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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Hard Roar Tiger on April 01, 2016, 11:00:41 PM
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As an anointed Apologist I'm done.
The Pies were ripe for the picking but we fell off the tree.
Pathetic. apathetic. Embarrassing.
That is all.
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Poor umpiring
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there were poor decisions both ways,
we were stuffen disgraceful
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Hampson Hunt Cotchin Ellis all stuffn useless.
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and the big girl Griffiths - speaking iof done, im done with that big gumby, FHO!
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Which Ellis?
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........me too. Won't renew membership until softwick is gone. Had his time and failed miserably to build a list with strong leaders and AFL level depth. Our ressies are full of spuds and we still have 6 in the seniors that need replacing
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I still think that desicions cost us that goal which sealed the game but we are to blame.
diabolical decision making and behinds cost us.
once Lids retires we need to rebuild
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I don't care if we lose next week but. Changes need to be made
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I don't care if we lose next week but. Changes need to be made
Changes don't get made at our club anymore.
We make decisions designed to provide stability.
We'll continue to be a joke until we get someone prepared to make decisions designed to win games
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It's an epidemic of woefulness.
The only positive was that it was contagious
F
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Lmao at hardwick carrying on about the depth he's got to choose from in 2016
Now we have to listen to hardwick talk about shots missed and not the lack of leadership, skill, depth......
They wouldn't know what comradery felt like because the joint has no soul.
It's like an 80s display home and it's run by a seppo, a Tasmanian and a try hard coach.
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Very very poor performances two consecutive weeks. Hardwick told everyone he considered the first week a loss, we now have lost again so essentially we havent played decent football for 2 games. The players, coaching staff and everyone else involved with the club need to have a good look at themselves because quite frankly for the 70,000+ members its simply not good enough.
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Mentally weak.
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Same skata, same smell, same spin.
Now what did I call this?
Yes
The Skata Cycle. 34 years and counting. Plop Plop Plop. ®©™
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Very very poor performances two consecutive weeks. Hardwick told everyone he considered the first week a loss, we now have lost again so essentially we havent played decent football for 2 games. The players, coaching staff and everyone else involved with the club need to have a good look at themselves because quite frankly for the 70,000+ members its simply not good enough.
This. :clapping
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4 seconds from being 2-0.
I hate football.
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Have to say that I struggled to get motivated for this season. Assumed I would just get into it as the season started but the first two games have been an absolute chore. Probably just tired of watching others get excited about their teams as they rise and fall, then rise again while we just tread water.
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Intersting caller tonight on SEN
Asked who out of the Richmond team is likeable and who entertains. There are as few as there has ever been? Atleas with Richo he carried our passion through him.
Jack is likeable and entertains, although slightly maligned.
Dusty is likeable and entertains, although maligned heavily across footy circles
Rance yes although not a huge entertainer but inspiring
Maric yes same as Rance
Deledio, both.
Edwards somewhat entertaining
Apart from that there are a lot of RFC players that are just there. Apart from Dusty and Riewoldt who sells tickets to entertain? Not many. Hard to get excited about the footy next week with the brand of footy we have played over 2 weeks.
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Mentally weak.
More than that thoigh
Just stupid and dumb. We pay too much dumb footy at clutch times
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Have to say that I struggled to get motivated for this season. Assumed I would just get into it as the season started but the first two games have been an absolute chore. Probably just tired of watching others get excited about their teams as they rise and fall, then rise again while we just tread water.
Yep. Pretty much.
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I heard Ross Lyon talk about how the art of coaching is to get the collective from where you are to where you need to be.
I also heard Michael Gardiner describe Ross Lyon as his best coach because he "got the most from the most"
I wonder what this playing list would say about Dimma?
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Mentally weak.
More than that thoigh
Just stupid and dumb. We pay too much dumb footy at clutch times
I know you like to blame Hartly for all things that are wrong at the club but I never really hear your thoughts on Dimwit? Team selection? Style of footy? Softness of players?
But you are super quick to pot Cotch for his leadership.
I'd think Dimwit's leadership is just as important as Cotch's and yet I never hear it from you.
I'd personally say he is the worst coach in the AFL. And it starts at selection two days before the game is even played. We play at least 2 or 3 short every week.
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:thumbsdown Injuries are taking its toll on the club. We are very young side. See you next week ;D
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Once again, how much say does Hardwick have in team selection? Is it just him or a committee. Does he have the power to overrule people?
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Once again, how much say does Hardwick have in team selection? Is it just him or a committee. Does he have the power to overrule people?
Every coach has the last say
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Loads of money, no debt, great facilities, resources aplenty, stable off field administration etc.
Too many duds still on and off the field. We keep them too long & don't take risks. (See FJ,Elton Struggled, Blair Hartley, etc.)
We have this former Port Adelaide 2004 premiership jobs for mates footy department. We still have old Francis Jackson still struggling to get picks in the top 10 right. A devolopment department that hasn't really developed a better footy player from what he was when he came. Sure Rance has improved but that might say more about him than the club. The proof is in the results across the whole list.
This club has lost its ruthlessness that demands results & they keep the status quo in the name of "stability".
Even if we recruit decent players we develop them into great administrators rather than ruthless footballers. That's all good if you want them to run the umpiring department but it won't win you a premiership.
As frustrating as it is that Treloar picked Collingwood ahead of Richmond, I don't blame him, I blame the soft, tepid, easy going, clean cut, politically correct, unchallenged, small minded, good to grandma & tame administration. We are a tiger without claws, toothless and SOFT!
Graeme Richmond would be turning in his grave.
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Once again, how much say does Hardwick have in team selection? Is it just him or a committee. Does he have the power to overrule people?
Committee, but coach would over rule on any line ball decisions
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If the coach was overruling the rest of the selection committee on selections, that in itself would show a huge problem
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If the coach was overruling the rest of the selection committee on selections, that in itself would show a huge problem
Not at all. It's the coach who has the say. He has the game plan & picks the players who will match up with the game plans against the opposition. That is why he is the coach. The selectors are just people who gather the information & put forward at the table who is worthy of a game or who would be a possible good match up. Who is available from the medical staff & alot of other things like who will be dropped & who is reprimanded & suspended by the club or the league. Its all laid out on the table & the best players for the team is picked with emergencies & the odd ball selection if your a Kevin Sheedy type of coach ;D
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I know you like to blame Hartly for all things that are wrong at the club but I never really hear your thoughts on Dimwit? Team selection? Style of footy? Softness of players?
But you are super quick to pot Cotch for his leadership.
I'd think Dimwit's leadership is just as important as Cotch's and yet I never hear it from you.
I'd personally say he is the worst coach in the AFL. And it starts at selection two days before the game is even played. We play at least 2 or 3 short every week.
Hmmm
Not sure outside of being critical of Cotchin missing clutch goals last night I've potted Cotchin's leadership this game. If you think he doesn't deserve being criticised for this weakness in his game, then that's fair enough, your call. But it is major issue as it happens far too often
I blame Hartley for the things he has the most influence on. Eg the debacle that is Hampson and let's throw in the 2 year contract that Hunt was given. Look at our list in particular those we retain, this is Blair's domain as the list manager and the evidence is clear I would have thought.
As for Hardwick, I have made it very clear I don't agree with the contract extension, stupid idiotic decision. I've also made it very clear that I believe his biggest weakness his continually playing of favourites who don't warrant it. It has cost so many games I've lost count. It should and will ultimately cost him his job IMHO
As for selection see above. I gave up trying to make sense about selection a long time ago. I think you are being generous when you suggest we play 2-3 short each week. Some weeks we've played 4 down due to selection
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If the coach was overruling the rest of the selection committee on selections, that in itself would show a huge problem
Not at all. It's the coach who has the say. He has the game plan & picks the players who will match up with the game plans against the opposition. That is why he is the coach. The selectors are just people who gather the information & put forward at the table who is worthy of a game or who would be a possible good match up. Who is available from the medical staff & alot of other things like who will be dropped & who is reprimanded & suspended by the club or the league. Its all laid out on the table & the best players for the team is picked with emergencies & the odd ball selection if your a Kevin Sheedy type of coach ;D
I understand that he has the final say, but if he and the other selectors have such a differing opinion on who should be playing that he has to use his ability to override them that is a big problem. It shows that they are not all on the same wavelength
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I thought this thread was about doing a poo
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well.....in a way it is.
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Okay, so say he overruled the committee on more than the odd occasion, do you think he'd get the overwhelming support from everyone at the club?
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I thought this thread was about doing a poo
It's about 22 blokes dropping one in front of 73,000
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I know you like to blame Hartly for all things that are wrong at the club but I never really hear your thoughts on Dimwit? Team selection? Style of footy? Softness of players?
But you are super quick to pot Cotch for his leadership.
I'd think Dimwit's leadership is just as important as Cotch's and yet I never hear it from you.
I'd personally say he is the worst coach in the AFL. And it starts at selection two days before the game is even played. We play at least 2 or 3 short every week.
Hmmm
Not sure outside of being critical of Cotchin missing clutch goals last night I've potted Cotchin's leadership this game. If you think he doesn't deserve being criticised for this weakness in his game, then that's fair enough, your call. But it is major issue as it happens far too often
I blame Hartley for the things he has the most influence on. Eg the debacle that is Hampson and let's throw in the 2 year contract that Hunt was given. Look at our list in particular those we retain, this is Blair's domain as the list manager and the evidence is clear I would have thought.
As for Hardwick, I have made it very clear I don't agree with the contract extension, stupid idiotic decision. I've also made it very clear that I believe his biggest weakness his continually playing of favourites who don't warrant it. It has cost so many games I've lost count. It should and will ultimately cost him his job IMHO
As for selection see above. I gave up trying to make sense about selection a long time ago. I think you are being generous when you suggest we play 2-3 short each week. Some weeks we've played 4 down due to selection
First of all I didn't mention this year considering it's 2 rounds in. You made it very clear last year with your continuous garage about Cotchin's leadership. As I said last year you have NFI what sort of leader Cotch is. All you see from your seat 100 rows back on game day and if Cotch misses a few goals automatically he is a bad leader. I don't mean to be rude WP but you have no idea! So don't pretend you do. I'd prefer someone else as captain too but that's only from the outside looking in. Coaches and players that know a whole lot more than me and you seem to think he is our best option. So stop the uneducated " he missed a few goals dribble and move on. Cotch is the least of our worries IMO. Could he be playing better? Yes but poo, so could every player on our list.
Now on to BH, what has he got to do with player contracts? Isn't player contracts what DR does? Considering we poached him from ESP as a player manager looking after player contracts????
And I'm sure DH has a lot to do with who gets a contract and how doesn't. Your contunuous crap about BH is boring and simply isn't correct. I'm not saying everything he has touch has turned to gold but come on mate, FJ has way more to answer for for our list. Most of BH's guys have played their roll but also needed to be moved on but you cannot blame him for them still getting a game 4 or 5 years later.
And lastly on DH, sure you question some selection decisions but so do even the most "I love everything Richmond" people on this site. I don't recall you ever calling for his head after watching the same crap game plan for 6 years. You'd prefer to talk about 2 goals missed by Cotch in the second quarter.
I just cannot believe with our list the way it is and the style of footy we continue to play that some guys have still got a job. Let alone are given contract extensions a year out from their current one expiring.
Does anyone other than BoJo think FJ has done a good enough job with our recruiting to still have a job 10 years in?
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I blame Hartley for the things he has the most influence on. Eg the debacle that is Hampson and let's throw in the 2 year contract that Hunt was given. Look at our list in particular those we retain, this is Blair's domain as the list manager and the evidence is clear I would have thought.
Now on to BH, what has he got to do with player contracts? Isn't player contracts what DR does? Considering we poached him from ESP as a player manager looking after player contracts????
And I'm sure DH has a lot to do with who gets a contract and how doesn't. Your contunuous crap about BH is boring and simply isn't correct. I'm not saying everything he has touch has turned to gold but come on mate, FJ has way more to answer for for our list. Most of BH's guys have played their roll but also needed to be moved on but you cannot blame him for them still getting a game 4 or 5 years later.
Did you just ignore the part where WP said Blair is list manager? His official title is 'General Manager of Player Personnel & List Management' which speaks for itself. He has a big say in who we should get, who we should retain and makes recommendations on contracts. Richardson goes from Blairs recommendations and has to handle the negotiations and crosses the t's and dots the i's.
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List manager my stuffn hole.
U reckon dimmer is THAT insipid he just waits for this prick to tell him who's coming who's staying and for how long?
These turkeys are just two clowns who cop dimmers share of the blame.
If hardwick is so unknowledgeable of the available talent at any given draft then he's a bigger stuffn loser than I thought....and he probably is. Would explain it all.
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I blame Hartley for the things he has the most influence on. Eg the debacle that is Hampson and let's throw in the 2 year contract that Hunt was given. Look at our list in particular those we retain, this is Blair's domain as the list manager and the evidence is clear I would have thought.
Now on to BH, what has he got to do with player contracts? Isn't player contracts what DR does? Considering we poached him from ESP as a player manager looking after player contracts????
And I'm sure DH has a lot to do with who gets a contract and how doesn't. Your contunuous crap about BH is boring and simply isn't correct. I'm not saying everything he has touch has turned to gold but come on mate, FJ has way more to answer for for our list. Most of BH's guys have played their roll but also needed to be moved on but you cannot blame him for them still getting a game 4 or 5 years later.
Did you just ignore the part where WP said Blair is list manager? His official title is 'General Manager of Player Personnel & List Management' which speaks for itself. He has a big say in who we should get, who we should retain and makes recommendations on contracts. Richardson goes from Blairs recommendations and has to handle the negotiations and crosses the t's and dots the i's.
I'm pretty sure WP can speak for himself. He is a big boy.
I know BH looks at other lists to find potential players he thinks we could use but as Ox said, do you really think he has much say in who stays? If Hardwick isn't giving that info to the club I'd be more than surprised.
Plus I think your under rating Dan Richardsons roll at the club.
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hartly rates all players in the AFL, including our own, so he would have a fair say in who stays.
I think you are over rating Richardsons role
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hartly rates all players in the AFL, including our own, so he would have a fair say in who stays.
I think you are over rating Richardsons role
How'd I know you'd post something next. So predictable. At least it's not another of your stupid question.
Pretty sure Dimma rates our list as head coach.
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I blame Hartley for the things he has the most influence on. Eg the debacle that is Hampson and let's throw in the 2 year contract that Hunt was given. Look at our list in particular those we retain, this is Blair's domain as the list manager and the evidence is clear I would have thought.
Now on to BH, what has he got to do with player contracts? Isn't player contracts what DR does? Considering we poached him from ESP as a player manager looking after player contracts????
And I'm sure DH has a lot to do with who gets a contract and how doesn't. Your contunuous crap about BH is boring and simply isn't correct. I'm not saying everything he has touch has turned to gold but come on mate, FJ has way more to answer for for our list. Most of BH's guys have played their roll but also needed to be moved on but you cannot blame him for them still getting a game 4 or 5 years later.
Did you just ignore the part where WP said Blair is list manager? His official title is 'General Manager of Player Personnel & List Management' which speaks for itself. He has a big say in who we should get, who we should retain and makes recommendations on contracts. Richardson goes from Blairs recommendations and has to handle the negotiations and crosses the t's and dots the i's.
I'm pretty sure WP can speak for himself. He is a big boy.
I know BH looks at other lists to find potential players he thinks we could use but as Ox said, do you really think he has much say in who stays? If Hardwick isn't giving that info to the club I'd be more than surprised.
Plus I think your under rating Dan Richardsons roll at the club.
He can, and he did. Yet you chose to ignore it.
Mmmm seems like Big Note doesn't understand what a forum is used for. If you want a private discussion with WP then PM him instead of sooking it up whenever another poster chimes in. Would it be different if we were agreeing with you?
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hartly rates all players in the AFL, including our own, so he would have a fair say in who stays.
I think you are over rating Richardsons role
How'd I know you'd post something next. So predictable. At least it's not another of your stupid question.
Pretty sure Dimma rates our list as head coach.
he may do, but hartly rates our own players in exactly the same way he rates opposition players.
i think you will find this plays a large part in our list management.
what color jocks are you wearing?
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I blame Hartley for the things he has the most influence on. Eg the debacle that is Hampson and let's throw in the 2 year contract that Hunt was given. Look at our list in particular those we retain, this is Blair's domain as the list manager and the evidence is clear I would have thought.
Now on to BH, what has he got to do with player contracts? Isn't player contracts what DR does? Considering we poached him from ESP as a player manager looking after player contracts????
And I'm sure DH has a lot to do with who gets a contract and how doesn't. Your contunuous crap about BH is boring and simply isn't correct. I'm not saying everything he has touch has turned to gold but come on mate, FJ has way more to answer for for our list. Most of BH's guys have played their roll but also needed to be moved on but you cannot blame him for them still getting a game 4 or 5 years later.
Did you just ignore the part where WP said Blair is list manager? His official title is 'General Manager of Player Personnel & List Management' which speaks for itself. He has a big say in who we should get, who we should retain and makes recommendations on contracts. Richardson goes from Blairs recommendations and has to handle the negotiations and crosses the t's and dots the i's.
I'm pretty sure WP can speak for himself. He is a big boy.
I know BH looks at other lists to find potential players he thinks we could use but as Ox said, do you really think he has much say in who stays? If Hardwick isn't giving that info to the club I'd be more than surprised.
Plus I think your under rating Dan Richardsons roll at the club.
He can, and he did. Yet you chose to ignore it.
Mmmm seems like Big Note doesn't understand what a forum is used for. If you want a private discussion with WP then PM him instead of sooking it up whenever another poster chimes in. Would it be different if we were agreeing with you?
All we need now is the last of the DHead squad to join in and we have ourselves a nice little Sunday. All 3 of you are boring and need each other to back up your opinions because you are a pack of spineless hyenas. At least you 2 bozos aren't dumb enough to think you are funny like the 3rd of your DH gang. I actually skim over most of your posts but you can still manage to soil a decent conversation even when doing so. So thanks.
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It's what they do.
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hartly rates all players in the AFL, including our own, so he would have a fair say in who stays.
I think you are over rating Richardsons role
How'd I know you'd post something next. So predictable. At least it's not another of your stupid question.
Pretty sure Dimma rates our list as head coach.
he may do, but hartly rates our own players in exactly the same way he rates opposition players.
i think you will find this plays a large part in our list management.
what color jocks are you wearing?
As for you Penelope your name seems really appropriate..
And if you ever want to see if mine is, let me know. :cheers
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First of all I didn't mention this year considering it's 2 rounds in. You made it very clear last year with your continuous garage about Cotchin's leadership. As I said last year you have NFI what sort of leader Cotch is. All you see from your seat 100 rows back on game day and if Cotch misses a few goals automatically he is a bad leader. I don't mean to be rude WP but you have no idea! So don't pretend you do. I'd prefer someone else as captain too but that's only from the outside looking in. Coaches and players that know a whole lot more than me and you seem to think he is our best option. So stop the uneducated " he missed a few goals dribble and move on. Cotch is the least of our worries IMO. Could he be playing better? Yes but poo, so could every player on our list.
Now on to BH, what has he got to do with player contracts? Isn't player contracts what DR does? Considering we poached him from ESP as a player manager looking after player contracts????
And I'm sure DH has a lot to do with who gets a contract and how doesn't. Your contunuous crap about BH is boring and simply isn't correct. I'm not saying everything he has touch has turned to gold but come on mate, FJ has way more to answer for for our list. Most of BH's guys have played their roll but also needed to be moved on but you cannot blame him for them still getting a game 4 or 5 years later.
Seeing I have "no idea" what's the point in me in answering anything you raise
But on Cotchin's leadership - you jump on my points about the missed goals, there's a lot more to it that that but what's the point of me going through what I see again, giving an opinion based on what I see and in some cases know when you refuse to acknowledge anything I say as I don't "have a clue"
I don't agree with your opinions at times but I've never resorted or would resort to saying you don't have a clue because that is a false discussion and a cop out from me an a way of avoiding a discussion
But what would I know as I "don't have a clue"
Facts are Hartley does a lot of contracts. I know this to be absolutely true.. but seeing I "have no idea" then you refuse to believe that - Ok we move on
And lastly on DH, sure you question some selection decisions but so do even the most "I love everything Richmond" people on this site. I don't recall you ever calling for his head after watching the same crap game plan for 6 years. You'd prefer to talk about 2 goals missed by Cotch in the second quarter.
Again outside of not having "a clue"
It's pretty simple, I've said it before but clearly you have failed to read it or perhaps because I don't "have a clue you've ignored it but I've said if he fails to win a final he should go ..clear enough ::)
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I blame Hartley for the things he has the most influence on. Eg the debacle that is Hampson and let's throw in the 2 year contract that Hunt was given. Look at our list in particular those we retain, this is Blair's domain as the list manager and the evidence is clear I would have thought.
Now on to BH, what has he got to do with player contracts? Isn't player contracts what DR does? Considering we poached him from ESP as a player manager looking after player contracts????
And I'm sure DH has a lot to do with who gets a contract and how doesn't. Your contunuous crap about BH is boring and simply isn't correct. I'm not saying everything he has touch has turned to gold but come on mate, FJ has way more to answer for for our list. Most of BH's guys have played their roll but also needed to be moved on but you cannot blame him for them still getting a game 4 or 5 years later.
Did you just ignore the part where WP said Blair is list manager? His official title is 'General Manager of Player Personnel & List Management' which speaks for itself. He has a big say in who we should get, who we should retain and makes recommendations on contracts. Richardson goes from Blairs recommendations and has to handle the negotiations and crosses the t's and dots the i's.
I'm pretty sure WP can speak for himself. He is a big boy.
I know BH looks at other lists to find potential players he thinks we could use but as Ox said, do you really think he has much say in who stays? If Hardwick isn't giving that info to the club I'd be more than surprised.
Plus I think your under rating Dan Richardsons roll at the club.
He can, and he did. Yet you chose to ignore it.
Mmmm seems like Big Note doesn't understand what a forum is used for. If you want a private discussion with WP then PM him instead of sooking it up whenever another poster chimes in. Would it be different if we were agreeing with you?
All we need now is the last of the DHead squad to join in and we have ourselves a nice little Sunday. All 3 of you are boring and need each other to back up your opinions because you are a pack of spineless hyenas. At least you 2 bozos aren't dumb enough to think you are funny like the 3rd of your DH gang. I actually skim over most of your posts but you can still manage to soil a decent conversation even when doing so. So thanks.
You're kidding right? You ask what Blair does (even though WP said it) and I clarify. Do you want to enlighten me on how I "soiled a decent conversation"? Is it because I agree with WP and not you?
Not sure who the third is you are referring to but me and Penelope are no squad and I think you'd find me disagree on a lot of things but you're too busy focusing on those that disagree with you. Are you and a squad seeing as he just chimed in to support you?
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I blame Hartley for the things he has the most influence on. Eg the debacle that is Hampson and let's throw in the 2 year contract that Hunt was given. Look at our list in particular those we retain, this is Blair's domain as the list manager and the evidence is clear I would have thought.
Now on to BH, what has he got to do with player contracts? Isn't player contracts what DR does? Considering we poached him from ESP as a player manager looking after player contracts????
And I'm sure DH has a lot to do with who gets a contract and how doesn't. Your contunuous crap about BH is boring and simply isn't correct. I'm not saying everything he has touch has turned to gold but come on mate, FJ has way more to answer for for our list. Most of BH's guys have played their roll but also needed to be moved on but you cannot blame him for them still getting a game 4 or 5 years later.
Did you just ignore the part where WP said Blair is list manager? His official title is 'General Manager of Player Personnel & List Management' which speaks for itself. He has a big say in who we should get, who we should retain and makes recommendations on contracts. Richardson goes from Blairs recommendations and has to handle the negotiations and crosses the t's and dots the i's.
I'm pretty sure WP can speak for himself. He is a big boy.
I know BH looks at other lists to find potential players he thinks we could use but as Ox said, do you really think he has much say in who stays? If Hardwick isn't giving that info to the club I'd be more than surprised.
Plus I think your under rating Dan Richardsons roll at the club.
He can, and he did. Yet you chose to ignore it.
Mmmm seems like Big Note doesn't understand what a forum is used for. If you want a private discussion with WP then PM him instead of sooking it up whenever another poster chimes in. Would it be different if we were agreeing with you?
All we need now is the last of the DHead squad to join in and we have ourselves a nice little Sunday. All 3 of you are boring and need each other to back up your opinions because you are a pack of spineless hyenas. At least you 2 bozos aren't dumb enough to think you are funny like the 3rd of your DH gang. I actually skim over most of your posts but you can still manage to soil a decent conversation even when doing so. So thanks.
You're kidding right? You ask what Blair does (even though WP said it) and I clarify. Do you want to enlighten me on how I "soiled a decent conversation"? Is it because I agree with WP and not you?
Not sure who the third is you are referring to but me and Penelope are no squad and I think you'd find me disagree on a lot of things but you're too busy focusing on those that disagree with you. Are you and o a squad seeing as he just chimed in to support you?
I'm pretty sure you know who the 3rd of the DH squad is but to be totally honest I'm probably giving you way to much credit.
And you and I both know Ox says what Ox believes. If he happens to think you 3 are a pack of spineless hyenas than he agrees with me on this.
Anyway as I have said, I usually skim over your posts and should just continue to do so. Otherwise the other posters have to wade through our crap.
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I blame Hartley for the things he has the most influence on. Eg the debacle that is Hampson and let's throw in the 2 year contract that Hunt was given. Look at our list in particular those we retain, this is Blair's domain as the list manager and the evidence is clear I would have thought.
Now on to BH, what has he got to do with player contracts? Isn't player contracts what DR does? Considering we poached him from ESP as a player manager looking after player contracts????
And I'm sure DH has a lot to do with who gets a contract and how doesn't. Your contunuous crap about BH is boring and simply isn't correct. I'm not saying everything he has touch has turned to gold but come on mate, FJ has way more to answer for for our list. Most of BH's guys have played their roll but also needed to be moved on but you cannot blame him for them still getting a game 4 or 5 years later.
Did you just ignore the part where WP said Blair is list manager? His official title is 'General Manager of Player Personnel & List Management' which speaks for itself. He has a big say in who we should get, who we should retain and makes recommendations on contracts. Richardson goes from Blairs recommendations and has to handle the negotiations and crosses the t's and dots the i's.
I'm pretty sure WP can speak for himself. He is a big boy.
I know BH looks at other lists to find potential players he thinks we could use but as Ox said, do you really think he has much say in who stays? If Hardwick isn't giving that info to the club I'd be more than surprised.
Plus I think your under rating Dan Richardsons roll at the club.
He can, and he did. Yet you chose to ignore it.
Mmmm seems like Big Note doesn't understand what a forum is used for. If you want a private discussion with WP then PM him instead of sooking it up whenever another poster chimes in. Would it be different if we were agreeing with you?
All we need now is the last of the DHead squad to join in and we have ourselves a nice little Sunday. All 3 of you are boring and need each other to back up your opinions because you are a pack of spineless hyenas. At least you 2 bozos aren't dumb enough to think you are funny like the 3rd of your DH gang. I actually skim over most of your posts but you can still manage to soil a decent conversation even when doing so. So thanks.
Hello sunshine
I'm still interested if your are going to answer why you were making up bs about Hardwick inheriting Richo and Bowden
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Were they left in a will? :huh
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First of all I didn't mention this year considering it's 2 rounds in. You made it very clear last year with your continuous garage about Cotchin's leadership. As I said last year you have NFI what sort of leader Cotch is. All you see from your seat 100 rows back on game day and if Cotch misses a few goals automatically he is a bad leader. I don't mean to be rude WP but you have no idea! So don't pretend you do. I'd prefer someone else as captain too but that's only from the outside looking in. Coaches and players that know a whole lot more than me and you seem to think he is our best option. So stop the uneducated " he missed a few goals dribble and move on. Cotch is the least of our worries IMO. Could he be playing better? Yes but poo, so could every player on our list.
Now on to BH, what has he got to do with player contracts? Isn't player contracts what DR does? Considering we poached him from ESP as a player manager looking after player contracts????
And I'm sure DH has a lot to do with who gets a contract and how doesn't. Your contunuous crap about BH is boring and simply isn't correct. I'm not saying everything he has touch has turned to gold but come on mate, FJ has way more to answer for for our list. Most of BH's guys have played their roll but also needed to be moved on but you cannot blame him for them still getting a game 4 or 5 years later.
Seeing I have "no idea" what's the point in me in answering anything you raise
But on Cotchin's leadership - you jump on my points about the missed goals, there's a lot more to it that that but what's the point of me going through what I see again, giving an opinion based on what I see and in some cases know when you refuse to acknowledge anything I say as I don't "have a clue"
I don't agree with your opinions at times but I've never resorted or would resort to saying you don't have a clue because that is a false discussion and a cop out from me an a way of avoiding a discussion
But what would I know as I "don't have a clue"
Facts are Hartley does a lot of contracts. I know this to be absolutely true.. but seeing I "have no idea" then you refuse to believe that - Ok we move on
And lastly on DH, sure you question some selection decisions but so do even the most "I love everything Richmond" people on this site. I don't recall you ever calling for his head after watching the same crap game plan for 6 years. You'd prefer to talk about 2 goals missed by Cotch in the second quarter.
Again outside of not having "a clue"
It's pretty simple, I've said it before but clearly you have failed to read it or perhaps because I don't "have a clue you've ignored it but I've said if he fails to win a final he should go ..clear enough ::)
I did say I didn't mean to be rude and I only meant you have no idea about the leader Cotch is. Missing goals is only one tiny part of what he does as a leader.
Anyway I'm having too much fun with the DH squad to argue with you on this. I'm pretty sure we worked out last year I didn't agree with you and you didn't agree with me. Apologies for going a bit hard at you. I'm still a bit touchy about Friday night and how much that will come back to bite us later in the year. :thumbsup
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I'm proud to be the only poster who speaks the truth and have their identity jealously revealed by snivelling cowards that otherwise revel in hypocrisy.
Is that supposed to be some kind of adolescent revenge?
What's the matter - scared you might be confronted by some big tough footballers at a social function and they'll crush your intellect?
That's just so Richmond of you.
So, I'm here, any time, if you want to man/woman up and put a face, a name .....an anything behind your opinions.
You know you don't have the courage.
Regards,
Juno.
Go Tiges.
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Who's Juno?
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I actually skim over most of your posts but you can still manage to soil a decent conversation even when doing so. So thanks.
You're kidding right? You ask what Blair does (even though WP said it) and I clarify. Do you want to enlighten me on how I "soiled a decent conversation"? Is it because I agree with WP and not you?
Care to answer? At least most on here are willing to discuss without resorting to sooking and/or name calling
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Who's Juno?
Juno?
I dont? ;D
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Who's Juno?
Juno?
I dont? ;D
I dunno, I thought it was a reference to a movie :lol
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hartly rates all players in the AFL, including our own, so he would have a fair say in who stays.
I think you are over rating Richardsons role
How'd I know you'd post something next. So predictable. At least it's not another of your stupid question.
Pretty sure Dimma rates our list as head coach.
he may do, but hartly rates our own players in exactly the same way he rates opposition players.
i think you will find this plays a large part in our list management.
what color jocks are you wearing?
As for you Penelope your name seems really appropriate..
And if you ever want to see if mine is, let me know. :cheers
lol
I actually skim over most of your posts but you can still manage to soil a decent conversation even when doing so. So thanks.
You're kidding right? You ask what Blair does (even though WP said it) and I clarify. Do you want to enlighten me on how I "soiled a decent conversation"? Is it because I agree with WP and not you?
Care to answer? At least most on here are willing to discuss without resorting to sooking and/or name calling
some people just cant handle having other opinions besides their own i suppose.
probably go through life bullying those around them to agree rather that actually formulating sound reasoning for their own views.
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Let's get back to the topic folks without the snipes
Major baseball starts tomorrow so the umpires are ready to call "Strike"
Finally.the posting peoples real names or identities on this site has never been tolerated and will not be tolerated. Penalty is permanent banning wit no warnings.
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I'm pretty sure WP can speak for himself. He is a big boy.
I know BH looks at other lists to find potential players he thinks we could use but as Ox said, do you really think he has much say in who stays? If Hardwick isn't giving that info to the club I'd be more than surprised.
Plus I think your under rating Dan Richardsons roll at the club.
Think you really should have listen to BH himself to find out what he does. Loves telling people what he does ;D
He has a major say on who stays, he makes the recommendations as part of his rating of our list and other sides list.
He has a much greater role than you realise
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Does it really matter who does what role. The key point is THE ROLES are not being done well.
Coaching, List Management, Development, Recruiting is done as a collective they are all responsible to varying degrees in each role. While we debate who is most respnsible for each role they all escape the scrutiny they should get.
It starts at the top because the top dont even recognise there are problems.While this remains to be the case nothing will change.
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Sort of going on a tangent here but in terms of development, recruting etc. how do the Swans seem to continually manage to find player gems outside of normal channels when we struggle to do the same. Is there some kind of recruiting loophole they have with their Academy or are we just doing things terribly badly in comparison?
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DH, BH, DR who cares, they are all useless.
Blair Hartley is utterly useless. Useless.
DH i feel gets off the hook based on how crap DR and BH are. DH would have far more of a say in many things than a lot of people on here make out. The buck stops with the coach, the coach is the one that cops it in the media, the coach is the one that is always first to blame and has witch hunts created for. James Hird perfect example.
DH wouldn't risk all of this on other people making the decisions. In fact, it would be hilariously ironic that he does lol.
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lol, so whats the point of having recruiters go out and look at players if the coach is the one that makes the decision?
thats just stupid to suggest the coach doesnt rely on others to make decisions related to their supposed expertise, thats what they are paid for.
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Lucky we didn't give trelor an extra 100k
Wouldn't wanna send the wrong messages
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Hardwick would only tell them what type of players he wants/needs....and even then not every player would fit that criteria....f.e. I doubt McBean & Menadue who are both skinny as rakes and were considered 3-4 year projects at the time of their drafts, would've been what Hardwick wanted with picks in the 30's....and Hackson is known for his "hunch" picks and trying to be clever rather than taking best available... ..also consider that when sides actually do draft "best available" particularly with early picks, they're not always types that the coach wants or needs, they're simply considered too good to pass up.....f.e. Hardwick might've wanted, say, a big inside mid at pick 12 in 2013, particularly after we got smashed in the clearances by Carlton in the second half of the EF.....but Lennon , regarded by many as even a top 5 talent, was clearly the best available at that pick, so we took him instead....also, when players unexpectedly slide, that can also throw out your plans.....
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Hardwick would only tell them what type of players he wants/needs....and even then not every player would fit that criteria....f.e. I doubt McBean & Menadue who are both skinny as rakes and were considered 3-4 year projects at the time of their drafts, would've been what Hardwick wanted with picks in the 30's....and Hackson is known for his "hunch" picks and trying to be clever rather than taking best available... ..also consider that when sides actually do draft "best available" particularly with early picks, they're not always types that the coach wants or needs, they're simply considered too good to pass up.....f.e. Hardwick might've wanted, say, a big inside mid at pick 12 in 2013, particularly after we got smashed in the clearances by Carlton in the second half of the EF.....but Lennon , regarded by many as even a top 5 talent, was clearly the best available at that pick, so we took him instead....also, when players unexpectedly slide, that can also throw out your plans.....
and then dimma doesnt give lenin games to spite hackson :clapping
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Yep....if only he'd been a Hartley pick instead.....
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Sort of going on a tangent here but in terms of development, recruting etc. how do the Swans seem to continually manage to find player gems outside of normal channels when we struggle to do the same. Is there some kind of recruiting loophole they have with their Academy or are we just doing things terribly badly in comparison?
Most intelligent comment in this snipe fest. I used to think it was the extra money they had but it can't be just that. They get great performances out of recycled duds every year it seems. It has to be culture and some behind the scenes people. Maybe they spend more on opposition analysis.
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Sort of going on a tangent here but in terms of development, recruting etc. how do the Swans seem to continually manage to find player gems outside of normal channels when we struggle to do the same. Is there some kind of recruiting loophole they have with their Academy or are we just doing things terribly badly in comparison?
Probably simple rules. Play on at all times, run hard and kick to the advantage of your teammate. Run hard the opposite way when you don't have the ball.
Footballers are simple people in general. They don't need to work out how to alter the space-time continuum or split the atom. When you give them simple rules they look more skilful because they don't have 10 things going through their minds when they are about to kick or handball.
Just my rant....
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Probably simple rules. Play on at all times, run hard and kick to the advantage of your teammate. Run hard the opposite way when you don't have the ball.
Footballers are simple people in general. They don't need to work out how to alter the space-time continuum or split the atom. When you give them simple rules they look more skilful because they don't have 10 things going through their minds when they are about to kick or handball.
Just my rant....
Reckon you've nailed it - the KISS principle
As well as buy in factor, they keep it simple but you don't buy into everything the Swans stand for and you dont last long
Perfect example is you last point about running hard the opposite way. It appears to be one of their basic buy in rules and everyone follows it...
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Worst managed team in the league.
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Sort of going on a tangent here but in terms of development, recruting etc. how do the Swans seem to continually manage to find player gems outside of normal channels when we struggle to do the same. Is there some kind of recruiting loophole they have with their Academy or are we just doing things terribly badly in comparison?
Probably simple rules. Play on at all times, run hard and kick to the advantage of your teammate. Run hard the opposite way when you don't have the ball.
Footballers are simple people in general. They don't need to work out how to alter the space-time continuum or split the atom. When you give them simple rules they look more skilful because they don't have 10 things going through their minds when they are about to kick or handball.
Just my rant....
Well there we have it in a nutshell, proof that the RFC must just over complicate everything game related and the players are just out an out confused. As a result they dont appear to know what the hell they are doing........Your honor, I present you with evidence no.1, last quarter Richmond vs Collingwood 1/4/2016.
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Sort of going on a tangent here but in terms of development, recruting etc. how do the Swans seem to continually manage to find player gems outside of normal channels when we struggle to do the same. Is there some kind of recruiting loophole they have with their Academy or are we just doing things terribly badly in comparison?
Most intelligent comment in this snipe fest. I used to think it was the extra money they had but it can't be just that.
na ...
not at richmond ...
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Culture.
They have one.
We pretend to have one.
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Sort of going on a tangent here but in terms of development, recruting etc. how do the Swans seem to continually manage to find player gems outside of normal channels when we struggle to do the same. Is there some kind of recruiting loophole they have with their Academy or are we just doing things terribly badly in comparison?
Probably simple rules. Play on at all times, run hard and kick to the advantage of your teammate. Run hard the opposite way when you don't have the ball.
Footballers are simple people in general. They don't need to work out how to alter the space-time continuum or split the atom. When you give them simple rules they look more skilful because they don't have 10 things going through their minds when they are about to kick or handball.
Just my rant....
Well there we have it in a nutshell, proof that the RFC must just over complicate everything game related and the players are just out an out confused. As a result they dont appear to know what the hell they are doing........Your honor, I present you with evidence no.1, last quarter Richmond vs Collingwood 1/4/2016.
Actually that's at least number 3. You forget the C.Hunt goal after the siren and the horrible defending that gave freo a 1 point win over us in perth
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Sort of going on a tangent here but in terms of development, recruting etc. how do the Swans seem to continually manage to find player gems outside of normal channels when we struggle to do the same. Is there some kind of recruiting loophole they have with their Academy or are we just doing things terribly badly in comparison?
Probably simple rules. Play on at all times, run hard and kick to the advantage of your teammate. Run hard the opposite way when you don't have the ball.
Footballers are simple people in general. They don't need to work out how to alter the space-time continuum or split the atom. When you give them simple rules they look more skilful because they don't have 10 things going through their minds when they are about to kick or handball.
Just my rant....
Well there we have it in a nutshell, proof that the RFC must just over complicate everything game related and the players are just out an out confused. As a result they dont appear to know what the hell they are doing........Your honor, I present you with evidence no.1, last quarter Richmond vs Collingwood 1/4/2016.
Actually that's at least number 3. You forget the C.Hunt goal after the siren and the horrible defending that gave freo a 1 point wiin over us in perth
I see what you did there Scarface! :lol