One-Eyed Richmond Forum
General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Judge Roughneck on March 02, 2014, 03:42:30 AM
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Yee haw! Let the games begin!
Good times, good times.....
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Ukrainian gave nuclear weapons, away with promise American would protect them from Russian invasion
Potentially ww3 nuclear war
http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/up-front/posts/2011/05/31-nuclear-ukraine-pifer
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Oh boy..
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I just bought a new lawn mower ffs
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All the right ingredients for a horric outcome.
Expect to hear plenty about the Budapest memorandum in the next week
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/02/28/stuff-could-a-little-known-international-agreement-force-u-s-britain-into-war-with-russia/
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I just bought a new lawn mower ffs
What type?
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I accidentally deleted my first post while scrolling on my phone. Anyway, did some digging into this Budapest Memorandum. While it appears to have been signed by Clinton it doesn't look like it was ratified by the US Senate. As much as it probably sucks for anyone in the Crimea, it will likely fizz out to be another Georgia/South Ossetia scenario.
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Crimea people are mostly Russian / want to be Russian anyway. Cause they killed most the Tatars... but if Russia take a chuck of Ukraine or all - then china starts taking whatever countries they want...
The countries above Ukraine part of the EU. So if Putin goes them too, its stuffed.
Whatever happens can every one please not press 'the button'.
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Crimea people are mostly Russian / want to be Russian anyway.
This is what I thought anyway. Didn't they just try and elect a pro-Russian government? I've always had the impression Russia just wants to get back some old Soviet territories containing ethnic Russians, just not to the extent of Germany pinching back old territory and ethnic German populations of the late 30s. Russia is a bear, always has been. It hibernates and then does what Russia does.
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You have got to be kidding me
http://m.smh.com.au/stuff-off-20140302-33tiy.html
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(http://i.imgur.com/MWL3PWS.png)
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Why? What response should he make?
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The one least likely to led to Nuclear holocaust
“We’ll regain our status as a nuclear power and that’ll change the conversation. Ukraine has all the technological means needed to create a nuclear arsenal – which would take us about three to six months,” Svoboda party MP Mikhail Golovko said.
:facepalm
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Who gives a stuff.
Lmao@ president chips making comment.
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WGAF
bout 7 billion people ...
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WGAF
bout 7 billion people ...
yeah...nah....
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I'm with Ox WGAF
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Russia given Ukrainian 12 hours as of four hours ago to surrender or all out assault
BBC Russia has reportedly given Ukrainian forces in Crimea a deadline of 3am on Tuesday to surrender or face military action after troops seized key strategic sites in the peninsula.
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http://i.imgur.com/XMzawux.jpg
http://en.ria.ru/images/15520/63/155206369.jpg
http://imgur.com/u9Q3gmM
Stupid yanks shouldn't poke the bear
America really shouldn't have been behind the overthrowing of a democracy elected government in Ukraine. (Via non governmental organizations)
Boris told america not to take advantage of of Russia weakness when it feel. Yanks said they wouldn't expand NATO and yet its now at Russia border.
http://www.democracynow.org/2012/3/6/stephen_cohen_on_vladimir_putin_russias
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread996705/pg1
Www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6ymujNTs5o
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(http://i1264.photobucket.com/albums/jj489/dwwaino/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_534481314996315_zpsa86c5e57.jpeg)
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:lol :lol
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:lol :lol dwaino :clapping :clapping
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I take no credit. Friend of a friend put it on friend's stuff page.
Dead set gold though :lol
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pee-er :lol
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It's a script.
Both countries are full of poo.
A propaganda/ publicity war at the cost of some, as they would justify it, peasants.
Welcome to the obscene future of scripted terror, where both countries share in a wealth of fear and power.
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Welcome to history the way it is, was and always will be.
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It's a script.
Both countries are full of poo.
A propaganda/ publicity war at the cost of some, as they would justify it, peasants.
Welcome to the obscene future of scripted terror, where both countries share in a wealth of fear and power.
Ukraine had one of the worlds largest nuke arsenals...
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Welcome to history the way it is, was and always will be.
No poo
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Welcome to history the way it is, was and always will be.
I'd like to build the world a home
And furnish it with love
Grow apple trees and honey bees
And snow white turtle doves
I'd like to teach the world to sing
In perfect harmony
I'd like to hold it in my arms
And keep it company
I'd like to see the world for once
All standing hand in hand
And hear them echo through the hills
For peace throughout the land
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Hard to see the Russians backing down anytime soon. Militarily, Ukraine can't match them while the West and UN are sitting back.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/linkableblob/5298314/data/ukraine-russia-data.png
The problem for Ukraine is their eastern and southern provinces have large Russian-speaking populations with the Crimea near 77%.
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The United States, Great Britain and Russia agreed in a pact "to assure Ukraine's territorial integrity" in return for Ukraine giving up a nuclear arsenal it inherited from the Soviet Union after declaring independence in 1991, said Pavlo Rizanenko, a member of the Ukrainian parliament.
"We gave up nuclear weapons because of this agreement," said Rizanenko, a member of the Udar Party headed by Vitali Klitschko, a candidate for president. "Now there's a strong sentiment in Ukraine that we made a big mistake."
His statements come as Russia raised the possibility it may send its troops beyond the Crimean peninsula on the Black Sea into the eastern half of Ukraine
usatoday.com
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(http://sportsbycolin.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/vitali-klitschko35.jpg)
Hard to see the Russians backing down anytime soon. Militarily, Ukraine can't match them while the West and UN are sitting back.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/linkableblob/5298314/data/ukraine-russia-data.png
The problem for Ukraine is their eastern and southern provinces have large Russian-speaking populations with the Crimea near 77%.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Navy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Ground_Forces
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Air_Force
wont be pretty
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https://shared.com/pj5ayc9im8?s=l
http://depositfiles.com/files/nsj5poqlb
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Welcome to history the way it is, was and always will be.
I'd like to build the world a home
And furnish it with love
Grow apple trees and honey bees
And snow white turtle doves
I'd like to teach the world to sing
In perfect harmony
I'd like to hold it in my arms
And keep it company
I'd like to see the world for once
All standing hand in hand
And hear them echo through the hills
For peace throughout the land
DC, sounding more like Ned Flanders there than Nelson Muntz ;D
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Went to the polls and 90% of voters want to be part of Russia.
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Went to the polls and 90% of voters want to be part of Russia.
and thats the end of the story. thats democracy, Putin always knew he would win here and the wests only interest was strategic it had nothing to do with human rights and infact even in terms of human rights the Russians were right. the fanatical ukrainians were treating the russian population like poo.
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Democracy? America overthrew the democratically elected Ukrainian government :whistle
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Democracy? America overthrew the democratically elected Ukrainian government :whistle
There was a democratically elected pro Russian gvt in Crimea wasn't there? They were then illegally thrown out of gvt hence why Russia has flexed their muscles? Now it goes to the polls, the people speak again and the US don't recognise it? Does it have anything to do with Crimea being a key strategic area for them to put some missiles in?
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Went to the polls and 90% of voters want to be part of Russia.
and thats the end of the story. thats democracy, Putin always knew he would win here and the wests only interest was strategic it had nothing to do with human rights and infact even in terms of human rights the Russians were right. the fanatical ukrainians were treating the russian population like poo.
No no, you have it the wrong way around, the US and its western allies are the good guys, if they reject the result it means the Russians are bad
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Russia def good guys
IMO
Pls don't kill me
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Democracy? America overthrew the democratically elected Ukrainian government :whistle
There was a democratically elected pro Russian gvt in Crimea wasn't there? They were then illegally thrown out of gvt hence why Russia has flexed their muscles? Now it goes to the polls, the people speak again and the US don't recognise it? Does it have anything to do with Crimea being a key strategic area for them to put some missiles in?
Correct but watch the west portray Russians as evil :whistle
The last bit was deep so ill leave that alone for nown
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The last bit was deep so ill leave that alone for nown
Wow. Setting a benchmark there...
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poos about to get real, rumoured that 80,000 Russian troops are massed at the border, it could be go time soon.
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She can invade me anytime:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b3/Natalia_Poklonskaya_conference_screenshot_crop.jpg/285px-Natalia_Poklonskaya_conference_screenshot_crop.jpg)
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Whole thing has stunk of 1939 and the Sudatenland.
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She can invade me anytime:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b3/Natalia_Poklonskaya_conference_screenshot_crop.jpg/285px-Natalia_Poklonskaya_conference_screenshot_crop.jpg)
She could be from Tatu.
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Its gunna kick off
“By the end of the weekend, Europe’s biggest war since 1945 will have begun or Putin will have started to send the troops on the border home,” declared Professor of the Naval War College at Boston University, John Schindler.
http://mobile.news.com.au/world/a-rapid-russian-buildup-of-tanks-and-troops-with-tough-talk-from-president-vladimir-putin-raises-fears-war-with-ukraine-could-be-imminent/story-fndir2ev-1226867240935
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wouldn't mind being a POW to her
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http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFL6N0NZ4EA20140513
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The announcement of U.S. BREEZE and RAPID TRIDENT II military maneuvers came on May 21, 2014 by Vice President Joe Biden’s office. Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, is a newly-named director of the Ukrainian natural gas and oil company Burisma Holdings, Ltd., owned by Ihor Kolomoisky, the Ukrainian-Israeli mafia oligarch, who is known as the «Chameleon». Kolomoisky has raised his own mercenary army, complete with the BUK missiles allegedly used in the shootdown of MH-17. Kolomoisky, the Governor of Dnipropetrovsk oblast in eastern Ukraine, has threatened terrorist attacks against Russian-speaking officials in eastern Ukraine, including assassinations
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/29/moscow-russia-violated-cold-war-nuclear-treaty-iskander-r500-missile-test-us
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-12-05/ron-paul-warns-reckless-congress-just-declared-war-russia
:o
esterday the US House passed what I consider to be one of the worst pieces of legislation ever. H. Res. 758 was billed as a resolution “strongly condemning the actions of the Russian Federation, under President Vladimir Putin, which has carried out a policy of aggression against neighboring countries aimed at political and economic domination.”
In fact, the bill was 16 pages of war propaganda that should have made even neocons blush, if they were capable of such a thing.
These are the kinds of resolutions I have always watched closely in Congress, as what are billed as “harmless” statements of opinion often lead to sanctions and war. I remember in 1998 arguing strongly against the Iraq Liberation Act because, as I said at the time, I knew it would lead to war. I did not oppose the Act because I was an admirer of Saddam Hussein – just as now I am not an admirer of Putin or any foreign political leader – but rather because I knew then that another war against Iraq would not solve the problems and would probably make things worse. We all know what happened next.
That is why I can hardly believe they are getting away with it again, and this time with even higher stakes: provoking a war with Russia that could result in total destruction!
If anyone thinks I am exaggerating about how bad this resolution really is, let me just offer a few examples from the legislation itself:
The resolution (paragraph 3) accuses Russia of an invasion of Ukraine and condemns Russia’s violation of Ukrainian sovereignty. The statement is offered without any proof of such a thing. Surely with our sophisticated satellites that can read a license plate from space we should have video and pictures of this Russian invasion. None have been offered. As to Russia’s violation of Ukrainian sovereignty, why isn’t it a violation of Ukraine’s sovereignty for the US to participate in the overthrow of that country’s elected government as it did in February? We have all heard the tapes of State Department officials plotting with the US Ambassador in Ukraine to overthrow the government. We heard US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland bragging that the US spent $5 billion on regime change in Ukraine. Why is that OK?
The resolution (paragraph 11) accuses the people in east Ukraine of holding “fraudulent and illegal elections” in November. Why is it that every time elections do not produce the results desired by the US government they are called “illegal” and “fraudulent”? Aren’t the people of eastern Ukraine allowed self-determination? Isn’t that a basic human right?
The resolution (paragraph 13) demands a withdrawal of Russia forces from Ukraine even though the US government has provided no evidence the Russian army was ever in Ukraine. This paragraph also urges the government in Kiev to resume military operations against the eastern regions seeking independence.
The resolution (paragraph 14) states with certainty that the Malaysia Airlines flight 17 that crashed in Ukraine was brought down by a missile “fired by Russian-backed separatist forces in eastern Ukraine.” This is simply incorrect, as the final report on the investigation of this tragedy will not even be released until next year and the preliminary report did not state that a missile brought down the plane. Neither did the preliminary report – conducted with the participation of all countries involved – assign blame to any side.
Paragraph 16 of the resolution condemns Russia for selling arms to the Assad government in Syria. It does not mention, of course, that those weapons are going to fight ISIS – which we claim is the enemy -- while the US weapons supplied to the rebels in Syria have actually found their way into the hands of ISIS!
Paragraph 17 of the resolution condemns Russia for what the US claims are economic sanctions (“coercive economic measures”) against Ukraine. This even though the US has repeatedly hit Russia with economic sanctions and is considering even more!
The resolution (paragraph 22) states that Russia invaded the Republic of Georgia in 2008. This is simply untrue. Even the European Union – no friend of Russia – concluded in its investigation of the events in 2008 that it was Georgia that “started an unjustified war” against Russia not the other way around! How does Congress get away with such blatant falsehoods? Do Members not even bother to read these resolutions before voting?
In paragraph 34 the resolution begins to even become comical, condemning the Russians for what it claims are attacks on computer networks of the United States and “illicitly acquiring information” about the US government. In the aftermath of the Snowden revelations about the level of US spying on the rest of the world, how can the US claim the moral authority to condemn such actions in others?
Chillingly, the resolution singles out Russian state-funded media outlets for attack, claiming that they “distort public opinion.” The US government, of course, spends billions of dollars worldwide to finance and sponsor media outlets including Voice of America and RFE/RL, as well as to subsidize “independent” media in countless counties overseas. How long before alternative information sources like RT are banned in the United States? This legislation brings us closer to that unhappy day when the government decides the kind of programming we can and cannot consume – and calls such a violation “freedom.”
The resolution gives the green light (paragraph 45) to Ukrainian President Poroshenko to re-start his military assault on the independence-seeking eastern provinces, urging the “disarming of separatist and paramilitary forces in eastern Ukraine.” Such a move will mean many more thousands of dead civilians.
To that end, the resolution directly involves the US government in the conflict by calling on the US president to “provide the government of Ukraine with lethal and non-lethal defense articles, services, and training required to effectively defend its territory and sovereignty.” This means US weapons in the hands of US-trained military forces engaged in a hot war on the border with Russia. Does that sound at all like a good idea?
There are too many more ridiculous and horrific statements in this legislation to completely discuss. Probably the single most troubling part of this resolution, however, is the statement that “military intervention” by the Russian Federation in Ukraine “poses a threat to international peace and security.” Such terminology is not an accident: this phrase is the poison pill planted in this legislation from which future, more aggressive resolutions will follow. After all, if we accept that Russia is posing a “threat” to international peace how can such a thing be ignored? These are the slippery slopes that lead to war.
This dangerous legislation passed today, December 4, with only ten (!) votes against! Only ten legislators are concerned over the use of blatant propaganda and falsehoods to push such reckless saber-rattling toward Russia.
Here are the Members who voted “NO” on this legislation. If you do not see your own Representative on this list call and ask why they are voting to bring us closer to war with Russia! If you do see your Representative on the below list, call and thank him or her for standing up to the warmongers.
Voting “NO” on H. Res. 758:
1) Justin Amash (R-MI)
2) John Duncan (R-TN)
3) Alan Grayson, (D-FL)
4) Alcee Hastings (D-FL)
5) Walter Jones (R-NC)
6) Thomas Massie (R-KY)
7) Jim McDermott (D-WA)
8 George Miller (D-CA)
9) Beto O’Rourke (D-TX)
10 Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA)
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The IMF Just Entered The Cold War, Forgives Ukraine's Debt To Russia
Zero Hedge - 11 hours ago
Russia's Putin threatens Ukraine with court over $3 billion debt
Reuters - 9 hours ago
Putin orders Finance Ministry to sue Ukraine over unpaid debt
RT.com - 12 hours ago
WTf