Ramps' not future Richmond premiership players

[mightytiges]

I think that our problem is that we have too many FRONT RUNNERS

Too many that NEVER play well in a losing team.

My Front Runners:

Joel Bowden
Patrick Bowden
Ray Hall
Shane Tuck
Greg Tivendale
David Rodan
Mark Chaffey

I am sure that there are others from todays game that i missed but i am not thinking straight after watching that crap.

Sadly most of those aren't up to top 4 AFL standard so I wouldn't call them frontrunners; just not good enough. Joel is up to it but he's no KPP. Opposition sides have worked out to place their best or second best forward on him and then play through him so Joel is not only outmatched size wise but he can't run off either.

We are still paying for Spud recruiting no key defenders in his 5 years. We still rely almost entirely on roughly 30 year olds like Gas and Kellaway. The loss of Thursty was a major blow as we have no other youngster coming through that look good enough to replace them and play FB or CHB.

You could say many Saints are frontrunner. Sheesh we made some ordinary footballers look brilliant today  .

Speaking of Razor. Nearly every Tiger supporter that has rung up talkback has bagged the crap out of him. One called him the worst Richmond player of all time and they started to compare him Lounder, Honybun, Esler and those of the late 80s/early 90s. One said he told his Saint mate to put money on Gehrig kicking 10. He might be an average footballer but you can't point the blame at one player when the team gets flogged by 17 goals.

[Bulluss]

Razor doesnt do to bad across half back but when he gets caught one out close to goal he panicks a fair bit and doesnt react well.

There could be a spot for him in our team, but i dont think there is room for both Hall and Gaspar going forward.

One of them has to go.

[mightytiges]

One of them has to go.

Agree Bully but the problem in the long-term for us is the one who is 30 years old and a unreliable kick is showing the best form. Gas has rarely been beaten or had a bag kicked on him this year.

[Bulluss]

Dont disagree MT, Gas would be ok to stay on a small contract only problem is that him and Chubba are nearly finished.

We need to have a replacement program 

[mightytiges]

Yep, we need Gumby or Hansen in the draft .

[jimmy jess]

i think nathan foley is a great footballer and will b with richmond for quiet a few years 2 come he is such a tuff guy for the size of him and will have a dip even when there losing

[PuntRdRoar]

Yep, we need Gumby or Hansen in the draft .

Lachys doing his best for us, today he said he doesnt think hes in the top 5 players for the draft lol. And yes we do need both, sadly we wont get either the way things are working out.

As for White, hes not on the list at this stage coz as i said before, i wont burn a kid for no reason. To early to make a judgement for mine- positives include, pace and his want to run lines, negatives are decision making.

[mightytiges]

i think nathan foley is a great footballer and will b with richmond for quiet a few years 2 come he is such a tuff guy for the size of him and will have a dip even when there losing

Welcome aboard OER jimmy jess  .

Foley has been close to a rising star nomination over the past month but the side losing isn't doing him any favours. He should have got it for turning the game our way against Port.

[PuntRdRoar]

List stays in tact after todays effort. Tuck has to be traded at the end of this yaer and Krakouer as well. Have to give something to get something and this is the year to do it.

[mightytiges]

List stays in tact after todays effort. Tuck has to be traded at the end of this yaer and Krakouer as well. Have to give something to get something and this is the year to do it.

You could almost base who stays and goes on just today's game. The same olds kept making the same old mistakes.

[the_boy_jake]

Only 22 play in the Premiership...we can't have a list of 36 that are all gonna be best 22. Some squad players like Hall are needed.

Why? What upside does Hall have? He is a barely effective second tall defender and won't ever be much more than that. I'd rather see us pick up another Thursfield - who at least has some upside.

[PuntRdRoar]

Having the balls to make the tough decisions and getting up afew trades (even some) that the supporters wont like will determine how quick Plough gets success as Richmond coach. Its now or never for Plough and I hope he understands that in the end itll be the players or him if things dont work out and as we all know the coach gets it! Wallace is smart and for mine, he'll nail the players who cant play before they nail him. The next 2 months will say and determine a hell of alot about the RFC during the next decade.

[mightytiges]

Wallace was given a 5 year deal so he should be aware that tough long-term decisions are part of his coaching as any short-term pain from offloading someone won't cost him his job and won't be noticed by 2009. The gains from acting or failing to act will be though.

[wayne]

I know it's been a long, long time since we've been a consistent finals team, but I am happy at the moment. I am genuinely excited about the young guys, and can't wait to see what Polo, Lids, Blingers, Patto etc. are like in another 2 years. I honestly think Polo is something special.

Frawley never gave me any hope for the whole time he was there, with Wallace, I can see the rebuilding and I like what he is doing with the team. Essendon is going through a Frawley stage I reckon, they seem to be going nowhere, drafting players like Cole and Camporeale, not many real promising youngsters also.

Our youngsters have important roles in the team, whereas I look at the Hawks and their young guys seem to just think they are in the team temporarily and don't have much confidence.

[mightytiges]

I would say 21 are definitely safe. The rest are either tradable and/or not up to it.

Newman (although he won't be fully right until 2008).
Lids
Raines
Simmo
Browny
Joel
Richo
Polo
Pettifer
Johnson
Meyer
Cogs (knee makes him safe)
Schulz
Patto
JON
Blingers
Hughes
Thursfield
Casserly
Kellaway
Graham (rookie list)