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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Francois Jackson on July 18, 2014, 07:51:48 AM
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27 Aussies dead
Time for America to step in and finish em all off
This is terrible
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terrible yes but if the US gets involved then we will be on the verge of WW3 and the whole world will be up poo creek.
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27 Aussies dead
Time for America to step in and finish em all off
This is terrible
who
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The rebels Judge. Who are they to control air space, assuming they are at fault.
Na im all the americans stepping up to the plate. Ramps they need to now you cant have civilian airliners going down. they cant get away with it
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america v russia war is worst possible outcome.
The doomsday clock – a theoretical device that purports to tell us how close we are to a nuclear apocalypse – has frozen at five minutes to midnight, unchanged from last year. Physicists tell the head of the UN there is little reason to move it back http://rt.com/news/doomsday-clock-nuclear-conflict-626/
in other happy news the IDF has invaded Gaza over night
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Putin was in the air at around the same time ... it is possible someone thought this was his plane
Route crashed plane took:
http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/53c80549eab8ea4401a32dc0-790-433/screen%20shot%202014-07-17%20at%201.17.15%20pm.png
“I can say that Putin’s plane and the Malaysian Boeing intersected at the same point and the same echelon. That was close to Warsaw on 330-m echelon at the height of 10,100 meters. The presidential jet was there at 16:21 Moscow time and the Malaysian aircraft - 15:44 Moscow time,” a source told the news agency on condition of anonymity.
"The contours of the aircrafts are similar, linear dimensions are also very similar, as for the coloring, at a quite remote distance they are almost identical", the source added.
Source: RT http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/
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Its an old time war tactic IMHO, I reckon the Ukrainians shot it down hoping to blame it on the Russians and for the US to step forward to save them. The Ukrainians can get stuffed if they shot it down there a bunch or arseholes anyway
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Is Russia responsible for separatists in the Ukraine though? Heard the transcript of the rebel's communications following the incident this morning. If it is indeed real then they've put their foot in it.
If there are repercussions though then Ukraine will be wiped off the map. Risk of nuclear war is too great and conflicts would be isolated to Russian territories and points of interest like the Crimea and Ossetia. I just expect a lot of posturing and some trade embargoes.
Then again, the final triggers for WW1 was an assassination and WW2 was a false flag operation.
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Na im all the americans stepping up to the plate.
Cause that's worked so well in the past.
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Na im all the americans stepping up to the plate.
Cause that's worked so well in the past.
yeah true it was them who knocked down the twin towers
nothing wrong with america getting involved buddy wake up
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yeah true it was them who knocked down the twin towers
What are you talking about?
Are you saying the separatists in Ukraine are now responsible for 9/11? :-\
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yeah true it was them who knocked down the twin towers
What are you talking about?
Are you saying the separatists in Ukraine are now responsible for 9/11? :-\
was being sarcastic to magic's comment who was having a subtle dig at the americans.
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Na im all the americans stepping up to the plate.
Cause that's worked so well in the past.
yeah true it was them who knocked down the twin towers
nothing wrong with america getting involved buddy wake up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVCDpL4Ax7I :gobdrop
The Collapse of Building Seven – 9/11
By Charlotte Atkinson / July 17, 2014 / 3 Comments
The Collapse of Building Seven
Building seven was a 47 storey tower, which collapsed just seven hours after the twin towers, however this building was not hit by a plane. How exactly did this tower collapse?
The investigators of the National Institute of Standard and Technology, located near Washington DC, said fires on several different floors caused the collapse of building seven. This would make it the first and only steel skyscraper in the world to collapse because of a fire. Conspiracy theorists argue that the tower was brought down in a controlled demolition.
National Institute of Standard and Technology lead investigator, Dr Shyam Sunder said, “Our working hypothesis now actually suggests that it was Twin Towersnormal building fires that were growing and spreading throughout the multiple floors that have caused the ultimate collapse of the buildings”.
However, a group of architects, engineers and scientists say the official explanation that fires caused the collapse of building seven is impossible. Architects and engineers for 9/11 Truth argue that there must have been a controlled demolition. Founder of the group, Richard Gage says it’s an obvious example of a controlled demolition using explosives. “Building Seven is the smoking gun of 9/11. A sixth grader can look at this building falling at virtually free-fall speed, symmetrically and smoothly, and see that it is not a natural process. Buildings that fall in natural processes fall to the path of least resistance. They don’t go straight down through themselves”.
Investigators have made four extremely complex computer models worked out to the finest detail to figure out the mystery of the collapse of building seven, as there is no steel to study. They believe the fires burnt long enough to weaken and break the connections that held the steel structure together.
The collapse of building seven is said to be caused by uncontrollable fires. What are your views? Comment belo
- See more at: http://consettmagazine.com/blog/2014/07/17/the-collapse-of-building-seven-911/#sthash.bvaaxY21.dpuf
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Na im all the americans stepping up to the plate.
Cause that's worked so well in the past.
yeah true it was them who knocked down the twin towers
nothing wrong with america getting involved buddy wake up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVCDpL4Ax7I :gobdrop
The Collapse of Building Seven – 9/11
By Charlotte Atkinson / July 17, 2014 / 3 Comments
The Collapse of Building Seven
Building seven was a 47 storey tower, which collapsed just seven hours after the twin towers, however this building was not hit by a plane. How exactly did this tower collapse?
The investigators of the National Institute of Standard and Technology, located near Washington DC, said fires on several different floors caused the collapse of building seven. This would make it the first and only steel skyscraper in the world to collapse because of a fire. Conspiracy theorists argue that the tower was brought down in a controlled demolition.
National Institute of Standard and Technology lead investigator, Dr Shyam Sunder said, “Our working hypothesis now actually suggests that it was Twin Towersnormal building fires that were growing and spreading throughout the multiple floors that have caused the ultimate collapse of the buildings”.
However, a group of architects, engineers and scientists say the official explanation that fires caused the collapse of building seven is impossible. Architects and engineers for 9/11 Truth argue that there must have been a controlled demolition. Founder of the group, Richard Gage says it’s an obvious example of a controlled demolition using explosives. “Building Seven is the smoking gun of 9/11. A sixth grader can look at this building falling at virtually free-fall speed, symmetrically and smoothly, and see that it is not a natural process. Buildings that fall in natural processes fall to the path of least resistance. They don’t go straight down through themselves”.
Investigators have made four extremely complex computer models worked out to the finest detail to figure out the mystery of the collapse of building seven, as there is no steel to study. They believe the fires burnt long enough to weaken and break the connections that held the steel structure together.
The collapse of building seven is said to be caused by uncontrollable fires. What are your views? Comment belo
- See more at: http://consettmagazine.com/blog/2014/07/17/the-collapse-of-building-seven-911/#sthash.bvaaxY21.dpuf
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Interesting link Judge and its quite obvious that it was a controlled demolition of building 7 based on the very clear evidence in the video.
Would like to chat about this in a more appropriate thread as its a bit off topic for this one.
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judge Tiga please don't tell me you believe all that illumanati crap.
Whackjob websites
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judge Tiga please don't tell me you believe all that illumanati crap.
Whackjob websites
Angus, I'm not usually into conspiracy theories but even using my basic physics skills from school you can tell that building 7 is not a building that collapsed due to Fire.
Taking away all the crap about CIA and Al -Qaeda and US government, this building quite clearly fell in a process of demolition and not fire.
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judge Tiga please don't tell me you believe all that illumanati crap.
Whackjob websites
The government has proposed fake terrorism attacks to gain public support [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods ], use mind control on its own population [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra ] and poison its people [ http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2010/02/the_chemists_war.html ].
Fact is stranger than fiction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IJeemTQ7Vk I am not smart or articulate enough to answer your question properly. so: ( http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/everything-is-rigged-the-biggest-financial-scandal-yet-20130425 / http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libor_scandal ) I also believe the federal reserve is a private bank in all the country bar Iran, NKorea and Cuba.
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I blame the Jews....
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"If these are Russian ggroups, with Russia weapons doing this, then we need to react..."
Hang on. What about American weapons and American backed "groups" worldwide :-\
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27 Aussies dead
Time for America to step in and finish em all off
This is terrible
why
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27 Aussies dead
Time for America to step in and finish em all off
This is terrible
what is the relevance of the number of Australians on board? 300 odd people died, each and every one with friends and relatives that will grieve their loss.
Are the Australian lives more important than the others?
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27 Aussies dead
Time for America to step in and finish em all off
This is terrible
what is the relevance of the number of Australians on board? 300 odd people died, each and every one with friends and relatives that will grieve their loss.
Are the Australian lives more important than the others?
:thumbsup
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The Russians claiming they had nothing to do with this is a sick joke. Russian separatists with Russian military hardware senselessly shoot down a civilian aircraft killing 300 people. Nah, nothing to do with Russia ::).
The locals are sicko lowlife scum too. Going through suitcases amongst the debris and stealing from the dead >:(.
terrible yes but if the US gets involved then we will be on the verge of WW3 and the whole world will be up poo creek.
Yep there likely won't be any military response from the West. More likely the West will go down the sanctions route.
We should at least bar Putin from attending the G20 conference.
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I agree on the sanctions route. The repercussions of Russia retaliating to someone like NATO going into Ukraine are too great. As bad as it is the best thing will be to just suck it up and accept the old bloc and caucasus regions are rooted again and to steer clear.
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Its an old time war tactic IMHO, I reckon the Ukrainians shot it down hoping to blame it on the Russians and for the US to step forward to save them. The Ukrainians can get stuffed if they shot it down there a bunch or behindholes anyway
That crossed my mind too in all honesty. The intercepted dialogue proving it was Russian separatists went viral very very quickly.
Hopefully we get to the bottom of it soon enough
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The Russians claiming they had nothing to do with this is a sick joke. Russian separatists with Russian military hardware senselessly shoot down a civilian aircraft killing 300 people. Nah, nothing to do with Russia ::).
I'd be very surprised if Moscow gave any sort of orders of that nature - that's just sick.
Don't America arm most nations on earth? In the Balkan war in the 90's nato forces were fighting the serbs and the serbs were armed by the yanks... just saying mt - selling arms is a massive trade for the yanks and russians
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27 Aussies dead
Time for America to step in and finish em all off
This is terrible
what is the relevance of the number of Australians on board? 300 odd people died, each and every one with friends and relatives that will grieve their loss.
Are the Australian lives more important than the others?
:thumbsup
yes thats what i meant stuff the rest of em just worry about the aussies. All the kids babies innocent lives lost stuff them all who cares its just about the aussies
Maybe i should have made it a bit clearer for albert that belligerent fool.
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The Russians claiming they had nothing to do with this is a sick joke. Russian separatists with Russian military hardware senselessly shoot down a civilian aircraft killing 300 people. Nah, nothing to do with Russia ::).
I'd be very surprised if Moscow gave any sort of orders of that nature - that's just sick.
Don't America arm most nations on earth? In the Balkan war in the 90's nato forces were fighting the serbs and the serbs were armed by the yanks... just saying mt - selling arms is a massive trade for the yanks and russians
I don't believe they had anything to do with it, but handing the rebels the equipment to carry it out is probably their doing.
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27 Aussies dead
Time for America to step in and finish em all off
This is terrible
what is the relevance of the number of Australians on board? 300 odd people died, each and every one with friends and relatives that will grieve their loss.
Are the Australian lives more important than the others?
:thumbsup
yes thats what i meant stuff the rest of em just worry about the aussies. All the kids babies innocent lives lost stuff them all who cares its just about the aussies
Maybe i should have made it a bit clearer for albert that belligerent fool.
you actually made it very clear for this belligerent fool, assuming you choose your words carefully, that is.
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Not that I'm forgiving the murderous act in any way, shape or form, Malaysian Airlines has to accept a degree of culpability also. Since the war started most international carriers chose to cease flying that path and diverted to new routes around the trouble. Malaysian, Singapore and a few other airlines continued to use it as it is the most economical route. Wonder if they think it was money well saved now? :'(
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Not that I'm forgiving the murderous act in any way, shape or form, Malaysian Airlines has to accept a degree of culpability also. Since the war started most international carriers chose to cease flying that path and diverted to new routes around the trouble. Malaysian, Singapore and a few other airlines continued to use it as it is the most economical route. Wonder if they think it was money well saved now? :'(
Interesting was talking about exactly the same thing to someone today. QANTAS, Delta & KLM Lufthansa to name 3 major airlines are refusing to fly in that airspace because of what's going on there and despite it being deemed to be "safe" to fly there. It would appear Maylasian Airlines have made a very poor error in judgement by putting $$ ahead of safety
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I heard somewhere it is considered safe to fly above 28,000 feet in those areas because the run-of-the-mill weapon your typical militia group has doesn't have that range.
The problem was those pricks had been armed with missile systems that only military would be expected to have.
Wonder where they got it from..........
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Hopefully the black box and flight data recorder haven't been retrieved and sent to Moscow and thus not compromise an independent report taking place.
Smells a lot like KAL 007 in 1983: nothing will really happen on Russia other than a few western sanctions as Russia has an automatic veto at the United Nations and just like the black box and report being given to the USA and Western World in 1991 after the fall of the Soviet Union, same may occur after Putin leaves office/ or Russia leaves the disputed zone in Ukraine voluntarily.
Cold War existed in 1983 and whilst nothing other than worldwide condemnation took place then the same will apply here. For Putin I don't think he gives a rats if his invitation to the G20 is revoked. After all he was a Lieutenant Colonel in the KGB and if anyone knows the art of deception its him.
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Not that I'm forgiving the murderous act in any way, shape or form, Malaysian Airlines has to accept a degree of culpability also. Since the war started most international carriers chose to cease flying that path and diverted to new routes around the trouble. Malaysian, Singapore and a few other airlines continued to use it as it is the most economical route. Wonder if they think it was money well saved now? :'(
Interesting was talking about exactly the same thing to someone today. QANTAS, Delta & KLM to name 3 major airlines are refusing to fly in that airspace because of what's going on there and despite it being deemed to be "safe" to fly there. It would appear Maylasian Airlines have made a very poor error in judgement by putting $$ ahead of safety
After seeing the images from flightradar on here it makes it hard to understand why they went through instead of around like every other airliner has done.
http://m.couriermail.com.au/news/airlines-including-qantas-quit-flying-over-ukraine-airspace-months-ago/story-fniztvng-1226993758257
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The Russians claiming they had nothing to do with this is a sick joke. Russian separatists with Russian military hardware senselessly shoot down a civilian aircraft killing 300 people. Nah, nothing to do with Russia ::).
I'd be very surprised if Moscow gave any sort of orders of that nature - that's just sick.
Don't America arm most nations on earth? In the Balkan war in the 90's nato forces were fighting the serbs and the serbs were armed by the yanks... just saying mt - selling arms is a massive trade for the yanks and russians
I don't believe they had anything to do with it, but handing the rebels the equipment to carry it out is probably their doing.
I'm not saying TM the Russians ordered the shooting down of foreign jet liners but the Russians support this separate movement in eastern Ukraine in every way. They even have Russian troops on standby across the border. It's more than selling arms. Any territory gained by these separatists will gladly be absorbed by Putin into Russia just like Crimea.
As someone else mentioned, your ordinary local rebel militia don't have access to Russian-made BUKs nor the training to use them. They're not something your can learn to use without advanced training.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsxmEGRIQAAH0WQ.jpg)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system
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Not that I'm forgiving the murderous act in any way, shape or form, Malaysian Airlines has to accept a degree of culpability also. Since the war started most international carriers chose to cease flying that path and diverted to new routes around the trouble. Malaysian, Singapore and a few other airlines continued to use it as it is the most economical route. Wonder if they think it was money well saved now? :'(
Interesting was talking about exactly the same thing to someone today. QANTAS, Delta & KLM to name 3 major airlines are refusing to fly in that airspace because of what's going on there and despite it being deemed to be "safe" to fly there. It would appear Maylasian Airlines have made a very poor error in judgement by putting $$ ahead of safety
After seeing the images from flightradar on here it makes it hard to understand why they went through instead of around like every other airliner has done.
http://m.couriermail.com.au/news/airlines-including-qantas-quit-flying-over-ukraine-airspace-months-ago/story-fniztvng-1226993758257
Makes it a bit obvious doesn't it!!
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Newspaper cartoonists aren't mincing their
words cartoons about who they think is to blame.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bs52Y5NIYAA2QsG.jpg)
https://twitter.com/rocshot/status/490459580439490560/photo/1
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apparently a growing body of evidence the plane was shot down by Kiev
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Does anyone know what happened to the crew of the US naval vessel which in the late 80s shot down an Iranian airliner by mistake.Were there prosecutions in that case?
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Does anyone know what happened to the crew of the US naval vessel which in the late 80s shot down an Iranian airliner by mistake.Were there prosecutions in that case?
The USA government 'awarded' medals for tour of duty... to the soldiers that shot down a civilian plane killing 66 children , 290 people. My understanding is they were not prosecuted as it was apparently an accident...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
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Well thats not right.
Civilian airlines shouldn't be shot down by an accident.
If they are using a grade military equipment surely they have the necessary intel that determines if it's a civilian aircraft.
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Na im all the americans stepping up to the plate.
Cause that's worked so well in the past.
yeah true it was them who knocked down the twin towers
nothing wrong with america getting involved buddy wake up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVCDpL4Ax7I :gobdrop
The Collapse of Building Seven – 9/11
By Charlotte Atkinson / July 17, 2014 / 3 Comments
The Collapse of Building Seven
Building seven was a 47 storey tower, which collapsed just seven hours after the twin towers, however this building was not hit by a plane. How exactly did this tower collapse?
The investigators of the National Institute of Standard and Technology, located near Washington DC, said fires on several different floors caused the collapse of building seven. This would make it the first and only steel skyscraper in the world to collapse because of a fire. Conspiracy theorists argue that the tower was brought down in a controlled demolition.
National Institute of Standard and Technology lead investigator, Dr Shyam Sunder said, “Our working hypothesis now actually suggests that it was Twin Towersnormal building fires that were growing and spreading throughout the multiple floors that have caused the ultimate collapse of the buildings”.
However, a group of architects, engineers and scientists say the official explanation that fires caused the collapse of building seven is impossible. Architects and engineers for 9/11 Truth argue that there must have been a controlled demolition. Founder of the group, Richard Gage says it’s an obvious example of a controlled demolition using explosives. “Building Seven is the smoking gun of 9/11. A sixth grader can look at this building falling at virtually free-fall speed, symmetrically and smoothly, and see that it is not a natural process. Buildings that fall in natural processes fall to the path of least resistance. They don’t go straight down through themselves”.
Investigators have made four extremely complex computer models worked out to the finest detail to figure out the mystery of the collapse of building seven, as there is no steel to study. They believe the fires burnt long enough to weaken and break the connections that held the steel structure together.
The collapse of building seven is said to be caused by uncontrollable fires. What are your views? Comment belo
- See more at: http://consettmagazine.com/blog/2014/07/17/the-collapse-of-building-seven-911/#sthash.bvaaxY21.dpuf
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Interesting link Judge and its quite obvious that it was a controlled demolition of building 7 based on the very clear evidence in the video.
Would like to chat about this in a more appropriate thread as its a bit off topic for this one.
No it's better to drop the coversation. Didn't you see the new kitten video on stuff? The me kardasihans is on tonight I bet it'll be great
(http://i.imgur.com/9T5hEmq.jpg)
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Does anyone know what happened to the crew of the US naval vessel which in the late 80s shot down an Iranian airliner by mistake.Were there prosecutions in that case?
The USA government 'awarded' medals for tour of duty... to the soldiers that shot down a civilian plane killing 66 children , 290 people. My understanding is they were not prosecuted as it was apparently an accident...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
Their hypocrisy knows no bounds..
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two wrongs dont make a right lads
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-21/russia-says-has-photos-ukraine-deploying-buk-missiles-east-rader-proof-warplanes-mh1
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I do like how Abbott and Bishop have handled this.
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I do like how Abbott and Bishop have handled this.
Of course you do.
:lol
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KUALA LUMPUR, July 18 — Malaysia Airlines (MAS) said tonight that it was told to fly low over Ukrainian airspace by ground controllers, putting it at 33,000 feet, just skimming 1,000 feet above restricted altitude.
In a statement here, MAS explained that MH17 had initially filed a flight plan requesting to fly at 35,000 feet above Ukrainian territory, which it described as close to the “optimum altitude”.
“However, an aircraft’s altitude in flight is determined by air traffic control on the ground.
“Upon entering Ukrainian airspace, MH17 was instructed by Ukrainian air traffic control to fly at 33,000 feet,” the national carrier said.
The decision by MH17’s pilots to skim closely to the prohibited air zone — which is 32,000 feet, according to Europe’s aviation authority Eurocontrol — has prompted numerous questions whether this may have contributed to what is believed to be a case of mistaken identity.
- See more at: http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/ukraine-traffic-controllers-instructed-mh17-to-fly-lower-mas-says#sthash.zimgxt8Y.dpuf
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Russia’s top 10 lies about downed Malaysia airliner
July 20, 2014
The tragic downing of a Malaysian passenger plane sent Putin’s elaborate propaganda machine into overdrive, ultimately causing it to unravel. The evidence points overwhelmingly at the terrorists, whose leaders are Russian citizens, current and former members of the Russian armed forces and FSB.
In the past, their presence on the frontlines alongside the terrorists in Ukraine provided valuable advantage to the Russian media outlets. They were typically the first on the scene, filming the footage that would be shown on Russian television in short order. This powerful sword of immediate access to live events finally cut the other way on July 17, 2014. Russian media and the terrorists themselves were caught red-handed in making numerous misrepresentations and outright fabrications, intended to override their own previous admissions.
Here is a collection of the most outrageous lies with respect to the shooting down of the Malaysia airliner:
http://www.examiner.com/list/russia-s-top-10-lies-about-downed-malaysia-airliner (http://www.examiner.com/list/russia-s-top-10-lies-about-downed-malaysia-airliner)
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Finally! The Russian military has decided to speak out about some of what it knows about what happened to MH17. It was a typical Russian event: the interpreters were nothing short of *terrible* (I speak as a former military interpreter myself), the visual aids were badly designed (the shape of a SU-24 bomber was used to represent a totally different SU-25 close air support aircraft), and there was no Q&A. See for yourself:
Still, a few very interesting things came out of this press conference.
First, the Ukies have been caught lying about their military aircraft in the area of the disaster. They had claimed that no UAF aircraft were in the area. The Russians have shown the recorded radar tracks which reveal the following: there was what appears to have been a military aircraft (with no transponder) flying below 5000m which suddenly began climbing just before MH17 was hit by some kind of missile. This unidentified aircraft then stayed and observed as MH17 fell to the ground. The Russians added that a SU-25 armed with a R-60 air to air missile could have shot down MH17. Maybe. But what is certain is that the civilian radars did detected this strange Ukie aircraft.
Now, these radar tracks are from *civilian* radars. The Russians apparently are not willing to share the data from their military radars. This is why this mysterious Ukie aircraft 'appears' at 5'000m altitude and then 'disappears' again, but you can be certain that their military radars, especially on their A-50 AWACs did track that aircraft before and after its strange maneuver. Again, I think that the Russians hope that the experts will come to the correct conclusions on the basis of what they have shown today and that they will not have to reveal more. But we can be certain that they have the full picture and that they know exactly what happened.
Second, the Russians are challenging their American colleagues to show the images they claim show the launch of the BukM1 rocket. They also point out at the interesting coincidence that an US experimental launch detection satellite was exactly over the area at the moment of the tragedy. Clearly, they are tossing the world experts some kind of lead here, but I am not sure what this is.
Third, the Russians have shown their own space-based imagery which shows that one battery of BukM1 had been moved just prior to the incident (See for yourself here). It will be interesting to see if the Ukies explain what is shown on these picture and, if yes, how?
As a public information this conference gets a C+ but as a lead for experts I would give it a much higher A-. We know have hard proof that the Ukies lied at least twice. They lied about the footage of the Buk missiles being moved back to Russia (the footage was taken in Ukie-occupied territory) and they most definitely lied when they denied having any military aircraft in the area when in reality they had one in the immediate proximity of MH17. That is a huge lie which the Ukies will have a very hard time dismissing.
As I said in my first post about MH17, I have no hope whatsoever that the western plutocracy will ever admit that the junta did it. Ditto for the corporate presstitues of the MSM, but I do hope that the world will see this tragedy for what is clearly was: a deliberate false flag on the part of the Nazi junta in Kiev. As David Chandler correctly points out about 9/11, the proof of a cover up is in itself already a proof of a conspiracy.
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com.au/2014/07/the-russian-military-finally-speaks.html
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I do like how Abbott and Bishop have handled this.
yep too right.
Tough and firm from the word go. Much better than Obama, the weakest president in living memory.
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Yeah what a limpgot should have nuked em
Tough talkin tony. Putin is shaking
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wanna impress me tony?
go there.
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I do like how Abbott and Bishop have handled this.
yep too right.
Tough and firm from the word go. Much better than Obama, the weakest president in living memory.
To be fair, the USA has to walk on egg shells regarding their relationship with the CCCP Russia, and the Netherlands and other involved euro nations in this situation must do the same due to their reliance on Russian gas. Australia has nothing to lose and it was good to see our lot go hard and speak up in front of the UN security council when everyone was too gutless to do so. I reckon Abbott jumped the gun early making stern public calls on Putin when all the facts weren't (and still aren't) on the table and getting us needlessly caught up in this sensitive Ukraine topic, but this time yielded what looks to be a great result. The Malaysian PM Razak must have been equally strong after being able to strike up a deal.
Putin knows his reputation, it is how he got to where he is. He also probably doesn't care as he is completely untouchable. No point banning him from any summits because he probably won't go anyway.
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Does anyone know what happened to the crew of the US naval vessel which in the late 80s shot down an Iranian airliner by mistake.Were there prosecutions in that case?
The USA government 'awarded' medals for tour of duty... to the soldiers that shot down a civilian plane killing 66 children , 290 people. My understanding is they were not prosecuted as it was apparently an accident...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
Their hypocrisy knows no bounds..
(http://i.imgur.com/QfAyFCH.jpg)
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I do like how Abbott and Bishop have handled this.
yep too right.
Tough and firm from the word go. Much better than Obama, the weakest president in living memory.
To be fair, the USA has to walk on egg shells regarding their relationship with the CCCP Russia, and the Netherlands and other involved euro nations in this situation must do the same due to their reliance on Russian gas. Australia has nothing to lose and it was good to see our lot go hard and speak up in front of the UN security council when everyone was too gutless to do so. I reckon Abbott jumped the gun early making stern public calls on Putin when all the facts weren't (and still aren't) on the table and getting us needlessly caught up in this sensitive Ukraine topic, but this time yielded what looks to be a great result. The Malaysian PM Razak must have been equally strong after being able to strike up a deal.
Putin knows his reputation, it is how he got to where he is. He also probably doesn't care as he is completely untouchable. No point banning him from any summits because he probably won't go anyway.
well said
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Hey Bents, I know you are a lover of conspiracy theories - this should be right up your alley:
Busted! MH-17 Was in Fact the ‘Lost’ Flight MH-370
By Alexander Light | humansarefree
When it was first announced that flight MH-370 disappeared without a trace, there had been voices suggesting that the same plane will be later used in a false flag operation.
Personally, I tried to ignore the speculations thinking that no secret agency could ever conduct such an insanely-obvious operation, expecting that the rest of the world is stupid enough to buy it.
Boy, was I was wrong!
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Read the story:
http://topinfopost.com/2014/07/26/mh-17-was-in-fact-flight-mh-370-lost-flight (http://topinfopost.com/2014/07/26/mh-17-was-in-fact-flight-mh-370-lost-flight)
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Massive reader, seldom believer, of conspiracy theories here too as a good well backed one is always great for discussion.
That one isn't bad but presented poorly and I had to go over it a couple times to make sense of it, especially the photos of the windows and the flag. False flag operations have in fact happened before (e.g Reichstag fire) and I don't deny they will happen again, but something in this one doesn't add up. Why use 370 as a false flag prop? Where is the real 17? Why did 370 have to be used and its passengers disposed of? We're talking about separatist rebels, not an advanced standing military. Ukraine intelligence or CIA or whoever could have easily fed false information to make the rebels assume it was a spy plane and just use the same MH-17. Pinching 370 only to disguise it as 17 would only raise suspicion. By the sounds of it they didn't even need coercing to shoot it down anyway, why invent something so elaborate?
Reckon something stinks about both flights but that theory sounds like crock.
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Very interested in which conspiracy theories you do believe Dwaino? FWIW I don't believe for one moment that Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy.
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FWIW I don't believe for one moment that Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy.
Pretty sure it was you and me.
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:lol
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Very interested in which conspiracy theories you do believe Dwaino? FWIW I don't believe for one moment that Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy.
Don't think I could point out one in particular and say "I believe this theory." I've had a love of science since I was a kid (had my first telescope at 6 ;D) and I think it has just taught me to be critical and open minded. I ask "why?" and "how?" a lot. There are a number of accepted accounts of events in history that just don't stand up to scrutiny. Not the thread for it because I don't want to spell it out here and hijack (badum tish) the topic of this thread, be it conspiracy or party line :thumbsup
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According to Kevin Ryan, Bush had three Bush relatives who worked in the WTC impact zone of the first tower alone. That means within the 9 floors that were hit, Bush had 3 relatives.
All 3 were miraculously absent from work that day.
http://www.kpfa.org/archive/id/94773
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dwaino and i are generally on the same page re questioning the supposed realities and ways of the world. have had some interesting conversations and no we are not whackos*
*not in the accepted straight jacket/padded room sense ;)
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http://www.globalresearch.ca/deleted-bbc-report-ukrainian-stuff-eyewitnesses/5393631
http://www.infowars.com/multiple-reports-ukrainian-fighter-jets-were-with-malaysian-flight-17-when-it-was-shot-down/
(http://www.longislandfirearms.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/tinfoil.gif)
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"Video shows Kolomoisky forces firing on MH17. These units are led by Israeli volunteers."
Breaking: Russian Satellite Imagery on MH17 Proves Kiev Responsible (ireport.cnn.com. http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1156346
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"Video shows Kolomoisky forces firing on MH17. These units are led by Israeli volunteers."
Breaking: Russian Satellite Imagery on MH17 Proves Kiev Responsible (ireport.cnn.com. http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1156346
Why was this article pulled Judge???
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yes...
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http://www.globalresearch.ca/deleted-bbc-report-ukrainian-stuff-eyewitnesses/5393631
http://www.infowars.com/multiple-reports-ukrainian-fighter-jets-were-with-malaysian-flight-17-when-it-was-shot-down/
(http://www.longislandfirearms.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/tinfoil.gif)
infowars. hehe it must be true then.
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Yeah better stick to the hearld sun. ;)
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What do you after killing 298 innocent people? You ban food imports from the countries the victims came from ::).
Russia hits West with food import ban in sanctions row
BBC
August 7, 2014
Russia is imposing a "full embargo" on food imports from the EU, US and some other Western countries, in response to sanctions over Ukraine.
Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said it would include fruit, vegetables, meat, fish, milk and dairy imports.
Australia, Canada and Norway are also affected.
Russia is also banning Ukrainian airlines from transit across its territory, he said in televised comments to the government.
His government is also considering banning transit flights for EU and US airlines, in retaliation for sanctions over Ukraine, he said.
Barring airlines from Siberian airspace would significantly increase costs and flying time for many jets bound for Asian destinations.
Western governments accuse the Kremlin of fomenting the unrest in eastern Ukraine by supplying weapons and expertise to the pro-Russian separatists.
Last month the EU and US tightened sanctions on Russia, with Brussels applying restrictions to key sectors of the economy as well as individuals. The first round of sanctions came after Russia annexed Ukraine's Crimea region in March.
President Vladimir Putin announced on Wednesday that Russia would take retaliatory sanctions, saying they would last for a year. They take effect immediately.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28687172
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What do you after killing 298 innocent people? You ban food imports from the countries the victims came from ::).
Russia hits West with food import ban in sanctions row
BBC
August 7, 2014
Russia is imposing a "full embargo" on food imports from the EU, US and some other Western countries, in response to sanctions over Ukraine.
Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said it would include fruit, vegetables, meat, fish, milk and dairy imports.
Australia, Canada and Norway are also affected.
Russia is also banning Ukrainian airlines from transit across its territory, he said in televised comments to the government.
His government is also considering banning transit flights for EU and US airlines, in retaliation for sanctions over Ukraine, he said.
Barring airlines from Siberian airspace would significantly increase costs and flying time for many jets bound for Asian destinations.
Western governments accuse the Kremlin of fomenting the unrest in eastern Ukraine by supplying weapons and expertise to the pro-Russian separatists.
Last month the EU and US tightened sanctions on Russia, with Brussels applying restrictions to key sectors of the economy as well as individuals. The first round of sanctions came after Russia annexed Ukraine's Crimea region in March.
President Vladimir Putin announced on Wednesday that Russia would take retaliatory sanctions, saying they would last for a year. They take effect immediately.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28687172
According to '65 it is just good material for the use in his anti-Liberal spam campaign
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What do you after killing 298 innocent people? You ban food imports from the countries the victims came from ::).
Russia hits West with food import ban in sanctions row
BBC
August 7, 2014
Russia is imposing a "full embargo" on food imports from the EU, US and some other Western countries, in response to sanctions over Ukraine.
Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said it would include fruit, vegetables, meat, fish, milk and dairy imports.
Australia, Canada and Norway are also affected.
Russia is also banning Ukrainian airlines from transit across its territory, he said in televised comments to the government.
His government is also considering banning transit flights for EU and US airlines, in retaliation for sanctions over Ukraine, he said.
Barring airlines from Siberian airspace would significantly increase costs and flying time for many jets bound for Asian destinations.
Western governments accuse the Kremlin of fomenting the unrest in eastern Ukraine by supplying weapons and expertise to the pro-Russian separatists.
Last month the EU and US tightened sanctions on Russia, with Brussels applying restrictions to key sectors of the economy as well as individuals. The first round of sanctions came after Russia annexed Ukraine's Crimea region in March.
President Vladimir Putin announced on Wednesday that Russia would take retaliatory sanctions, saying they would last for a year. They take effect immediately.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28687172
According to '65 it is just good material for the use in his anti-Liberal spam campaign
The worst government in my time on this earth.
:lol
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What do you after killing 298 innocent people? You ban food imports from the countries the victims came from ::).
Russia hits West with food import ban in sanctions row
BBC
August 7, 2014
Russia is imposing a "full embargo" on food imports from the EU, US and some other Western countries, in response to sanctions over Ukraine.
Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said it would include fruit, vegetables, meat, fish, milk and dairy imports.
Australia, Canada and Norway are also affected.
Russia is also banning Ukrainian airlines from transit across its territory, he said in televised comments to the government.
His government is also considering banning transit flights for EU and US airlines, in retaliation for sanctions over Ukraine, he said.
Barring airlines from Siberian airspace would significantly increase costs and flying time for many jets bound for Asian destinations.
Western governments accuse the Kremlin of fomenting the unrest in eastern Ukraine by supplying weapons and expertise to the pro-Russian separatists.
Last month the EU and US tightened sanctions on Russia, with Brussels applying restrictions to key sectors of the economy as well as individuals. The first round of sanctions came after Russia annexed Ukraine's Crimea region in March.
President Vladimir Putin announced on Wednesday that Russia would take retaliatory sanctions, saying they would last for a year. They take effect immediately.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28687172
According to '65 it is just good material for the use in his anti-Liberal spam campaign
The worst government in my time on this earth.
:lol
Can you think of ideas on how to shorten that time?
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What do you after killing 298 innocent people? You ban food imports from the countries the victims came from ::).
Russia hits West with food import ban in sanctions row
BBC
August 7, 2014
Russia is imposing a "full embargo" on food imports from the EU, US and some other Western countries, in response to sanctions over Ukraine.
Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said it would include fruit, vegetables, meat, fish, milk and dairy imports.
Australia, Canada and Norway are also affected.
Russia is also banning Ukrainian airlines from transit across its territory, he said in televised comments to the government.
His government is also considering banning transit flights for EU and US airlines, in retaliation for sanctions over Ukraine, he said.
Barring airlines from Siberian airspace would significantly increase costs and flying time for many jets bound for Asian destinations.
Western governments accuse the Kremlin of fomenting the unrest in eastern Ukraine by supplying weapons and expertise to the pro-Russian separatists.
Last month the EU and US tightened sanctions on Russia, with Brussels applying restrictions to key sectors of the economy as well as individuals. The first round of sanctions came after Russia annexed Ukraine's Crimea region in March.
President Vladimir Putin announced on Wednesday that Russia would take retaliatory sanctions, saying they would last for a year. They take effect immediately.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28687172
According to '65 it is just good material for the use in his anti-Liberal spam campaign
The worst government in my time on this earth.
:lol
I say the same about Rudd and Gillard, same puppets and same backstabbers
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History will judge Gillard well
Rudd and Abbott not so well
:cheers
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LMAO Tiga
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Yeah better stick to the hearld sun. ;)
thats also rubbish
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History will judge Gillard well
She'll be doing her best work just to stay out of jail.
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History will judge Gillard well
She'll be doing her best work just to stay out of jail.
:lol
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Russia
Holland
Australia
V mm Belgium
Sign non disclosure agreement in regards to mh17
Nice to see everything tied up in a nice little bundle
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Well done Tony for giving it to Putin. Will he listen? well I doubt it but it's better than anything that Obama has said or done. Doubt you will ever find a more useless leader than BO, while our very own TA though just grows from strength to strength.
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Well done Tony for giving it to Putin. Will he listen? well I doubt it but it's better than anything that Obama has said or done. Doubt you will ever find a more useless leader than BO, while our very own TA though just grows from strength to strength.
Did he shirtfront him?
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Well done Tony for giving it to Putin. Will he listen? well I doubt it but it's better than anything that Obama has said or done. Doubt you will ever find a more useless leader than BO, while our very own TA though just grows from strength to strength.
Did he shirtfront him?
didn't need to. His done enough and the voters think so too :shh
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What planet are you living on Angus? The voters hate him, even moderate Libs cringe at him, others I know who are Libs but don't want to admit they support a lunatic change the subject when he's mentioned :rollin
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Well done Tony for giving it to Putin. Will he listen? well I doubt it but it's better than anything that Obama has said or done. Doubt you will ever find a more useless leader than BO, while our very own TA though just grows from strength to strength.
Did he shirtfront him?
didn't need to. His done enough and the voters think so too :shh
Agree. Done more than enough to be punted out on his arz after one term now that the voters have seen what a disaster he has been as the leader of team Australia.
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I don't think he will last until the next election.
Julie Bishop will take over.
:thumbsup
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei5t0OcYnGc
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I don't think he will last until the next election.
Julie Bishop will take over.
:thumbsup
Bang! even better, i like her too
as long as its no tree hugger im happy
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Well done Tony for giving it to Putin. Will he listen? well I doubt it but it's better than anything that Obama has said or done. Doubt you will ever find a more useless leader than BO, while our very own TA though just grows from strength to strength.
Did he shirtfront him?
didn't need to. His done enough and the voters think so too :shh
Agree. Done more than enough to be punted out on his arz after one term now that the voters have seen what a disaster he has been as the leader of team Australia.
Labour tears
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What planet are you living on Angus? The voters hate him, even moderate Libs cringe at him, others I know who are Libs but don't want to admit they support a lunatic change the subject when he's mentioned :rollin
momentum is building froars. :thumbsup
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What planet are you living on Angus? The voters hate him, even moderate Libs cringe at him, others I know who are Libs but don't want to admit they support a lunatic change the subject when he's mentioned :rollin
momentum is building froars. :thumbsup
So is the Liberal shipwreck
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What planet are you living on Angus? The voters hate him, even moderate Libs cringe at him, others I know who are Libs but don't want to admit they support a lunatic change the subject when he's mentioned :rollin
momentum is building froars. :thumbsup
So is the Liberal shipwreck
and the deficit which has been independently costed at $51 billion and growing.
:lol
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I don't think he will last until the next election.
Julie Bishop will take over.
:thumbsup
Bang! even better, i like her too
as long as its no tree hugger im happy
You realise trees make oxygen that humans breath yes?
I know that's some left wing shyte but still
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Well Channel 7 reckon a fleet of Russian warships is heading towards Australia - nice move Mad Monk
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So now 4 Russian warships are headed towards Brisbane..
Nice work Abbott you firkin Cowboy.
The momentum certainly is building!
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So now 4 Russian warships are headed towards Brisbane..
Nice work Abbott you firkin Cowboy.
The momentum certainly is building!
Would have thought because Putin is coming they're coming automatically. But it's a pretty impressive game of one-up manship lol
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It's not uncommon for a single Russian ship to sit off shore while Putin visits, but they usually ask first. Sending 4 (well really 2, since one is a tug and another is a supply) unannounced is just a show of force and that halfwit Tony should just shut his gob.
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lol dnt stuff with the Russians, every1 knows that
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You wanna play games, Tony, we'll raise your peeweak shirtfront joke with a couple of destroyers. Over to you Tony lol
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Your move, Tony.
(http://wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com/blogs/thecrescat/files/2013/08/putin-riding-bearsharktopus-FO3cAi.jpg)
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well woopty bloody doo he is here and so are they docked.
TA is just growing from strength to strength and his steely resolve against Putin is further proof of that. Im sure you guys will soon come around, in fact im sure of it.
He is growing into a fine leader and standing up for what most australianas are thinking so kudos to big tone.
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well woopty bloody doo he is here and so are they docked.
TA is just growing from strength to strength and his steely resolve against Putin is further proof of that. Im sure you guys will soon come around, in fact im sure of it.
He is growing into a fine leader and standing up for what most australianas are thinking so kudos to big tone.
He's a stuffing idiot.
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well woopty bloody doo he is here and so are they docked.
TA is just growing from strength to strength and his steely resolve against Putin is further proof of that. Im sure you guys will soon come around, in fact im sure of it.
He is growing into a fine leader and standing up for what most australianas are thinking so kudos to big tone.
He's a stuffing idiot.
Yes that's the conclusion I've come around to :rollin
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https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/25496667/russian-warships-bearing-down-on-australia/
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Angus is Tony's Bojo. Woah :shh
The ships aren't docked, typically only a frigate accompanies Putin when he is somewhere like these summits but they usually don't dock and permission is asked first. This time sending a cruiser and a destroyer (the tanker and tug are inconsequential) is just a middle finger to Tony and to tell the little dog to sit back down while the big boys play statesmen.
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well woopty bloody doo he is here and so are they docked.
TA is just growing from strength to strength and his steely resolve against Putin is further proof of that. Im sure you guys will soon come around, in fact im sure of it.
He is growing into a fine leader and standing up for what most australianas are thinking so kudos to big tone.
Wow
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Stop the boats.
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Stop the boats.
Exactly
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Putin sent a whole fleet to a summit in Asia not long ago. Not a big deal, and whilst I cringe at the dialogue TA used, I'm glad he did have the balls to stand up, Aussies were killed, he has every right to aggressively ask wtf is going on.
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Putin sent a whole fleet to a summit in Asia not long ago. Not a big deal, and whilst I cringe at the dialogue TA used, I'm glad he did have the balls to stand up, Aussies were killed, he has every right to aggressively ask wtf is going on.
We really have NFI how aggressive he was with Putin behind closed doors.
I'm betting Abbott apologised for the public comments and tried to laugh it off with a burst of that insane laugh of his.
All bulldust is our Tony.
Not long now before Julie Bishop takes over.
I'm tipping Malcolm T for the environment and an ETS implemented straight away.
Might just save them the next election.
:lol
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Putin sent a whole fleet to a summit in Asia not long ago. Not a big deal, and whilst I cringe at the dialogue TA used, I'm glad he did have the balls to stand up, Aussies were killed, he has every right to aggressively ask wtf is going on.
No-one could disagree with that - just his bogan delivery. Bill Shorten said yesterday that he wouldn't have said anything to Russia because Russia doesn't listen to us anyway. WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!! They should know exactly how we feel in a manner that lets them know we are very unhappy about the loss of Aussies in that crash. But it's a bit like that guy with the sword in Raiders of the lost Ark coming out very impressively scaring everyone with his wonderful swordmanship and the bloke pulls out a gun and shoots him lol. Also got to know your limitations and there may be consequences to what you say.
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Доброе утро, товарищи
:rollin
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Dd you know the Bbc deleted an eye witness report
Saying Ukrainian jets were next to the plane when it wa shot down :whistle
Putin sent a whole fleet to a summit in Asia not long ago. Not a big deal, and whilst I cringe at the dialogue TA used, I'm glad he did have the balls to stand up, Aussies were killed, he has every right to aggressively ask wtf is going on.
No-one could disagree with that - just his bogan delivery. Bill Shorten said yesterday that he wouldn't have said anything to Russia because Russia doesn't listen to us anyway. WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!! They should know exactly how we feel in a manner that lets them know we are very unhappy about the loss of Aussies in that crash. But it's a bit like that guy with the sword in Raiders of the lost Ark coming out very impressively scaring everyone with his wonderful swordmanship and the bloke pulls out a gun and shoots him lol. Also got to know your limitations and there may be consequences to what you say.
No one GAF about Australia. We are a drop in the ocean in geo-politics.
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We should call their bluff. Send a few ships out to the edge of international waters and put on a missile exercise.
The last thing the Russians want is to be drawn into a war they have no strategic interest in.
It's a long way from Moscow boys....
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We should call their bluff. Send a few ships out to the edge of international waters and put on a missile exercise.
The last thing the Russians want is to be drawn into a war they have no strategic interest in.
It's a long way from Moscow boys....
Do it tony you pussy
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Yes, let's flex the might of our frigates against a cruiser ;D
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Yes, let's flex the might of our frigates against a cruiser ;D
They wouldn't dare flex their might half way around the world in western waters. I say set the honey trap
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Yes, let's flex the might of our frigates against a cruiser ;D
They wouldn't dare flex their might half way around the world in western waters. I say set the honey trap
They wouldn't dare invade ukraine
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Yes, let's flex the might of our frigates against a cruiser ;D
They wouldn't dare flex their might half way around the world in western waters. I say set the honey trap
All we have to do is leak that they are secretly hunting whales and the gang a Sea Shepherd will do the job for us. ;D
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Bloody big tone why is he sending our tankers to intercept theirs
Wish he would just leave it and let them do what they want.
Can't he just do and say nothing like shorton, bloody hell
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Доброе утро, товарищи
:rollin
Translation for winners are grinners
Libs are on their way to another term so pucker up buttercup
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Libs are on their way to another term so pucker up buttercup
Federal or state level :huh
Just to clarify, the Libs are not in power on their own, they are in coalition with the Nats. The Libs federally and at State level wouldn't have enough seats to govern on their own... but I digrese
At federal level if an election was to be held now, they'd likely win with a much reduced majority
However, at State level they are in massive strife in part thanks to Tone and Dopey Joe Well done chaps :clapping Dr Den one term premier.... reckon even you'd admit Angus at state level the Libs & Nats are in huge strife, most ineffective government in our stats history... hopeless
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Federal WP.
Doctor D is goneski. Mr Andrews will take home the chocolates
Good local lad in touch with the people he gets my vote, even though he is playing games saying he will rip up the east link contract
You see WP I can acknowledge a better government even though it might be labour, something I doubt most on here can do
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Доброе утро, товарищи
:rollin
Translation for winners are grinners
Libs are on their way to another term so pucker up buttercup
Actually means "good morning comrades"
:thumbsup
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Federal WP.
Doctor D is goneski. Mr Andrews will take home the chocolates
Good local lad in touch with the people he gets my vote, even though he is playing games saying he will rip up the east link contract
You see WP I can acknowledge a better government even though it might be labour, something I doubt most on here can do
It is the Labor party not "labour".
:cheers
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judge Tiga please don't tell me you believe all that illumanati crap.
Whackjob websites
How did wtc7 fall down?
Its a cope out to dismiss everything as illuminate crap. Try using physics instead
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I'm with Judge to an extent on this broader argument.
There's wacko websites and then there's websites which present alternate views from what the mainstream media presents, based on well researched evidence. A matter of sorting the wheat from the chaff, if you will.
Hindsight has shown governments and the mainstream media not to be as reliable as you think. Where are the WMDs? What was reported about the 2.3 trillion Rumsfeld admitted had been lost on September 10 2001?
Rather than automatically accept 100% of what the mainstream media etc write, I do this thing you see. It's called thinking.
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Line breaks: crit|ic¦al think|ing
NOUN
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The objective analysis and evaluation of an issue in order to form a judgement:
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/critical-thinking
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Tree Hugging illumanati crap.
http://www.AngusHampson.com/definition/english/critical-thinking
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Federal WP.
Doctor D is goneski. Mr Andrews will take home the chocolates
Good local lad in touch with the people he gets my vote, even though he is playing games saying he will rip up the east link contract
You see WP I can acknowledge a better government even though it might be labour, something I doubt most on here can do
Have no problem acknowledging good government Angus, unfortunately the current federal one isn't a good one.
They seem to have the disease that seems to inflict all parties once they get to power = BROKEN PROMISES and/or abuse of their mandate eg the underhanded way they Tone & Dopey joe bought in the file excise increase, where they used the same method Rudd did on the alcohol tax, who they bagged Rudd for but now in their world it's Ok for them to do it but it's not OK when opposition = hyprocrisy
Just my take
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Personally I think it takes time to turn a ship around. I'm giving them more than a year to see what sort of effect(if any) they are having on the budget and economy. As for the fuel excise - yeah not great but if its just a short term pain for long term gain policy then I'll accept it - if it stays on permanently beyond, then different story. I like to give someone a chance before writing them off - Abbot and Joe have until next budget before I start casting judgements. Just like I did with K Rudd and Julia.
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Libs are on their way to another term so pucker up buttercup
reckon even you'd admit Angus at state level the Libs & Nats are in huge strife, most ineffective government in our stats history... hopeless
WP surely you would remember one Joan Kirner. Worst premier in the History of Australian Politics. Hide all the unemployed in pointless newly created state government jobs to make things look more rosy.
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Federal WP.
Doctor D is goneski. Mr Andrews will take home the chocolates
Good local lad in touch with the people he gets my vote, even though he is playing games saying he will rip up the east link contract
You see WP I can acknowledge a better government even though it might be labour, something I doubt most on here can do
Have no problem acknowledging good government Angus, unfortunately the current federal one isn't a good one.
They seem to have the disease that seems to inflict all parties once they get to power = BROKEN PROMISES and/or abuse of their mandate eg the underhanded way they Tone & Dopey joe bought in the file excise increase, where they used the same method Rudd did on the alcohol tax, who they bagged Rudd for but now in their world it's Ok for them to do it but it's not OK when opposition = hyprocrisy
Just my take
Funny i dont remember you using capitals when your mate Juliar or KR was in power or did you forget what kind of PM's they were. :shh
IMO an extra $2/3 a week to fix the previous governments mess is hardly worth talking about. I take your point it was a broken promise.
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Libs are on their way to another term so pucker up buttercup
reckon even you'd admit Angus at state level the Libs & Nats are in huge strife, most ineffective government in our stats history... hopeless
WP surely you would remember one Joan Kirner. Worst premier in the History of Australian Politics. Hide all the unemployed in pointless newly created state government jobs to make things look more rosy.
Even I didn't vote for Joan.
But god did I regret it. Kennett was an absolute prick.
:lol
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Wasn't uncommon for police, teachers etc to get pay checks from different govt departments in those days. The money had dried up!
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Wasn't uncommon for police, teachers etc to get pay checks from different govt departments in those days. The money had dried up!
You weren't even born then HTF would you know.
:lol
Well maybe you were alive but to young to remember. :cheers
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Wasn't uncommon for police, teachers etc to get pay checks from different govt departments in those days. The money had dried up!
You weren't even born then HTF would you know.
:lol
Well maybe you were alive but to young to remember. :cheers
Aye I'm just an intelligent bastard
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Federal WP.
Doctor D is goneski. Mr Andrews will take home the chocolates
Good local lad in touch with the people he gets my vote, even though he is playing games saying he will rip up the east link contract
You see WP I can acknowledge a better government even though it might be labour, something I doubt most on here can do
Have no problem acknowledging good government Angus, unfortunately the current federal one isn't a good one.
They seem to have the disease that seems to inflict all parties once they get to power = BROKEN PROMISES and/or abuse of their mandate eg the underhanded way they Tone & Dopey joe bought in the file excise increase, where they used the same method Rudd did on the alcohol tax, who they bagged Rudd for but now in their world it's Ok for them to do it but it's not OK when opposition = hyprocrisy
Just my take
Funny i dont remember you using capitals when your mate Juliar or KR was in power or did you forget what kind of PM's they were. :shh
IMO an extra $2/3 a week to fix the previous governments mess is hardly worth talking about. I take your point it was a broken promise.
The capitals were to get your attention which it obviously did :laugh:
You're the one who whet on for 3 years about Labor's BROKEN promises but haven't heard a peep from you condemning Mr Honesty Decent family man Tone for doing the same thing ;D
Which was my point BTW
WP surely you would remember one Joan Kirner. Worst premier in the History of Australian Politics. Hide all the unemployed in pointless newly created state government jobs to make things look more rosy.
Remember Kirner very well
Dr Naptime and his predecessor Big Ted make Kirner look like the best we ever had :laugh:
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http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/russian-media-releases-satellite-image-claiming-to-show-mh17-shot-down-by-ukrainian-fighter-jet/story-fnizu68q-1227123846130 (http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/russian-media-releases-satellite-image-claiming-to-show-mh17-shot-down-by-ukrainian-fighter-jet/story-fnizu68q-1227123846130)
Cant help but feel if this was from the angle that Ukraine had proof of a Russian fighter jet, it would be in our faces 24/7. Will be interesting to hear the response to this
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27 Aussies dead
Time for America to step in and finish em all off
This is terrible
Hug a koala and everything is OK :shh
EVERYBODY LOVE EVERYBODY
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27 Aussies dead
Time for America to step in and finish em all off
This is terrible
Hug a koala and everything is OK :shh
EVERYBODY LOVE EVERYBODY
ELE :clapping
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whats this FT trade deal, big tone signed 65?
Heard its a rough deal for Australia mate
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http://www.cnbc.com/id/102206925