were talking about it last night and we agreed the Dermie's article was spot on
Dermie said with Tyrone there's the good, the bad and the very bad
Reckon we don't get the good often enough
Thankfully the very bad isn't a weekly thing but when we get it struth it's diabolical ala GC game
Which leaves us with "the bad" which seems to be the consistent one
Eh I just disagree. I agree that he can have some stinkers and DOES need to get more consistent but I reckon he's serviceable most of the time
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lol l said he would kick 4 goals pre match but he still plays behind like Rewoldt :thumbsup