One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Moi on July 11, 2006, 07:56:37 PM
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They don't seemed to get sucked in when it comes to the dirty stuff.
MT or anyone, how many players have we had up at the tribunal in the last couple of years compared to other clubs?
Glad they don't, because just lets the team down when we don't have the depth, but sometimes I would like to see someone we wouldn't miss (Staff lol) go out with a bit of glory and do something interesting ;)
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do something interesting ;)
I didn't think they let you do anything Interesting nowdays. Even the basic shirt front seems to be against the rules even though it is not.
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do something interesting ;)
I didn't think they let you do anything Interesting nowdays. Even the basic shirt front seems to be against the rules even though it is not.
More's the pity - the game is very sterile now.
Staff's used his big lumbering knees in funny ways and has moments of very effective clumsiness.
Don't have to be blatantly obvious like Lovett-Murray IMO to have an impact.
But then again, looking at guys like Andy Kellaway, and it's a different kind of toughness that is probably just as effective as going out and thumping someone, I guess.
Rainsey's showing some great signs as well and seems to be following in his footsteps :thumbsup
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Petts reprimand is the only one this year IIRC and that was a ridiculous report. Reported for spoiling ::).
Staff last year got 2 weeks for "jumper punching" Sydney's Jason Ball when they were both going at each other. Happens in nearly every game but they pinged him for it. The AFL were probably waiting to nail Staff after he got out of the Everitt incident. Razor got reported at Coburg last year too.
5AA on the weekend were commenting about how much more a disciplined side we are this year. Unlike past Tiger sides we no longer just cough up the footy all the time so easily. We now try to control the tempo of each game. It use to be so easy for the opposition to beat us as they would just wait back for us to turn over the footy and kick soft goals on the rebound. 3 of Port's 4 goals came from our turnovers early on but once we knuckled down they could only kick 3 more goals for the rest of the match.
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You haven't mozzed Joel have you Moi lol ;).
That "clip" with his spoiling arm didn't look too bad live and none of the Demons remonstrated with Joel. Hopefully he gets the all clear although some Tiger supporters near me might be glad not to see him for a week or two after last night ;D.
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Maybe disciplined maybe not, but when a kid gets attacked in a suss way ie. Johnstones knee into Deledio...I didnt see any retribution ... and for mine thats a concern. The game was up...we should have been looking for Johnstone in the last quarter and we didnt.
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Maybe disciplined maybe not, but when a kid gets attacked in a suss way ie. Johnstones knee into Deledio...I didnt see any retribution ... and for mine thats a concern. The game was up...we should have been looking for Johnstone in the last quarter and we didnt.
I saw that too Ramps. Gutless act by Johnstone.
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You haven't mozzed Joel have you Moi lol ;).
That "clip" with his spoiling arm didn't look too bad live and none of the Demons remonstrated with Joel. Hopefully he gets the all clear although some Tiger supporters near me might be glad not to see him for a week or two after last night ;D.
I doubt he will, he was going for the spoil.
Though it would have been good to see the Tigers go after Johnstone after he put his knees into Deledio.
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By the looks of Johnstones shnozz, i'd say plenty of guys have got even with him.
Bowdo should be ok, from the side on angle it looked like it brushed up and clipped Ward, there was no real force to it.
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By the looks of Johnstones shnozz, i'd say plenty of guys have got even with him.
Bowdo should be ok, from the side on angle it looked like it brushed up and clipped Ward, there was no real force to it.
Based on the most recent Match Review decisions - Joel will get 2 weeks :rollin
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From the AFL site:
Bowden, who has never missed a game through suspension, was charged with a level three striking offence on Melbourne's Daniel Ward but can accept a one match ban because of his clean record.
The incident was assessed as reckless conduct (two points), medium impact (two points), in play (no points) and high contact (two points) - equating to 225 points and a two match ban, which reduces to 168.75 points and a one-match sanction because of his record.
An early plea would reduce the penalty to 126.56 points and a one-match sanction.
http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=281677
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Joel might as well contest as he'll get one week if either he accepts the charge or if his appeal is rejected. He'd have to try and get the "reckless" charge downgraded.
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May as well have just hit him in the nuts - get one for that as well :banghead
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May as well have just hit him in the nuts - get one for that as well :banghead
Well said Moi. Then again Joel should have just slammed his knees into Ward's back and he wouldn't have a case to answer :banghead.
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I don't understand the new tribunal system, it's as inconsistent as Freo...
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Bowden to take on tribunal
foxsports.com.au
July 17, 2006
KEY Richmond defender Joel Bowden is set to challenge a one-match striking ban at the AFL Tribunal tomorrow night in a bid to play in Saturday night's crucial clash with Sydney.
Bowden was charged with a level three striking offence after making contact with the head of Melbourne's Daniel Ward late in last Friday's match at the MCG.
Because of a five-year good record, the two-time Tigers best and fairest winner can have the penalty for the level three striking offence reduced from 225 to 168.75 points, which equates to a one-match ban.
As an early guilty plea would still result in Bowden spending one week on the sidelines, he has little to lose in taking his chances at the tribunal.
Bowden has again been a key member of ninth-placed Richmond's defence this year.
Because of its poor percentage, Richmond (8-7 win-loss record) probably needs to win five of its last seven matches to qualify for the finals, making Saturday night's clash against the slumping Swans (seventh; 8-7) vital for both clubs.
If Bowden is cleared to play in the match at the SCG, he will likely get the job on either Michael O'Loughlin or Ryan O'Keefe.
The 28-year-old has not missed a match for the Tigers since round six, 2004
http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,19820823-23211,00.html
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The Club's going to get Joel to plead guilty to negligent contact rather than reckless which would push his points tally below 100 points if successful enabling him to play this week.
What do you guys think ours/Joel's chances are tonight at the tribunal? Will the tribunal get tough after the criticism they copped last week over the Kerr incident or will they treat Joel's case independently as they should?
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Surely he has a good case to argue there.
I couldnt believe Mike Sheehan last night On the Couch claiming that the Bowden incident and the Mcphee on were worse than Kerr's punch at the "Plums"
I agree with McPhee but not Bowden's.
Mike said that Bowden should get atleast 2 wks. What a joke.
For the record Barry from Ballarat who is apparently the tribunal expert on SEN said Bowden will walk tonight. :thumbsup
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What a surprise Mike bagging Richmond ::).
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The Club's going to get Joel to plead guilty to negligent contact rather than reckless which would push his points tally below 100 points if successful enabling him to play this week.
What do you guys think ours/Joel's chances are tonight at the tribunal? Will the tribunal get tough after the criticism they copped last week over the Kerr incident or will they treat Joel's case independently as they should?
The way the tribunal is going at the moment - flip a coin............. heads he walks, tails he gets a week :gobdrop ;D :help
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Joel's appeal failed. He's out for a week :(.
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Joel's appeal failed. He's out for a week :(.
Bowden penalty stands
6:30:22 PM Tue 18 July, 2006
Jennifer Witham
Sportal for afl.com.au
The AFL Tribunal has rejected Joel Bowden's argument that his contact with Melbourne's Daniel Ward was negligent rather than reckless and of low impact rather than medium and, as a result, the one match penalty offered by the match review panel will stand.
Full article: http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=282013
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Negligent one week is reckless the next or is that what's reckless today is negligent tomorrow until it becomes low impact on Friday after which it is behind the play on Saturday :banghead :banghead ::) :help
I think the AFL is reckless in its running of the tribunal system that is flawed because it was established by a fool. And the Tribunal is clearly negligent in its duties because it put simply hasn't got a clue. :wallywink :wallywink
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Negligent one week is reckless the next or is that what's reckless today is negligent tomorrow until it becomes low impact on Friday after which it is behind the play on Saturday :banghead :banghead ::) :help
I think the AFL is reckless in its running of the tribunal system that is flawed because it was established by a fool. And the Tribunal is clearly negligent in its duties because it put simply hasn't got a clue. :wallywink :wallywink
If Freo or Port players did the same...they would be off... :banghead
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*shakes head* He should have just hit him in the balls, the way the tribunal's going, he would have got off.
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Tribunal outs Bowden for 1 game
Len Johnson
The Age
July 19, 2006
JOEL Bowden will miss Richmond's match against Sydney this week after the AFL Tribunal last night upheld the match review panel's assessment of a striking charge against Melbourne's Daniel Ward.
The Tigers were unsuccessful in arguing that the conduct and impact were of a lower category than the panel decided and also that Bowden's good character, unblemished record and desire to be a 300-game player for the Tigers with a clean record was not sufficient to constitute the exceptional and compelling circumstances required to impose a lesser penalty.
The panel — former players Emmett Dunne, Michael Sexton and David Pittman — deliberated for 10 minutes before finding that Bowden had been reckless, not negligent, in making contact with Ward and the impact, which left the Demon player with a cut that required five stitches, was medium, not low.
Asked what weight they gave the argument on character, Dunne told the chairman it was not "to the extent to sway us from the original findings".
Bowden was charged with striking Ward as the Melbourne player marked a kick-in late in the final quarter of the game.
His arm was straight, as if to spoil, but glancing contact between his thumb knuckle and Ward's left eyebrow inflicted a laceration that bled immediately.
Ward left the ground, but was told by the field umpire that he saw the contact as within the contest and not incurring a 50-metre penalty.
A fine for wrestling during a 1997 pre-season competition game is the only blemish on Bowden's career, which includes 206 games for Richmond and the past two best-and-fairest trophies. He was an All-Australian in 2005, is a vice-president of the AFL Players Association and has been nominated by the Tigers for an AFL Community Award for his voluntary work with homeless children and within the indigenous community.
Bowden was "a man of great character and integrity", former Richmond player Mervyn Keane told the tribunal, and a footballer who had "demonstrated a great sense of fair play".
Bowden's advocate, Michael Tovey, also submitted that the tribunal should regard his status as a positive community role model as "exceptional and compelling circumstances".
He said the Tigers were nominating Bowden for the AFL's community award, as he dedicated regular time to working with underprivileged children and, together with Collingwood's Paul Licuria, was establishing an AFL player group to help the drug-addicted and homeless.
But the panel accepted tribunal legal counsel Will Houghton's contention that there were "abundant reasons" to agree with the review panel's assessment and, despite the significant time it took considering Richmond's submissions, decided not to use its discretion to vary the penalty.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2006/07/18/1153166383536.html
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Headbutting or punching someone in the crown jewels is only a one week offence ???. Zizou should've played AFL ::).
Brad Green for headbutting gets his penalty reduced by 142.19 points for pleading gulity and taking an early plea while Joel for a late clip in a spoiling contest got his penalty reduced by only 56.25 if he pleaded guilty and took an early plea. What a farce! I know it's to do with percentages but where's the justice in that ::). Joel might as well whacked Ward properly as the worse the crime the more the AFL tribunal rewards you with a discount :banghead.
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Simon Goodwin getting off for tripping - interstate teams have done well in getting off or gettin their sentence reduced lately ::)
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Simon Goodwin getting off for tripping - interstate teams have done well in getting off or gettin their sentence reduced lately ::)
The commentators got him off by saying during the game they couldn't see contact. No one wants to cost Goodwin a Brownlow.
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Well this has gone out the window in the past few weeks :-\.
Staff will probably get rubbed out purely because his history even though it was a clean hip and shoulder. Graeme Bond kept putting up Rainesy for a high fend off ??? on Harvey which David King reacted back to say steady on. They said the Simmo one near the end didn't look good either :(.
Coburg vs Bulldogs next week :help.
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Does Rainsey miss out on the Rising Star if he goes out? :'(
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Does Rainsey miss out on the Rising Star if he goes out? :'(
Yep.
Every round, an Australian Football League rising star nomination is given to a standout young player. To be eligible for the award, a player must be under 21 on January 1 of that year, have played 10 or less senior games and not been suspended during the season. At the end of the year, one of the 22 nominees is the winner of award.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFL_Rising_Star_award
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I haven't seen it - will he go?
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Last time i start a thread like this - just saw Staff and Simmo incidents - both gone
Sorry :banghead
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Yeah it's all your fault Moi :lol
I've only seen Staff's shirtfront. He'll go because of who his is and because the AFL is going overboard cracking down on bumps a la Jordan Lewis on Friday night ::). Staff shouldn't go as it was a legitimate bump within 5m of the ball and just part of the game. If you want to be harsh then Goddard left himself open.
All the commentators are saying Simmo is gone. Stupid act if that's the case just like Bowden's on Ward. Both late in the game when the game was long gone.
Hopefully Rainesy is safe. The only person who was complaining about it was Graeme Bond ::).
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Tribunal and certain media personnel don't like Staff either so they'll be gunning for him. Staff would only have to sneeze on his opponent and people would be yelling. Haven't seen the Simmo incident but cross fingers he won't be suspended. :pray
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Sports Tonight said the Staff, Simmo and Saint Steven Baker's (jumper punch on Staff) incidents will be looked at. So Rainesy may be safe.
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LOL @ the mayhem and mozzing since this thread was harmlessly started. Joel, Simmo, Raines, Staff, Pettifer and Hall all reported :wallywink..
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Well we were the most disciplined... until someone started this thread :lol
Now I don't want to be pointing fingers but... Moi you got some explaining to do :P
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Well we were the most disciplined... until someone started this thread :lol
Now I don't want to be pointing fingers but... Moi you got some explaining to do :P
Who Moi ?? :stupid
What's the chance Staff will go out in a blaze of glory this week?
And could ppl start a new thread if someone gets reported and let this one die a well-deserved death lol :banghead
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Well we were the most disciplined... until someone started this thread :lol
Now I don't want to be pointing fingers but... Moi you got some explaining to do :P
Who Moi ?? :stupid
What's the chance Staff will go out in a blaze of glory this week?
And could ppl start a new thread if someone gets reported and let this one die a well-deserved death lol :banghead
I hope Staff does pull a Lynch this weekend, as long as none of the other boys get involved :P Maybe Chaff, but that's it ;)
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What's the chance Staff will go out in a blaze of glory this week?
I don't reckon he'll go out swinging Mal Brown and Balmey style but I think he will go full boar at every contest and make sure any Eagle nearby is aware of his presence ;). Some Weagles might end up feeling a bit sore going into the finals.