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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Rampsation on June 06, 2021, 08:03:26 AM
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Choose your 6 who leave Richmond at the end of 2021.
1. Derek Eggmolese Smith
2. Ryan Garthwaite
3. David Astbury
4. Bachar Houli
5. Will Martyn
6. Jack Ross
There my 6. I think Martyn is to slow and Ross is a dime a dozen type footballer who can easily be replaced. Houli and Astbury should retire. EGG shouldnt have been bought back and Garthwaite is to small to play key defence. Thry are my 6.
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Forgot to add that if trading Jason Castagna was possible Id do that and probably keep Ross.
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Forgot to add that if trading Jason Castagna was possible Id do that and probably keep Ross.
George is going ok imho and > Ross
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May not have 6 picks.
Could trade two to get a higher pick or could trade some into next year.
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Can't see us moving on 6 players.
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Choose your 6 who leave Richmond at the end of 2021.
1. Derek Eggmolese Smith
2. Ryan Garthwaite
3. David Astbury
4. Bachar Houli
5. Will Martyn
6. Jack Ross
There my 6. I think Martyn is to slow and Ross is a dime a dozen type footballer who can easily be replaced. Houli and Astbury should retire. EGG shouldnt have been bought back and Garthwaite is to small to play key defence. Thry are my 6.
I'd happily move on the same 6 myself. Cotchin might think about retiring also.
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Naish has got to go. Egg too.
Caddy traded for a future 3rd or 4th.
Houli, Astbury retire
One more after that
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I think people forget that apart from the Swans game, Georgie had a solid first 5 rounds where he kicked 9 or 10 goals and averaged 14 touches. Apart from GWS and last night, he’s had a shocker since then.
At his best, he’s bloody important to our forward structure - particularly given Dan Rioli’s fall from grace.
His numbers aren’t a ton different to Jakey Aarts, if we’re going to be trading or delisting a small forward, it should be Dan Rioli
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Don’t think we will be keeping CCJ and Chol .. salary cap makes it hard
One will go for big dollars
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I wouldn’t be against trading some tiddlywinks for ex GWS midfielder Matthew Kennedy.
For some reason he’s out of favour at the blues and can’t buy a game even though from what I’ve seen he’s significantly a better player than Dow, Setterfield and Plowman all put together :lol
But we all know Carlton are stupid. He’s a body mid that has poise, smarts and doesn’t panic under pressure and he also kicks goals.
Age: 24
Height: 190cm
Weight: 88 kgs
Draft Pick: 13 (2015)
2016–2017 Greater Western Sydney 19 games 9 goals
2018– Carlton 29 games and 23 goals
Total 48 games 30 goals.
I think at our club he would be a better player. Apparently we matched bids when he was drafted.
https://www.gwsgiants.com.au/news/453856/draft-pick-13-matthew-kennedy
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Just because we have 6 picks doesn't mean we'll use 6 picks... reckon we will lose at least one of CCJ or Chol possibly both and if we go after Cerra one of our WA players will be part of the deal but it'll cost us a pick as well and Houli should retire so there's another spot .... :shh
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Could Rioli be on the table ?.
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Who says we won’t bundle picks for a better pick or their 1 player
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Naish has got to go. Egg too.
Caddy traded for a future 3rd or 4th.
Houli, Astbury retire
One more after that
Garthwaite will also go.
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Could Rioli be on the table ?.
Doubtful
Seeing it's been reported that they are in talks for a new contract for him
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Which uncontracted guns can Tigers afford to keep?
Shai Bolton is priority 1A for Richmond’s list management team but two young talls are rocketing up the list after impressing in an exciting win against Essendon.
Paywall: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/afl-round-12-essendon-v-richmond-tigers-kick-away-after-bomber-scare-as-darcy-parish-breaks-record/news-story/6b7ddba16146383042169bf62fc2cd3a
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According to BF:
Out:
Caddy to be shopped around.
Astbury to retire.
Naish
Garthwaite
Eggy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWmEJIJ8ozI
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Mick McGuane: Over-30s who won’t be at your club in 2022
As for their list calls, Houli has been a superb player but does he want it enough to keep going?
Is Riewoldt prepared to go around again?
Edwards should play on, and ditto Astbury and Grimes.
Dusty as captain? Mick McGuanes believes it's the right call.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/mick-mcguane-makes-his-call-on-every-clubs-players-aged-30-and-above-for-2022/news-story/5f971443a0ec1669b7b37924583ed8ac
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I think people forget that apart from the Swans game, Georgie had a solid first 5 rounds where he kicked 9 or 10 goals and averaged 14 touches. Apart from GWS and last night, he’s had a shocker since then.
At his best, he’s bloody important to our forward structure - particularly given Dan Rioli’s fall from grace.
His numbers aren’t a ton different to Jakey Aarts, if we’re going to be trading or delisting a small forward, it should be Dan Rioli
Really am bamboozled by this. How do people rate this shizen player. Castagna is terrible and should be at the top of the list.
Your right about Aarts he just lack polish but fmd when it comes to skills he is a rolls royce compared to Castagna.
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What happens when the oldies realise there will be no more finals in the near future? I tell you what happens they retire they have been there done it all and if they are not playing finals or for premierships why would they in their 30's put themselves thru the rigours of pre seasons declining form and increasing injuries.
At some stage people have to acknowledge this they also have to acknowledge that the end is nigh if it is not already.Cmon people the blokes who have carried this side are not getting younger they are actually getting older and are in decline.
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With out looking at any kids i reckon we could cut 14 along with retirements depending on hunger. We need to have a rebuild mind set.
A question what are the odds on GCS actually having a win?
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We need to take 6 picks in the draft. We are done.
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Even a player like McIntosh looks done. Trade him? Pickett never rated him myself Id trade him out as well.
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Even a player like McIntosh looks done. Trade him? Pickett never rated him myself Id trade him out as well.
Macca was pathetic tonight.
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What happens when the oldies realise there will be no more finals in the near future? I tell you what happens they retire they have been there done it all and if they are not playing finals or for premierships why would they in their 30's put themselves thru the rigours of pre seasons declining form and increasing injuries.
Money
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Need about 12 to go so need a few more picks
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With out looking at any kids i reckon we could cut 14 along with retirements depending on hunger. We need to have a rebuild mind set.
A question what are the odds on GCS actually having a win?
:lol. Let’s delist 20.
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We need to take 6 picks in the draft. We are done.
I have concerns with these draft picks, anyone want to guess what they are?
Here's a few clues. Higgins, C. Ellis, Lennon, RCD, Coleman-Jones, Rioli, a bid on Carlton spud Kennedy....
We don't nail many of our early picks in recent times. We'd be better off trading them for rookie picks.
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Have to bring in 6 kids. They may not all succeed but we can get 3 x 200 gamers of the 6 then weve had a good draft.
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We need to take 6 picks in the draft. We are done.
I have concerns with these draft picks, anyone want to guess what they are?
Here's a few clues. Higgins, C. Ellis, Lennon, RCD, Coleman-Jones, Rioli, a bid on Carlton spud Kennedy....
We don't nail many of our early picks in recent times. We'd be better off trading them for rookie picks.
LOL. Geez, didn’t know that a bloke who wanted out and is getting a regular game at the Saints, a three time premiership small forward, a bloke who has played 7 AFL games showing some strong signs and another tall whose played 6 games and until 2 games ago was a must re-sign guy was apparently failing to nail early picks.
And somehow bidding (which is often more strategic then anything else) is reflective of recruiting Capabilities. But hey, if that’s the case let’s conveniently forget we placed bids on both Eric Hipwood (the very next bid after Kennedy) and Jack Steele.
We will also just ignore Bolton and Balta selection in there as well.
Nothing like two bad games to bring out the negative narrative.
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Whats happening is that our supporters want the quick fix. Bring in players from other clubs. The draft is the way to go. Bring in 6 kids and regenerate with youth. A good draft had us in contention for more flags in 3 or 4 years.
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Draft all the way. Even Prestia lynch and caddy moving to us through trade is technically karma for the AFL robbing us through a compromised draft.
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If we're smart and make some hard calls we can both trade & hit the draft hard - we have the currency so it really doesn't need to be an either/or proposition... :shh
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Having said all that - I'd throw everything at GWS for Tom Green...yowza... :o :shh
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Having said all that - I'd throw everything at GWS for Tom Green...yowza... :o :shh
Everything like what?
Give a trade scenario and I’ll see if it’s a valid option.
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Why? Are you our list manager now? :shh
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I can be. I’m very good at determining what is a good trade or not.
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Castagna, Aarts, picks 38 & 44 should get it done.... :shh :shh
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Castagna, Aarts, picks 38 & 44 should get it done.... :shh :shh
There isn’t a list manager in the AFL that would do that trade. Fail.
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How about a Kitchen sink and some steak Knives too?
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Castagna, Aarts, picks 38 & 44 should get it done.... :shh :shh
There isn’t a list manager in the AFL that would do that trade. Fail.
Ok chuck in Garthwaite as well then.... :shh :shh :shh
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Castagna, Aarts, picks 38 & 44 should get it done.... :shh :shh
There isn’t a list manager in the AFL that would do that trade. Fail.
Ok chuck in Garthwaite as well then.... :shh :shh :shh
Deal. :rollin
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I wouldn’t be against trading some tiddlywinks for ex GWS midfielder Matthew Kennedy.
For some reason he’s out of favour at the blues and can’t buy a game even though from what I’ve seen he’s significantly a better player than Dow, Setterfield and Plowman all put together :lol
But we all know Carlton are stupid. He’s a body mid that has poise, smarts and doesn’t panic under pressure and he also kicks goals.
Age: 24
Height: 190cm
Weight: 88 kgs
Draft Pick: 13 (2015)
2016–2017 Greater Western Sydney 19 games 9 goals
2018– Carlton 29 games and 23 goals
Total 48 games 30 goals.
I think at our club he would be a better player. Apparently we matched bids when he was drafted.
https://www.gwsgiants.com.au/news/453856/draft-pick-13-matthew-kennedy
I’m still a fan of this kid. I reckon we should be looking to get him to punt rd. Problem now is that he’s getting games and dominating. Will be more expensive than first thought.
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Cerra looks good :lol
Dime a dozen for me.
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Cerra looks good :lol
Dime a dozen for me.
I like him, he has some poise and he’s not afraid to kick it and gain metres and has footy smarts.
I think he would be a nice addition
I don’t like the players that are scared panic merchants. ie Ellis
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Dow the Elder finally starting to look he can actually play...wonder if we're still into him? Price going up by the week now... :shh
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Cerra looks good :lol
Dime a dozen for me.
I like him, he has some poise and he’s not afraid to kick it and gain metres and has footy smarts.
I think he would be a nice addition
I don’t like the players that are scared panic merchants. ie Ellis
If we gave up both firsts with sweeteners to add him & Green - who'll be only 23 y.o. & 21 y.o. respectively - would it be that much different than hitting the draft....would we find better players than them or even as good as them? Could possibly still get a first for CCJ too- then another if we bundle up our two second rounders for a first from say, Dogs, who'll need points to match the inevitable bid for Darcy.... :shh
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I see your point, though I just can't see it in Cerra. Looks slow and a tad soft. if we look back on the Prestia thread, I'm sure I questioned the club when we gave up pick 6 so I could be wrong again.
One thing we don't know is what is going to happen with CCJ and Bolton. For all we know we may have 4 first rounders :shh
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Still maintain go to draft with our quality picks.
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I see your point, though I just can't see it in Cerra. Looks slow and a tad soft. if we look back on the Prestia thread, I'm sure I questioned the club when we gave up pick 6 so I could be wrong again.
One thing we don't know is what is going to happen with CCJ and Bolton. For all we know we may have 4 first rounders :shh
I’m not sure how you can judge him soft.
The slow is a perception but in fact he is more composed than most - doesn’t panic.
I’d rather someone who considers his disposals rather than a serial boot-slapper.
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I see your point, though I just can't see it in Cerra. Looks slow and a tad soft. if we look back on the Prestia thread, I'm sure I questioned the club when we gave up pick 6 so I could be wrong again.
One thing we don't know is what is going to happen with CCJ and Bolton. For all we know we may have 4 first rounders :shh
I’m not sure how you can judge him soft.
The slow is a perception but in fact he is more composed than most - doesn’t panic.
I’d rather someone who considers his disposals rather than a serial boot-slapper.
Ah you mean boot slappers like McIntosh, Castagna Short and Houli.
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Can't see us moving on 6 players.
Geez we could do 10 without blinking. 6 nd picks at the moment could trade out a few for more could bring in a F/A or two it would be easy to do.
RETIRE
Houli - we all know its way past time.
Astbury 31- if he goes and i think he should then a mature recruit will be needed along with a junior.
Edwards 33 - just get the feel that he is gone past it.
Caddy 30 - give him the option to retire but if need be delist. There is no longer a role for him and playing him would just take games away from a younger bloke.
Castagna 25 - skills are deplorable just no place for his type.
McIntosh 28 - see Castagna
Aarts 27 - slow and a very good vfl player but he falls short at AFL. Not enough polish.
Des - 23 way too soft.
Garthwaite 23 - an inbetweener and not good enough for AFL after five seasons
Dan Rioli 24- would anyone really be surprised if we traded him out.
Naish 23 - just too outside and soft for me.
Chol 25- really does lack physicality toughness. would get a pick in return for him id say.
Riewoldt 33 Cotchin 31 could just hang up the boots their time is numbered.The poor games are far out numbering the good.
That was not a hard exercise to do and thats leaving the kids alone.
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Correction: After word of Bolton's re-signing there are now 14 senior listers plus 5 rookies still coming out of contract.
Coming out of contract:
Astbury, Castagna, Chol, CCJ, Cumberland, Dow, Garthwaite, Houli, Martyn, McIntosh, Naish, Nyuon, Ralphsmith, D.Rioli.
plus rookies: Colina, DES, Mansell, Miller, Stack.
Contracted for at least 2022:
Unknown timeframe: Bolton
2022: Baker, Broad, Caddy, RCD, Cotchin, Edwards, Lambert, Riewoldt, M.Rioli, Ross, Ryan, Short, Soldo
2023: Balta, Graham, Grimes, Nankervis
2024: Martin, Prestia
2025: Lynch
2026: Vlastuin
plus rookies: Aarts, Pickett.
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=30409.msg683331#msg683331
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How many spots do we anticipate we need to free up for draft picks/trades?
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Of the one's out of contract you could:
Trade Castagna, McIntosh or CCJ (could keep also)
Keep Astbury, CCJ, Dow, Martyn, Nyuon, Ralphsmith & Rioli
Delist Cumberland, Garthwaite, Houli, Naish
I am surprised Caddy is contracted.
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Was all for Cumberland being delisted but he's really started to show something in the last few VFL games...I'd hang on to him for now...would delist Martyn first... Caddy will likely be traded...hearing Norf are keen.... :shh
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After word of Bolton's re-signing there are now 13 senior listers plus 6 rookies still coming out of contract.
Coming out of contract:
Astbury, Castagna, CCJ, Cumberland, Dow, Garthwaite, Houli, Martyn, McIntosh, Naish, Nyuon, Ralphsmith, D.Rioli.
plus rookies: Colina, Chol, DES, Mansell, Miller, Stack.
Contracted for at least 2022:
Unknown timeframe: Bolton
2022: Baker, Broad, Caddy, RCD, Cotchin, Edwards, Lambert, Riewoldt, M.Rioli, Ross, Ryan, Short, Soldo
2023: Balta, Graham, Grimes, Nankervis
2024: Martin, Prestia
2025: Lynch
2026: Vlastuin
plus rookies: Aarts, Pickett.
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=30409.msg683331#msg683331
Chol isn't a rookie, he was upgraded to the main list 11/12/2020
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Chol isn't a rookie, he was upgraded to the main list 11/12/2020
Cheers taz :cheers.
He's an unrestricted free agent so from a trade perspective it doesn't matter. Another club could grab him and we'd get nothing.
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The AFL has confirmed it's list and draft rules for 2022.
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* CLUBS are set to retain the same list sizes for 2022.
* Any player in their third season as a Category A or B rookie will be eligible to spend another season as a rookie in 2022 as a 'replacement' year.
* The rule that allowed clubs to move primary-listed players to the rookie list between the first and second list lodgment periods to open up senior spots will not be permitted this off-season. They will, however, be able to shift players on the senior list to the rookie list in the time between the national and rookie drafts if the player is contracted for 2022.
* Clubs have been told they will have to again select a minimum of three players at the NAB AFL Draft after last year only needing to take one because of list reductions. The three live picks can include promoted rookies (before or after the national draft), national draft picks and pre-season draft selections.
* The free agency period will run from October 1-8, with the trade period starting on Monday, October 4 to Wednesday, October 13.
* The draft will again be staged over two nights, with the League planning for the first round to be conducted on Wednesday, November 24 and the rest of the national draft on Thursday, November 25.
* The rookie and pre-season drafts are being slated for Friday, November 26.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/659265/afl-confirms-2022-list-sizes-tweaks-rule-for-rookies
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Contracted but need to trade:
Caddy
Ross (unless he's allowed to put 5kg on and be an inside mid who handballs more than kicks)
Aarts
Coming out of contract:
Delist:
DES
Miller
Naish
Houli
Garth
Astbury/keep as depth only
Trade:
KMac/keep not fussed
Chol
Re-sign:
Stack
Mansell
Colina
KMac/or trade
Martyn
Biggie
Ralph
Rioli
CCJ
George/trade
Cumberland
Dow
Lot of those kids have only been on the list 2 years with 2020 being a bit of a development write-off.
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I wouldn’t be against trading some tiddlywinks for ex GWS midfielder Matthew Kennedy.
For some reason he’s out of favour at the blues and can’t buy a game even though from what I’ve seen he’s significantly a better player than Dow, Setterfield and Plowman all put together :lol
But we all know Carlton are stupid. He’s a body mid that has poise, smarts and doesn’t panic under pressure and he also kicks goals.
Age: 24
Height: 190cm
Weight: 88 kgs
Draft Pick: 13 (2015)
2016–2017 Greater Western Sydney 19 games 9 goals
2018– Carlton 29 games and 23 goals
Total 48 games 30 goals.
I think at our club he would be a better player. Apparently we matched bids when he was drafted.
https://www.gwsgiants.com.au/news/453856/draft-pick-13-matthew-kennedy
Maybe I should call the club and ask if they want me to assist them. :shh :rollin
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.#brokenclock :shh
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.#brokenclock :shh
Idiotic response.
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i would have been happy to give luke Dunstan a go. Was very keen on Jarrod Lyons at the end of 2018. and boy has he tracked in the right direction for a pure inside mid. I just feel Dunstan was tracking in a similar way before lyon got to Brisbane.
Yes i know Dunstan is widely regarded as a plodder but i think he has slowly improved each year and although just 12 games i thought his season last year pretty good. We need inside help for Prestia clearances and contested ball has always been a bit of a problem for us even when we were winning the flags.
The way the game has gone its become even more important.
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.#brokenclock :shh
Idiotic response.
Praise from Caesar.... :bow
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But you can be a funny bastard sometimes and thats good :cheers
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If we had got Dunstan, where would the club play him, hbf or Wing I’m guessing
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I think these suggestions are fair enough.
The club has been flawless for so long, I must admit I was puzzled that we didn't go in for more midfield depth and experience. Dunston, a Greenwood, a Powell Pepper. Our depth is very very below average. And all it will take aid a few midfield injuries and we will really struggle again. Prestia going down is awfully challenging now.
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There were players out there like lipinski , George Hewitt , but we didn’t have cash cause we played blokes like Prestia to sit on the sidelines. Also Hardwick thinks an ageing midfield that tackles 25 times a match is going to take us to the promised land.
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Agree Lipinski would have been handy and wouldn’t have cost that much.
Instead we are using Arts as an outside mid.
Our midfield really is cooked. We need some young top-end talent.
I hope Sonsie is good. I don’t hold out much hope for RCD, personally.
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I remember suggesting strongly we should get Pat Lipinski as he has skill and good character(know the family) and we would get him cheap but others said he was no good.
It doesn’t matter what I think anyway as we couldn’t afford anyone and the club have a plan right😁
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Lipinski was trade for pick 43.
Finlayson traded for equivalent of about pick 50.
Dunstan for nada.
We should have offloaded some money between Chol, CCJ, Houli, Astbury, shoulda dumped Caddy etc.
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I am frankly a little surprised peeps on this forum are suggesting players that we can’t het due to our salary cap squeeze.
There’s no doubting those players would all help but they cost money and have gone to clubs with space in cap.
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I think these suggestions are fair enough.
The club has been flawless for so long, I must admit I was puzzled that we didn't go in for more midfield depth and experience. Dunston, a Greenwood, a Powell Pepper. Our depth is very very below average. And all it will take aid a few midfield injuries and we will really struggle again. Prestia going down is awfully challenging now.
All we need is both Lambert & Prestia out & our midfield falls apart. It's our #1 need this off season (along with a key fwd) unless some of our kids can step up.
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Lipinski was trade for pick 43.
Finlayson traded for equivalent of about pick 50.
Dunstan for nada.
We should have offloaded some money between Chol, CCJ, Houli, Astbury, shoulda dumped Caddy etc.
Caddy was contracted, up at the end of this yr
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I think these suggestions are fair enough.
The club has been flawless for so long, I must admit I was puzzled that we didn't go in for more midfield depth and experience. Dunston, a Greenwood, a Powell Pepper. Our depth is very very below average. And all it will take aid a few midfield injuries and we will really struggle again. Prestia going down is awfully challenging now.
All we need is both Lambert & Prestia out & our midfield falls apart. It's our #1 need this off season (along with a key fwd) unless some of our kids can step up.
Yep. The new rules have made clearance and ball winning mids a must as the turnover game we have relied on if less effective with the stupid stand rule.
If Balta is to eventually replace Jack as a key forward then even more ballwinning mids become our #1 need (still need another young key fwd as you say).
It's where finishing continually top 4 year after year eventually gets you. You don't get access to the A-grade mids via the draft or trade as you do when you're a bottom side: Cotch (pick #2), Dusty (#3), Prestia (trade #6; originally #9). Even if in the best case scenario RCD, Ross & Dow are able to greatly improve to become permanent members of our 22 they will solid B-graders at best. Not the core to build a future premiership around. Solid B-graders are instead added around the A-grade core. It's far harder and rarer to find these A-grade gems in the late first/2nd round year after year.