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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: the claw on September 27, 2015, 08:54:05 PM
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Seems to me no one wants to entertain this idea. It seems the thinking is get a top line player at any cost or bust.
Like most im all for getting a list need preferably a high quality list need. My preference is go hard at Carlisle but what if Essendon want too much in this case?? well we move on.
I just thought maybe we should also focus on alternatives. What if we cant get a name player without selling the farm. I thought this thread could be for the lesser types who wont cost us.
Four players im interested in are.
Jarred Redden dfa. - Is a bit of a risk but i was super impressed with this bloke before injury hit and lobbe took over.
Lachlan Keefe dfa. - This bloke showed heaps before his trouble with asada. We would have to wait 12months before he could play Collingwood are keen to re rookie him so that says something.If we didnt get Carlisle this bloke could be a steal.
Steve Johnson dfa. - We lack mids and we lack clever fwds. we get both with him and I dont care how old he is he has good footy left in him imo.
Jacob Townsend ??? - not sure of his status but likely to be cut by gws. Lovely big bodied mid who is a tackling machine who still needs a bit of work.
You know if none work out we dont lose too much.
One other player who is contracted is the Hawks Angus Litherland. I really like this player and im sure he could be lured away from Hawthorn because of the lack of opportunity.193cm hard running well skilled backmen who can actually defend is the way the game is going.
Any way any thoughts on players anyone, remember it about getting blokes on the cheap.
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Litherland yes please and Anderson. Not sure if they are contracted. Ceglar I would take a look at also
After embarrassing ourselves to North I'm warming to SJ. Surely a bloke who actually wins finals is what we need
Yes to Okeefe as a rookie, but first preference is to chase hard for Zac smith or leunburger
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Bennel
Dangerfield
Trelor
>:(
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claw, you do know this is completely against the grain of the big fish complex?
you aint are not going to be popular
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Bennel
Dangerfield
Trelor
>:(
Not what this thread is about, take to one of the many other threads talking up big name players. Sheesh is it really that hard to comprehend.
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What is the point of an 17 year old that will take 4-5 year to become very good
When the window will likely be closed by such a time
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claw, you do know this is completely against the grain of the big fish complex?
you aint are not going to be popular
Lol popular i dont think i have ever been popular with anyone on here.
Look we all want a big fish and for some it seems at any cost. We still need to be looking at cheap options as well. Just thought it would be a good place to talk exclusively about those cheaper options weather we land a big fish or not.
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What is the point of an 17 year old that will take 4-5 year to become very good
When the window will likely be closed by such a time
Well some one hasn't learnt any lessons from the last 30 odd years.
Please explain what window are you talking about and when will it all happen.
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claw, you do know this is completely against the grain of the big fish complex?
you aint are not going to be popular
Lol popular i dont think i have ever been popular with anyone on here.
Look we all want a big fish and for some it seems at any cost. We still need to be looking at cheap options as well. Just thought it would be a good place to talk exclusively about those cheaper options weather we land a big fish or not.
I dont think you fully appreciate the gravity of this big fish syndrome
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claw, you do know this is completely against the grain of the big fish complex?
you aint are not going to be popular
Lol popular i dont think i have ever been popular with anyone on here.
Look we all want a big fish and for some it seems at any cost. We still need to be looking at cheap options as well. Just thought it would be a good place to talk exclusively about those cheaper options weather we land a big fish or not.
I dont think you fully appreciate the gravity of this big fish syndrome. Yeah its funny isnt it.
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Trade Conca for Scott Lycett
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Claw who a your picks in the wafl that could be good gets.How did Darcy Cameron go this year wanted him at tiger land last year.
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claw, you do know this is completely against the grain of the big fish complex?
you aint are not going to be popular
Lol popular i dont think i have ever been popular with anyone on here.
Look we all want a big fish and for some it seems at any cost. We still need to be looking at cheap options as well. Just thought it would be a good place to talk exclusively about those cheaper options weather we land a big fish or not.
Considering Melb supposedly has whacked 10mill over 6 years for Dangerfield I have to agree with you Claw.
The trouble is identifying these players.
Players where other clubs are trying to bail eg Yarran or have trouble managing, eg Bennell are one way and probably full of drama which maybe we don't need BUT we do need something. Draftees just won't do it in their first 2 years and by then our window may have gone. We need to do something in these next 2 years or it is another wait I think.
Miles was a brilliant pick up for us and McIntosh has been handy as well, maybe GC or GWS players who have been in the system for 2 or 3 years but for some reason aren't getting a game are our best hunting ground??
Stevie J would probably be Ok, not expensive and you would have to say he would be in our best 22, if fit, no problems, but is he stopping someone from getting a game? I would hate to see him get a game in front of Lennon. ??
It's all in the lap of Blair and Hartley so hopefully they are working their butts off.
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Seems to me no one wants to entertain this idea. It seems the thinking is get a top line player at any cost or bust.
Like most im all for getting a list need preferably a high quality list need. My preference is go hard at Carlisle but what if Essendon want too much in this case?? well we move on.
I just thought maybe we should also focus on alternatives. What if we cant get a name player without selling the farm. I thought this thread could be for the lesser types who wont cost us.
Four players im interested in are.
Jarred Redden dfa. - Is a bit of a risk but i was super impressed with this bloke before injury hit and lobbe took over.
Lachlan Keefe dfa. - This bloke showed heaps before his trouble with asada. We would have to wait 12months before he could play Collingwood are keen to re rookie him so that says something.If we didnt get Carlisle this bloke could be a steal.
Steve Johnson dfa. - We lack mids and we lack clever fwds. we get both with him and I dont care how old he is he has good footy left in him imo.
Jacob Townsend ??? - not sure of his status but likely to be cut by gws. Lovely big bodied mid who is a tackling machine who still needs a bit of work.
You know if none work out we dont lose too much.
One other player who is contracted is the Hawks Angus Litherland. I really like this player and im sure he could be lured away from Hawthorn because of the lack of opportunity.193cm hard running well skilled backmen who can actually defend is the way the game is going.
Any way any thoughts on players anyone, remember it about getting blokes on the cheap.
Isn't this the same "Moneyball" strategy the club has used in the past few years that so many posters here have derided? Whilst we haven't won a final we have got to the finals three years in succession from a list that, when Dimma took over, was compares unfavourably with Fitzroy. I think we are in pretty good shape and about 80% of the way there.
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Seems to me no one wants to entertain this idea. It seems the thinking is get a top line player at any cost or bust.
Like most im all for getting a list need preferably a high quality list need. My preference is go hard at Carlisle but what if Essendon want too much in this case?? well we move on.
I just thought maybe we should also focus on alternatives. What if we cant get a name player without selling the farm. I thought this thread could be for the lesser types who wont cost us.
Four players im interested in are.
Jarred Redden dfa. - Is a bit of a risk but i was super impressed with this bloke before injury hit and lobbe took over.
Lachlan Keefe dfa. - This bloke showed heaps before his trouble with asada. We would have to wait 12months before he could play Collingwood are keen to re rookie him so that says something.If we didnt get Carlisle this bloke could be a steal.
Steve Johnson dfa. - We lack mids and we lack clever fwds. we get both with him and I dont care how old he is he has good footy left in him imo.
Jacob Townsend ??? - not sure of his status but likely to be cut by gws. Lovely big bodied mid who is a tackling machine who still needs a bit of work.
You know if none work out we dont lose too much.
One other player who is contracted is the Hawks Angus Litherland. I really like this player and im sure he could be lured away from Hawthorn because of the lack of opportunity.193cm hard running well skilled backmen who can actually defend is the way the game is going.
Any way any thoughts on players anyone, remember it about getting blokes on the cheap.
Isn't this the same "Moneyball" strategy the club has used in the past few years that so many posters here have derided? Whilst we haven't won a final we have got to the finals three years in succession from a list that, when Dimma took over, was compares unfavourably with Fitzroy. I think we are in pretty good shape and about 80% of the way there.
Shhh, dont be so positive on these boards :clapping
I really dont think we need to load up on fringe players this season, a star or two would help but when you look at the list there is plenty of preasure for spots. There are at least 9 players that played though the season that were not in the finals team (mostly from injury, not lack of talent). Most are young and will be pushing for selection more next season. Sure there a couple that probably wont make it or will always be numbers 23-30 on the list but there is plenty of talent there as well. There are also a few that never got tried that some rave about as well but I hardly see any VFL so I wont comment on them. Plus we have the draftees from this year to look foward to as well, I really dont think we need to chase to much borderline top 22 talent.
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Richmond's time to trade for a high profile player like Dangerfield or anyone else in the running is now. Our premiership window is open now. We need to do business now to get a shot at the flag next year. If we don't do it now. We will be stagnant on the ladder till our next crop is ready. Do you smell what the rock is cooking ;D
TRADE & TRADE HARD
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Richmond's time to trade for a high profile player like Dangerfield or anyone else in the running is now. Our premiership window is open now. We need to do business now to get a shot at the flag next year. If we don't do it now. We will be stagnant on the ladder till our next crop is ready. Do you smell what the rock is cooking ;D
TRADE & TRADE HARD
Agree, just not for borderline talent as the thread was about. Dont think that will get us anywhere.
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Only one I'd take from that list is Redden. Big unit, good age and the type of physical ruckman we need. From memory he's not very skilled but Id see him as an upgrade on Hampson and from memory he competes HARD and physical.
I reckon Stevie J is cooked, don't think his legs have got enough in them tbh, looked way off the pace this season, keefe is handy but with another year out don't know where he'll be at. Don't know the other prospect.
Think we could get yarran and Bennell for unders - 2nd rounder for yarran is a steal - if he's managed right he's an elite talent, Bennell we all know what he's capable, pick 14 or whatever we have is well worth it.
But ultimately like you, my number 1 priority would be Carlisle. Rance and Carlisle would just be :bow
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Yep
Maldini / nesta
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I really like the look of Mitchell Grigg from Adelaide. Just cannot seem to get a regular game and even with Danger leaving they still have Crouch to come into their side. Anyone else seen much of him?
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Yep
Maldini / nesta
:thumbsup
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The Collingwood bloke is a gun. Would absolutely list him and sit on him for a year. If Chaplin isn't cooked already he will be in 12 months for sure.
Redden I'd take also. Not a premier ruckman but a decent B grader and with Maric and Hampson both looking finished we need somebody who can actually ruck ASAP.
Townsend don't know him.
SJ - would consider. Looks cooked too but the brains are still there for sure...
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I really like the look of Mitchell Grigg from Adelaide. Just cannot seem to get a regular game and even with Danger leaving they still have Crouch to come into their side. Anyone else seen much of him?
I do as well.Really good decision maker and can run all day and works hard defensively..If looking for an inside mid who wins heaps of contested ball and clearances Grigg is not your man though.
Another not getting much of a go at Adelaide is Kerridge.I think he would make a really good run with player who can sneak fwd and hurt on the scoreboard.
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What is the point of an 17 year old that will take 4-5 year to become very good
When the window will likely be closed by such a time
Well some one hasn't learnt any lessons from the last 30 odd years.
Please explain what window are you talking about and when will it all happen.
What
Don't play dumb
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dont be so selfish joseph. Let the other kids join in your game
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dont be so selfish joseph. Let the other kids join in your game
The great oracle Clawski is well aware of what a premiership window is
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I really like the look of Mitchell Grigg from Adelaide. Just cannot seem to get a regular game and even with Danger leaving they still have Crouch to come into their side. Anyone else seen much of him?
One Grigg is enough. Don't know how much you've seen of him but surely it's enough?
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Another grigg at punt road????......................hand me that bottle of grappa
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What is the point of an 17 year old that will take 4-5 year to become very good
When the window will likely be closed by such a time
Well some one hasn't learnt any lessons from the last 30 odd years.
Please explain what window are you taking about and when will it all happen.
Premiership Window
The range of years that a team has a likely and realistic[/b] chance of winning the premiership.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_Australian_rules_football
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What is the point of an 17 year old that will take 4-5 year to become very good
When the window will likely be closed by such a time
Well some one hasn't learnt any lessons from the last 30 odd years.
Please explain what window are you taking about and when will it all happen.
Premiership Window
The range of years that a team has a likely and realistic[/b] chance of winning the premiership.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_Australian_rules_football
So when is the window?
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Don't know
Given te age of Maric, and the clubs comments on Chaplin and Hampson it could e sooner than you think
I think - you'd wanna do something before lids gives it away, or rance passes his zenith
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What is the point of an 17 year old that will take 4-5 year to become very good
When the window will likely be closed by such a time
Well some one hasn't learnt any lessons from the last 30 odd years.
Please explain what window are you taking about and when will it all happen.
Premiership Window
The range of years that a team has a likely and realistic[/b] chance of winning the premiership.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_Australian_rules_football
So when is the window?
That's kinda Stalin point
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FMD Premiership windows. We will struggle to make finals next year.
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heard that before..........
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Other clubs to go past us next year. Richmond lucky to make the 8
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port
geelong
gws
collingwood
gold coast
saints in two years
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Far out..trade period has barely started,2016 is still months away..and so many people have written us off already...You all sound like Dr Zachary smith.........we're doomed 'we're doomed William
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Far out..trade period has barely started,2016 is still months away..and so many people have written us off already...You all sound like Dr Zachary smith.........we're doomed 'we're doomed William
is it really so strange to say geelong will improve with a top five player in dangerfield?
is it strange to say GC should improve lots the next five years?
You can only go by the definitive statement richmond football club officials have made, pre-trade week, saying our ruck and kpd stocks are grand - we dont require a
good player. Just cause we are going into cruising mode, doesnt mean the other 1st to 12th ranked clubs will too :whistle
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How is the club saying some improvement will come from within going into cruising mode.
Did west coast dramatically add to their list this year to get such great improvement?
Nor did the western bulldoga who in fact lost their captain and brownlow medallist and higgins as well
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Did west coast dramatically add to their list this year to get such great improvement?
dramatic management changes
Nor did the western bulldoga who in fact lost their captain and brownlow medallist and higgins as well
dramatic management changes too
i can see as theme
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Who would have thunk it.
Meanwhile at Richmond.........
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Who would have thunk it.
Meanwhile at Richmond.........
aye
thanks to Gigs for helping me put it together