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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: PuntRdRoar on July 01, 2006, 10:07:38 PM
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This is just my opinion but there comes a time when you just gotta say...i think this player isnt gonna be in our next premiership side. Thats not to say hes no good and its not to say the player has nothing to offer just that for us I just dont think we can move on with quite afew of them. Mind you if you knew some of the names I have in mind you guys would go ape droppings.
One thing I will say is that you gotta know when to move players on. Its abit like the stockmarket...sell high buy low. Some players have big years and dont improve much afterwards- your best sell date is the trade after that good year or the 2nd year at the latest. After that if the player has just become standard then its over. Value falls and youve missed the boat. When we get the balls to work that out and not just be ordinary and be happy with being ordinary then we will seriously improve our lot.
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I wouldnt go ape droppings, I would probably agree ramps! ;)
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Out with it Ramps. Start a new thread and list away lol :yep.
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Well I named 12 names in the list, 2 I know can play in Hughes and Oakley Nicholls- I know they can play because I followed sport as a kid watching both AFL and Soccer, and watching lots of junior games in both, and I know I dont need folders full of crap to tell me who can sort of play and who cant but anyway...Hughes and Oakley-Nicholls can play. Casserley, I havent seen much of and Im not gonna sacrifice any kid without giving a proper chance (I must be getting more sensible in my older age lol) So that means that 9 players already got listed as not being in Richmonds next Premiership side.
1) Moore,
2) Hartigan,
3) Limbach,
4) Humm,
5) Roach,
6) Rodan,
7) Chaffey,
8) Howat,
9) McGuane,
Stafford (Retirement) makes 10
Gaspar (Traded or Delisted or Retired) makes 11
Daniel Jackson (Where will he play, what position, what job role in the team- hasnt really improved in last 12 months) makes 12
Trent Knoble (tries hard, but do any of us believe he'll be there on a Grand Final Day for Richmond) makes 13
Nathan Foley (In and under, busts a gut, tries hard, a goer, but he isnt gonna be their either) makes 14
Andrew Krakouer (Not impacting, dont know where his headed, wont be there on a Grand Final Day makes 15
Greg Tivendale (Improved this year, Sell Sell Sell, stock price at its highest, 1 good year doesnt cover up 3 or 4 not so good ones makes 16
Ray Hall makes 17- We wont win a Premiership with Ray. Tries hard. Good run, but wont be there on the big day. We need a Premiership CHB and FB. Ray at the moment isnt that and hes not a Ruckman.
drumroll....my shock selection
Shane Tuck (Hasnt gone on from last year, just treading water again. Effective enough though to keep his trade value decent. In stock market terms his PE is high now, so It may be time to cash out).
So thats 18 players who for mine are not future Richmond premiership players.
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While i dont disagree with your comments there Ramps on all of those players, history shows us that ALL premiership teams include a bunch of players very similar to some of those listed in your post.
We are NEVER going to have 22 superstars in our team, i know we all understand that but i suppose that 3-4 of those players may end up Richmond Premiership players.
I could also be an instant millionaire tomorrow ;D
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drumroll....my shock selection
Shane Tuck (Hasnt gone on from last year, just treading water again. Effective enough though to keep his trade value decent. In stock market terms his PE is high now, so It may be time to cash out).
I thought you'd say one of Tuck or Cogs :shh.
I can see us trading a surprise name but I can't see Tucky being one of them given he is a inside midfielder and our only one now that Cogs has done his knee. He is also in that middle age bracket that we have so few players in. 18 names also means there are plenty ahead of him who'll be offloaded over the next 2-3 drafts.
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Only 22 play in the Premiership...we can't have a list of 36 that are all gonna be best 22. Some squad players like Hall are needed.
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I really like to thank the mods for giving this its own thread when I stuck it in the middle of nowhere to begin with lol ;D. I fully understand that all premiership sides need hard workers and some players get lucky like Darryl Freame, but for mine, when someone can list almost 20 players as I have done, then it shows we are still a long long way away. So yes, you guys are correct that you need squad players- clubs need 28-30 senior players who can play at the level not just 22, but again I reiterate, we have to many of this calibre, and Id expect infact that most of the players I have named on the list will have disappeared over the next 2 national drafts.
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drumroll....my shock selection
Shane Tuck (Hasnt gone on from last year, just treading water again. Effective enough though to keep his trade value decent. In stock market terms his PE is high now, so It may be time to cash out).
I thought you'd say one of Tuck or Cogs :shh.
I can see us trading a surprise name but I can't see Tucky being one of them given he is a inside midfielder and our only one now that Cogs has done his knee. He is also in that middle age bracket that we have so few players in. 18 names also means there are plenty ahead of him who'll be offloaded over the next 2-3 drafts.
Coughlan would of also been in the mix but his knee means we keep him for now. I agree on Tuck, plenty ahead of him to get the chop, and he is an inside midfielder at about the right age, but you gotta give something to get something, and I reckon...right about now is going to be the best price we are going to be able to demand for tuck or maybe a combination of players which include Tucky.
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Only 22 play in the Premiership...we can't have a list of 36 that are all gonna be best 22. Some squad players like Hall are needed.
:thumbsup
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1) Moore,
2) Hartigan,
3) Limbach,
4) Humm,
5) Roach,
6) Rodan,
7) Chaffey,
8) Howat,
9) McGuane,
Basically agree their Ramps except for Limbach and Moore, for some reason i think they could suprise us in a few years
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Two years ago you would have thrown out Pettifer too?????????
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Two years ago you would have thrown out Pettifer too?????????
Pettifer has improved, seriously improved with the new coaching panel. Sadly most of the listed players I have named havent improved substantially enough for me to think they will be in Richmonds next premiership side. Today was a good win. But how many of my listed players here were very good today. Tuck maybe, Krakouer was serviceable, Foley was serviceable. The rest really didnt impact, infact most didnt play lol.
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Tivendale. He took Coughlan's place in and under in the middle and won hands down.
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I think Tucky reads your posts Ramps lol.
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Well in this business you gotta have the gonads to say what you believe, Im not here to be popular, Tuck was good, but I thought it was apparent that I said that you gotta give something to get something! And PS- If players do read this poo, then I hope they take it on board, coz people like me rattled tins and poo like that so they can get well paid today. I hope all 18 of them prove me wrong but we all know that wont happen ;D
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history shows us that ALL premiership teams include a bunch of players very similar to some of those listed in your post.
See Blumfield, Heffernan and the other guy. whats his face from Essendon 2000. All handy in a good team, but they did stuff all when traded.
We just need a few more years for our younger players, keep our handy players and we'll be looking good.
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Nathan Foley
Andrew Krakouer
Shane Tuck
You should become our motivation coach Ramps ;). The players obviously read your posts before games lol.
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Your not trying to be mischievious now are you MT ;D but I still believe these 3 wont be here on grand final day. You have to trade when the price is best. And we all know you have to trade a good player to secure a good player.
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Nathan Foley
Andrew Krakouer
Shane Tuck
You should become our motivation coach Ramps ;). The players obviously read your posts before games lol.
Oh yeah and I forgot to ask how much is an honorarium down at Tigerland these days! ;D
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Your not trying to be mischievious now are you MT ;D but I still believe these 3 wont be here on grand final day. You have to trade when the price is best. And we all know you have to trade a good player to secure a good player.
Or find a dumb club like Geelong, North or Freo who are willing to give up first round picks for one-year wonders :wallywink :pray.
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BUMP! Any comments after tonights performance. For mine, just showed that the list turnover must occur and it must be deep. We lost by 3 goals but in reality we are about a 7 goal worse side than Melbourne.
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We could add another 16 names to that list based on last night. We didn't come 110% to play. The Dees didn't either mind you (although not a bad as us) but their extra class and smarts got them a comfortably win.
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I think you may need to add to your list Ramps ;).
As for Tivendale, 1 good year in 3 doesnt do anything for me, I have a view about these things and that is players like Tivendale should be moved almost immediately after they have a good year coz thats most valueable time to trade them.
If Tivs plays like he has the past two weeks he won't have any value.
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If I did a new list based on tonights little effort itd have 33 players on it lol. Since Id like to see a Richmond flag before I jump onto the old age pension in about 30 years...lets just keep the list to the 17 or 18 players for now lol.
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Any comments after todays little shin dig against the saints?
By the way Ive decided to add Patrick Bowden and Joel Bowden to the list.
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Any comments after todays little shin dig against the saints?
Your list is looking more spot on by the week Ramps. We still have too many guys who aren't up to AFL standard and with our injuries they are getting senior games and it shows against top 8 sides.
Nothing has really changed from what we thought at the start of Terry's stint. It's going to take all of Wallace's 5 years just to get the list right and back into balance. The best of our 21 and under blokes will form the new core and we'll build around them.
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I think that our problem is that we have too many FRONT RUNNERS
Too many that NEVER play well in a losing team.
My Front Runners:
Joel Bowden
Patrick Bowden
Ray Hall
Shane Tuck
Greg Tivendale
David Rodan
Mark Chaffey
I am sure that there are others from todays game that i missed but i am not thinking straight after watching that crap.
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Tough call but i don't reckon Whitey will ever be a premiership player. Not clean, not skilful doesn't hurt enough. But he is a goer though
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Whitey does make some mistakes and probably needs to commit to the contest a little better but i think people tend to forget that his is only first year and wasnt picked up until the pre-season draft.
I reckon he will be ok.
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I think that our problem is that we have too many FRONT RUNNERS
Too many that NEVER play well in a losing team.
My Front Runners:
Joel Bowden
Patrick Bowden
Ray Hall
Shane Tuck
Greg Tivendale
David Rodan
Mark Chaffey
I am sure that there are others from todays game that i missed but i am not thinking straight after watching that crap.
Sadly most of those aren't up to top 4 AFL standard so I wouldn't call them frontrunners; just not good enough. Joel is up to it but he's no KPP. Opposition sides have worked out to place their best or second best forward on him and then play through him so Joel is not only outmatched size wise but he can't run off either.
We are still paying for Spud recruiting no key defenders in his 5 years. We still rely almost entirely on roughly 30 year olds like Gas and Kellaway. The loss of Thursty was a major blow as we have no other youngster coming through that look good enough to replace them and play FB or CHB.
You could say many Saints are frontrunner. Sheesh we made some ordinary footballers look brilliant today :banghead.
Speaking of Razor. Nearly every Tiger supporter that has rung up talkback has bagged the crap out of him. One called him the worst Richmond player of all time and they started to compare him Lounder, Honybun, Esler and those of the late 80s/early 90s. One said he told his Saint mate to put money on Gehrig kicking 10. He might be an average footballer but you can't point the blame at one player when the team gets flogged by 17 goals.
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Razor doesnt do to bad across half back but when he gets caught one out close to goal he panicks a fair bit and doesnt react well.
There could be a spot for him in our team, but i dont think there is room for both Hall and Gaspar going forward.
One of them has to go.
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One of them has to go.
Agree Bully but the problem in the long-term for us is the one who is 30 years old and a unreliable kick is showing the best form. Gas has rarely been beaten or had a bag kicked on him this year.
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Dont disagree MT, Gas would be ok to stay on a small contract only problem is that him and Chubba are nearly finished.
We need to have a replacement program ;D
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Yep, we need Gumby or Hansen in the draft :yep.
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i think nathan foley is a great footballer and will b with richmond for quiet a few years 2 come he is such a tuff guy for the size of him and will have a dip even when there losing
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Yep, we need Gumby or Hansen in the draft :yep.
Lachys doing his best for us, today he said he doesnt think hes in the top 5 players for the draft lol. And yes we do need both, sadly we wont get either the way things are working out.
As for White, hes not on the list at this stage coz as i said before, i wont burn a kid for no reason. To early to make a judgement for mine- positives include, pace and his want to run lines, negatives are decision making.
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i think nathan foley is a great footballer and will b with richmond for quiet a few years 2 come he is such a tuff guy for the size of him and will have a dip even when there losing
Welcome aboard OER jimmy jess :cheers.
Foley has been close to a rising star nomination over the past month but the side losing isn't doing him any favours. He should have got it for turning the game our way against Port.
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List stays in tact after todays effort. Tuck has to be traded at the end of this yaer and Krakouer as well. Have to give something to get something and this is the year to do it.
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List stays in tact after todays effort. Tuck has to be traded at the end of this yaer and Krakouer as well. Have to give something to get something and this is the year to do it.
You could almost base who stays and goes on just today's game. The same olds kept making the same old mistakes.
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Only 22 play in the Premiership...we can't have a list of 36 that are all gonna be best 22. Some squad players like Hall are needed.
Why? What upside does Hall have? He is a barely effective second tall defender and won't ever be much more than that. I'd rather see us pick up another Thursfield - who at least has some upside.
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Having the balls to make the tough decisions and getting up afew trades (even some) that the supporters wont like will determine how quick Plough gets success as Richmond coach. Its now or never for Plough and I hope he understands that in the end itll be the players or him if things dont work out and as we all know the coach gets it! Wallace is smart and for mine, he'll nail the players who cant play before they nail him. The next 2 months will say and determine a hell of alot about the RFC during the next decade.
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Wallace was given a 5 year deal so he should be aware that tough long-term decisions are part of his coaching as any short-term pain from offloading someone won't cost him his job and won't be noticed by 2009. The gains from acting or failing to act will be though.
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I know it's been a long, long time since we've been a consistent finals team, but I am happy at the moment. I am genuinely excited about the young guys, and can't wait to see what Polo, Lids, Blingers, Patto etc. are like in another 2 years. I honestly think Polo is something special.
Frawley never gave me any hope for the whole time he was there, with Wallace, I can see the rebuilding and I like what he is doing with the team. Essendon is going through a Frawley stage I reckon, they seem to be going nowhere, drafting players like Cole and Camporeale, not many real promising youngsters also.
Our youngsters have important roles in the team, whereas I look at the Hawks and their young guys seem to just think they are in the team temporarily and don't have much confidence.
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I would say 21 are definitely safe. The rest are either tradable and/or not up to it.
Newman (although he won't be fully right until 2008).
Lids
Raines
Simmo
Browny
Joel
Richo
Polo
Pettifer
Johnson
Meyer
Cogs (knee makes him safe)
Schulz
Patto
JON
Blingers
Hughes
Thursfield
Casserly
Kellaway
Graham (rookie list)
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Hey MT, I reckon your right there ;)
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Just read through the thread.
A few comments -
1. Joel is not always a front runner. He is frustrating but is no KPP or pure defender and plays above himself.
2. Ramps put too many names on his list. This has been said previously
3. I think we need to draft a lot more than the minimum this year.
4. Some draftees need more time, attitude is obviously a major factor. Raines has come on this year, what's to say Roach, Limbach or Hartigan can't?
I would expect all of the fab five to make significant improvement next year.
Moore I think has had the time being part of the rookie list, so him, Rodan, Tiv, Krak, Chaffey, Stafford and Humm I would expect to go at the end of the year. Howat wouldn't want to go missing at all even considering his great debut.
I notice you don;t have B2 on your safe list MT, I'd be very suprised if he hasn't earned himself another year.
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H- the list is not a list of who should be at Punt Rd next year rather its a list of players who in my opinion will never be Richmond premiership players. I stand by the list totally. We have 20 blokes on the list who will never be premiership players at our club and i expect most of the 20 will be out of Richmond by the end of 2007
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I notice you don;t have B2 on your safe list MT, I'd be very suprised if he hasn't earned himself another year.
I don't expect Paddy to be going anywhere either but there's no guarantees as we may need to trade someone of value to get another high draft pick. Paddy has gone from zilch (a Werribee player picked up at #56) to a 20 disposals per game AFL player rebounding off half-back in tandem with his brother in the space of one summer.
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With abit of luck I could probably turn this thread into the first 3000 post thread in the history of OER over the next 3 or 4 years. ;D
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H- the list is not a list of who should be at Punt Rd next year rather its a list of players who in my opinion will never be Richmond premiership players. I stand by the list totally. We have 20 blokes on the list who will never be premiership players at our club and i expect most of the 20 will be out of Richmond by the end of 2007
Not sure that we will see 20 leave the list over this and next year. Who do we replaced that many with 18yr olds?? If so we would be following Hawthorn's path and then be several years behind. Look at the average age of who you reckon will be left and add the 20 18/19yr olds. That makes for many years at the bottom
Personally I see only 4/5 changes this year and the same number the following year. The only way to get up to your numbers is to trade but from your list there is little in the way of serious trade value.
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Moore I think has had the time being part of the rookie list, so him, Rodan, Tiv, Krak, Chaffey, Stafford and Humm I would expect to go at the end of the year. Howat wouldn't want to go missing at all even considering his great debut.
Both Rodan and Krak are contracted till 2007 according to our contract list. They might be safe, but the rest are probably gone with Tiv, Chaff and Staff 2006.
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When I say most of the 20 wont be at RFC by the end of 2007 that doesnt mean all 20 that could mean say 15 out of the 20 which in my opinion constitute the defination of the word "most" I think we should be looking for 8 to 9 changes this year and maybe 8 or so next year...
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Krak would have some sort of trade value & I would take what was offered within reason.
Rodan I forgot got two years last year. Hopefully this is heavily performance based, he would want to have a great year next year to extend his career.
God damm it Ramps! I was looking at your list and thinking when we win a flag in the next five years some of those players will have to be in the side.
Next five years...................... is it wishful thinking??? I've been waiting 26 already.
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I see us offloading more players this year than next due to the quality of the upcoming draft. We need another cleanout and an injection of talent.
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I see us offloading more players this year than next due to the quality of the upcoming draft. We need another cleanout and an injection of talent.
This is where I don't see it - or maybe I just dont want too :P. I can see us "Trying" to offload blokes but....
We can offer who ever we like but the question really becomes of the ones we put up is any other team going to be interested. ???
I think of those players we have contracted that may be offered as trade and no-one will want them or want them at the price we want, where as the ones we are not going to offer (eg Lids, Polo etc) will be the ones other teams will be after.
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I think of those players we have contracted that may be offered as trade and no-one will want them or want them at the price we want, where as the ones we are not going to offer (eg Lids, Polo etc) will be the ones other teams will be after.
Can't see them wanting any of the players we see as discards - but some lucky club might be able to get one player for free if we don't sign him up soon - what the hell is going on with Rainisey? :banghead
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We only have 3 tradeable players in my opinion worth anything decent and 2 of them have to be packaged up the three are Tuck and Krakouer to (North) as lot 1 and Schulz to Port (Only) as lot 2.
PLEASE NOTE! Id be reticent to part with Schulz just depends how desperate we are for an early pick Id reckon but Sarge isnt pleasing alot of people id imagine with his capacity to kick 2 in 5 minutes and disappear for the rest of the game.
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Tuck would be worth a fair bit on his own. No need to package him with someone else. If Richie Cole could attract a top 20 pick or thereabouts then so would Krak. There always seems to be a desparate dumb club every year. Let's just hope it isn't us. Any player has a certain value or none as far as another club thinks. There's no half-value IMO.
I wouldn't be trading Sarge. Get him on the track over summer and boost his endurance.
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I see us offloading more players this year than next due to the quality of the upcoming draft. We need another cleanout and an injection of talent.
This is where I don't see it - or maybe I just dont want too :P. I can see us "Trying" to offload blokes but....
We can offer who ever we like but the question really becomes of the ones we put up is any other team going to be interested. ???
I think of those players we have contracted that may be offered as trade and no-one will want them or want them at the price we want, where as the ones we are not going to offer (eg Lids, Polo etc) will be the ones other teams will be after.
We'd be mad trading the likes of Lids, Polo, etc but I can see us trading someone who other clubs rate highly but we may think has plateaued and can be semi-easily replaced within the next 2-3 years hopefully with another first round pick or two who is better. I don't have any names but we still need to add a number of high quality footballers to our list if we want to challenge in say 3-4 years time. Adding just 4 players per draft each year won't let us catch up with the top sides over time unless nearly all of them turn out to be good AFL standard.
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I think I said last year that we should go to the trade table at the end of any year with no untradeable players.
Any club: we want Lids
RFC: what's the offer?
Bris (for instance): Aker & pick 72
RFC: No thanks
Or Alternatively
Melbourne: we want Lids
RFC: what's the offer?
Melb: Cam Bruce + Pick 12
RFC: Will you pay all of CB's salary for two years?
Melb: Yes
RFC: Done.
I.e. Everyone is tradeable for the right price.
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H is looking to orchestrate a riot ;D
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You're right ramps, we'd still get stiffed on that deal.
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Your list would be longer after today Ramps ;).
Sheesh we looked slow today :help.
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No need to panic gentlemen. 6 delistings and 2 or 3 players put up for trades. If we dont get the trade im hoping for then yes...we may have some problems coz we do need an earlier pick. Anyway the next 6 weeks will be intriguing for all of us.
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Not premiership players = most of the 22 who played tonight.
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terry should take the blame along with miller
cant blame many of teh players
its not their fault they were selected to play for us by ppl who cant coach and develop them.
wallce should walk away
miler should walk away
knights should take over
we must trade delist get rid of
sugar
joel
richo
gaspar
tiv
and everyone who has no effing idea how to play
we have to start playing all our kids and f our leaders and experienced blokes off
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At the moment our senior players with supposedly good skills are letting us down.
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At the moment our senior players with supposedly good skills are letting us down.
Dont worry about letting us down.
Watched the Captain kick straight to the opposition inside forward 50 last night. If they captain does that repeatedly, what example is that for the younger players.
And you wont improve players skills once they are have been in the system for a while. Richo is a perfect example.
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At the moment our senior players with supposedly good skills are letting us down.
Watched the Captain kick straight to the opposition inside forward 50 last night. If they captain does that repeatedly, what example is that for the younger players.
Yeah he does it time and time again. Or he handpasses the ball to a player who has his opponent standing right next to him.
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At the moment our senior players with supposedly good skills are letting us down.
Dont worry about letting us down.
They are just not gone enough.
Watched the Captain kick straight to the opposition inside forward 50 last night. If they captain does that repeatedly, what example is that for the younger players.
And you wont improve players skills once they are have been in the system for a while. Richo is a perfect example.
I wasn't just talking about our old players like the captain, Jack. Anyone over 22 is a senior player.
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1) Moore,
2) Hartigan,
3) Limbach,
4) Humm,
5) Roach,
6) Rodan,
7) Chaffey,
8) Howat,
9) McGuane,
Stafford (Retirement) makes 10
Gaspar (Traded or Delisted or Retired) makes 11
Daniel Jackson (Where will he play, what position, what job role in the team- hasnt really improved in last 12 months) makes 12
Trent Knoble (tries hard, but do any of us believe he'll be there on a Grand Final Day for Richmond) makes 13
Nathan Foley (In and under, busts a gut, tries hard, a goer, but he isnt gonna be their either) makes 14
Andrew Krakouer (Not impacting, dont know where his headed, wont be there on a Grand Final Day makes 15
Greg Tivendale (Improved this year, Sell Sell Sell, stock price at its highest, 1 good year doesnt cover up 3 or 4 not so good ones makes 16
Ray Hall makes 17- We wont win a Premiership with Ray. Tries hard. Good run, but wont be there on the big day. We need a Premiership CHB and FB. Ray at the moment isnt that and hes not a Ruckman.
drumroll....my shock selection
Shane Tuck (Hasnt gone on from last year, just treading water again. Effective enough though to keep his trade value decent. In stock market terms his PE is high now, so It may be time to cash out).
So thats 18 players who for mine are not future Richmond premiership players.
You weren't far off Ramps with your predictions last year. Those striked out are gone while those in bold are no longer in the senior 22. Foley and McGuane probably the only ones to take their names off your list.
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Having the balls to make the tough decisions and getting up afew trades (even some) that the supporters wont like will determine how quick Plough gets success as Richmond coach. Its now or never for Plough and I hope he understands that in the end itll be the players or him if things dont work out and as we all know the coach gets it! Wallace is smart and for mine, he'll nail the players who cant play before they nail him. The next 2 months will say and determine a hell of alot about the RFC during the next decade.
Better late than never for Plough.
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I agree that Foley and McGuane are showing signs but im not yet convinced that theyd be there on grand final day. Players like Patrick Bowden can also be added to the list and Id be looking to trade Joel Bowden to at the end of the year coz he has some currency with 2 All Australian selections. Its also pretty obvious that Kingsley wont be there so...hes on the list as well.
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1) Moore,
2) Hartigan,
3) Limbach,
4) Humm,
5) Roach,
6) Rodan,
7) Chaffey,
8) Howat,
9) McGuane,
Stafford (Retirement) makes 10
Gaspar (Traded or Delisted or Retired) makes 11
Daniel Jackson (Where will he play, what position, what job role in the team- hasnt really improved in last 12 months) makes 12
Trent Knoble (tries hard, but do any of us believe he'll be there on a Grand Final Day for Richmond) makes 13
Nathan Foley (In and under, busts a gut, tries hard, a goer, but he isnt gonna be their either) makes 14
Andrew Krakouer (Not impacting, dont know where his headed, wont be there on a Grand Final Day makes 15
Greg Tivendale (Improved this year, Sell Sell Sell, stock price at its highest, 1 good year doesnt cover up 3 or 4 not so good ones makes 16
Ray Hall makes 17- We wont win a Premiership with Ray. Tries hard. Good run, but wont be there on the big day. We need a Premiership CHB and FB. Ray at the moment isnt that and hes not a Ruckman.
drumroll....my shock selection
Shane Tuck (Hasnt gone on from last year, just treading water again. Effective enough though to keep his trade value decent. In stock market terms his PE is high now, so It may be time to cash out).
So thats 18 players who for mine are not future Richmond premiership players.
Bump ;)
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Well Foley has shown us how valuable he is this year. McGuane I'd keep for a while and maybe Howat. Moore is gone as is Hall and Knobel. Krak could be trade bait. Not sure about the others.
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the only player who will survive the cuts is foley...the rest are finished and in time Ill put up another list lol...
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Ramps' New List of Non Richmond Premiership Players are in Bold- THE 2ND INSTALLMENT!
11. Joel Bowden - Hes a different player to brown at the same age. Doubt he'd be there.
12. Matthew Richardson (vet - outside) - Wont make it unfortunately becaue hell retire beforehand. Champion who deserved better!
13. Trent Knobel - NO
15. Kayne Pettifer - NO
16. Patrick Bowden - NO
17. Kane Johnson - NO
18. Kent Kingsley - NO
20. Ray Hall - NO
21. Shane Tuck - NO
23. Daniel Jackson - NO
24. Mark Coughlan - NO- Injuries will cruel him, he was lacking a yard before the knees, a Great
Bloke and a player who gave us hope when he started, Great Respect for him but I cant see it.
25. Jay Schulz - NO
27. Andrew Krakouer - NO
31. Chris Hyde - NO
32. Greg Tivendale - NO
33. Brent Hartigan - NO
35. Matthew White - NO - Hes a goer could be a squad player in a good side but I have doubts that in a premiership side a coach would pick him in the final 22.
38. Luke McGuane - NO - I cant see it, hopefully Im wrong, but we need a bigger full back in Time.
40. Kelvin Moore - NO
43. Cameron Howat - NO
There are some others who escaped who were borderline like Meyer and afew others as well- they have been given the benefit of the doubt
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Why did you give Meyer the benefit of doubt ahead of the others?
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Meyer showed at Geelong last year that he can play off half back. Hes a good kick- which we dont have many of. For now he survived my cut because he can kick well. Tambling also survived my cut...believe me, both were very close to getting listed today. But ive stuck 20 blokes on a list, it just goes to show how badly weve managed our list that my list has run to 20 players 2 years in a row and people are wanting more people on it. in the end, its just an opinion. I hope all the players can turn it around, especially someone like Mark Coughlan- who as i said, i have alot of respect for.
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I hope Meyer can make it too, he has the skills.
Just his heart I worry about.
Glad you kept him there :thumbsup
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Ramps' New List of Non Richmond Premiership Players are in Bold- THE 2ND INSTALLMENT!
11. Joel Bowden - Hes a different player to brown at the same age. Doubt he'd be there.
12. Matthew Richardson (vet - outside) - Wont make it unfortunately becaue hell retire beforehand. Champion who deserved better!
13. Trent Knobel - NO
15. Kayne Pettifer - NO
16. Patrick Bowden - NO
17. Kane Johnson - NO
18. Kent Kingsley - NO
20. Ray Hall - NO
21. Shane Tuck - NO
23. Daniel Jackson - NO
24. Mark Coughlan - NO- Injuries will cruel him, he was lacking a yard before the knees, a Great
Bloke and a player who gave us hope when he started, Great Respect for him but I cant see it.
25. Jay Schulz - NO
27. Andrew Krakouer - NO
31. Chris Hyde - NO
32. Greg Tivendale - NO
33. Brent Hartigan - NO
35. Matthew White - NO - Hes a goer could be a squad player in a good side but I have doubts that in a premiership side a coach would pick him in the final 22.
38. Luke McGuane - NO - I cant see it, hopefully Im wrong, but we need a bigger full back in Time.
40. Kelvin Moore - NO
43. Cameron Howat - NO
There are some others who escaped who were borderline like Meyer and afew others as well- they have been given the benefit of the doubt
Very accurate assessment.
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This list is just an ongoing opinion, I had Nathan Foley on this list 12 months ago he has proved to everyone he is a very very good footballer now- he plays hard tough footy with passion. Hopefully players realise that they have a brilliant opportunity to play for a great club with a great history and do a Foley. And if I could pick just 1 player from my list to prove me wrong... i hope Cogs comes back and kills em.
The disastrous state of our list is also shown because blokes like Collins and Petersen and those guys havent been seen and I refer back to the very first posts in this thread where i stated that i wouldnt sacrifice any kid without seeing enough first - and if they dont come on as we hope we are well and truly up ..... creek.
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you could cut only 2 players from a team & introduce 2 new players & it can make 10 bad players everyone wants cut into a team of champions because the team plays different around the 2 newbies but cutting a list aggressively can cut your own throat & you can lose some good players
example Rodan was really going nowhere but put him into Ports side in a different role & game plan & he is showing good form but bring him back to Richmond next year he will turn to a sideways chip kicker who runs in circles cause we dont play direct football & got no gameplan after 1 kick out of defence
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Very accurate assessment.
This is where you have a bob each way. The list is crap and one that Terry inherited, but everything is all his fault.
Can't work you out!
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Very accurate assessment.
This is where you have a bob each way. The list is crap and one that Terry inherited, but everything is all his fault.
Can't work you out!
Pretty easy to work out Moi.
Terry inherited an ordinary list.
In MY opinion he has recruited extremely poorly, you cant tell me that the recruits have been any good. Blind man freddy would of picked Deledio as No 1 ::)
JON, Myer, Tambling and hardly world beaters. throw in McGaune( cant keep his feet and falls over alot)
P. Bowden, T. Knobel ,K. Kingsley= Total waste of space.
And if anyone say that Knoble is injured , GUESS WHAT, he ws injured all the time with the Saints and struggled to get through a game.
Just maybe, the brains at punt road want to do a bit of homework on future players instead of organising the supplying of ''Tiger skins"" and Polo jackets for members ;) ;) ;)
The list has GOT WORSE
He has also "" fallen in love"" with players who arent up to it. E.g Jay Schultz and they go and offer him a new contract ::) Daniel Jackson, Krakouer and dont forget Kelvin Moore everybody on here was talking about Kelvin Moore ::) Kelvin Moore cannot play footy at AFL, do you actually watch ?
You say the list is crap and I agree, but it has steadily got worse over the past 3 years through terrible recruiting, if people cant see that, I dont know what to think,
Terrys game plan is a mess, the "" blind mice"" game plan was there AGAIN for viewing last night.
I tell you what my fault is Moi ,and i am one of many to blame, was voting for the CASEY ticket 3 years ago.
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Bump ;D
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Well I named 12 names in the list, 2 I know can play in Hughes and Oakley Nicholls- I know they can play because I followed sport as a kid watching both AFL and Soccer, and watching lots of junior games in both, and I know I dont need folders full of crap to tell me who can sort of play and who cant but anyway...Hughes and Oakley-Nicholls can play. Casserley, I havent seen much of and Im not gonna sacrifice any kid without giving a proper chance (I must be getting more sensible in my older age lol) So that means that 9 players already got listed as not being in Richmonds next Premiership side.
1) Moore, - Staying
2) Hartigan, - Gawn
3) Limbach, - Gawn
4) Humm, - Gawn
5) Roach, - Gawn
6) Rodan, - Gawn
7) Chaffey, - Gawn
8) Howat, - Staying.
9) McGuane, - Gawn
Stafford (Retirement) makes 10 - Gawn
Gaspar (Traded or Delisted or Retired) makes 11 - Gawn
Daniel Jackson (Where will he play, what position, what job role in the team- hasnt really improved in last 12 months) makes 12
Trent Knoble (tries hard, but do any of us believe he'll be there on a Grand Final Day for Richmond) makes 13 - Gawn
Nathan Foley (In and under, busts a gut, tries hard, a goer, but he isnt gonna be their either) makes 14 Staying :shh
Andrew Krakouer (Not impacting, dont know where his headed, wont be there on a Grand Final Day makes 15 - Gawn
Greg Tivendale (Improved this year, Sell Sell Sell, stock price at its highest, 1 good year doesnt cover up 3 or 4 not so good ones makes 16 - still here ;D
Ray Hall makes 17- We wont win a Premiership with Ray. Tries hard. Good run, but wont be there on the big day. We need a Premiership CHB and FB. Ray at the moment isnt that and hes not a Ruckman. - Gawn
drumroll....my shock selection
Shane Tuck (Hasnt gone on from last year, just treading water again. Effective enough though to keep his trade value decent. In stock market terms his PE is high now, so It may be time to cash out). Staying.
So thats 18 players who for mine are not future Richmond premiership players.
EDIT: DONT MIND ME IM BLIND AND DIDNT SEE THE UPDATED. :rollin
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From the first list all those bolded now gone!
1) Moore,
2) Hartigan,
3) Limbach,
4) Humm,
5) Roach,
6) Rodan,
7) Chaffey,
8) Howat,
9) McGuane,
10) Stafford
11) Gaspar
12) Daniel Jackson
13) Trent Knoble
14) Nathan Foley
15) Andrew Krakouer
16) Greg Tivendale
17) Ray Hall
18) Shane Tuck
Most of the 2nd installment are gone as they appeared in the first list.
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Still reckon Richo, Bowden and afew others wont get there because of age. Time will beat them.
JON Hughes Meyer and afew of the others better get a wriggle on shortly coz they may find themselves in Ramps installment No 3 ;D
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From the first list all those bolded now gone!
1) Moore,
2) Hartigan,
3) Limbach,
4) Humm,
5) Roach,
6) Rodan,
7) Chaffey,
8) Howat,
9) McGuane,
10) Stafford
11) Gaspar
12) Daniel Jackson
13) Trent Knoble
14) Nathan Foley
15) Andrew Krakouer
16) Greg Tivendale
17) Ray Hall
18) Shane Tuck
Most of the 2nd installment are gone as they appeared in the first list.
Still have faith in Sarge Ramps?
Moore, Hyde, Schulz, JON, Meyer, Hughes, Collins and Howat (if he survives) will be under pressure next year for mine for different reasons. The older ones need to cement a spot in the side to survive and the younger ones need to start pushing for selection and playing some AFL games. The 2008 draft is meant to be a strong and deep one so lists may be cut deeper than this year.
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Ramps' New List of Non Richmond Premiership Players are in Bold- THE 2ND INSTALLMENT!
11. Joel Bowden - Hes a different player to brown at the same age. Doubt he'd be there.
12. Matthew Richardson (vet - outside) - Wont make it unfortunately becaue hell retire beforehand. Champion who deserved better!
13. Trent Knobel - NO
15. Kayne Pettifer - NO
16. Patrick Bowden - NO
17. Kane Johnson - NO
18. Kent Kingsley - NO
20. Ray Hall - NO
21. Shane Tuck - NO
23. Daniel Jackson - NO
24. Mark Coughlan - NO- Injuries will cruel him, he was lacking a yard before the knees, a Great
Bloke and a player who gave us hope when he started, Great Respect for him but I cant see it.
25. Jay Schulz - NO
27. Andrew Krakouer - NO
31. Chris Hyde - NO
32. Greg Tivendale - NO
33. Brent Hartigan - NO
35. Matthew White - NO - Hes a goer could be a squad player in a good side but I have doubts that in a premiership side a coach would pick him in the final 22.
38. Luke McGuane - NO - I cant see it, hopefully Im wrong, but we need a bigger full back in Time.
40. Kelvin Moore - NO
43. Cameron Howat - NO
There are some others who escaped who were borderline like Meyer and afew others as well- they have been given the benefit of the doubt
this was installment 2. Jay Schulz was on the list a while back.
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Ramps' New List of Non Richmond Premiership Players are in Bold- THE 2ND INSTALLMENT!
11. Joel Bowden - Hes a different player to brown at the same age. Doubt he'd be there.
12. Matthew Richardson (vet - outside) - Wont make it unfortunately becaue hell retire beforehand. Champion who deserved better!
13. Trent Knobel - NO
15. Kayne Pettifer - NO
16. Patrick Bowden - NO
17. Kane Johnson - NO
18. Kent Kingsley - NO
20. Ray Hall - NO
21. Shane Tuck - NO
23. Daniel Jackson - NO
24. Mark Coughlan - NO- Injuries will cruel him, he was lacking a yard before the knees, a Great
Bloke and a player who gave us hope when he started, Great Respect for him but I cant see it.
25. Jay Schulz - NO
27. Andrew Krakouer - NO
31. Chris Hyde - NO
32. Greg Tivendale - NO
33. Brent Hartigan - NO
35. Matthew White - NO - Hes a goer could be a squad player in a good side but I have doubts that in a premiership side a coach would pick him in the final 22.
38. Luke McGuane - NO - I cant see it, hopefully Im wrong, but we need a bigger full back in Time.
40. Kelvin Moore - NO
43. Cameron Howat - NO
There are some others who escaped who were borderline like Meyer and afew others as well- they have been given the benefit of the doubt
this was installment 2. Jay Schulz was on the list a while back.
Cheers Ramps. What stands out there is 11 of the 14 still left on your list Ramps are from pre-2004 draft. Browny, Newy and Rainesy the only pre-2004ers who aren't listed.
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Bump lol
1) Moore,
2) Hartigan,
3) Limbach,
4) Humm,
5) Roach,
6) Rodan,
7) Chaffey,
8) Howat,
9) McGuane,
10) Stafford
11) Gaspar
12) Daniel Jackson
13) Trent Knoble
14) Nathan Foley
15) Andrew Krakouer
16) Greg Tivendale
17) Ray Hall
18) Shane Tuck
Ramps' New List of Non Richmond Premiership Players are in Bold- THE 2ND INSTALLMENT!
11. Joel Bowden - Hes a different player to brown at the same age. Doubt he'd be there.
12. Matthew Richardson (vet - outside) - Wont make it unfortunately becaue hell retire beforehand. Champion who deserved better!
13. Trent Knobel - NO
15. Kayne Pettifer - NO
16. Patrick Bowden - NO
17. Kane Johnson - NO
18. Kent Kingsley - NO
20. Ray Hall - NO
21. Shane Tuck - NO
23. Daniel Jackson - NO
24. Mark Coughlan - NO- Injuries will cruel him, he was lacking a yard before the knees, a Great
Bloke and a player who gave us hope when he started, Great Respect for him but I cant see it.
25. Jay Schulz - NO
27. Andrew Krakouer - NO
31. Chris Hyde - NO
32. Greg Tivendale - NO
33. Brent Hartigan - NO
35. Matthew White - NO - Hes a goer could be a squad player in a good side but I have doubts that in a premiership side a coach would pick him in the final 22.
38. Luke McGuane - NO - I cant see it, hopefully Im wrong, but we need a bigger full back in Time.
40. Kelvin Moore - NO
43. Cameron Howat - NO
There are some others who escaped who were borderline like Meyer and afew others as well- they have been given the benefit of the doubt
Only 5 have survived your first installment Ramps 2 years later :clapping. Half of the 2nd one are still around.
Might be time for a 3rd installment ;D.
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He he he quite afew have taken the long boat to china since this started.
Some quick points:
JON has been a terrible disappointment for mine, I thought that kid could play, sadly it seems he cant and if he survives being delisted then he'll probably appear on the next list, Hughes has shown he can play but doesnt do it enough.
Foley is a star and is young enough to play in RFCs next premiership side.
Moore needs another 12 months like his last year before he gets taken of the list.
McGuane also needs to do more but he is also on the right track. A new list will be delivered in time, but not right now.
Its been interesting looking back at some of the names that have left, Id actually forgotten some of them lol.
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The first list there just shows how much obvious deadwood there was on our list. To cut half is still a lot on the second list but at least it's getting harder to pick out who is a certain delisting and some like Moore have been late developers.
JON should never have been taken at pick 8 and not because he's been a disappointment. You don't select 4/5-year project players (especially one who isn't even a KPP) with a top 10 pick. Leave them to late in the draft or the rookie list. Oh well we can't change that now except not make the same mistake in the future.
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A Tiger supporter rang up 3aw today naming 8 players named in the squad for tomorrow who weren't up to it and we should have got rid of them yet we've continued to persist with them for 3-4 years. Caro agreed and with Tony Shaw added a couple of more.
McGuane - Walls thought the supporter was harsh with Luke.
Polo
Jackson - Caro said the club loves what he adds to the club as an individual but he's never going to be more than a average footballer.
Schulz - Caro said we should have traded him last year.
Pattison
Tambling - Caro said the club has invested a lot of time for him.
King
White? - supporter put a question mark.
Caro then added:
McMahon
JON - called him a "dud"
Polak - won't play again
Cogs - one more injury and he'll retire
Shaw added all our 30+ guys as a sign our list will need rebuilding again. Caro said Joel will retire at the end of this year. The supporter said we're 3 years off finals (2011) and 6-7 years away from challenging.
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In 2003 Miller said we were 6-7 years away
Now people are saying we are 6 to 7 years away.
Unfortunantely those that know their footy have got a good case. Tony Shaw is just a knob mind you but anyway :sleep
Bowden Johnson Richo Brown Stafford when all these boys retire especially Richo and Simmonds they will leave gaping holes in our structure which unfortunantely we have not got the players or the players have not developed enough to suggest this. Add in all the draft concessions GC17 and WS18 over the next 5 or so years and the hope for a premiership even for the youngest players on our list has diminished further. As evidenced in the first two weeks we have gaping deficiencies everywhere and the gap is not closing.
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In 2003 Miller said we were 6-7 years away
Now people are saying we are 6 to 7 years away.
Don't make the foolish mistake of including "Tony Shaw" and "people" in that same sentence.
Unfortunantely those that know their footy have got a good case. Tony Shaw is just a knob mind you but anyway :sleep
Bowden Johnson Richo Brown Stafford when all these boys retire especially Richo and Simmonds they will leave gaping holes in our structure which unfortunantely we have not got the players or the players have not developed enough to suggest this. Add in all the draft concessions GC17 and WS18 over the next 5 or so years and the hope for a premiership even for the youngest players on our list has diminished further. As evidenced in the first two weeks we have gaping deficiencies everywhere and the gap is not closing.
Hmmm, Bowden is not first picked or regularly in our best any more, Johnson is out for at least half the season and most likely to retire at season's end, Richo is still one of our best, Brown is now spasmodic and not reliable week in/week out, Simmonds is indispensable and Stafford retired 2 years ago. Don't over-estimate the influence of this older group - we would only 'really miss' two of these - our team is already well down the path of rebuilding and is much, much better placed than the knee-jerk Chicken Little reactions after one game would have you believe. To quote you - "as evidenced in the first two weeks" - I contend that "as evidenced in the first week" - EVERY SINGLE PLAYER WAS GUILTY OF LACKING THE GAMEDAY ATTITUDE AND COMMITTMENT REQUIRED OF AN AFL TEAM - and that we have not seen enough of the 2009 team to give credence or more than a passing glance to comments such as those made by that little twerp Tony Shaw. The team that played in game 2 would have beaten the team that played in game 1 by 10 goals and last night's results point out the reality of how good the Carlton's are of this world.
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Bowden
King
Pettifer
McMahon
Polak
Silvester
I do not reckon Jackson will ever have a prem medal. :-\
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Our 23-28 y.o. group which should be the core to any team is still ordinary while we wait for those U23 to grow older, develop and gain the experience and hard bodies needed to be a successful team.
27: Pettifer (109 games), Tuck (93)
26: Coughlan (83), Newman (135)
25: McMahon (137), King (34), Moore (48)
24: Polak (106), Silvester# (-)
23: Schulz (69), Foley (72), Pattison (53), Raines (54)
Only Tucky, Newy, Moore and Foley are guaranteed best 22ers currently and none are A-graders.
While there's still no excuse for us not to make the finals in a comp where 50% of the sides each year can make it we still are a long way from being true contenders both on and off field. We won't get all our new facilities full operating until mid-2010 and the recruiting dept. is really only now catching in terms of resources compared to other clubs. The club has made strides but we really are only halfway through the job.
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In 2003 Miller said we were 6-7 years away
Now people are saying we are 6 to 7 years away.
Don't make the foolish mistake of including "Tony Shaw" and "people" in that same sentence.
Unfortunantely those that know their footy have got a good case. Tony Shaw is just a knob mind you but anyway :sleep
Bowden Johnson Richo Brown Stafford when all these boys retire especially Richo and Simmonds they will leave gaping holes in our structure which unfortunantely we have not got the players or the players have not developed enough to suggest this. Add in all the draft concessions GC17 and WS18 over the next 5 or so years and the hope for a premiership even for the youngest players on our list has diminished further. As evidenced in the first two weeks we have gaping deficiencies everywhere and the gap is not closing.
Hmmm, Bowden is not first picked or regularly in our best any more, Johnson is out for at least half the season and most likely to retire at season's end, Richo is still one of our best, Brown is now spasmodic and not reliable week in/week out, Simmonds is indispensable and Stafford retired 2 years ago. Don't over-estimate the influence of this older group - we would only 'really miss' two of these - our team is already well down the path of rebuilding and is much, much better placed than the knee-jerk Chicken Little reactions after one game would have you believe. To quote you - "as evidenced in the first two weeks" - I contend that "as evidenced in the first week" - EVERY SINGLE PLAYER WAS GUILTY OF LACKING THE GAMEDAY ATTITUDE AND COMMITTMENT REQUIRED OF AN AFL TEAM - and that we have not seen enough of the 2009 team to give credence or more than a passing glance to comments such as those made by that little twerp Tony Shaw. The team that played in game 2 would have beaten the team that played in game 1 by 10 goals and last night's results point out the reality of how good the Carlton's are of this world.
Thanks Smokey point taken, you do raise some valid points. :thumbsup
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Our 23-28 y.o. group which should be the core to any team is still ordinary while we wait for those U23 to grow older, develop and gain the experience and hard bodies needed to be a successful team.
27: Pettifer (109 games), Tuck (93)
26: Coughlan (83), Newman (135)
25: McMahon (137), King (34), Moore (48)
24: Polak (106), Silvester# (-)
23: Schulz (69), Foley (72), Pattison (53), Raines (54)
Only Tucky, Newy, Moore and Foley are guaranteed best 22ers currently and none are A-graders.
Makes depressing reading. Going to be a while yet..
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Thanks Smokey point taken, you do raise some valid points. :thumbsup
Cheers TB. And as Fishfinger just pointed out to me, I was probably a bit harsh in my judgement on Bowden and was probably guilty of mixing my forecast for the rest of the year instead of sticking to current reality. He has been in the best in 8 out of our past 12 games so right here today we would probably miss him more than I gave credit for.
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8 out of 13 now. :P
Far from our worst but not in the best, unless I suffer through a replay on TV and see it differently.
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Tony Shaw's list of gawners after the game yesterday.......
Edwards - goer but too small
Bowden - doesn't play with passion and desire
Polo
Jackson - turns it over
Schulz - non competitive
Hislop - from another club. Just another player who won't take you anywhere.
Tambling - non competitive
White
King - turns it over
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Tony Shaw's list of gawners after the game yesterday.......
Edwards - goer but too small
Bowden - doesn't play with passion and desire
Polo
Jackson - turns it over
Schulz - non competitive
Hislop - from another club. Just another player who won't take you anywhere.
Tambling - non competitive
White
King - turns it over
So Tony lists 2 of our best as "gawners" no wonder no one takes him seriously :wallywink
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Bachelor. X. X.
Rance.. X. X.
Conca. Cotchin. Grigg.
Newman. Riewoldt. SEwardd.
Vickery. X X
Maric. Deledio. Martin.
Tuck. X. X. X.
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Bachelor. X. X.
Rance.. X. X.
Conca. Cotchin. Grigg.
Newman. Riewoldt. SEwardd.
Vickery. X X
Maric. Deledio. Martin.
Tuck. X. X. X.
great bump for a thread first started 7 years ago lol ... :lol
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Bachelor. X. X.
Rance.. X. X.
Conca. Cotchin. Grigg.
Newman. Riewoldt. SEwardd.
Vickery. X X
Maric. Deledio. Martin.
Tuck. X. X. X.
great bump for a thread first started 7 years ago lol ... :lol
And 35 accounts ago for you
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Bachelor. X. X.
Rance.. X. X.
Conca. Cotchin. Grigg.
Newman. Riewoldt. SEwardd.
Vickery. X X
Maric. Deledio. Martin.
Tuck. X. X. X.
great bump for a thread first started 7 years ago lol ... :lol
And 35 accounts ago for you
Maybe but we aint won no premiership in the last 7 years so my posts were pretty spot on.
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Ramps - who would pencil in a Richmond premiership 21/22
Given our current list?
I'm not so sure about Mr. Grigg. apron reflection.
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Ramps - who would pencil in a Richmond premiership 21/22
Given our current list?
I'm not s sure about high apron reflection.
Havent thought about it but I imagine a fair amount of players necessary for us to win the flag are already at Punt Road. I would like us to somehow try and get 2 more A class players into the side as that would help us enormously IMHO.
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Ramps - who would pencil in a Richmond premiership 21/22
Given our current list?
I'm not s sure about high apron reflection.
Havent thought about it but I imagine a fair amount of players necessary for us to win the flag are already at Punt Road. I would like us to somehow try and get 2 more A class players into the side as that would help us enormously IMHO.
Vlaustin could be that one Ramps.
Would need Martin, Conca to step up also.
Add another quality ruckman we have the talks and the players in the right age group.
Just need to find the right 22-25 and settle.
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Tony Shaw's list of gawners after the game yesterday.......
Edwards - goer but too small
Bowden - doesn't play with passion and desire
Polo
Jackson - turns it over
Schulz - non competitive
Hislop - from another club. Just another player who won't take you anywhere.
Tambling - non competitive
White
King - turns it over
:whistle
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Tony Shaw's list of gawners after the game yesterday.......
Edwards - goer but too small
Bowden - doesn't play with passion and desire
Polo
Jackson - turns it over
Schulz - non competitive
Hislop - from another club. Just another player who won't take you anywhere.
Tambling - non competitive
White
King - turns it over
:whistle
Jackson does turn it over
King was playing in the backline then and was having regular brain farts
Edwards is small
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so does anyone want to do a current day not future richmond premiership players.
given the current state of the list id say we are a minimum 3 yrs away from a premiership.
i strongly believe we need a large over haul of the talls on the list. and we sure as hell need to find quality sml/med forwards not to mention we coukld do with 3 or 4 more good to high quality mids especially on the outside.
when i say overhaul of talls lets look.
astbury - no one can deny atm hes at best a 50/50 prospect. yes hes had injuries but he struggles to get a kick at coburg and for a 4th yr player that aint good.
chaplin - is 27 28 in feb. will he be playing in 3 yrs time. he does have issues with his body.
darrou - rookie has he done enough to be elevated off the rookie list i dont know.
derickx - just hasnt done enough and is likely to be cut this yr.
elton - only in yr 2 lets hope he develops into a decent player. could be nearing his best in 3 yrs time.
griffiths - see astbury.
grimes - can play but will he ever be injury free.
maric - 28yr old in jan. has chronic hip and groin probs a fair question is will he be around in 3 yrs time and if so will he be anywhere near his best.
mcbean - looks the most promising of all our talls in 3 yrs could be nearing optimum weight and size and capable of playing good footy at the level.
mcguane - should have been cut 5yrs ago is not afl standard.
mcintosh - skinny first yr player who shows promise there are no guarantees though.
rance - well i wont go there except to say i think we need to find a better defensive kpd. will he end up at wce.
riewoldt - will be 27 and in his prime if he doesnt end up at freo.
stephenson - well hes 31 and ordinary wont be there.
vickery - if he makes it will be 26 in 3 yrs time and in his prime. imo the most over rated tall on the list.
it is totally reasonable to say theres a good chance that 8 of the 15 talls we have wont be there in 3 yrs time.
it was an urgent issue 5 yrs ago its even more urgent now. we must address this if premierships are indeed the aim.
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it was an urgent issue 5 yrs ago its even more urgent now. we must address this if premierships are indeed the aim.
Meh, I dunno, maybe they are hoping to sneak into the finals this year, get flogged in the first round and then commence a slide back down the ladder
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it was an urgent issue 5 yrs ago its even more urgent now. we must address this if premierships are indeed the aim.
Meh, I dunno, maybe they are hoping to sneak into the finals this year, get flogged in the first round and then commence a slide back down the ladder
do the simple exercise of
no riewoldt who holds the forward line together. whos the next best vickery bloody hell in an ideal world he would be at coburg earning a game.and im still asking is he a genuine forward or just a soft ruckman resting there.
no chaplain who holds defense together. rance the man who cant defend one on one. should be playing third tall at best.
no maric who plays first ruck. orren stephenson bloody hell.what young ruckman is coming thru mcbean well hes a forward id say.
have a good look and you will see an absolute chasm between these three and the next best we have. the simple truth is we cant replace em and there is little to suggest those coming thru will be decent players.in fact the younger blokes coming thru have underperformed.
the cupboard is almost bare when it comes to talls.
i still say god help us if we cop a bad run of injury and we havent had one for yrs.
for as long as i can remember our tall depth and quality has been in this state.
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we are a 1/15 chance for the flag this year
chaplin and newman still got a couple years left potentially :shh
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Chaplin at least 2 years IMO maybe 3. Newman at least 1 more on current form.
I say it all the time. We need a power forward. Not some 200cm/95kg beanpole with a 32" waist IE Vickery. He's a 3rd tall IMO. Need a genuine power forward. Somebody 190-195cm/100+ kg and a fat ass like 38" waist who just pushes bunnies off and smashes KPD's for brunch. Riewoldt can stay if he's not too selfish on the coin.
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I reckon Vickery will have a chance of being the no 1 ruck in 3 years time and he may do better their than half forward. Age 26 body fully developed.
Anyway thats just my guess.
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Well I named 12 names in the list, 2 I know can play in Hughes and Oakley Nicholls- I know they can play because I followed sport as a kid watching both AFL and Soccer, and watching lots of junior games in both, and I know I dont need folders full of crap to tell me who can sort of play and who cant but anyway...Hughes and Oakley-Nicholls can play.
I'm glad your soccer viewing helped you come to the conclusion that JON and Hughes could play :lol
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bahahaha onya ramps ;D
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Cant be right all the time but I have to admit I was doing some of my finest work in here in 2006 ;D
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Cant be right all the time but I have to admit I was doing some of my finest work in here in 2006 ;D
:lol
Hindsight - scene of some of my best work too Ramps!
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Hunt - IMHO we look very slow. Pretty much need his pace
Chaplin. Probably. Played his best game but is old and rubbish
Grigg. Should trade while stock high.
Houli. My fav. Muslim but ideally would be back up
Hampson. I'm not solid
Maric. Winding down?
Lloyd. I'm not sure
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Newman. How many too 8 side would he get a gig at
Foley. Gone I suspect
Petterd. Hopefully goes too
Bachelor very 50/50 type
Aarnot. Doesn't get a go
Dea. Postman pat
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the football that is being played by RFC in 2015 is a long way infront and way more sustainable than that was happening some years ago. Richmond needs to keep adding to the quality of the team and the depth to the squad. We are closer than at any stage since the early 1980s.
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the football that is being played by RFC in 2015 is a long way infront and way more sustainable than that was happening some years ago. Richmond needs to keep adding to the quality of the team and the depth to the squad. We are closer than at any stage since the early 1980s.
Big trade and draft periods xomming up need to nail it