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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Hard Roar Tiger on October 05, 2016, 01:04:54 PM
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http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond/ruckman-ivan-maric-signs-oneyear-contract-extension-with-richmond-to-stay-at-tigerland-until-end-of-2017/news-story/2e04012a279304aca1728643261bc741
FMD
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Thankfully Chappy going to the Dees
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LmAo
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:lol
Can't get a game for the seniors due to injury, slowness and lack of Spring.
Gets a contract.
Another senior player spot taken by somebody who probably won't play. Along with Yarran.
Only at Richmond :lol
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:lol
Can't get a game for the seniors due to injury, slowness and lack of Spring.
Gets a contract.
Another senior player spot taken by somebody who probably won't play. Along with Yarran.
Only at Richmond :lol
Agree for once 😂
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obviously they think we needed his leadership.
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obviously they think we needed his leadership.
So do you support his contract extension?
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Can't lead from the VFL
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obviously they think we needed his leadership.
So do you support his contract extension?
its hard to say as I don't really know the clubs reasoning, but I'm assuming its leadership.
on field he is done, but offfield he can be still helpful
Besides its only one year.
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So why does he require being on the senior list to and taking up a spot to do that? Why not just put him on the VFL list and give him a coaching role instead?
No surprise you couldn't wait to jump on here and attempt to justify it.
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So why does he require being on the senior list to and taking up a spot to do that? Why not just put him on the VFL list and give him a coaching role instead?
No surprise you couldn't wait to jump on here and attempt to justify it.
Because the club is mental.
ABSOLUTE JOKE
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So why does he require being on the senior list to and taking up a spot to do that? Why not just put him on the VFL list and give him a coaching role instead?
No surprise you couldn't wait to jump on here and attempt to justify it.
you make a good point, assuming its in case we don't land another ruckman/hampson gets injured... theres really no other reason for doing it.
No suprise you couldn't wait to come on here and jump on me :)
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obviously they think we needed his leadership.
So do you support his contract extension?
Have no issue with it myself
It is about leadership and not just leadership on the field. Has a lot to do with what he does off the field.
IMESHO he is still one of our best if not best leader.
And yep perhaps that says alot about the club
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obviously they think we needed his leadership.
So do you support his contract extension?
Have no issue with it myself
It is about leadership and not just leadership on the field. Has a lot to do with what he does off the field.
IMESHO he is still one of our best if not best leader.
And yep perhaps that says alot about the club
Agree with William on this one
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As I asked ND - why does that require him still being on the senior list? Why not VFL list with a coaching role? And if that was our initial offer, then surely we didn't give in to his demands to remain on the AFL list just keep him as an "onfield coach"?
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Unless we draft a ready made ruck or trade for one I like this move.
Would play him as number 1 ruck any day of the week.
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Richmond's General Manager - Football Talent, Dan Richardson said Maric has plenty to offer on and off the field.
"We've been in discussions with Ivan for a number of weeks, and we're really pleased he's staying with us in 2017," Richardson said.
"Ivan is a fierce competitor and gives his all in every training session and game he plays, and his teammates thrive off that.
"He's also a great leader and positive role model, not just for his teammates, but everyone at the Club, and we look forward to seeing more of that in 2017."
Maric said he took the necessary time to decide his playing future.
"After a personally testing year, I took time to consider my options, but ultimately the friendships and connections I have with my teammates make Richmond my home, and where I belong," Maric said.
"I believe I am capable of playing good football at AFL level, and will continue to show guidance and leadership on and off the field."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-10-05/maric-remains-a-tiger-for-2017
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obviously they think we needed his leadership.
So do you support his contract extension?
Have no issue with it myself
It is about leadership and not just leadership on the field. Has a lot to do with what he does off the field.
IMESHO he is still one of our best if not best leader.
And yep perhaps that says alot about the club
Agree he is a proven leader. Agree the decision to resign may have something to do with the lack of leadership at the club.
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As I asked ND - why does that require him still being on the senior list? Why not VFL list with a coaching role? And if that was our initial offer, then surely we didn't give in to his demands to remain on the AFL list just keep him as an "onfield coach"?
The initial offer is what he's agreed to, don't know you think it wasn't?
He was only ever offered a 1 year deal on our AFL list. With the plan to have more involvement in mentoring / development than he does now.
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Was just speculating a scenario... don't know what the initial offer was..... you still haven't answered my question regarding why he needs to remain on the senior list taking up a spot to be involved in mentoring/development...why can't he still do that and just be on the VFL list - like McQualter was when he first arrived?
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Was just speculating a scenario... don't know what the initial offer was..... you still haven't answered my question regarding why he needs to remain on the senior list taking up a spot to be involved in mentoring/development...why can't he still do that and just be on the VFL list - like McQualter was when he first arrived?
Pertinent point that is unlikely to be answered
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well lets look at it if hampson went down which is possible who rucks griffo all year he is needed hopefully we can get another ruckman in or develop someone
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Don't agree with the mentoring thing. Who exactly is he going to mentor? We have 2 x 2m players in Vickery and McBean out the door.
The reason he got the contract is because we have no other talls.
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well lets look at it if hampson went down which is possible who rucks griffo all year he is needed hopefully we can get another ruckman in or develop someone
Or we could use Maric's spot on a Nankervis , good cheap state leaguers like Darcy Cameron, Tom Goodwin...fast track Chol & Soldo if we have too...draft the Fijian kid from our development zone, .all would seriously probably offer more than a bloke who is now slow as a wet weekend & can't jump off the ground anymore...
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Another nail in Hardwick's coffin.
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I really think they should have waited to see if they could bring in another ruckman first but clearly Maric brings a lot to the club that we can't see on the AFL field.
Apparently his presence was a huge contributing factor to the VFL team's resurgence so obviously they think he's a valuable asset.
And with no backup ruckman on the list I'm happy to have him even though he's basically cooked. Still need to get a ruck or two though.
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Oh dear
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Another nail in Hardwick's coffin.
How much say does Dimma have in re-signing players?
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Another nail in Hardwick's coffin.
Alot
How much say does Dimma have in re-signing players?
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Another nail in Hardwick's coffin.
How much say does Dimma have in re-signing players?
I don't think he is geetting much say actually, as mentioned by a guy at another board.
- Hardwick wanted lade to stay, his gone
- Hardwick wanted chappy to stay, his gone (I reckon the club encouraged him to take the Dees job)
also Balme said Dimma wasn't making all the decisions regarding coaching, I would say the same thing regarding list management as well... I could be wrong, but thats how it seems.
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Another nail in Hardwick's coffin.
How much say does Dimma have in re-signing players?
I don't think he is geetting much say actually, as mentioned by a guy at another board.
- Hardwick wanted lade to stay, his gone
- Hardwick wanted chappy to stay, his gone (I reckon the club encouraged him to take the Dees job)
also Balme said Dimma wasn't making all the decisions regarding coaching, I would say the same thing regarding list management as well... I could be wrong, but thats how it seems.
You walk a very particular line ND. I wouldnt be the first to think though.
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As long as his back is not stuffed then I don't have an issue with the 1 year contract.
I have no doubt the big fella was asked to play on through injury and became another victim of Hardwicks poor decision making.
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Another nail in Hardwick's coffin.
How much say does Dimma have in re-signing players?
I don't think he is geetting much say actually, as mentioned by a guy at another board.
- Hardwick wanted lade to stay, his gone
- Hardwick wanted chappy to stay, his gone (I reckon the club encouraged him to take the Dees job)
also Balme said Dimma wasn't making all the decisions regarding coaching, I would say the same thing regarding list management as well... I could be wrong, but thats how it seems.
You walk a very particular line ND. I wouldnt be the first to think though.
because i don't go slamming the club at every opportunity?
sure the club has made a lot of dumb decisions in the past but that doesn't mean they are doomed to repeat mistake after mistake..
i don't always agree with what the club does, but at the end of the day, i'll respect that they probably have their reasons.
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well lets look at it if hampson went down which is possible who rucks griffo all year he is needed hopefully we can get another ruckman in or develop someone
Why do peope think he only be mentoring talls?
Just by action he is constantly teaching all the younger players at the club. So it's not just ruckman
Was just speculating a scenario... don't know what the initial offer was..... you still haven't answered my question regarding why he needs to remain on the senior list taking up a spot to be involved in mentoring/development...why can't he still do that and just be on the VFL list - like McQualter was when he first arrived?
Pertinent point that is unlikely to be answered
Because IMESHO decent clubs have more than 2-3 ruckmen
Re-signing him gives Soldo more time, gives us insurance if Hampson breaks down again (highly likely given his history) and is insurance if we dont get a ruckman during trade time.
Just think now his back wows are over he offers more than Hampson
The leadership and all we get with him being around well that is a bonus
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So why does he require being on the senior list to and taking up a spot to do that? Why not just put him on the VFL list and give him a coaching role instead?
No surprise you couldn't wait to jump on here and attempt to justify it.
Because the club is mental.
ABSOLUTE JOKE
Correct
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You walk a very particular line ND. I wouldnt be the first to think though.
sure the club has made a lot of dumb decisions in the past but that doesn't mean they are doomed to repeat mistake after mistake..
In a perfect world, you're content to sit back and let them all have ANOTHER crack at it.
How many more years would you give the current process and processors before YOU felt a change was necessary ?
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You walk a very particular line ND. I wouldnt be the first to think though.
sure the club has made a lot of dumb decisions in the past but that doesn't mean they are doomed to repeat mistake after mistake..
In a perfect world, you're content to sit back and let them all have ANOTHER crack at it.
How many more years would you give the current process and processors before YOU felt a change was necessary ?
But change is happening, its only small atm but its happening...
At the end of last year of course I thought change was necessary.... If they were maintaining the status quo into next year then yes I would be highly critical.
but they aren't
and yes I know, Hardwick isn't gone, but he doesn't have long left either.
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You fail to recognise the reality that the current crop have already failed 3 times.
It's draining.
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You fail to recognise the reality that the current crop have already failed 3 times.
It's draining.
How about the part where I have conceded the club has made dumb decisions in the past?
thing is no matter what I say, until I join the club which constantly bashes every single aspect of the club and branding them as incompetent even if they make the right decision (such as the Balme appointment), I'm going to be labelled a simpleton.
in a way I can understand it, teh club has failed so many times over 30+ years so we are used to them being incompetent, but things are starting to change and if you can't see that, maybe you are the one that doesn't understand.
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You fail to recognise the reality that the current crop have already failed 3 times.
This is why we humor you and discuss with you, topics that you don't really have a clue about....because we understand.
It's draining.
How about the part where I have conceded the club has made dumb decisions in the past?
I think you really need to get over yourself, I am not the smartest person around but the fact you think you are just so intelligent and always right about everything is laughable.
thing is no matter what I say, until I join the club which constantly bashes every single aspect of the club and branding them as incompetent even if they make the right decision (such as the Balme appointment), I'm going to be labelled a simpleton.
in a way I can understand it, teh club has failed so many times over 30+ years so we are used to them being incompetent, but things are starting to change and if you can't see that, maybe you are the one that doesn't understand.
I have not seen one post from you that is supportive of any coach or player of the RFC, its just constant bashing bashing bashing. Like I said, negativity and criticsm is warranted considering the position the club is in atm, but the sad thing is, the dribble I see from you is what I would expect from an opposition supporter.
just because you think the club is changing doesnt mean it is. Maric signed on today for example.
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So why does he require being on the senior list to and taking up a spot to do that? Why not just put him on the VFL list and give him a coaching role instead?
No surprise you couldn't wait to jump on here and attempt to justify it.
Because the club is mental.
ABSOLUTE JOKE
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Are you still hung up on Ivan
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Maric has been a warrior for our club but he is as done as Chaplin is.
Leadership is what our club needs more of but if the young players don't rate you as a footballer because you are too old and too slow, they won't respect what you say in football terms. That changes if you are a coach because your football doesn't have to do some of the talking.
Another bad decision by the club needing to look forward.
So with change obviously needed with our playing list, it's strange that we keep signing players. So we have 2 retirements, we have delisted 2 and we will probably lose Vickery, Lennon and Conca. That is 7 spots for new guys. That is not even close to what needs to go.
Who else should/may be delisted?
For a team that went backwards at a rate of nots this year, we have and may only delist 2 players. :lol
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So why does he require being on the senior list to and taking up a spot to do that? Why not just put him on the VFL list and give him a coaching role instead?
No surprise you couldn't wait to jump on here and attempt to justify it.
Because the club is mental.
ABSOLUTE JOKE
Correct
Hampson is a good as two rucks anyway :shh
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So why does he require being on the senior list to and taking up a spot to do that? Why not just put him on the VFL list and give him a coaching role instead?
No surprise you couldn't wait to jump on here and attempt to justify it.
Because the club is mental.
ABSOLUTE JOKE
Correct
Hampson is a good as two rucks anyway :shh
:clapping
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So why does he require being on the senior list to and taking up a spot to do that? Why not just put him on the VFL list and give him a coaching role instead?
No surprise you couldn't wait to jump on here and attempt to justify it.
Because the club is mental.
ABSOLUTE JOKE
Correct
Hampson is a good as two rucks anyway :shh
😉👍
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I don't give two rucks what anyone says
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How about the part where I have conceded the club has made dumb decisions in the past?
thing is no matter what I say, until I join the club which constantly bashes every single aspect of the club and branding them as incompetent even if they make the right decision (such as the Balme appointment), I'm going to be labelled a simpleton.
in a way I can understand it, teh club has failed so many times over 30+ years so we are used to them being incompetent, but things are starting to change and if you can't see that, maybe you are the one that doesn't understand.
The deja vu involved in the latest at Richmond is startling.
Clinton Casey becomes Peggy O'Neal
In 2004 Clinton led his board (plus and minus a few with resignations) to a victory in a board spill at an EGM.
Casey never had an understanding of member-based clubs, Australian football in general or Richmond FC in particular.
Same with Peggy. "Homecoming games", and "tail gate parties" WTF.
Casey made some hugely expensive decisions including hiring Ian Campbell as CEO. Peggy has now doubled the cost of Operations Manager hiring Balme as an extra cost.
Gary March becomes Maurice O'Shannassy
Serving under Casey, March was in mute agreement with the decisions made by Casey. Same with Maurice.
After Casey left March inherited the presidency and then subtly disavowed all the bad decisions he went along with previously. Will O'Shannassy do the same?
Garry Cameron becomes Rob Dalton.
While trying to manage the budget, Garry had to rely on membership, donations and poor sponsorship. Same with Rob.
Richmond has THE prime physical location for AFL, amongst the top member numbers and among the largest attendances and TV ratings.
And yet we still struggle to leverage this into sponsorship dollars.
The budget is under pressure from extra unforseen costs made by the President and CEO. Think coach contracts and Balme's added cost.
Ian Campbell becomes Benny Gale
Being seen as successful in another area does not mean you can do the job as CEO.
The Peter principle* seems to be at work in his and other staff placements.
Gale does not seem able to take control of the KEY area of the club - football - and uses clichιs and spin to explain what he seems not to understand, how to manage.
When he joined he replaced the membership and sponsorship managers.
Membership continues to climb but how much is due to a manager who is continuously reducing member benefits.
Sponsorship is failing after a good first year or so.
It should be noted that Steve Wright took over as CEO and turned finances around, focussed on membership, developed PRO and involved us in community projects like Korin Gamadji.
Greg Miller becomes Neil Balme
We've definitely seen this before.
The Messiah arrives after gaining a huge reputation following success at other clubs.
The idea that either man was the sole architect of success at their previous clubs ignores the fact that they were surrounded by top class operators.
Terry Wallace becomes Damien Hardwick
Both came with excellent resumes but were shown to be very limited and defensive in their coaching, not trusting players and again surrounded by below-par associates.
They were and are reduced to buck-passing, spinning situations and decisions and making excuses.
Both were and are kept far too long because of fear of a media backlash until the position was untenable for everyone.
* The Peter Principle holds that in a hierarchy every manager rises to the level of their incompetence.
Managers do a good job and are promoted. This continues until they reach a standard that is beyond them. They then fumble along and their performance is never bad enough to deserve demotion or removal but is sub-optimal. The end result is that every position is eventually filled by incompetent employees.
In 2004 we had a board spill at an EGM and Casey's board, with a few new members and the key inclusion of Greg Miller, was returned.
In 2016 will we see another spill from a traditional membership leader (Mandie or Macek) which is won by the failing incumbents and the key inclusion of Neil Balme?
Sorry for the length but the similarities were too many to ignore.
The main point of all this is that it is not the CLUB that is at fault
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This is another crap decision by the club. Why clog up a spot with, if he is actually that good then give him Choco's old role. Typical RFC.
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When you have bad decision makers you get bad decisions. Doesn't matter how many times they change their underwear.
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When you have bad decision makers you get bad decisions. Doesn't matter how many times they change their underwear.
Yes, how good are we at it!!!
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Bad decision, weak decision, typical richmond decision
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This is another crap decision by the club. Why clog up a spot with, if he is actually that good then give him Choco's old role. Typical RFC.
It is not that he is so good but that Hampson is so bad not that some can see it though