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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: 🏅Dooks on August 03, 2017, 06:24:02 PM
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Riewoldt still out, Graham in
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No Jack.
In: Prestia, Lennon, Graham
No outs yet.
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/893024066038190080
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The Round 20 Richmond Squad
B: Rance, Astbury, Grimes
HB: Houli, Vlastuin, B. Ellis
C: Prestia, Miles, Cotchin
HF: Martin, Rioli, Castagna
F: Edwards, Lambert, Butler
R: Nankervis, Grigg, Caddy
IC from: Bolton, McIntosh, Broad, Soldo, Lennon, C. Ellis, Graham
In: Prestia, Lennon, Graham
New: Jack Graham, 19, 181cm, 83 kg inside midfielder from North Adelaide (SANFL). Richmond’s second pick (No. 53 overall) in the 2016 AFL National Draft.
The Tigers will finalise their line-up tomorrow (Friday) afternoon at 5pm.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-08-03/round-20-squad-announcement
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loss coming up.
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Just got home
While listening to SEN Robbo described Jack Graham as "mature-age rookie"
The kid's 19
:rollin
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Graham is the next Lambert lol.
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Hawthorn have included Vickery in the squad. lol...
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Graham is the next Lambert lol.
kane or craig???
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Well apparently he's a mature age rookie.
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Hawthorn have included Vickery in the squad. lol...
Now there is a mature age rookie if I have ever seen one.
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Hawthorn have included Vickery in the squad. lol...
Now there is a mature age rookie if I have ever seen one.
Let's hope he plays. Would make a nice change to play against a team with just 21.
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Please please please please bring Lennon in :pray
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Hawthorn's team for those interested:
B: Taylor Duryea, Kaiden Brand, Jack Gunston
HB: Ryan Burton, James Sicily, Shaun Burgoyne
C: Liam Shiels, Tom Mitchell, Conor Glass
HF: Billy Hartung, Tim O’Brien, Isaac Smith
F: Luke Breust, Jarryd Roughead, Ryan Schoenmakers
R: Ben McEvoy, Will Langford, Daniel Howe
INT from: Blake Hardwick, Ricky Henderson, Paul Puopolo, Teia Miles, Kurt Heatherley, Brendan Whitecross, Ty Vickery.
http://www.hawthornfc.com.au/news/2017-08-03/squad-announcement-r20
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Won't be tipping us with Jack out.
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Whorethorn are playing well, will be our biggest test to date without jack.
Lennon has to come in, that's just my opinion anyway.
Can really prove a point to ourselves if we can get up in this one.
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Hawks' season on the line, hopefully we are ready. Reckon Langford will be right into Dusty knowing that he can't retaliate and risk even a fine so hopefully again some other guys can give him a hand.
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Dimma said Graham less likely to play this weekend.
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Whorethorn handing back the Torch to us this weekend :snidegrin Long live the new RFC Dynasty :shh
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Hawks' season on the line, hopefully we are ready. Reckon Langford will be right into Dusty knowing that he can't retaliate and risk even a fine so hopefully again some other guys can give him a hand.
I'd have brought in Townsend on a seek and destroy mission.
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You may yet get your wish....
https://twitter.com/AFL_PKeane/status/893342080935763968
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Yep, Lennon OUT and Townsend IN to the extended squad.
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the shittest recruit of all time is back in
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Prestige in
Bolton out
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Damien The Uninspired strikes again... :clapping
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So Prestia is Dimma's Stuart Dew?
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Well if you believe the folklore surrounding the '08 GF, Stuart Dew was his Stuart Dew....
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The Round 20 Richmond team
B: Rance, Astbury, Grimes
HB: Houli, Vlastuin, B. Ellis
C: Prestia, Miles, Cotchin
HF: Martin, Rioli, Castagna
F: Edwards, Lambert, Butler
R: Nankervis, Grigg, Caddy
IC: C. Ellis, McIntosh, Broad, Soldo
Em: Townsend, Bolton, Graham
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-08-04/round-20-team-announcement
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Team balance for Tigers
Ben Lennon is a victim of team balance, we're told, and has not suffered any injury setback.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-08-04/late-mail-live-whispers-and-breaking-team-news
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No Vickery (listed as an emergency) for Hawthorn although McEvoy did hardly train all week apparently.
Hawthorn's finalised 22
B: Taylor Duryea, Kaiden Brand, Jack Gunston
HB: Ryan Burton, James Sicily, Shaun Burgoyne
C: Liam Shiels, Tom Mitchell, Conor Glass
HF: Billy Hartung, Tim O’Brien, Isaac Smith
F: Luke Breust, Jarryd Roughead, Ryan Schoenmakers
R: Ben McEvoy, Will Langford, Daniel Howe
INT: Blake Hardwick, Ricky Henderson, Teia Miles, Brendan Whitecross
Emergencies: Ty Vickery, Paul Puopolo, Kurt Heatherley.
http://www.hawthornfc.com.au/news/2017-08-04/miles-in-for-hawks
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Great. Lennon out.
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Great. Lennon out.
...to Footscray next year with Menadue for Stringer..... :shh
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the pootest recruit of all time is back in
We selected Yarran?
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From being named in squad to being dropped not even emergency pretty poor from coaching panel what did they find out in 24 hrs they didn't know ?.Lloyd got a fair crack of it of 5 or 6 games and showed nothing in seniors or vfl Lennon hasn't and gets dropped after 1 game.
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Lemons papers are stamped.
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Perplexing
Not much else to say :huh3
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If Lennon can't get a game with Jack out of the side and no CHF, then it's pretty clear what Dimma thinks of him.
If you think it doesn't come down to personalities and coaches pets than you are in denial.
Personally I don't give two sh17s about Lennon but he has deserved more opportunities than he has received from Hardwick.
I don't care if we win a final, Dimma isn't the answer going forward imo. Team selection is sh/7.
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Great. Lennon out.
...to Footscray next year with Menadue for Stringer..... :shh
Yes thanks
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Great. Lennon out.
...to Footscray next year with Menadue for Stringer..... :shh
Yes thanks
Throw in BEllis too as the steak knives
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If Lennon can't get a game with Jack out of the side and no CHF, then it's pretty clear what Dimma thinks of him.
If you think it doesn't come down to personalities and coaches pets than you are in denial.
Personally I don't give two poos about Lennon but he has deserved more opportunities than he has received from Hardwick.
I don't care if we win a final, Dimma isn't the answer going forward imo. Team selection is sh/7.
cant argue with that
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If Lennon can't get a game with Jack out of the side and no CHF, then it's pretty clear what Dimma thinks of him.
If you think it doesn't come down to personalities and coaches pets than you are in denial.
Personally I don't give two poos about Lennon but he has deserved more opportunities than he has received from Hardwick.
I don't care if we win a final, Dimma isn't the answer going forward imo. Team selection is sh/7.
Agree with you on that.Bewildering why he hasn't been given more of a shot because vfl form been good.
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Except for pace Lennon has the same skill set as Deledio....marking, kicking, quick hands, strength, decision making, delivery, ability to play all three lines including on-ball and is arguably an even better shot for goal and really his lack of pace in a side that, unlike Deledio, he woudn't be expected to carry the side for most of his career and with a lot more quick players around him, is fairly moot.....,but Halfstep just plonks him at forward pocket then drops him and writes him off for not getting 20 touches and laying half a dozen tackles...McCrae on the other hand knows how & where to best utilise him and when to do it.....I'm tipping the likes of Bolton & Beveridge would too... :shh
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It really is a disgrace that Lennon can't get a game. >:(
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Except for pace Lennon has the same skill set as Deledio....marking, kicking, quick hands, strength, decision making, delivery, ability to play all three lines including on-ball and is arguably an even better shot for goal and really his lack of pace in a side that, unlike Deledio, he woudn't be expected to carry the side for most of his career and with a lot more quick players around him, is fairly moot.....,but Halfstep just plonks him at forward pocket then drops him and writes him off for not getting 20 touches and laying half a dozen tackles...McCrae on the other hand knows how & where to best utilise him and when to do it.....I'm tipping the likes of Bolton & Beveridge would too... :shh
And would be very damaging
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It really is a disgrace that Lennon can't get a game. >:(
Your are over rating him. Lacks ticker
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he's done stuff all when selected...or can someone remember a game when he tore it up....
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It really is a disgrace that Lennon can't get a game. >:(
Your are over rating him. Lacks ticker
Maybe. However I'd like to see him when he is the target. When he played earlier this year, players were kicking to Jack and Griff and ignoring Lennon's leads.... :shh
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he's done stuff all when selected...or can someone remember a game when he tore it up....
Lazier than Sideshow Bob.
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Apart from not being the poo on Deledio's boot. Strength? fmd, that is a stretch.
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It really is a disgrace that Lennon can't get a game. >:(
Your are over rating him. Lacks ticker
He may lack ticker but how would we really know as he hasn't really been given a decent amount of time to gain some confidence at AFL level. Especially lately.
And yet Grigg, BEllis and Houli have played over 400 AFL games between them and all are scared of their own shadow.
As I said before, I don't really give a poo about Lennon, I only give a poo about double standards when it comes to selection and our club.
I'd Dimma and the club think he is no good, than someone should have to answer for his selection at pick 12.
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Apart from not being the poo on Deledio's boot. Strength? fmd, that is a stretch.
Spoken like someone who's only seen him a few times on tv....as for Deledio - lost count of the amount of times he went MIA for large parts of games...and usually the more important the game, the less you saw of him... :shh
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lacks mongrel which shows how easily he was overtaken by Castagna, Short, Rioli etc. People should not complain on one hand about playing squibs and then complain when one has been jumped by lads who do not give up, do not shirk the contest and train the house down. Lennon has had a ton of time to prove he was hungry but he phones it in.
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He's entitled, that why he spits it. He made all the promises and didn't deliver when he was given his opportunities.
Looks good, plays entitled
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he's done stuff all when selected...or can someone remember a game when he tore it up....
Can someone remember a game where guys who often get games also 'tore it up'? Ill throw a few names out there off the top of my head :- Vlastuin, Griffiths, Short, Menadue, C Ellis, Caddy, Conca, McIntosh.
Surely for a guy at the start of his career and with bags of VFL form and so much promise its about providing opportunities to prove himself.
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lacks mongrel which shows how easily he was overtaken by Castagna, Short, Rioli etc. People should not complain on one hand about playing squibs and then complain when one has been jumped by lads who do not give up, do not shirk the contest and train the house down. Lennon has had a ton of time to prove he was hungry but he phones it in.
Thought you were talking about our Caddy there for a second.....but then Caddy is given games. Lennon isnt.
Id also ask - if hes so terrible why does he keep kicking bags in rhe VFL? And is 20 games over 4 seasons a ton of time?
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Caddy, Prestia, Grigg, Houli, BEllis, Lloyd.... yep, we dont just gift games at Richmond these days.... #standards
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I think you nuffers just have to get over the fact that the people in charge aren't you and get over it
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I think you nuffers just have to get over the fact that the people in charge aren't you and get over it
May as well shut down this whole site's if we looked at all things that way.
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I think you nuffers just have to get over the fact that the people in charge aren't you and get over it
May as well shut down this whole site's if we looked at all things that way.
:lol
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Well, i think its fair of me to say on behalf of Doc, Dio, Big Tone and others, we maintain we are right on this one and nothing has been tabled which in reasonably suggests otherwise.
If there is however more to not playing him then by all means post away.
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Plappon
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The only time Lennon showed 'something' was that stretch of 7-8 games before he was infamously dropped for the nort elim final. But even then it wasnt much, it was a couple of games where he had 15 touches and clunked 3 or 4 good marks.
tbh Ive always felt his lack of pace and work rate would make it an uphill battle for him to be a regular afl player. Yes he has a good peg but thats about it and dont have an issue with him being delisted at seasons end.
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The only time Lennon showed 'something' was that stretch of 7-8 games before he was infamously dropped for the nort elim final. But even then it wasnt much, it was a couple of games where he had 15 touches and clunked 3 or 4 good marks.
tbh Ive always felt his lack of pace and work rate would make it an uphill battle for him to be a regular afl player. Yes he has a good peg but thats about it and dont have an issue with him being delisted at seasons end.
I think the whole "work rate" thing has been done to death but the facts are none of us really know what it is like now. I would even say that the word about him now is he is a hard worker.
Both previous preseasons he has gone out and employed people to improve his game off his own bat (sprint coach and boxing coach) does that sound like someone who doesn't want to work hard to try and get the best out of himself??
At the very least as an early draft pick he deserves his chances and going off his VFL form he has earned it.
Take a look at BEllis last year, his form was below VFL level in most games but as one of Dimma's pets, he played almost every game regardless.
I know for a fact Dimma isn't a fan and it's obviously a personal thing which I guess happens but why even have him on our list if that's the case. We could have got a trade for him but we decided to keep him. Either way pick 12 from 2013 is a complete bust!!
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Lennon should have been given a game. Form in VFL merits selection.
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its one of the reason why so many dislike hardwick as a coach.
fancy giving game time to lloyd, houli, grigg and hampson types yet donuts to lennon.
i dont thnink anyone would argue if lennon had played 50-80 games, shown nothing on a consistent basis and was treated like this.
its only in 2015 where he was given a descent crack at it, with half a dozen games in a row.
He probably is a bust but find out for certain i.e griffiths, vickery before throwing the baby out.
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The only time Lennon showed 'something' was that stretch of 7-8 games before he was infamously dropped for the nort elim final. But even then it wasnt much, it was a couple of games where he had 15 touches and clunked 3 or 4 good marks.
tbh Ive always felt his lack of pace and work rate would make it an uphill battle for him to be a regular afl player. Yes he has a good peg but thats about it and dont have an issue with him being delisted at seasons end.
I think the whole "work rate" thing has been done to death but the facts are none of us really know what it is like now. I would even say that the word about him now is he is a hard worker.
Both previous preseasons he has gone out and employed people to improve his game off his own bat (sprint coach and boxing coach) does that sound like someone who doesn't want to work hard to try and get the best out of himself??
At the very least as an early draft pick he deserves his chances and going off his VFL form he has earned it.
Take a look at BEllis last year, his form was below VFL level in most games but as one of Dimma's pets, he played almost every game regardless.
I know for a fact Dimma isn't a fan and it's obviously a personal thing which I guess happens but why even have him on our list if that's the case. We could have got a trade for him but we decided to keep him. Either way pick 12 from 2013 is a complete bust!!
You can only go by what you see and at afl level he seems to lag and is often where the ball aint. He's kicked some goals at vfl level but he's only been in our bests 3 times this year? (happy to be corrected if im wrong on that one). If he has in fact gone out and employed people to improve his game then thats great but the question needs to be asked, how far back is he coming from??? bc he still looks a fair way off the pace at afl level.
The question also has to be asked, with the whole new coaching panel we have at our club, he is still languishing in the reserves when we have a great need for a marking option. As much as we all have grave reservations about dimmas judgement, the fact that caracella, Leppa etc are all not pushing for his inclusion speaks volumes.
Unfortunately I agree pick 12 from 2013 is a complete bust -and theres a few more of our 1st rounders that will be too
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The only time Lennon showed 'something' was that stretch of 7-8 games before he was infamously dropped for the nort elim final. But even then it wasnt much, it was a couple of games where he had 15 touches and clunked 3 or 4 good marks.
tbh Ive always felt his lack of pace and work rate would make it an uphill battle for him to be a regular afl player. Yes he has a good peg but thats about it and dont have an issue with him being delisted at seasons end.
I think the whole "work rate" thing has been done to death but the facts are none of us really know what it is like now. I would even say that the word about him now is he is a hard worker.
Both previous preseasons he has gone out and employed people to improve his game off his own bat (sprint coach and boxing coach) does that sound like someone who doesn't want to work hard to try and get the best out of himself??
At the very least as an early draft pick he deserves his chances and going off his VFL form he has earned it.
Take a look at BEllis last year, his form was below VFL level in most games but as one of Dimma's pets, he played almost every game regardless.
I know for a fact Dimma isn't a fan and it's obviously a personal thing which I guess happens but why even have him on our list if that's the case. We could have got a trade for him but we decided to keep him. Either way pick 12 from 2013 is a complete bust!!
Sounds like you know the lennon family BT.
Lennon has shown nothing in any game he's played that would suggest he's got what it takes as an afl player. Nothing we have seen in any level from him shouts toughness or a willingness for uncompromising commitment to the contest. All we have seen so far is good skills and a lazy footy player that doesn't work nearly as hard as he should.
I agree with your summation of the squibs and Grigg types but your unending support of Lennon when everything about him screams laziness. I understand he hasn't have been given nearly even a quarter of the grace that other players have been given but that certainly says more about him too considering how easy it's been to get games as long as you do what Dumma wants.
Hes had the opportunity to demand a spot but he missed the bus. Now we have a different game style and speedsters in the forward fifty that are committed to working their arses off to keep the ball in forward 50. Lennon has missed the boat plain and simple and it's probably one of the only decisions the coach has made that I have agreed with.
He should've cemented his spot 2 seasons ago but he didn't. And he's an idiot for whatever reason.
We needed him to step up and take his place but he didn't. He failed and for that reason too bad too sad. We should've traded him when we had the chance. He's a waste of a pick.
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Another thing. If you can't win a place in the team in front of lloyd or Elton that says more about you than anything.
I've only seen a handful of vfl games this year and IMO Lennon was poor in all those games.
How many times has the vfl coaches report stated "Lennon is playing above the level and demanding a spot in the senior team"?
I don't remember reading this.
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Yes we should all take the club's VFL match reports as gospel....
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Yes we should all take the club's VFL match reports as gospel....
if the vfl coach states that he's playing above the level then normally you'd think that he's saying exactly what he means.
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Yes we should all take the club's VFL match reports as gospel....
if the vfl coach states that he's playing above the level then normally you'd think that he's saying exactly what he means.
Not really. Those match reports are very careful in their praise. They will only state a player is pushing for selection if Dimma likes them
Case in point Miles who played awesome for months but the match reports read like he was just a solid contributor.
Then they praise the heck out of Morris and Hunt and they play solid games but nothing special.
Its a real worry.
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Yes we should all take the club's VFL match reports as gospel....
if the vfl coach states that he's playing above the level then normally you'd think that he's saying exactly what he means.
Not really. Those match reports are very careful in their praise. They will only state a player is pushing for selection if Dimma likes them
Case in point Miles who played awesome for months but the match reports read like he was just a solid contributor.
Then they praise the heck out of Morris and Hunt and they play solid games but nothing special.
Its a real worry.
disagree, have always praised Miles and said he is playing above the level
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I always read those reports like how a teacher writes encouraging things on their student's report cards.
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Yes we should all take the club's VFL match reports as gospel....
if the vfl coach states that he's playing above the level then normally you'd think that he's saying exactly what he means.
Not really. Those match reports are very careful in their praise. They will only state a player is pushing for selection if Dimma likes them
Case in point Miles who played awesome for months but the match reports read like he was just a solid contributor.
Then they praise the heck out of Morris and Hunt and they play solid games but nothing special.
Its a real worry.
disagree, have always praised Miles and said he is playing above the level
That's what I read. This year anyway.