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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: 🏅Dooks on October 22, 2015, 02:36:49 PM
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Vote up
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Difficult to rate at the moment ..
What if Townsend is another " Miles" ?
What if Yazza has career best season ?
Very happy to still be holding on to pick 12 - although that may disappoint some of my fellow keyboard warriors posters
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The trade period wash-up ends up:
In: Yarran, Townsend
Out: pick 31, pick 70, 2016 round two pick.
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Wallace on SEN rated our trade period a C-.
* Got Townsend for next to nothing. Tough kid and welcome on your list as he is a worker.
* Plough doesn't rate Yarran. You'll get a spike early on then you'll get more of the same we've seen. Pick 19 was about right as a trade market price.
* Richmond spoke up their chances prior to the trade period but didn't do a lot.
* They believed they had Treloar but missed out.
* Two years in a row they haven't done a lot and missed out on a big name.
* Still haven't got that small forward as Yarran is playing back. Need to find it in the draft - eg: Rioli or Ah Chee.
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Yarren will be 100 times better than McMahon Wallace .
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i recken ol leather head is on the money here.
i too expect yarran to have a good year next, then drop off as he gets in the comfort zone.
just as long as he doesn't suffer too much white line fever , that is
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i recken ol leather head is on the money here.
i too expect yarran to have a good year next, then drop off as he gets in the comfort zone.
just as long as he doesn't suffer too much white line fever , that is
Took the words right out of my mouth. I hope he is wrong but have a feeling he will be pretty close on all these.
Overall gave a 3, fairly poor i think.
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Reckon we'll be lucky to get a dozen good games from him....
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...oh and in before bo gives it a 10.... :shh
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Average
Wanted us to be daring and trade out and we failed to do that
Yes we almost traded out Astbury but that wasn't exactly what one would call being "daring"
I think our obsession with getting Yarran meant we let trade time pass us by
Very happy with the Townsend deal, that should be a win for us
Yarran we will revisit in mid 2017. No point looking at in 2016 as he will as others have said have good year. It is the years after that will determine if we got it right
But in the Meantime he is now a new Richmond player and he gets my support
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Who voted above average and why?
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Brett Anderson on SEN has us as one of the three biggest losers from the trade period along with Freo and Sydney. His main reasons for that being (i) Yarran and Townsend won't win you a final and (ii) that Richmond's leading players are flaky and they brought in one of the flakiest players out there in Yarran.
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Brett Anderson nailed it.
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Reckon we'll be lucky to get a dozen good games from him....
As long as one of them is a final
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Good luck making finals carrying a bloke for 10-11 games a year....
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Anyway...all's not lost....pretty sure Blair the Astute will still pick us up another DFA or two..... :shh
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Shocked at not going for a ruck or / and key defender
Worrying how highly the club rates some of our players
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I can't think of any other reason that your last comment
Dea, Astbury, Conca, Ellis, Griffiths
They must think we have a premiership 22 at punt road
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They've thought we have since the end of 2013...only needed Hamspud, Hunt and Yarran to complete the charge to premiership glory... :gotigers
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we cant be happy with what we did really when u look at it we knew all along yarran wanted to come to use just a matter of making the deal knowing that we should have still tried to pull off a bigger name yeah we tried to offload Astbury come on really who cares... We have list cloggers that wouldn't get a game at any other afl club, Gordon, Llyold, Hampson, Morris, Dea, pick 12 would want to be a good one as we really have nothing after that
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We might get lucky with our second pick but after that it's finger paintings in brown
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Positives:
We didn't lose Lennon
Got Yarran without giving up pick 12.
Yarran is also taking a pay cut to play with us (less than 500k pa from what I've heard).
Townsend for peanuts. I think he might play 10 -15 games for us next year, could be the tagger we desperately need.
Didn't lose any of our A graders. Obvious, but remember Rance was still in doubt halfway through this season, Martin also re-signed this season, could have been 2013 all over again.
Negatives:
Missed out on Treloar.
No Ruckman picked.
Couldn't land the "big fish", which the flow on effect of which is, that we signed a lot of our top talent for under market value on the proviso we were going to land a top A grader, which didn't happen. A lot of these guys will either be frustrated at the very least, and may be (should be) asking for more money when their next contracts are up.
Would have liked to see a little more aggression. Conca, Astbury wouldn't have given us much, but I think its time we moved them on. Can't see Conca playing more than a bit role for us, which is always good, but he was our number one pick from 2010 and we should be expecting much more from that investment. Also sends a message.
Overall, agree with Plow's assessment. C-. Barely a pass and not good enough. Disappointing.
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Richmond was like a desperate Jerry Maguire yelling "SHOW ME THE MONEY!" whilst Bob Sugar got all the big fish, meanwhile we still have to appease a self centred hothead thats only interested in the quan. :rollin
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Yarren will be 100 times better than McMahon Wallace .
That we will have to wait and see.Very similar players in many ways. The major difference being Yarran,s better foot skills.Both quick both soft outside players who dont have a defensive side to them..
The trade is identical in a way. Both had 7 years at their previous clubs, both utimately cost nd pick 19. McMahon lasted just two seasons, we had better hope we get a bit more than that this time around.
I still think we paid overs for this bloke, imo we went and got a bloke who really was and is the least of our needs. We had plenty of options for the role we went and got him for.
Every where i go i talk about changing the backline and people keep saying why change an area that came top in the league. If that is the case and logic of most why did we then go and get Yarren to play off h/b.
I have long maintained McIntosh should have Batchelors role and a kid like Menadue should be played off h/b. Imo that would straight away increase tenfold our pace and run of h/b and these two blokes will defend.
Personally i hope they run the guts out of Yarran in the off season and we play him on a wing. I would be very tempted to play Houli on the other wing or try him as a fwd for awhile.
Any way i think Wallace is right for once barley a pass.
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Hard question to answer this one - should revisit in 12 months when we know how Townsend and Yarran work out.
If Yarran produces his best with some consistency, and Townsend becomes the next Miles, then we are the winners for sure.
But they could easily be duds.
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Think we're going be relying on "natural improvement" yet again....things like Conca staying injury free and finally showing why he went at pick 6....Hamspud finally learning to play football.....Hardwick finally learning to coach and show faith in young talent.....the side finally learning how to shepherd, tackle, protect each other, run both ways, demonstrate composure & good decision making under pressure.....on field leaders to stand up when it really matters.....the forward line finally fuctioning as a cohesive unit....not take the first 6 rounds to wake up.. ..yep all that and minimal injuries....should be no problem....
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Geelong built a premiership dynasty by going to the draft ea year and snow balling an A grade core . that's the model :clapping . we learnt our lesson following 2001 when we went out and got Stafford , houlihan and Hudson that ignoring the A graders by topping up with waste is a fools paradise :shh
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i thought u were banned for trolling ?
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Stafford is better than any ruckman we have had since Gales prime, hardly waste. this guy must be a troll ??
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overall i think we did ok, our Draft is effectively = Draft Yarran Draft Townsend Draft (upgrade) etc
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So many of us here point to the frailties of our footballl club,and yes there are many.However I think we sometimes forget the huge strides we have made the past few years.Firstly it appears we have got our off field act together.In the years to come this will be reflected in the on field as more resources are put into this area.
We have built up a membership base second to none.And these are supporters who are flocking to our games in droves.And who doesnt think that with more on field success this could explode even more.
On field we put together a backline that is one of the most miserly in the league.
we have stabilised our rucks
we have a midfield that does run hot and cold but really in the scheme of things is only just now reaching maturity.
Our forward line does need work theres no doubt about that..But i want to think that with some more tinkering the upside is huge.
Lets try to solve the faults we have but not highlight them to the point we cloud whats happening that is good
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All means stuff all if we don't win finals.....need to set the bar higher and stop just being happy with bettering previous Richmond sides and start worrying about bettering the current top sides......
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Geelong built a premiership dynasty by going to the draft ea year and snow balling an A grade core . that's the model :clapping . we learnt our lesson following 2001 when we went out and got Stafford , houlihan and Hudson that ignoring the A graders by topping up with waste is a fools paradise :shh
Did Geelong go to draft when the Giants and the suns entered the competition and got all those draft concessions?
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best i could give is below average.
There are so many things wrong and we just ignored them. We just went thru a trade fest and we hardly participated. We ignored the list and its greater needs and went and got a hbf, the least of our worries. We then traded out of TWO SECOND ROUND PICKS not realising it was not what was required. The process to get Yarran was poor and thinking behind us getting him a huge concern.
For me the only good part of trade week was Aquireing townsend. He not only met a need but he has genuine potential and upside.
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Poor.
And that's generous!
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I'd say a solid 6 ... just above average, just by a bit. It really takes hindsight to know whether your trading passed or failed, so I'll submit a vote after round 15 or so!
Best I can say is that we filled a list need with Townsend (tackling) & with Yarran (speed, footskills), so it can't be deemed a complete failure. We also retained all of our youth (Lennon, C Ellis, Menadue, etc) ... that has to be better than terrible!
Our trading may be just 6/10 but our bullet-dodging was a spectacular 9/10! ;D
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Only thing that stopped it being below average for me was the fact we held onto pick 12
The fact we again refused to be daring in trading out to improve our draft position I find really frustrating & disappointing
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Below average at this stage
Depends on the output of Yarran and Townsend
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Below average at this stage
Depends on the output of Yarran and Townsend
x 2
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It was unimaginative and safe.
Not so sure that is how you play off for a flag.
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It was pathetic. This is a business of winning finals and flags not finishing 7th or 8th. We are simply not a destination of choice, that is so obvious and another thing which is obvious is that ol Blair Hackley rates most of the players on our list more than anyone else does.
The positive is not on Richmond its on Yarran as he is the only person who chose us and yet we waited and blew all our energy on this one deal till the very end, while other deals could have been done and were done with others.
Leather face was too kind.
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Good luck making finals carrying a bloke for 10-11 games a year....
in fairness we have done that for the last three years
:outtahere
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....yeah really should've added "yet another".....
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Good luck making finals carrying a bloke for 10-11 games a year....
3 years in a row carrying Chaplin, Newman, Morris (for 2) and Conca.
We should nail the finals this year!
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The AFL website was much more generous. They gave us a B+.
Trade Period: The final verdict
Nathan Schmook
afl.com.au
October 22, 2015
RICHMOND
In: Jacob Townsend (GWS), Chris Yarran (Carlton), pick 120
Out: Picks 31, 70 and a 2016 second-round pick
2015 draft picks: 12, 52, 88, 106, 120, 124
Filled a need:
Tough inside midfielder Jacob Townsend should play straight away. The 22-year-old was targeted a long way out by the Tigers and he had an offer on the table to stay at Greater Western Sydney. He will help Trent Cotchin and Anthony Miles in particular, with Richmond's midfield depth a concern going into the Trade Period.
Still to find: A ruckman.
The Tigers won't use a premium draft pick on a young one, but it could be an area they look to add more depth in through a mature state-league recruit on the rookie list. - Nathan Schmook
Nathan Schmook’s verdict:
The Tigers were rewarded for refusing to buckle and hand over more than market value for Yarran. In the final 30 minutes the Blues caved and accepted pick No.19, which the Tigers had earlier traded for. For a team looking to take the next step and win a final, the Tigers might have done just enough. They sniffed around the edges of other big-name deals but didn't get involved, taking a conservative approach. Will that help the Tigers make the leap they need to? Ultimately, that is how this Trade Period will be judged for them.
Rating: B+
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-22/trade-period-the-final-verdict
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Well time will tell, I would say a C-B now.
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It was pathetic. This is a business of winning finals and flags not finishing 7th or 8th. We are simply not a destination of choice, that is so obvious and another thing which is obvious is that ol Blair Hackley rates most of the players on our list more than anyone else does.
The positive is not on Richmond its on Yarran as he is the only person who chose us and yet we waited and blew all our energy on this one deal till the very end, while other deals could have been done and were done with others.
Leather face was too kind.
I think we blew all our energy on getting Treloar, Yarran was always going to come to us. I think we played the Yarran deal quite well all things considered.
Agree, we're not a desirable destination at the moment. How much of that is Hartley's fault, how much is it the teams for not performing of recent and blowing finals?
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Who voted above average and why?
Doing nothing would be average to poor.
Brought in at least 1 if not two best 22 players.
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Who voted above average and why?
Doing nothing would be average to poor.
Brought in at least 1 if not two best 22 players.
How does that relatively compare to other teams?
I think you also have to consider what picks were traded.
Relativity.
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Who voted above average and why?
Doing nothing would be average to poor.
Brought in at least 1 if not two best 22 players.
How does that relatively compare to other teams?
I think you also have to consider what picks were traded.
Relativity.
Good theory.
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It was pathetic. This is a business of winning finals and flags not finishing 7th or 8th. We are simply not a destination of choice, that is so obvious and another thing which is obvious is that ol Blair Hackley rates most of the players on our list more than anyone else does.
The positive is not on Richmond its on Yarran as he is the only person who chose us and yet we waited and blew all our energy on this one deal till the very end, while other deals could have been done and were done with others.
Leather face was too kind.
I think we blew all our energy on getting Treloar, Yarran was always going to come to us. I think we played the Yarran deal quite well all things considered.
Agree, we're not a desirable destination at the moment. How much of that is Hartley's fault, how much is it the teams for not performing of recent and blowing finals?
Agree with the first bit about Treloar and Yarran. I also think we got played by Blucher, he is a slimy poo.
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Seriously some other clubs absolutely destroyed this trade period.
Look at what Carlton, Melbourne and Adelaide achieved.
Yes they paid high prices (Henderson, Yarran, Menzel, Dangerfield, Kerridge) but they sure as hell got good deals coming back to them.
We got one reasonable proven player, and one relative unknown, at the expense of two 2nd round picks and a 4th rounder. Very 50-50.
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Those that were on offer as midfielders, wingers, flankers, We have plenty of that type. We added pace with Yarran. We have others like him who can do the job but his experience is a factor to moving the ball quicker than we have been. l'm more than satisfied with the trades. Yarran to Martin to goal will rip it up.
:gotigers
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Seriously some other clubs absolutely destroyed this trade period.
Look at what Carlton, Melbourne and Adelaide achieved.
Yes they paid high prices (Henderson, Yarran, Menzel, Dangerfield, Kerridge) but they sure as hell got good deals coming back to them.
We got one reasonable proven player, and one relative unknown, at the expense of two 2nd round picks and a 4th rounder. Very 50-50.r
All those trades are worth nothing until you get results. Collingwood has traded out half their team in the last few years and have been going backwards.
Case in point. Dogs just delisted their former no.5 pick.....
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Dogs just delisted their former no.5 pick.....
wow he played most the year l wonder why
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Seriously some other clubs absolutely destroyed this trade period.
Look at what Carlton, Melbourne and Adelaide achieved.
Yes they paid high prices (Henderson, Yarran, Menzel, Dangerfield, Kerridge) but they sure as hell got good deals coming back to them.
We got one reasonable proven player, and one relative unknown, at the expense of two 2nd round picks and a 4th rounder. Very 50-50.
I'd argue Carlton and Adelaide have poorer lists after trading if you exclude the draft picks they collected.
Activity doesn't necessarily equal success in the trade period
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Seriously some other clubs absolutely destroyed this trade period.
Look at what Carlton, Melbourne and Adelaide achieved.
Yes they paid high prices (Henderson, Yarran, Menzel, Dangerfield, Kerridge) but they sure as hell got good deals coming back to them.
We got one reasonable proven player, and one relative unknown, at the expense of two 2nd round picks and a 4th rounder. Very 50-50.r
All those trades are worth nothing until you get results. Collingwood has traded out half their team in the last few years and have been going backwards.
Case in point. Dogs just delisted their former no.5 pick.....
Collingwood has only traded players that had serious limitations or that wanted to leave, right? Or am I forgetting somebody? But acquiring targets like Treloar and Aish will hold them in good stead for the future. I'm confident they'll move up next year...
As for the dogs, yeah they lucked out on pick 5 from 2007, long time ago.
As for their recent draftees/early picks who have had at least two years to show us if they're any good they've taken:
Pick 6 (+ Griffen) 2014 for Boyd (possible gun?)
Bontempelli pick 4 2013 (gun)
Pick 26 2013 for Crameri (serviceable)
Jake Stringer pick 5 2012 (gun)
Jackson Macrae pick 6 2012 (gun)
Toby McLean and Lukas Webb, too early to tell.
But with early picks they have definitely acquired what will be the nucleus of a competitive team IMO.
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I know it's a big call but if they can keep that doggies team together and add to it in future seasons I can see them breaking their GF drought and being a strong finals team. Whether they can win the big dance again who knows
But I like the team they're putting together
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Seriously some other clubs absolutely destroyed this trade period.
Look at what Carlton, Melbourne and Adelaide achieved.
Yes they paid high prices (Henderson, Yarran, Menzel, Dangerfield, Kerridge) but they sure as hell got good deals coming back to them.
We got one reasonable proven player, and one relative unknown, at the expense of two 2nd round picks and a 4th rounder. Very 50-50.r
All those trades are worth nothing until you get results. Collingwood has traded out half their team in the last few years and have been going backwards.
Case in point. Dogs just delisted their former no.5 pick.....
Collingwood has only traded players that had serious limitations or that wanted to leave, right? Or am I forgetting somebody? But acquiring targets like Treloar and Aish will hold them in good stead for the future. I'm confident they'll move up next year...
As for the dogs, yeah they lucked out on pick 5 from 2007, long time ago.
As for their recent draftees/early picks who have had at least two years to show us if they're any good they've taken:
Pick 6 (+ Griffen) 2014 for Boyd (possible gun?)
Bontempelli pick 4 2013 (gun)
Pick 26 2013 for Crameri (serviceable)
Jake Stringer pick 5 2012 (gun)
Jackson Macrae pick 6 2012 (gun)
Toby McLean and Lukas Webb, too early to tell.
But with early picks they have definitely acquired what will be the nucleus of a competitive team IMO.
I didn't say draft picks were no good. I said trading players for draft picks is no guarantee of anything. Most of the real guns you just mentioned were straight picks. They didn't have to sacrifice anything to get them. And their lies the problem. Once you have to sacrifice something, you'd better make sure that what you are getting turns out better than the player sacrificed.
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I didn't say draft picks were no good. I said trading players for draft picks is no guarantee of anything. Most of the real guns you just mentioned were straight picks. They didn't have to sacrifice anything to get them. And their lies the problem. Once you have to sacrifice something, you'd better make sure that what you are getting turns out better than the player sacrificed.
Fair point, but I suppose what I'm getting at is that they have gotten decent deals considering the circumstances (deals for players that didn't want to stay at their clubs).
Barring Troy Menzel all of Carlton's departures wanted to leave - Bell, Yarran and Henderson (all of which would get a game at RFC IMO). They traded out picks 20 (decent), 41 (dud), 77 (dud) and 95 (dud).
In exchange they got Sam Kerridge, Andrew Phillips, Lachie Plowman, Jed Lamb, Liam Sumner - five players with upside or potential, and picks 8 (good), 11 (good), 19 (decent) and 60 (dud).
Dangerfield wanted out of Adelaide, and Kerridge wasn't best 22 for most of the year in a well-performed side. Adelaide also traded picks 32 (probably dud), 53 (dud) and 2016 2nd rounder (probably good/decent).
And in exchange got Menzel, Hampton, Seedsman and Gore, as well as pick 9. Good players with upside and potential again, as well as a top pick.
Melbourne lost Howe (overrated IMO), Fitzpatrick (meh) and Toumpas (meh), as well as picks 6, 25, 64 and 2016 first rounder.
In exchange for Kennedy, Melksham, Bugg and picks 3, 7, 50 and 94.
Compare this to RFC who traded a dud pick for a bloke not getting a game and a more dud pick, and two 2nd round picks for Yarran. It was safe trading, generally uninvolved and uninspiring. Townsend could be the next Miles or the next Arnot. Yarran could be an A-grade player or a C-grade player. Just wish our club was a bit more daring sometimes...
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I know it's a big call but if they can keep that doggies team together and add to it in future seasons I can see them breaking their GF drought and being a strong finals team. Whether they can win the big dance again who knows
But I like the team they're putting together
And think what they will be like with Liberatore back in the side. Very exciting brand of football too. An entertaining team to watch, kinda like Port from 2013-2014 but IMO more sustainable...
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Gave the RFC five extra points for not chasing Carlisle
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I know it's a big call but if they can keep that doggies team together and add to it in future seasons I can see them breaking their GF drought and being a strong finals team. Whether they can win the big dance again who knows
But I like the team they're putting together
And think what they will be like with Liberatore back in the side. Very exciting brand of football too. An entertaining team to watch, kinda like Port from 2013-2014 but IMO more sustainable...
Decent backman and ruckman and woah :shh. Although I don't mind Minson
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Gave them the solitary poor vote because they didn't land the BIG FISH!!!!! :lol
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People make me laugh- some more excited about Townsend than Yarran. There is a 95% chance Townsend will just be another Gordon type and only a 5% chance of him becoming the next Miles.
Yarran at his very best is an A grader, I don't think many could argue that. Sure he has to get his head right but I'm tipping it's easier for us to do that like we have with Dusty, than turn a kid like Townsend into an A grader. Or even a B grader.
Pick 19 for Yarran is the bargain of the century if you consider, other than Rance, who we have drafted after the first round for a very long time.
I would have loved to have been bold and traded out Astbury, Conca, Griffiths and Ellis but we didn't so we move on but surely the first 3 named are on their last chances. Ellis I just cannot stand as a footballer.
Rated it a C overall.
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Gary Buckenara's club-by-club analysis
Matt Smith
Herald-Sun
October 24, 2015
RICHMOND
The Tigers are a bit status quo despite the additions of Yarran and Townsend — they have maybe marginally improved the list. They went after the big fish in Treloar and Hamish Hartlett but didn’t get them, which is disappointing for them but they keep pick No. 12, which is a good result. The price was right for Yarran at No. 19, a fair and reasonable deal for both parties and he’ll add great speed and ball use off halfback along with Bachar Houli. He’s just the sort of player they were looking for.
http://www.themercury.com.au/afl-trades-2015-gary-buckenara-says-carlton-trade-winners-club-by-club-analysis/story-fnj3twbb-1227580085386
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Gary Buckenara's club-by-club analysis
Matt Smith
Herald-Sun
October 24, 2015
RICHMOND
The Tigers are a bit status quo despite the additions of Yarran and Townsend — they have maybe marginally improved the list. They went after the big fish in Treloar and Hamish Hartlett but didn’t get them, which is disappointing for them but they keep pick No. 12, which is a good result. The price was right for Yarran at No. 19, a fair and reasonable deal for both parties and he’ll add great speed and ball use off halfback along with Bachar Houli. He’s just the sort of player they were looking for.
http://www.themercury.com.au/afl-trades-2015-gary-buckenara-says-carlton-trade-winners-club-by-club-analysis/story-fnj3twbb-1227580085386
HB: Yarren - Chaplin - Houli
:lol
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HB: Yarren - Chaplin - Houli
:lol
Grimes - Rance - Chaplin
Yarran - Vlastuin - Houli
Real shame we didn't chase a bloke like Tomlinson to replace Chaplin. Fingers crossed Astbury can get his body right and go past him this year. Don't see a spot for Batchelor down there unless they move Vlastuin to the midfield, which is a good idea IMO...
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no one one is going to go past chaplin, in terms of pecking order, that is. he is another newman and will be there as long as he wants.
getting your hopes up other will go past him is just setting yourself up for disappointment
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Another Nahas-like stuff up and he'll probably be assassinated...
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People make me laugh- some more excited about Townsend than Yarran. There is a 95% chance Townsend will just be another Gordon type and only a 5% chance of him becoming the next Miles.
Yarran at his very best is an A grader, I don't think many could argue that. Sure he has to get his head right but I'm tipping it's easier for us to do that like we have with Dusty, than turn a kid like Townsend into an A grader. Or even a B grader.
Pick 19 for Yarran is the bargain of the century if you consider, other than Rance, who we have drafted after the first round for a very long time.
I would have loved to have been bold and traded out Astbury, Conca, Griffiths and Ellis but we didn't so we move on but surely the first 3 named are on their last chances. Ellis I just cannot stand as a footballer.
Rated it a C overall.
Ah, so he's either the next Miles or Gordon. No in between? Nothing like Chaplin, Grigg or Houli who we have turned into serviceable players? I agree with the sentiment of the chances being slim but I disagree with your conclusion of there being a better chance of turning Yarran good than Townsend. We have a relatively successful rate of turning lesser likes into serviceable players but been very poor at doing anything good with players who's issues are in their head
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People make me laugh- some more excited about Townsend than Yarran. There is a 95% chance Townsend will just be another Gordon type and only a 5% chance of him becoming the next Miles.
Rated it a C overall.
Don't know where you plucked those figures from, but the facts say that he managed to get games at GWS amongst every talented kid out of the draft pools of '11, '12 & 13. Conclude how you will, I'm looking forward to seeing what he brings. Considering we picked him up for a late 4th rounder, even at your 5% chance of pushing to be an A graders, its a better shot than just a 4th round pick in a weak draft.
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HB: Yarren - Chaplin - Houli
:lol
Grimes - Rance - Chaplin
Yarran - Vlastuin - Houli
Real shame we didn't chase a bloke like Tomlinson to replace Chaplin. Fingers crossed Astbury can get his body right and go past him this year. Don't see a spot for Batchelor down there unless they move Vlastuin to the midfield, which is a good idea IMO...
Looks like two squibs too many ...
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The AFL website has us last on it's "trade ladder" ...
18. RICHMOND
Missed out on key target Treloar, but it's hard to knock the Tigers given they held their nerve and got Chris Yarran for pick No.19 and Giants inside midfielder Jacob Townsend for a steal. Should they, or could they, have done more? They will say no, but success-starved supporters can be a demanding lot.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-24/the-trade-ladder-where-did-your-club-finish
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One eyed..Did they have us last as in the worse performed during trade period or last as in the last discussed?
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Gary Buckenara's club-by-club analysis
Matt Smith
Herald-Sun
October 24, 2015
RICHMOND
The Tigers are a bit status quo despite the additions of Yarran and Townsend — they have maybe marginally improved the list. They went after the big fish in Treloar and Hamish Hartlett but didn’t get them, which is disappointing for them but they keep pick No. 12, which is a good result. The price was right for Yarran at No. 19, a fair and reasonable deal for both parties and he’ll add great speed and ball use off halfback along with Bachar Houli. He’s just the sort of player they were looking for.
http://www.themercury.com.au/afl-trades-2015-gary-buckenara-says-carlton-trade-winners-club-by-club-analysis/story-fnj3twbb-1227580085386
HB: Yarren - Chaplin - Houli
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Yep can see us walk into a big pressure game and watch the house of cards fold.There is no place for all of them bar one. Take your pick they all come with loads of baggage.
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People make me laugh- some more excited about Townsend than Yarran. There is a 95% chance Townsend will just be another Gordon type and only a 5% chance of him becoming the next Miles.
Yarran at his very best is an A grader, I don't think many could argue that. Sure he has to get his head right but I'm tipping it's easier for us to do that like we have with Dusty, than turn a kid like Townsend into an A grader. Or even a B grader.
Pick 19 for Yarran is the bargain of the century if you consider, other than Rance, who we have drafted after the first round for a very long time.
I would have loved to have been bold and traded out Astbury, Conca, Griffiths and Ellis but we didn't so we move on but surely the first 3 named are on their last chances. Ellis I just cannot stand as a footballer.
Rated it a C overall.
Yet those A grade performances are few and far between. The trouble is those good ones are always mixed in with horrid ones on a regular basis. If it didnt happen ther inconsistency and soft dismal efforts every club in the trade period would have thrown the sink at him. yet just one club was truly interested..
We didnt get Townsend to be an Agrader. We got him to do an inside role that is badly lacking. We got him to become a servicable player who Consistently performs his role, now thats something Yarran in 7 yrs has failed to do. But gee when he has a good game once every 4 or 5 weeks its a beauty.
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People make me laugh- some more excited about Townsend than Yarran. There is a 95% chance Townsend will just be another Gordon type and only a 5% chance of him becoming the next Miles.
Yarran at his very best is an A grader, I don't think many could argue that. Sure he has to get his head right but I'm tipping it's easier for us to do that like we have with Dusty, than turn a kid like Townsend into an A grader. Or even a B grader.
Pick 19 for Yarran is the bargain of the century if you consider, other than Rance, who we have drafted after the first round for a very long time.
I would have loved to have been bold and traded out Astbury, Conca, Griffiths and Ellis but we didn't so we move on but surely the first 3 named are on their last chances. Ellis I just cannot stand as a footballer.
Rated it a C overall.
Yet those A grade performances are few and far between. The trouble is those good ones are always mixed in with horrid ones on a regular basis. If it didnt happen ther inconsistency and soft dismal efforts every club in the trade period would have thrown the sink at him. yet just one club was truly interested..
We didnt get Townsend to be an Agrader. We got him to do an inside role that is badly lacking. We got him to become a servicable player who Consistently performs his role, now thats something Yarran in 7 yrs has failed to do. But gee when he has a good game once every 4 or 5 weeks its a beauty.
With all due respect Claw I don't think you know what you are talking about in this situation. I get that you don't rate Yarran but if you are comparing the new new guys, one is a potential A grader that has preformed at a very high level at AFL level and the other one is a guy that most people haven't heard of.
I'm sure you will jump up and down every opportunity you get when Yarran has a bad game, and when he does have a decent game you'll say it should be the norm.