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Title: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: one-eyed on July 24, 2007, 02:58:29 AM
In the Age today, Walls suggests Carlton should get rid of all their older players at the end of the year like Fev, Whitnall, Lappin and Kouta.

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/blues-need-a-new-broom-to-sweep-clean-and-an-axe-for-three-veterans/2007/07/23/1185043038562.html

There's a couple of regulars on OER who say we should do the same thing with our older players. Blight did a similar thing when he took over as coach of the Crows with a more experienced list. He delisted the captain McDermott, vice-captain McGuiness and fan favourite Andrew Jarman to make a point of a new era beginning.

With no or little middle age-bracket tier the payoff would be we'd have to throw the kids to the wolves if we did this.

Peoples' thoughts - Yeah or Neah?

Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: cub on July 24, 2007, 03:08:00 AM
Kids to wolves - we r not in the position of other teams.
Wait until end of next season at least - then chop chop.
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: Moi on July 24, 2007, 05:29:35 AM
We could do that, but then when the kids aren't winning the next year Wallace will be blamed for getting rid of them.
And if we keep them it will be Wallace's fault as well lol
And then when these lazy bastards get picked up by another club and they decide to pull their finger out and play well it will be Wallace's fault, not the lazy has been's.

Quite realisticaly, what have the senior players added this year that you wouldn't say see ya later?
Nothing!

They won't get rid of all of them, for the above reasons, but hopefully will see the end of some, starting with the captain.
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: {X} on July 24, 2007, 06:07:22 AM
chop them, get ris d of them.

next yr guys like foley raines lids bling patto polak petts etc become our mid reange experienced players, brown and snake our only older players to stay as captain, and vc respectively, deledio dvc.

we would be far better off

we dont need all the otehr oklder duds, even richo!

richo, joel, sugar, tivs , tuck, KK  should all be shown the door
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: Gordon Bennett on July 24, 2007, 10:19:45 AM
If you mean Gaspar, Hall, Kingsley and Knobel...then I'd say "yes". We're short enough on experience as it is, don't make it any worse.
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: FooffooValve on July 24, 2007, 10:36:57 AM
Wouldn't be judging players on age so much as ability to play the game consistently at the highest level.
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: tigersalive on July 24, 2007, 10:44:33 AM
Yup, sweep those suckers out.

The culture must start from scratch instead of the example our older players set that possessions are the only thing you need, not accountability.

We also need arrogance.  Something that Connors, Jack and Edwards(game style, not mouth) all clearly represent.  They show hope.  :bow
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: Passionfruit on July 24, 2007, 10:53:18 AM
If you mean Gaspar, Hall, Kingsley and Knobel...then I'd say "yes". We're short enough on experience as it is, don't make it any worse.


Hall, Kingsley and Knoble arent the problem, they dont get a game anyway ::)

Honestly , who would you sweep out from the team that PLAYED on Sunday. ? 

Hyde ? Tiv ?  Petts ?
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: DallasCrane on July 24, 2007, 11:33:04 AM
Why does everyone want to get rid of Ray Hall? Do people think tall defenders grow on trees?

Who are we going to replace him with, Jason Cloke????
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: Passionfruit on July 24, 2007, 11:41:56 AM
Why does everyone want to get rid of Ray Hall? Do people think tall defenders grow on trees?

Who are we going to replace him with, Jason Cloke????


Good point although he is already been shown the door.
People have short memories. He actually played all right 2 years back.
And he has a bit of grunt in him beleive it or not.
Funny you say that Dallascrane, people love to bag players, was watching some all tapes from 2001 and everyone bagged Sziller. Can tell you if you know your footy, Sziller was one of the main reasons we got where we did that year. Sziller work at stoppages was fantastic.

As for Ray Hall, Ray did his job well when fit.
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: Moi on July 24, 2007, 11:59:38 AM
Ray was a guest speaker at the club on Sunday.
If he's been shown the door and hasn't been around the club, Jack, why was he there?
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: {X} on July 24, 2007, 01:29:32 PM
Ray was a guest speaker at the club on Sunday.
If he's been shown the door and hasn't been around the club, Jack, why was he there?
:ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: Passionfruit on July 24, 2007, 02:02:46 PM
Ray was a guest speaker at the club on Sunday.
If he's been shown the door and hasn't been around the club, Jack, why was he there?

As he is contracted. He wont play footy at the RFC again.
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: Passionfruit on July 24, 2007, 02:03:55 PM
Ray was a guest speaker at the club on Sunday.
If he's been shown the door and hasn't been around the club, Jack, why was he there?
:ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL


I cant work out why you think thats at all funny xXx
The guy is contracted, although he wont play again at RFC
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: torch on July 24, 2007, 02:53:45 PM
Chris Hyde ... 26 (2008) ... gone !!!

Greg Tivendale ... gone !!!

Ray Hall ... gone !!!

Kelvin Moore ... gone !!!

Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: blaisee on July 24, 2007, 03:30:45 PM
Why does everyone want to get rid of Ray Hall? Do people think tall defenders grow on trees?

Who are we going to replace him with, Jason Cloke????


Good point although he is already been shown the door.
People have short memories. He actually played all right 2 years back.
And he has a bit of grunt in him beleive it or not.
Funny you say that Dallascrane, people love to bag players, was watching some all tapes from 2001 and everyone bagged Sziller. Can tell you if you know your footy, Sziller was one of the main reasons we got where we did that year. Sziller work at stoppages was fantastic.

As for Ray Hall, Ray did his job well when fit.

true jack,

he won the player of the finals that year!
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: Beren on July 24, 2007, 05:10:19 PM
Get the best development coaches. Get the best recruiters. Get the best facilities and fitness tracking devices. Blues fans will continue to be patient, provided they see spirit, and everyone pulling in the same direction.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/blues-need-a-new-broom-to-sweep-clean-and-an-axe-for-three-veterans/2007/07/23/1185043038562.html

I liked this bit, and thought it applied to us as well. Reckon we are very patient this year considering the season we've had.
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: mightytiges on July 28, 2007, 11:38:17 PM
You feel like getting the broom out after games like tonight and I'm not talking about the last 40 minutes and the final score. When the game was still hot we blew so many scoring chances that should have put us at least level on the scoreboard. Forced us to catch-up all night even in the second quarter when we were more than just competitive. In the third quarter we had the first two shots at goal (Simmo and Richo) and both went OOTF  :scream. Kick 'em and we would only have been less than a kick behind. Miss both and the Swans run it up the other end and go bang bang bang game over. It kills team spirit when you miss gettable goals. Rips the heart out of those further upfield busting their guts to win the footy.
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: Tigermonk on July 28, 2007, 11:55:18 PM
You feel like getting the broom out after games like tonight and I'm not talking about the last 40 minutes and the final score. When the game was still hot we blew so many scoring chances that should have put us at least level on the scoreboard. Forced us to catch-up all night even in the second quarter when we were more than just competitive. In the third quarter we had the first two shots at goal (Simmo and Richo) and both went OOTF  :scream. Kick 'em and we would only have been less than a kick behind. Miss both and the Swans run it up the other end and go bang bang bang game over. It kills team spirit when you miss gettable goals. Rips the heart out of those further upfield busting their guts to win the footy.

sweep out the coach & coaching staff & fitness staff & bring in Sheeds with his wisdom on coaching young players
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: julzqld on July 29, 2007, 08:45:24 AM
In the third quarter we had the first two shots at goal (Simmo and Richo) and both went OOTF  :scream. Kick 'em and we would only have been less than a kick behind. Miss both and the Swans run it up the other end and go bang bang bang game over. It kills team spirit when you miss gettable goals. Rips the heart out of those further upfield busting their guts to win the footy.
If we were a confident team, we wouldn't have missed those shots.
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: Moi on July 29, 2007, 10:26:59 AM
In the third quarter we had the first two shots at goal (Simmo and Richo) and both went OOTF  :scream. Kick 'em and we would only have been less than a kick behind. Miss both and the Swans run it up the other end and go bang bang bang game over. It kills team spirit when you miss gettable goals. Rips the heart out of those further upfield busting their guts to win the footy.
If we were a confident team, we wouldn't have missed those shots.
If we had players that could kick we wouldn't have missed those shots.
You talk about confidence, what confidence would a team get if our senior players could kick straight?
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: retygas on July 29, 2007, 10:24:05 PM
From what I got to see on the idiot box which was all of a minute or so. So it really wasn't long, but I'm starting to think that it is time to rid ourselves of some of the lder players. And are some of the players playing for the jumper or the money. I don't know but it (what they showed) Tambling putting in no effort what so ever. I think he should be put back to VFL and stay there. Or even e delisted, even if he has resigned for 3 years, he's at best a VFL player.
I think that the jumper has lost some of what it's all about as I have seen no real passion to play for the jumper from some player so I think it's the money they are playing for.
 :gotigers

Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: {X} on July 30, 2007, 07:06:32 AM
tell ya what was funny to see! i big richo being continually outmuscled by a small bolton!

richo proved he has lost it, he is no long fit for this level, barry hall played a a smaller opponent too, and barry is playing injured but still had an impact,  richo must look at how barry keeps at it, 2nd, 3rd, 4th ....eforts always.

richo is a poor excuse now and shoudl hang up the boots, same goes for sugar, what a joke!
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: one-eyed on August 02, 2007, 03:06:18 AM
A big rumour on SEN late last night that Carlton want Whitnall, Lappin and Fev to join Kouta on the Blues past-players list at the end of the season. They want to off-load their older players and let the new coach start anew with the youngsters. Heath Scotland's name was also mentioned.
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: wayne on August 02, 2007, 08:53:20 AM
A big rumour on SEN late last night that Carlton want Whitnall, Lappin and Fev to join Kouta on the Blues past-players list at the end of the season. They want to off-load their older players and let the new coach start anew with the youngsters. Heath Scotland's name was also mentioned.
People are saying that the Blues are quite an attractive coaching prospect. You get rid of that experience, good or not, and they will be stuggling like us for a good while yet.
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: mjs on August 02, 2007, 01:28:55 PM
A big rumour on SEN late last night that Carlton want Whitnall, Lappin and Fev to join Kouta on the Blues past-players list at the end of the season. They want to off-load their older players and let the new coach start anew with the youngsters. Heath Scotland's name was also mentioned.

Heath Scotland is well worth his place in that side - we could have had him.
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: Passionfruit on August 02, 2007, 01:33:38 PM
we could of had Heath
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: mightytiges on August 04, 2007, 05:49:52 PM
Plough has said postgame that the seniors players must take control of the team. Asked if they were playing for their futures - Plough said nice try for a headline.





Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: Ramps on August 04, 2007, 05:53:41 PM
Plough should pump the senior players out of the joint. I said it a long time back in here ... either he will get rid of them or they will get rid of him. Ploughs time is running out...Id suggest he asks 6 or 7 of his supposed senior players to pack there bags and pee off before he gets shown the door.
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: Passionfruit on August 04, 2007, 05:58:12 PM
Ramps, it will be the latter, the players will get rid of him ;)
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: Ox on August 04, 2007, 05:59:30 PM
Plough should pump the senior players out of the joint. I said it a long time back in here ... either he will get rid of them or they will get rid of him. Ploughs time is running out...Id suggest he asks 6 or 7 of his supposed senior players to pack there bags and pee off before he gets shown the door.

couldn't agree more Rampopolous
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: Ramps on August 04, 2007, 06:00:16 PM
And hopefully Jacko the new coach sacks those senior players when he gets there - if we do get a change in coach that is.
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: Ramps on August 04, 2007, 06:01:52 PM
Plough should pump the senior players out of the joint. I said it a long time back in here ... either he will get rid of them or they will get rid of him. Ploughs time is running out...Id suggest he asks 6 or 7 of his supposed senior players to pack there bags and pee off before he gets shown the door.

couldn't agree more Rampopolous

"The Faction" thanks you for your support lol.
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: Rodgerramjet on August 04, 2007, 06:06:00 PM
These are the ones that need to go

Hartigan
Hyde
Johnson
Kingsley
Knobel
McGuane
Meyer
Moore
Richardson
Shultz
Tivendale
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: Ramps on August 04, 2007, 06:06:59 PM
These are the ones that need to go

Hartigan
Hyde
Johnson
Kingsley
Knobel
McGuane
Meyer
Moore
Richardson
Shultz
Tivendale

Add J.Bowden,

Meyer for mine stays for another 12 months.
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: Rodgerramjet on August 04, 2007, 06:08:28 PM
These are the ones that need to go

Hartigan
Hyde
Johnson
Kingsley
Knobel
McGuane
Meyer
Moore
Richardson
Shultz
Tivendale

Meyer and Shultz way may be able to trade for.

The rest should be just booted.
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: bluey_21 on August 04, 2007, 06:09:12 PM
These are the ones that need to go

Hartigan
Hyde
Johnson
Kingsley
Knobel
McGuane
Meyer
Moore
Richardson
Shultz
Tivendale

Add J.Bowden,

Meyer for mine stays for another 12 months.

ditto

mcguane is worth holding on to at least for another year IMO
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on August 04, 2007, 06:13:26 PM
Plough should pump the senior players out of the joint. I said it a long time back in here ... either he will get rid of them or they will get rid of him. Ploughs time is running out...Id suggest he asks 6 or 7 of his supposed senior players to pack there bags and pee off before he gets shown the door.

Well Ramps it has been discussed on this forum before but if Terry is not prepared to make the harsh and real decisions on these mug players mentioned then he deserves all he gets.
Me thinks he would be happy for a pay out either way. He is not quitting regardless of the so called media exposure that may be over his head. I feel TW is lapping all of this up. A new coach won't help either as it will keep alot of those crap players on the list for another year.
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: {X} on August 04, 2007, 06:14:48 PM
this is what richmond need to do

1/ get rid of terry
2/ the assistant coaches and miller
3/ get rid of every player over 25 except brown amd simmonds
   - yes richo sugar joel tuck tiv  etc

4/ trade raines and newman

5/ get chris bond to coach us with sheedy on board with some capacity



* our senior players are all lazy fu cks! ppl who think richo works hard! bs, only when it suits him, never once did i see him chance or be accountable for scarlet when scarlet decided to go cross country running!  richo is in love with leading to the boundary and the wrong spots , he has an iq of 0, is a total dumb arse

joel bowden , lazy, does not execute the ball with anu desire to hit a target, set up poor tambling a few times today

sugar! shoot him, put him out of his misery

tuck, no point in getting the ball if u cant use it

raines , fo, hopeless, gees he is pathetic

tiv, ok, 2 goals , concussion, but still it was his job to get those goals cos delevery to him was perfect, but he is sh it and has nop place in our future

now, when u see tambling work so fricken hard today and not have skillful players get the ball to him properly its just effed1 sure he made a mistake here and there , but so what

now the positive

king was pretty good again today!

mguanegave nablett and bath

thurtsy can hold his head up

edwards ! watch out 4 him , as soon as he develops

connors , gonna be a gun! has balls grunt and skill unlike our senior players


foley, best and fairest, only mid with grunt and passion

deledio, much better effort than his last game v geelong, like tambling, worked hard 4 no reward, a few mistakes but so what! 1st game back from injury and wa spretty good


TERRY WALLACE CANNOT COACH! NO IFS, NO  BUTS, NO MAYBES!

WE STILL DONT HAVE A FUNCTIONING FWD LINE, WE STILL OVERUSE THE HANDBALL AND PUT PLAYERS UNDER TEH PUMP, WE STILL HAVE NO GAME PLAN, WE STILL HAVE NO LEADERS NOR DIRECTION, SKILL LEVEL IS NOT IMPROVING

TERRY WALLACE, TAKE A HIKE! ONLY ONE PERSON IN AUSTRALIAN TRUEL BELIEVES IN YOU! NOT UR KIDS, NOT UR WIFE, NOT UR BRO OR SIS, NOT UR MOTHER OR FATHER, JUST YOU! U ARE A SAD CASE TERRY!

Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: Rodgerramjet on August 04, 2007, 06:16:10 PM
These are the ones that need to go

Hartigan
Hyde
Johnson
Kingsley
Knobel
McGuane
Meyer
Moore
Richardson
Shultz
Tivendale

Add J.Bowden,

Meyer for mine stays for another 12 months.

ditto

mcguane is worth holding on to at least for another year IMO

McGuane is a broomstick
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: Passionfruit on August 04, 2007, 06:17:07 PM
Well said xXx :thumbsup
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: mightytiges on August 04, 2007, 06:21:12 PM
either he will get rid of them or they will get rid of him.[/b] Ploughs time is running out
With past coaches it's been the latter and allows the players off scot free. Some want to do the same again.




Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: {X} on August 04, 2007, 06:21:41 PM
Well said xXx :thumbsup

cheers jack, the truth often hurts , but terry needs to go, hard decisions need to be made, not just on our playing list but our coaches
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: JohnF on August 05, 2007, 03:45:08 AM
LMFAO@farrking off the older players as if the youngsters he wave are worth keeping.

How about we stuff off anyone over the age of 18?
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: retygas on August 05, 2007, 09:18:07 AM
Why not just swap the Coburg team with the Richmond team next week and see how things pan out it couldn't get worse could it.
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: wayne on August 05, 2007, 09:53:20 AM
LMFAO@farrking off the older players as if the youngsters he wave are worth keeping.

How about we stuff off anyone over the age of 18?

The same old senior players made the same old mistakes. Bowden in a foot race with Varcoe, Varcoe beats him, then 100 metres later is alone in the pocket with Bowden no-where to be seen. What kind of impression does that leave on young players. The commentators say, 'oh Bowden is 29' Harvey is 35 and you don't see stuff like that from him.

We don't want guys like this to be recognised as legends of the club.

Nice picture of Mathew Stokes also BTW  :thumbsup
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: {X} on August 05, 2007, 10:24:57 AM
LMFAO@farrking off the older players as if the youngsters he wave are worth keeping.

How about we stuff off anyone over the age of 18?

The same old senior players made the same old mistakes. Bowden in a foot race with Varcoe, Varcoe beats him, then 100 metres later is alone in the pocket with Bowden no-where to be seen. What kind of impression does that leave on young players. The commentators say, 'oh Bowden is 29' Harvey is 35 and you don't see stuff like that from him.

We don't want guys like this to be recognised as legends of the club.

Nice picture of Mathew Stokes also BTW  :thumbsup

totally agree
 all our senior players are selfish b.arstards  and should not even be recognised as champions, not even richo! not once did he chase or man up on scarlett when scarlett decided to run off and create a rebound link

sugar = joke
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: {X} on August 05, 2007, 10:27:21 AM
Why not just swap the Coburg team with the Richmond team next week and see how things pan out it couldn't get worse could it.

if we can swap coaches , this may work! but terry will destroy any list. to be a good coach you need to be a peoples man, not a self man. u ned to be loved and respected by all, not just yourself.

terry i hate to admit , is worse than what spud and kb were as coaches. kb had alot less money and list to work with than terry! terry just leave us alone
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: Tigertailz on August 05, 2007, 04:37:03 PM
Why not just swap the Coburg team with the Richmond team next week and see how things pan out it couldn't get worse could it.

if we can swap coaches , this may work! but terry will destroy any list. to be a good coach you need to be a peoples man, not a self man. u ned to be loved and respected by all, not just yourself.

terry i hate to admit , is worse than what spud and kb were as coaches. kb had alot less money and list to work with than terry! terry just leave us alone
At least we won more than one and half games in a season with spud and KB.
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: {X} on August 05, 2007, 08:01:15 PM
Why not just swap the Coburg team with the Richmond team next week and see how things pan out it couldn't get worse could it.

if we can swap coaches , this may work! but terry will destroy any list. to be a good coach you need to be a peoples man, not a self man. u ned to be loved and respected by all, not just yourself.

terry i hate to admit , is worse than what spud and kb were as coaches. kb had alot less money and list to work with than terry! terry just leave us alone
At least we won more than one and half games in a season with spud and KB.

does not say much about terry hey!
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: one-eyed on August 08, 2007, 02:31:31 AM
Pettifer defended senior players, including captain Kane Johnson, who collected just a handful of touches against Geelong.

"Our leadership group has been very good this year … our leaders are doing a great job. Kane Johnson has been great for all the guys from the first gamers to guys like Richo," he said.

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/terri-bracks-visits-tigerland/2007/08/07/1186252707503.html
Title: Re: Sweeping out the older players?
Post by: {X} on August 08, 2007, 07:07:33 AM
Pettifer defended senior players, including captain Kane Johnson, who collected just a handful of touches against Geelong.

"Our leadership group has been very good this year … our leaders are doing a great job. Kane Johnson has been great for all the guys from the first gamers to guys like Richo," he said.

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/terri-bracks-visits-tigerland/2007/08/07/1186252707503.html

add pettifer to the get rid of list