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Demon high-flyer Jeremy Howe 'likely' to leave
Ben Collins October 9, 2015 3:13 PM
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Jeremy Howe is more likely than not to request a trade from Melbourne
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MELBOURNE utility Jeremy Howe is more likely to continue his AFL career elsewhere rather than remain a Demon, his manager has declared.
Howe's manager Ben Niall told NAB AFL Trade Radio on Friday afternoon that the high-flying Demon was considering offers from three other clubs – Gold Coast and two rival Melbourne clubs.
Howe, who is holidaying in Bali, is expected to make a decision by the middle of next week.
Niall revealed the Suns had delivered "a really good presentation" to the 25-year-old Tasmanian last week.
"I think he's more likely to go than stay at this stage," Niall said.
Demons chasing young Pie, Giant
Much of Howe's motivation to test the market stems from frustration over the multitude of roles he has been asked to play with the Demons. This year he played predominantly at half-back, and in the past he has alternated between attack and defence.
He is keen to explore a more flexible, floating role as a wingman or high half-forward in the Jack Gunston mould.
Niall also rubbished claims that Howe was seeking a deal worth $600,000 a season.
"We've never put a figure out there," Niall said. "The figure that was put in the paper was ridiculous. He's not a mercenary person whatsoever.
"What we're looking for is, if he gets in the right environment and he can play in one role, which has been an issue for him, and master that role, because he's got enormous capacities, the money will take care of itself.
"He is an elite endurance runner – he runs a 9.50 (over) 3km – and he's a dominant repeat sprinter. Heritier Lumumba, who's another one of my clients, who was number one at Collingwood, Jeremy smashed him off the park.
"He's got an amazing capacity to get up and down the ground as a wingman or as a high half-forward.
"We think, and a lot of the clubs we've spoken to, have got more of a Jack Gunston-type of role for him to use his tool kit."
Howe has played exactly 100 games and kicked 80 goals in five seasons with Melbourne after being the No.33 pick in the 2010 NAB AFL Draft.
"Jeremy would be the first to admit that the first hundred games he hasn't got the best out of himself," Niall said. "What he'd like to do is make sure, wherever he goes, is that his next hundred games are elite."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-09/demon-highflyer-jeremy-howe-likely-to-seek-new-club
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And where would you play him; what would his role be?
I'd certainly look at him but interested to know folks' views on what the role would be.
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Look at the tank on him, get rid of B Ellis and have him play that role. Or even Griggs role..
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The epitome of "hack with a highlight reel"....
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The epitome of "hack with a highlight reel"....
He is better than that, could see him playing a role similar to that of McIntosh on the opposite wing. Imagine him streaming down the wing or getting the ball fed to him in the forward line and the big speccy and goal..WHOA..
:gotigers :gotigers
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mate were dreaming here wouldn't even think the old black and yellow would target him
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mate were dreaming here wouldn't even think the old black and yellow would target him
Would you want him though and would he fit?? :thumbsup
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Fantastic highlight reel, big tank, doesn't find the ball. :scream
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We already got rid of the highlight boy Matty White dont need another
PS Can anyone confirm with facts why he left RFC?
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"one trick pony" i'll leave it at that!
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I think we should get him because he is available and we have no one else :banghead
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And where would you play him; what would his role be?
I'd certainly look at him but interested to know folks' views on what the role would be.
Troy Chaplin spot
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The epitome of "hack with a highlight reel"....
Hit the nail on the head.
Takes a mark, that's it.
Useless otherwise.
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Well we may as well just forget this FA/trade period, because there is stuff all left.
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All icing no cake
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If he played for Richmond, there would be a significant contingent of posters who would be screaming we should be trading him. #duddelist
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We already got rid of the highlight boy Matty White dont need another
PS Can anyone confirm with facts why he left RFC?
:lol
You really are a sh*t stirrer Chucky!!! :snidegrin
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Overrated
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And where would you play him; what would his role be?
I'd certainly look at him but interested to know folks' views on what the role would be.
Lennons...., :whistle
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If he costs anything, salary or trade-wise, it's a no.
Otherwise he's good for what... 20 goals a year and a MOTY nomination?
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He would take over jake bachelors position and with astbury being traded and dea out the door. We need him.
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PUH LEEZE GAGF
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He would take over jake bachelors position and with astbury being traded and dea out the door. We need him.
:bow :clapping :snidegrin
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good to see most people can see things
Well we may as well just forget this FA/trade period, because there is stuff all left.
for what they are here.
Look... every root you knock back is a root you dont get. if you are drunk and the fat town bike is available at the end of the night so be it, but this isnt quite the same. better off with keeping your draft picks than trading for a hack that does the occasional spectacular thing, but offers sweet FA else
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good to see most people can see thingsWell we may as well just forget this FA/trade period, because there is stuff all left.
for what they are here.
Look... every root you knock back is a root you dont get. if you are drunk and the fat town bike is available at the end of the night so be it, but this isnt quite the same. better off with keeping your draft picks than trading for a hack that does the occasional spectacular thing, but offers sweet FA else
What's wrong with the fat town bike? I owe a lot to her.
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lol, i actually thought of your post as i wrote this.
to answer, nothing at all if that is your cuppa tea :cheers
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lol, i actually thought of your post as i wrote this.
to answer, nothing at all if that is your cuppa tea :cheers
Thanks, you're doing a lot to remove the stigma.
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no stigma at all. as one bloke i used to know would say, fat girls need loving too.
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no stigma at all. as one bloke i used to know would say, fat girls need loving too.
And so did I.
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This thread just shows how much some overrate our own.
Would take him as a defender over Batchelor evry day of the week.
As far as him being a forward goes well we dont have a similar type of player who is better. Maybe Lennon if he stays but he has a bit to prove yet, your list needs more than just one player who can perform a role surely everybody has learnt that simple lesson by now.
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:facepalm :facepalm
Well I suppose he has always been a Melbourne supporter
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:lol :rollin
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This thread just shows how much some overrate our own.
Would take him as a defender over Batchelor evry day of the week.
As far as him being a forward goes well we dont have a similar type of player who is better. Maybe Lennon if he stays but he has a bit to prove yet, your list needs more than just one player who can perform a role surely everybody has learnt that simple lesson by now.
He is the perfect upgrade for Batchelor. Can play tall or small to a lot higher standard than Batch will ever reach.
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This thread just shows how much some overrate our own.
Would take him as a defender over Batchelor evry day of the week.
As far as him being a forward goes well we dont have a similar type of player who is better. Maybe Lennon if he stays but he has a bit to prove yet, your list needs more than just one player who can perform a role surely everybody has learnt that simple lesson by now.
How does not rating Howe translate into overrating our own? The bloke's a stuffing spud with one trick who regularly goes missing for large portions of games and that's pretty much the widely held view in most football circles, not just amongst a few shytekickers on a Richmond message board. He apparently also thinks he's worth 650 k a year...
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This thread just shows how much some overrate our own.
Would take him as a defender over Batchelor evry day of the week.
As far as him being a forward goes well we dont have a similar type of player who is better. Maybe Lennon if he stays but he has a bit to prove yet, your list needs more than just one player who can perform a role surely everybody has learnt that simple lesson by now.
How does not rating Howe translate into overrating our own? The bloke's a stuffing spud with one trick who regularly goes missing for large portions of games and that's pretty much the widely held view in most football circles, not just amongst a few shytekickers on a Richmond message board. He apparently also thinks he's worth 650 k a year...
Howe is not good
ditto Watts, Kreuzer etc. etc.
any yet we are happy to play spuds week in week out
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lmao at pining for Howe
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lmao at pining for Howe
Oh well at least he will appease the shallow who only see his highlight reel
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lmao at pining for Howe
at least he can catch it
there is crap and different levels of crap
lol @ the status quo
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lmao at pining for Howe
at least he can catch it
there is crap and different levels of crap
lol @ the status quo
lmao at pining for Howe
Oh well at least he will appease the shallow who only see his highlight reel
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Even funnier is wanting to swap the status quo for the same standard of crap.
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lmao at pining for Howe
at least he can catch it
there is crap and different levels of crap
lol @ the status quo
lmao at pining for Howe
Oh well at least he will appease the shallow who only see his highlight reel
i been watching the troy chaplin highlights reel for years brother
three stooges
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serous question.
how does troy chaplin change a damn thing about Howe?
maybe you are just desperate for another player to slag off at at every opportunity?
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Can see Howe going to the Hawks and becoming another ex Melbourne player with a premiership medal.
Some clubs just get the best out of people because the standards demand it.
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yes, and sometimes hacks pick up a premiership medallion hanging off the coat tails of others because they are in the right place at the right time.
Mitch Morton says hi, with a cheshire cat like grin
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Can see Howe going to the Hawks and becoming another ex Melbourne player with a premiership medal.
Some clubs just get the best out of people because the standards demand it.
Hawks already have a Howe, they don't need two.....
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We have a dozen or so cows
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The real point is Howe is a bit like the Grigg Houli trades. They actually improved the list. Yep they arent world beaters and we need to aim higher again.
Howe will improve an area as he is miles in front of what we have IMO of course.
Seems some think we don't have to continue to value add. It seems some can't get their heads around the fact we can and should go for a big fish, while at the same time look for lesser players. The two are not mutually exclusive. There are no rules saying you can do one and not the other, but that seems to be peoples thinking around here.
Some of us happen to believe getting just one big fish will do little to help us get to top 4. It is the overall improvement of the list and roles that players do that will do that.
If Howe is an upgrade on say Batchelor then i am all for it.
Why do people think every player we target has to be very good?. A player only has to be better in a role than a current player we have to be an improvement.
We aren't going to go out this trade period and get 5 A Graders. We will be lucky to get one. So how do we improve the list? Keep the status quo it seems for some and do nothing but whine about getting the big fish..
Very few actually bag our players apart from the usual suspects. Grigg Houli etc. Yet here is a bloke who is an improvement on what we have and the vitriol is
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maybe some of us just dont think that a bloke who offers little more than the occasional spectacular mark will actually improve our list?
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serous question.
how does troy chaplin change a damn thing about Howe?
maybe you are just desperate for another player to slag off at at every opportunity?
What ?
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what has chaplin got to do with Howe?
No matter how bad you think chaplin may be, it doesnt change that howe has little to offer.
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If ever I have seen a glass half full type Howe is it
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If ever I have seen a glass half full type Howe is it
Why type is troy Chappy?
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a half full one of these?
(http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=i&source=imgres&cd=&ved=0CAYQjBwwAGoVChMIkNDRvrO3yAIVRxymCh1bogYv&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thedeltagroupva.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F07%2Fseptic-truck-cropped2.jpg&psig=AFQjCNHhDbZR5-dWubclncprP0xgSGYsMQ&ust=1444549262945292)
you still havnt explained how good a footballer chaplin is or isnt has any bearing on how good of a footballer Howe is
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a half full one of these?
(http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=i&source=imgres&cd=&ved=0CAYQjBwwAGoVChMIkNDRvrO3yAIVRxymCh1bogYv&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thedeltagroupva.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F07%2Fseptic-truck-cropped2.jpg&psig=AFQjCNHhDbZR5-dWubclncprP0xgSGYsMQ&ust=1444549262945292)
you still havnt explained how good a footballer chaplin is or isnt has any bearing on how good of a footballer Howe is
With respect, I found your question so stupid I cannt wrap my head around it
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a half full one of these?
(http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=i&source=imgres&cd=&ved=0CAYQjBwwAGoVChMIkNDRvrO3yAIVRxymCh1bogYv&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thedeltagroupva.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F07%2Fseptic-truck-cropped2.jpg&psig=AFQjCNHhDbZR5-dWubclncprP0xgSGYsMQ&ust=1444549262945292)
you still havnt explained how good a footballer chaplin is or isnt has any bearing on how good of a footballer Howe is
With respect, I found your question so simple I cannt wrap my head around it
lol, lets try it another way.
why even mention Chaplin when we are discussing if another player is any good?
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Due to the fact the laws of the sport, state you can only play 18 at a time
Cause you can then put a bullet in chappy, sens him off to the glue factory. And play the marking guy in te back line ?
It's not are watts, Sj, Henderson, Howe, Kreuzer are crap or not. It's are they less crap, than te curren options. Hampson grigg Houli Chaplin and assorted mates
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ah i see. if he replaces chappy he suddenly becomes a good footballer
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ah i see. if he replaces chappy he suddenly becomes a good footballer
We should not chase an average player cause they are average
But we can sit on our pool of poor players, no problem? And continue to play them on wings or CHB
I'm not far off calling the CAT team. Nice knowing u all
:gotigers
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North Melbourne has made a significant bid to lure Melbourne high-flyer Jeremy Howe to the club, according to Channel Seven.
It's been reported that senior coach Brad Scott and football boss Geoff Walsh are leading the race to try to get Howe to Arden street.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-11/trade-winds-roos-pounce-on-demon
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he will kick 8 on chaplin for norf :snidegrin
bachelor will still be playing on waite or a resting goldstien :clapping
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he will kick 8 on chaplin for norf :snidegrin
bachelor will still be playing on waite or a resting goldstien :clapping
There's the actual problem.
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Howe is shyte....high flying shyte, but still shyte nonetheless.
/thread.
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Howe is shyte....high flying shyte, but still shyte nonetheless.
/thread.
He's just a lot less shyte than our players who play a similar ROLES. Geez that would make him a pretty decent upgrade. In fact roles aside this year he would have been in front of 25 - 30 odd of our players. That would make him easily a top 22 player.
If you think him an outright spud it would be eassy to say your opinion of most of our players would have to be scathing.
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Thank you
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Howe is shyte....high flying shyte, but still shyte nonetheless.
/thread.
He's just a lot less shyte than our players who play a similar ROLES. Geez that would make him a pretty decent upgrade. In fact roles aside this year he would have been in front of 25 - 30 odd of our players. That would make him easily a top 22 player.
If you think him an outright spud it would be eassy to say your opinion of most of our players would have to be scathing.
No he's just as shyte as them.....you're just enamoured by his big grabs.....plus you have a tendency to overrate opposition spuds just as much as some of our supporters overrate ours...
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And what outstanding attribute is the reason you lot (not rest of the footy world , predominately , delusional Richmond fans ) tend to overrate Chappy?
His ability to point, yell at his teammates actually having a crack?
Putting fingers in various orifices whilst pretending to be a professional athlete?
Certainly not the ability to jump and catch a ball ala Howe
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The only reason why I rate Chappy ( I am opening myself up here) is the argument that Rance seems to play better when he is in the team. Rance got towelled up last time Chappy didn't play.
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That is fair enough somewht, But:Correlation does not imply causation
* How many times , since Chappy has even at Richmond has rance had a bad game?
* How many of those , were Chappy not in th side
If you actually look into it , I reckon you'll find it's a myth. Probably that came from from one line of an interview , spin. I don't buy into rance has been good or significant better for three years cause of Troy. I put it more down to him being a gun
The question maybe Is then ; why wouldn't rance be equally good , with Howe or Carlisle or Tomlinson. Chances are , he'd be better still with higher quality teammates
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Howe is shyte....high flying shyte, but still shyte nonetheless.
/thread.
He's just a lot less shyte than our players who play a similar ROLES. Geez that would make him a pretty decent upgrade. In fact roles aside this year he would have been in front of 25 - 30 odd of our players. That would make him easily a top 22 player.
If you think him an outright spud it would be eassy to say your opinion of most of our players would have to be scathing.
No he's just as shyte as them.....you're just enamoured by his big grabs.....plus you have a tendency to overrate opposition spuds just as much as some of our supporters overrate ours...
:yep
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And what outstanding attribute is the reason you lot (not rest of the footy world , predominately , delusional Richmond fans ) tend to overrate Chappy?
:nope :yep :nope :yep :chuck
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That is fair enough somewht, But:Correlation does not imply causation
* How many times , since Chappy has even at Richmond has rance had a bad game?
* How many of those , were Chappy not in th side
If you actually look into it , I reckon you'll find it's a myth. Probably that came from from one line of an interview , spin. I don't buy into rance has been good or significant better for three years cause of Troy. I put it more down to him being a gun
The question maybe Is then ; why wouldn't rance be equally good , with Howe or Carlisle or Tomlinson. Chances are , he'd be better still with higher quality teammates
Yeah fair call.
I am ambivalent about Chappy as opposed to being a fan or hater. It may be a myth, actually it probably is, that Rance plays better with Chappy in the team. However, Rance played a lot of poo games before Chappy arrived and not many afterwards.
This probably has a lot to do with development and divine intervention as opposed to Chappy himself but I don't think RFC will take that chance.
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BREAKING: Jeremy Howe has officially requested a trade from Melbourne. Out of contract, won't be there next season.
https://twitter.com/AFLTrade
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I'm sure Santa Claws & Bent Judge Joe will be happy for us to cough up the 600k p.a. he's apparently asking for......
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I'm sure Santa Claws & Bent Judge Joe will be happy for us to cough up the 600k p.a. he's apparently asking for......
Geez Geez is that for two years combined or just one year
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per annum Chucky.....and that's 50 k less than what he was allegedly asking for originally.....
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per annum Chucky.....and that's 50 k less than what he was allegedly asking for originally.....
Well stuff me, based on that pay scale we should offer Treloar $1.2m per season
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Howe is shyte....high flying shyte, but still shyte nonetheless.
/thread.
He's just a lot less shyte than our players who play a similar ROLES. Geez that would make him a pretty decent upgrade. In fact roles aside this year he would have been in front of 25 - 30 odd of our players. That would make him easily a top 22 player.
If you think him an outright spud it would be easy to say your opinion of most of our players would have to be scathing.
No he's just as shyte as them.....you're just enamoured by his big grabs.....plus you have a tendency to overrate opposition spuds just as much as some of our supporters overrate ours...
Name them IN CONTEXT AND AT WHAT COST.
I could reel off many i wanted which is most us who have worked out, but i would only be accused of big noting myself.
The players i have put out there this yr to go after. Henderson, Carlisle, SJ, Plowman,Bastinac, Townsend, Hall, Kruezer, Tomlinson, Litherland, Seedsman, Kerridge, With Tomlinson always the bloke i wanted most. Funnily enough Howe is not a player i have advocated we go after, i have just made the observation that he would be an upgrade on many of our current players.
No hes a better player than many on our list IMO of course.
Yes i like the fact he can take a grab he does it regularly and is a strength of his game.
Im never enamored by any player, it is simply a matter of Performance, strenghths weaknesess and the role they can perform.
No one is saying hes a champion but he would be a reasonable upgrade on what we have. Isnt that what trading is all about improving your list even if sometimes it is only incremental improvment.
So hes APPARENTLY asking for 600k. he is or he isnt which is it. 600K is too much, that i can agree on.
Personally id have him at richmond and play him as a marking h/f flanker, at 190cm that makes him a real tall and a difficult player to match up on. The last season he played fwd was 2013 and he kicked 28 goals. That would just about make him our second most prolific goals scorer.
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per annum Chucky.....and that's 50 k less than what he was allegedly asking for originally.....
Well stuff me, based on that pay scale we should offer Treloar $1.2m per season
Should of dangerfield
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BREAKING: Jeremy Howe has officially requested a trade from Melbourne. Out of contract, won't be there next season.
https://twitter.com/AFLTrade
Bloody smart thing to do. I'd get the heck out of the Dees, even with Roos they are crap. Just as long as I didnt end up at the Bears.
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and yet they got the wood over dimma
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who has the wood over clarkson....
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I'd get wood over Clarkson if he coached us....
.....besides Richmond are best at beating themselves, so he'd be a good fit....
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Howe is shyte....high flying shyte, but still shyte nonetheless.
this maybe so
yet you succeed in missing the point, in question
its; "is he more or less shyte, that the current options"
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Much of a muchness
poo still looks and smells like poo regardless of what it is dressed in
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Much of a muchness
poo still looks and smells like poo regardless of what it is dressed in
were as other would say maybe;
howe > chaplin
kreuzer / burger > hampson
crowley > thomas
:whistle
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Can play this guy. Is clearly a forward
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Can mark this guy but do stuff all else. Is clearly a hack.
efa
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reasonably fit, pretty good kick both sides, versatile (but best used as a forward) and is a quality mark. played all his pre-afl as a forward. could be very good getting the 3rd or 4th defender.
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hes gone to collingwood
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Sandra Sully with the late news, well done Simo :lol
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Much of a muchness
poo still looks and smells like poo regardless of what it is dressed in
But we could've sprinkled him with glitter :banghead :banghead :banghead
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howe > chaplin
crowley > thomas
:lol
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Sandra Sully with the late news, well done Simo :lol
Hahah that cracked me up.
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Much of a muchness
poo still looks and smells like poo regardless of what it is dressed in
But we could've sprinkled him with glitter :banghead :banghead :banghead
la la la la la la ....ohhh, look....its shiny
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howe > chaplin
crowley > thomas
:lol
You reckon Thomas Better than Crawley?
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howe > chaplin
crowley > thomas
:lol
You reckon Thomas Better than Crawley?
I just think they are strange comparisons. Howe compared to (arguably) a KPD and an inside mid to a tagger. Wacky justifications for ordinary footballers.
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and you are surprised why?
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howe > chaplin
crowley > thomas
:lol
You reckon Thomas Better than Crawley?
I just think they are strange comparisons. Howe compared to (arguably) a KPD and an inside mid to a tagger. Wacky justifications for ordinary footballers.
Ok
You think grigg is better than Crowley?
Tagger v tagger
That's about as apples vs apples as it gets
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Grigg Chaplin
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Hampson
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Aka the three wise men