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Conca, Ellis 'didn't stand up' says Hardwick
Michael Whiting
afl.com.au
March 16, 2014 12:45 AM
A DISAPPOINTED Damien Hardwick has pointed the finger at Richmond's second-tier midfielders as a major reason for Saturday night's loss against Gold Coast.
After trailing by 21 points late in the first quarter, the Tigers battled hard to take the lead early in the last before again relinquishing it for good.
They had more disposals (406-374), won the clearances (47-30) and had more inside 50s (58-48), but created eight less scoring shots.
Hardwick said poor ball use in the forward half was the major reason, and he did not spare his young mids.
"The disappointing thing for us is our second-tier mids that didn't stand up," Hardwick said.
"I thought I'd get more out of Reece Conca and Brandon Ellis and unfortunately they didn't quite lift their game to the standard that was required.
"You look at guys for them such as (Dion) Prestia had a good game, (Michael) Rischitelli as well."
Conca had 23 disposals and eight clearances, while Ellis was much quieter with 16 touches.
It was left to class duo Trent Cotchin (37) and Brett Deledio (33) to shoulder most of the load.
Hardwick was also upset with his tall forwards who failed to capitalise with the glut of opportunities.
He said Jack Riewoldt (one goal) and Ty Vickery (two goals) were "well below their best", but cut them some slack with the poor service.
"I thought our ball use inside 50 wasn't to its usual standard. We've got to work on that and rectify that before our round two clash," he said.
"I thought we were a six out of 10 tonight. Take nothing away from Gold Coast, their pressure was terrific, they're a much-improved side, we've just got to play a hell of a lot better than what we dished up tonight."
Touted as top-eight – and potential top-four – aspirants prior to the season, Hardwick said the first-up defeat was no more significant than any other.
"It's disappointing to lose, regardless of whether it's round one or round two. We hate losing footy games," he said.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-03-16/coach-report-damien-hardwick
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stuff off idiot.
Go bk to Essendon
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Richmond coach Damien Hardwick says Tigers need more from Jack Riewoldt, Ty Vickery
Greg Davis
The Courier-Mail
March 15, 2014 11:28PM
DISAPPOINTED Richmond coach Damien Hardwick rated his side’s performance a “six out of 10’’ but singled out key forwards Jack Riewoldt and Ty Vickery as “relatively poor”.
He also said second-tier midfielders Reece Conca and Brandon Ellis needed to improve to support A-listers Trent Cotchin and Brett Deledio.
Riewoldt kicked one goal from five kicks and Vickery two goals from eight kicks. The pair took seven marks between them as the Tigers struggled to hit targets up forward.
“We just didn’t make the most of opportunities inside 50. The reality is if you don’t make the most of your opportunities, they get a couple the other way … which put the nail in our coffin,’’ Hardwick said.
“Our ball use inside 50 wasn’t to it’s usual standard.
“Overall it just wasn’t clicking for us tonight.
“I thought I’d get more out of Reece Conca and Brandon Ellis today but unfortunately they just didn’t quite lift their game to the standard that was required.
“It was one of those games … it was a genuine arm-wrestle.
“We just have to play a hell of a lot better than what we dished up tonight.
“It’s disappointing to lose regardless of whether it’s Round 1 or Round 2, we hate losing footy games, make no mistake about it.’’
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-says-tigers-need-more-stuff-riewoldt-ty-vickery/story-fni5f9jb-1226855911419
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Richmond coach blames midfielders and forwards
Andrew Stafford
The Age
March 16, 2014
Damien Hardwick has long had a reputation as a straight shooter, and he didn't miss when he turned the torch on his players after Richmond was beaten in its round one clash against Gold Coast.
Asked about the performances of his leaders Trent Cotchin and Brent Deledio, who were both outstanding, Hardwick quietly but firmly put the acid on their teammates to lift, and he wasn't afraid to name names.
"The disappointing thing for us second-tier mids didn't stand up," he said. "I thought we'd get more out of Reece Conca and Brandon Ellis today, but unfortunately they just didn't lift their game to the standard that was required. Whereas for [the Suns] guys such as Prestia had a good game, Rischitelli as well."
The forwards weren't spared, either. "I thought Jack [Riewoldt] was well below his best. As was Ty Vickery.
"We just didn't make the most of our opportunities inside 50. I think the count in the last quarter was 21 inside-50s to nine, and we were probably attacking pretty hard. But, as tends to happen, the reality is if you don't make the most of your opportunities they [go] the other way.
"We were probably a six out of 10 tonight. Take nothing away from Gold Coast – their pressure was terrific, they're a much improved side; we've just got to play a hell of a lot better than what we've dished up tonight."
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/richmond-coach-blames-midfielders-and-forwards-20140316-34uq9.html
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Hardwick goes on about ball use inside 50
Word of advice
Play in front and it's not an issue
Vickery and Jack lead to the ball for most of the night by there opponents
Footy isn't a hard game to play boys
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I didn't think Ellis was too bad. Vickers frustrated everybody by constantly being behind his opponent and failing to take a clean grab
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Blames Ellis and Conca
What about Shane Titch Tambling
Biggest spud going around that bloke
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impressive performance by our sub when he came on with fresh legs.... missed matty white big time
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Hardwick goes on about ball use inside 50
Word of advice
Play in front and it's not an issue
Vickery and Jack lead to the ball for most of the night by there opponents
Footy isn't a hard game to play boys
:clapping Ellis was very disappointing as was Jack & Ty. Conca at least cracked in hard got clearances and tackled.
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Ellis has got ahead of himself over pre season
Thinks he is now a rock star
Please
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I only got to see the last quarter but it seemed like all we did was bomb
It to a contest in our forward fifty that we were outnumbered in, our players would go to ground and gc would stand up and hurt us on the rebound. Outrun us. So painful to watch
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Good to see you practising again Dr Jack
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Ellis has got ahead of himself over pre season
Thinks he is now a rock star
Please
Reckon you might be onto something there Jack.
Wouldn't be the first young player to lose the plot when they are made one of the face of the club
Ellis is front and square with the membership campaign and the kids membership thing, taken over from Cotch
Thought Ellis was poor last night
He's one of the 8 I'd stuff for rd 2 but he's a Dimma favourite so he won't be
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The fact he's cutting Vickery some slack after THAT performance speaks volumes
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I said Ellis had a crap pre season and looks like he has carried it into the season proper.
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Delivery into the forward line was poor, but they were also delivering it into a forward line where there was no movement, playing from behind, hiding in the forward pocket.
Major focus should be on our forward line structure this season.
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We have that many forwards to choose from it's amazing we can't find one or two to stand up!
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We have that many forwards to choose from it's amazing we can't find one or two to stand up!
Comes down to coaching I think, I agree
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We have that many forwards to choose from it's amazing we can't find one or two to stand up!
That's the point you hit it on the head. I reckon though it means, because we do have quite a few, no harm in dropping them to get them to find form in the seconds and let them fight for those positions.
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I said Ellis had a crap pre season and looks like he has carried it into the season proper.
Ellis wasn't too bad, wasn't in our worst 6-7 imo. Did some nice things just faded in the 2nd half and didn't get enough of it. Conca I just don't get the criticism. He's coming back from a major injury and missed a fair bit of preseason, he was in amongst it most of the night and did plenty of hard stuff laying tackles, bumps. What about untouchable Newman? As a "leader" this guy never ever stands up when the heat intensifies, goes missing. Vickery and Jack don't know how to lead up the ground and give our mids a bloody target. They just sit 60 metres away calling for the ball over their opponents head
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Delivery into the forward line was poor, but they were also delivering it into a forward line where there was no movement, playing from behind, hiding in the forward pocket.
Major focus should be on our forward line structure this season.
Exactly
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All Edwards did wrong in the pre-season was be inaccurate. At least he was getting it to have shots on goal. I think he was the wrong person to drop.
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I said Ellis had a crap pre season and looks like he has carried it into the season proper.
Ellis wasn't too bad, wasn't in our worst 6-7 imo. Did some nice things just faded in the 2nd half and didn't get enough of it. Conca I just don't get the criticism. He's coming back from a major injury and missed a fair bit of preseason, he was in amongst it most of the night and did plenty of hard stuff laying tackles, bumps. What about untouchable Newman? As a "leader" this guy never ever stands up when the heat intensifies, goes missing. Vickery and Jack don't know how to lead up the ground and give our mids a bloody target. They just sit 60 metres away calling for the ball over their opponents head
amazing when Griffiths went off we had zero targets. Who would have thought that? He was the only one presenting Dimma and you sub him out. We had these pricks when we hit the front. Had them. But we had no one to kick to. We smashed them in nearly every category. Unfortunately that included "number of KPFs who play from behind and don't lead"
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I said Ellis had a crap pre season and looks like he has carried it into the season proper.
Ellis wasn't too bad, wasn't in our worst 6-7 imo. Did some nice things just faded in the 2nd half and didn't get enough of it. Conca I just don't get the criticism. He's coming back from a major injury and missed a fair bit of preseason, he was in amongst it most of the night and did plenty of hard stuff laying tackles, bumps. What about untouchable Newman? As a "leader" this guy never ever stands up when the heat intensifies, goes missing. Vickery and Jack don't know how to lead up the ground and give our mids a bloody target. They just sit 60 metres away calling for the ball over their opponents head
agree that ellis wasnt toobad but did want more out of him.
pettard was poor i reckon
cant see what you could get outof conca. 23 touches, 8 clearance and 8 tackles (most in the team) and was in amongst it.
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I think the other clubs are working out that he is an important link man that can hurt them and are trying to blanket him more.
Of course they leave Grigg alone as he rarely hurts the opposition.
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This is the perfect time for Griffiths to be shoved into FF & become a very serviceable player. l beleive if he is not given the chance he may as well look at going to another club. Our forward line needs a huge change. Shane Edwards needs to be banished to the reserves & not return until he is placed in the best players 5 weeks in a row. They did it to Tuck & Bowden for punishment & l seriously think this guy is not a worthy AFL player until he puts games together. 2006 & he has produced nothing. We need a killer HFF & we let him go in Dmac so the club needs to find another player like that or talk him back to the club. He was drafted for that role & we need a player like him to break lines & tackle hard. last night was no doubt the worst game l have ever watched ever. If the Suns had kicked better we would have looked 10 times as bad & the media would have raped us. Astbury plays the man & not the ball. Get rid of him. The backline is the worst ever
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one other thing l forgot to mention is Vickery doing what Rewoldt has been doing the past years & berating his players while his opponant is running away thinking of the next play. NO FORWARD PRESSURE at all. that alone is one of the biggest factors in AFL football today. NO WORK RATE. Drop Vickery until he is in the Reserves best 5 weeks in a row.
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Conca, Ellis 'didn't stand up' says Hardwick
Michael Whiting
afl.com.au
March 16, 2014 12:45 AM
"I thought our ball use inside 50 wasn't to its usual standard. We've got to work on that and rectify that before our round two clash," he said.
"I thought we were a six out of 10 tonight. Take nothing away from Gold Coast, their pressure was terrific, they're a much-improved side, we've just got to play a hell of a lot better than what we dished up tonight."
Touted as top-eight – and potential top-four – aspirants prior to the season, Hardwick said the first-up defeat was no more significant than any other.
"It's disappointing to lose, regardless of whether it's round one or round two. We hate losing footy games," he said.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-03-16/coach-report-damien-hardwick
You've got to be kidding!!!!
It's this sort of mediocre rhetoric that keeps a team from finals!!!!!
It wasn't an acceptable standard. Not even close!
6/10 was a pass mark when I was at school and when I last read the score WE LOST!
What we dished up was unacceptable!
We were flaccid, disinterested and SOFT!
We were slow, disorganized and SOFT!
We were fumbling, unskilled and SOFT!
That sort of B.S. might be a reason why there is rejoicing over 1 finals appearance in over 10 years only to be defeated by an enemy that wasn't supposed to be there in the first place. (Don't get me started)
Accepting mediocrity like this and we will be rebuilding in 2 years. Only because it will take them another 2 years to recognize they are kidding themselves.
RAISE THE BAR!
LIFT THE STANDARD!
SUFFER WHEN YOU LOSE!
NEVER BE SATISFIED!
DESIRE PERFECTION!
....and never rate a loss anything more than 0 out of 10.
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Naming hardly shaming for Damien Hardwick
Rohan Connolly
The Age
March 18, 2014
Coaches can't win sometimes. Fail to bring out the big stick after a disappointing team performance and they'll cop criticism for being too soft. But cut to the chase and they'll get a whack for demeaning their players.
Which was the sort of stuff Richmond coach Damien Hardwick was receiving on Monday after singling out a couple of younger Tigers and a more experienced pair after his team's first-up loss to Gold Coast at Metricon Stadium.
In the annals of coaching public sprays what Hardwick had to say after the game would be lucky to rank in the top 100. In fact, all he did was nod his agreement with observations anyone watching the game could have made. Namely, that their senior midfield core of Trent Cotchin, Brett Deledio and Dustin Martin didn't get enough support. And that Richmond's forward line didn't exactly live up to its potential.
"The disappointing thing for us – second-tier mids didn't stand up," he said. "I thought we'd get more out of Reece Conca and Brandon Ellis today, but unfortunately they just didn't lift their game to the standard that was required. Whereas for [the Suns] guys such as Prestia had a good game, Rischitelli as well."
It seemed pretty tame stuff. And nothing that the players named wouldn't freely concede if they were being honest with themselves. But there were enough learned football judges for whom it raised the eyebrows.
Former Hawthorn champion Dermott Brereton was just one who felt Hardwick shouldn't have actually named the players. "I'm not big on singling players out," Brereton said on SEN. "I'm big on that within a team environment, but then it's about presenting a united front."
But did what Hardwick say really leave his charges embarrassed or humiliated? Is the mere observation that two players haven't played to the level their side needs, a conclusion any supporter with yellow-and-black blood would have reached, a cause for consternation?
It was hardly a stunning revelation, particularly given the Tigers have all summer spoken about the need for the younger brigade of Conca, Ellis and Nick Vlastuin to get on board the midfield train if Richmond is to advance its cause as a potential top-four contender.
As for the forward line, just six goals to three-quarter-time was a long way short of a competitive tally. Jack Riewoldt's nine disposals, three marks and 1.2 was poor, and Ty Vickery, not for the first time, raised questions about whether he has sufficient class or nous to hold down a key forward post in a side that aspires to much more than the odd token finals appearance.
Not surprising then that Hardwick observed: "I thought Jack was well below his best, as was Ty Vickery.'' Boy, stop the presses! That's eyebrow raising? What would those critics make of something on the scale of former Adelaide coach Malcolm Blight's legendary "pathetic [David] Pittman" comment back in 1997.
Is a coach now not even allowed to remark that a player was below his best? Or is AFL now at the stage of some junior so-called competitive sport, where everyone has to emerge with some sort of pat on the back?
You can argue about whether Riewoldt's use further up the ground at times is to the benefit of the side, or whether a Coleman medallist should be used as a forward-50 target just three times in a game compared with Vickery's 14.
But a player of eight years, 135 games and 321 goals' experience should be depended upon for more than Riewoldt served up on Saturday night. He knows it, Hardwick knows it, and so did the fans watching. Any reference to the forward line makes it obvious Hardwick is talking at least in part about his gun spearhead. As if we're not all capable of filling in the blanks.
Richmond and its coach have rightly set the bar higher these past couple of seasons. Last year, Hardwick refused to shy away from the expectation his side would play finals. Perhaps this season it's about demanding a certain minimum standard from key members of his team. That's his right, as long as the criticism isn't personal.
Hardwick's wasn't. It referred only to some less-than-sparkling performances in one game of football. And if he isn't given the leeway to even do that, how can his players be expected to develop thick enough skins to be consistent parts of the action at the top end of the ladder?
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/naming-hardly-shaming-stuff-20140317-hvjqi.html
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I don't mind Dimma coming out and naming players that had bad games but IMO he got out coached again.
It's only one game and hopefully we come out against The Blues and show a hell of a lot more. I'm just scared that Hardwick being so pigheaded he refuses to admit that he has got things wrong. He goes into a game with a plan but if it's not working he is to stubborn to change it. We all say he has no plan B but IMO he is just stubborn!
There is a difference between not going to Jack all the time but to move him completely away from goal is just dumb. Dimma played Jack as a half forward on the weekend, what half forward is ever dominate?
Playing Vickory at FF all night again was dumb, as bad as Vickory was, the kicking to him was equally as bad.
But the biggest mistake Dimma is making is Dusty off halfback. He is our most dynamic player and our biggest X factor but Dimma thinks we need to teach him to be more defensive?? If the halfback roll is so important play Lids there and be done with it.
I seriously would love to wipe that stupid grin of Hardwicks face sometimes!
Don't be so f;)king pigheaded Dimma and admit you have made some huge mistake with some of our stars.
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when hardwick gave reasons for playing martin off half back, teaching him to be more defensive wasn't one of them.
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I actually think the idea has merit IF you are utilising Dusty's strengths; one of which happens to be his long kicking.
Having him on the HBF and seeing him chipping it around from one stuff to the other is not taking advantage of his strengths. Actully the opposition would loving it as it isn't hurting them and it gives them time to set up a wall
If you can get the runners actually bloody running HARD and have him deliver it long to a player in space then it works but chipping, zipping and having him playing kick to kick to kick with the others back is the waste IMHO
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impressive performance by our sub when he came on with fresh legs.... missed matty white big time
we will rue the day they traded matty, in fact I rue it now!!!
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impressive performance by our sub when he came on with fresh legs.... missed matty white big time
we will rue the day they traded matty, in fact I rue it now!!!
If we had traded him ...yeah .... but we didn't trade him
He left under Free Agency (which was his right) and we got zilch in return
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I actually think the idea has merit IF you are utilising Dusty's strengths; one of which happens to be his long kicking.
Having him on the HBF and seeing him chipping it around from one stuff to the other is not taking advantage of his strengths. Actully the opposition would loving it as it isn't hurting them and it gives them time to set up a wall
If you can get the runners actually bloody running HARD and have him deliver it long to a player in space then it works but chipping, zipping and having him playing kick to kick to kick with the others back is the waste IMHO
This was one of the most glaring things I saw. I saw dusty and griffiths chipping is around when they should be roosting it 60M over the heads of the zone. All it does if gives time to get players back and fill holes in front of our fowards. What a waste the skills of these players. It also looked like Jack and Vickery were expecting it to be roosted over heads as they were playing from behind. That said this tatic might not work if you dont go in with any true small fowards. To be honest I thought we drafted to fix this problem and them we dont play a single one. Dont get that.
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This was one of the most glaring things I saw. I saw dusty and griffiths chipping is around when they should be roosting it 60M over the heads of the zone. All it does if gives time to get players back and fill holes in front of our fowards. What a waste the skills of these players. It also looked like Jack and Vickery were expecting it to be roosted over heads as they were playing from behind. That said this tatic might not work if you dont go in with any true small fowards. To be honest I thought we drafted to fix this problem and them we dont play a single one. Dont get that.
Agree
Reckon alot of us were left either doing this :huh3 or :banghead with some of the selections and or moves (or lack of moves) last week
With probably this :banghead being a fair way ahead
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Agree
Reckon alot of us were left either doing this :huh3 or :banghead with some of the selections and or moves (or lack of moves) last week
With probably this :banghead being a fair way ahead
Ok so it seems we can all see it. That being the case you'd hope the coaches can too. Will they have the cohunas to realise they've got it all wrong and sort it out before it's too late and we're zip and 4 ?
Dusty back to the mid/fwd
Newy back to defence/bench
Jack to FF
Oh and Petterd to the magoos
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you seriously want newman back to defence?
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Hardwick basically admitted that subbing griffiths off instead of vickery was a mistake.
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Hardwick basically admitted that subbing griffiths off instead of vickery was a mistake.
what did he say? I haven't heard or seen anything
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Hardwick basically admitted that subbing griffiths off instead of vickery was a mistake.
He did :huh
Haven't read or heard that anywhere
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Hardwick basically admitted that subbing griffiths off instead of vickery was a mistake.
He did :huh
Haven't read or heard that anywhere
I emailed and told him so! :shh
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impressive performance by our sub when he came on with fresh legs.... missed matty white big time
we will rue the day they traded matty, in fact I rue it now!!!
If we had traded him ...yeah .... but we didn't trade him
He left under Free Agency (which was his right) and we got zilch in return
Blame conca passenger
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Hardwick basically admitted that subbing griffiths off instead of vickery was a mistake.
He did :huh
Haven't read or heard that anywhere
secret video he sent me a link to....
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Hardwick basically admitted that subbing griffiths off instead of vickery was a mistake.
He did :huh
Haven't read or heard that anywhere
secret video he sent me a link to....
Arrrrrrrrrrgh the email I got this morning... "Dimma's Dissection"
Deleted it maybe I should have watched it first ;D
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impressive performance by our sub when he came on with fresh legs.... missed matty white big time
we will rue the day they traded matty, in fact I rue it now!!!
If we had traded him ...yeah .... but we didn't trade him
He left under Free Agency (which was his right) and we got zilch in return
This is true. However, he left to pursue greater opportunities, no doubt rightfully disgruntled at only being selected occasionally and usually as the sub. That we could under resource someone of his speed and endurance is an indictment on the same football department that automatically selects Grigg every week.
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Yeah now Matt white was a champion ::)
FFS
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Not a champ.
But had a great 2013. Excellent use as a sub.
Fast. Tougher than the likes of Petterd and Grigg.
All B-grade players but I like my B-graders with big nuts so they can at least offset their crap skills with some physicality.
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Never said he was a champion. But he's already shown that he will be a handy contributor for Port, and I'd have him in our team ahead of one or two blokes who are still getting a regular gig they don't deserve.
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Not a champ.
But had a great 2013. Excellent use as a sub.
Fast. Tougher than the likes of Petterd and Grigg.
All B-grade players but I like my B-graders with big nuts so they can at least offset their crap skills with some physicality.
Spot on.
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impressive performance by our sub when he came on with fresh legs.... missed matty white big time
lol at this. did you see matt whites game for port. it was typical very little ball and very little polish but geez hes quick.
we dont miss matt white we miss pllayers who can kick well run hard both ways find enough of the ball and make good decisions. you know most of the basics you expect in mids. things matt white lacks in imo and has shown for yrs on end to lack in em.
retaining mediocre players is not going to help us, in white we got rid of one or more to the point he walked.
white was a part of the problem. we have plenty still who are part of the problem. its been shown time and again teams can carry few glass half fulls and those they do carry had better bring something darn good to the table.
ffs a very deficient player in thomas a player i dont rate showed more and produced more in his first game for us than anything white had done in 7yrs. that shows just how easy it is to upgrade some of these hacks.