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Re: Tigers set to re-sign Tyrone Vickery on three year deal ..... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #30 on: February 27, 2014, 06:41:50 AM »
agree with move.

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Re: Tigers set to re-sign Tyrone Vickery on three year deal ..... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #31 on: February 27, 2014, 08:46:28 PM »
FFS Claw. He gives me the poos sometimes too but a one year extension? Really? He's our second best key forward by an absolute mile, he'd be entitled to tell us to get stuffed if we waited until the end of the season and then said "here's a one year deal champ".
i wish he would coach we might then get of our arses and go after a decent kpf or two.
you saw him in the ruck we move on and try something else. we now get to see this prodigal talent as a kpf my moneys on we will have to move on yet we extend his contract by 3 yrs that is stuffing hilarious.you dont earn long contracts at richmond you just need to be a favorite and we hand em out willy nilly.
the fact hes our second best tall forward tells us all where we are at doesnt it.

We at 15 game won ain't we
sheesh judge. i know im illiterate but ffs english please.

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Re: Tigers set to re-sign Tyrone Vickery on three year deal ..... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #32 on: February 27, 2014, 08:50:07 PM »
"Where we are at"

Is on the back of winning 15 games, is it not?

In which Tyrone was a reasonably integral component

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Re: Tigers set to re-sign Tyrone Vickery on three year deal ..... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #33 on: February 27, 2014, 08:53:34 PM »
It would be worth a comparison between Ottens and TV at this respective stage of their careers.

Would make for interesting statistical analysis me thinks ...
why would that be. ottens could actually ruck something i reckon even the club has conceded vickery cant do.
compare him to key forwards thats where hes at. i reckon he would be behind most.

three freakin yrs based on what.

i canunderstand the club and the footy dept backing players in because they get pretty close to em. what i dont get is supporters blindly backing in the club on things like this. it is dejavu
 in all honesty can any one here tell me vickery has earnt a 3 yr deal.

i dont give a toss how oimportant peoiple think he is. bif being mediocre and hes the best we ghave is important then we are in strife in this area.  get of the arse richmond acknowledge we may have a problem and recruit accordingly. blinly putting all the eggs in the vickery basket is what we have done for yrs.

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Re: Tigers set to re-sign Tyrone Vickery on three year deal ..... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #34 on: February 27, 2014, 08:54:21 PM »
"Where we are at"

Is on the back of winning 15 games, is it not?

In which Tyrone was a reasonably integral component
integral who says he was poo most of the time.

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Re: Tigers set to re-sign Tyrone Vickery on three year deal ..... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #35 on: February 27, 2014, 09:04:06 PM »
Middle age must be catching up on me well and truly..so please remind me when did the club concede Ty cant ruck

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Re: Tigers set to re-sign Tyrone Vickery on three year deal ..... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #36 on: February 27, 2014, 09:54:29 PM »
Probably the moment we traded a r2 pick for Hampson G  :shh
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Re: Tigers set to re-sign Tyrone Vickery on three year deal ..... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #37 on: February 27, 2014, 09:58:49 PM »
Not necessarily

Regardless of maric and tyrone.

Given the delisting of derickx and the age of O. We were at least one ruck short. A hampson (ruck man. Younger Ivan. Older Tyrone/bean/Griff) type was vital and doesn't mean vuckery cannot ruck.

Imo

I could be wrong but good teams seem to have a brigade of ruck man and we were rather dire situation.

As much as I love and care for claw. I don't believe Tyrone and bean will never make it as ruck options due to that being the post ion of the great clawski

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Re: Tigers set to re-sign Tyrone Vickery on three year deal ..... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #38 on: February 28, 2014, 11:13:52 AM »
Not necessarily

Regardless of maric and tyrone.

Given the delisting of derickx and the age of O. We were at least one ruck short. A hampson (ruck man. Younger Ivan. Older Tyrone/bean/Griff) type was vital and doesn't mean vuckery cannot ruck.

Imo

I could be wrong but good teams seem to have a brigade of ruck man and we were rather dire situation.

As much as I love and care for claw. I don't believe Tyrone and bean will never make it as ruck options due to that being the post ion of the great clawski
not just the fact that we went and got hampson with our second round pick.
the list needed a junior ruckman if vickery had developed.
sheesh he turns 24, he will play 100 games he enters yr 6 and hes physically close to where he needs to be. if he could play the role there was no need to get hampson.
the simple fact is as a ruckman he was shizen and the club had to go out and get a player who could help out. 

your right most clubs have a brigade of ruckmen as you say.  the need for us was not just a mature ruck in hampson common sense says we could do with a few juniors as well.

lets look at what we have objectively with the blinkers off.

stephenson - at age 31 32 or what ever hes a very short term prospect. imo hes a better ruckman to date than hampson. we need a junior in there now developing in anticipation of him going.

maric  - hes 28 we are already having to manage his body he could have 3 yrs left in him he may not hes a short term prospect though imo. again there should be a 20 22 yr old already there developing to take over when ivan goes. this is one reason why i wanted us to go after longer. when ivan goes longer would have been around  23 24 and near his peak.

hampson - hes basically 26 one week into the new season. to date hes a failed 7 yr player we have basically taken a risk on  26yo  potential. hes a medium term player if he works out. and im not sold yet he will work out and think we should plan accordingly.

thats it we have just 3 first rucks two short termers and a risky medium termer.
we then have a pile of players who the club tells us could be ruckmen but common sense says we know they wont be front line ruckmen.

griffiths - 22 yo battler. its a last gasp thing playing him in the ruck hoping he can become a player. doesnt have the mindset to play there. hes a kpf.
vickery - well ive said my bit on him.to me you can cross him off the ruck list. kpf.
mcbean - 19yo could possibly  pinch hit as a ruckman but fair dinkum who rightly believes hes a ruckman or that he will become a front line one. his scenario is similar to vickery imo. club saying we have a ruckman so dont need to recruit a junior.  when clearly hes more likely to be  a kpp  .
 im still asking if the likes of vickery griffiths mcbean and elton are all ruck/for where the hell are the developing pure tall forwards.
elton  - 20 21yo ? of this second list is the best in the air imo. at 197cm hes going to struggle in the ruck at this level.  kpf.

how many of these 4 could realistically take over from ivan and lead the ruck. not one of em.not now or down the track.

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Re: Tigers set to re-sign Tyrone Vickery on three year deal ..... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #39 on: February 28, 2014, 11:29:19 AM »
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ot just the fact that we went and got hampson with our second round pick

is it a fact that carlton would have acceptable our third pick?

i would have thought this point was reasonably paramount for the discussion at hand

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the list needed a junior ruckman if vickery had developed.
sheesh he turns 24, he will play 100 games he enters yr 6 and hes physically close to where he needs to be. if he could play the role there was no need to get hampson.
the simple fact is as a ruckman he was shizen and the club had to go out and get a player who could help out. 

I have doubts if your opinion if correct.

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stephenson - at age 31 32
maric  - hes 28
hampson - hes basically 26
griffiths - 22 yo
vickery -
mcbean - 19yo c
elton  - 20 21yo ?

looks pretty well balanced to me

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vickery - well ive said my bit on him.to me you can cross him off the ruck list. kpf.

I have doubts if your opinion if correct.

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how many of these 4 could realistically take over from ivan and lead the ruck. not one of em.not now or down the track.

Hamspon and Griffiths could do a serviceable job in light of Marics injury. I guess we will know soon enough.

down the track i am reasonably comfortable with hampson taking over from maric and elton/mcbean/griff/tyone succession plan.

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Re: Tigers set to re-sign Tyrone Vickery on three year deal ..... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #40 on: February 28, 2014, 06:56:41 PM »
Middle age must be catching up on me well and truly..so please remind me when did the club concede Ty cant ruck

Looking at the stats posted by One-eyed (http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?action=post;quote=416736;topic=19434.15;last_msg=416894) you can see that TV's hit outs have gone down since he began
2009  8.8
2010  8.7
2011  7.1
2012  6.6
2013  8.0
The only saving grace were the 36 goals he got in 2011 and 27 in 2013.
Less than ten goals per year in other years.
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Re: Tigers set to re-sign Tyrone Vickery on three year deal ..... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #41 on: February 28, 2014, 08:02:56 PM »
Ummmm he was injured in 2012 and the other two years were his first.

Those stats only back up his potential.


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Re: Tigers set to re-sign Tyrone Vickery on three year deal ..... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #42 on: February 28, 2014, 08:05:54 PM »
yep, and his hitouts have gone down bc he's played less in the ruck year by year the past several

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Re: Tigers set to re-sign Tyrone Vickery on three year deal ..... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #43 on: February 28, 2014, 08:11:04 PM »
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Re: Tigers set to re-sign Tyrone Vickery on three year deal ..... (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #44 on: February 28, 2014, 10:03:23 PM »
I'm happy with his work. Needs to keep kicking 30-40 goals/year though. And I thought his ruck work was improving last year but if we play Hampson I'm happy for him to play in the F50.

All the same, 3 years is generous. I hope we get a good price on him for that longevity...