One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on October 13, 2007, 07:35:47 PM
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The next decision the club has to make is what delistings it will make before the end of the month.
How many and who do you all think we will delist?
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Hartigan
P Bowden
Krakouer
Hyde or Tivendale
I'd say that would be the extent of it considering
Gaspar Hall Knobel Kingsley already gone
Morton,McMahon already in
leaves us with our 4 picks in the national draft on Nov 24
1 or more in the preseason draft or any elevations off rookie lists
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Will be interesting to see what happens with the rookies.
King would be a certainty to get elevated, but as for Howat and Graham i am not sure. Both of them cant go back to the rookie list as they have been rookies for two years so its either elevation or they get the flick.
I would think getting McMahon will see the end of Howat, as for Graham its either him or Guy Richards.
I would take Gus.
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The AFL has changed the rules so rookies can remain for a 3rd year. This would be my option for Gus but I was told he, Kingy and Howat ??? were going to be promoted. I hope the club has had a rethink since.
In (9): McMahon (trade), Morton (trade), King (promoted), Graham (promoted), Howat (promoted), pick 2, pick 18, pick 51, PSD pick.
Out (9): Gas, Kingsley, Hall, Knobel (all retired)
Hartigan, Krakouer, Hyde, Meyer, P.Bowden (all delisted)
Joel replaces Gas on the veterans' list and 3 rookies to be added.
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at the very least have to see krak go, same with howat.
and for crying out loud can we please get rid of tivendale :banghead
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I can't see Tivs being delisted. Too many others ahead of him.
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As much as Tivvers has his detractors myself included.
I thought early in the year when we were put to the sword a little bit he
in particular was one of our better players. Overall he was serviceable
with the Melbourne win being his standout effort I thought. Perhaps on this evidence
we might see him get a 2 yr deal that might see his career out.
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I'd like to see 5 players go:
Hartigan- Injury prone, skill concerns.
Krakouer - Unfit, slow, finished.
Meyer - Skinny, lazy, low possession winner.
P Bowden - Injury concerns, redundant.
5th could be one of Howat, Hyde or Tivendale.
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Hyde would be my number delist followed closely by Harts.
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As much as Tivvers has his detractors myself included.
I thought early in the year when we were put to the sword a little bit he
in particular was one of our better players. Overall he was serviceable
with the Melbourne win being his standout effort I thought. Perhaps on this evidence
we might see him get a 2 yr deal that might see his career out.
See Tivs the same way HT74. Perhaps the only difference i would have is Tivs getting one-year deals over the next 2 years.
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Next week, Miller and Wallace will sit down to discuss potential delistings.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,22614666-23210,00.html
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Next week, Miller and Wallace will sit down to discuss potential delistings.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,22614666-23210,00.html
At least they do this right. Why any club says who they will delist before the trade week and before most of the PSD targets are signed or not signed has got me beat.
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Pretty sure that you can have rookies on for three years now.
Either way, Angus should get at least one more year. Same with Jake King.
Howat to go but that doesn't effect the main list.
Hartigan (injuries and brain function, slow down mate and think about what you will do next, no point being quick if you are stupid)
Possibly Hyde, P Bowden, Krak, Moore. Maybe some of those.
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Steven Wright (SEN with KB) said to watch this space in regards to delistings.
Something in the next 48 hours.
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SEN have the delistings...
Krakouer
Hartigan
P. Bowden
Gaspar (ret.)
Hall (ret.)
Kingsley (ret.)
Knobel (ret.)
King upgraded rookie to senior list
Graham upgraded rookie to senior list
Tas Clingan cut as well.
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Tas Clingan has been delisted as well. :-\
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RFC list changes
2:17 PM Mon 22 October, 2007
for richmondfc.com.au
As of today, Monday, October 22, the Richmond Football Club has made the following changes to its playing list for the 2008 season . . .
Senior list changes: Darren Gaspar (retired), Ray Hall (retired), Trent Knobel (retired), Kent Kingsley (retired), Andrew Krakouer (delisted), Brent Hartigan (delisted), Patrick Bowden (delisted).
Rookie list changes: Jake King (upgraded to senior list), Angus Graham (upgraded to senior list), Tas Clingan (delisted).
“The Club would like to thank all those players who are moving on, for their contributions at Tigerland, and we wish them all the best for the future,” said Richmond’s Director of Football Greg Miller.
“We’d also like to congratulate Jake and Angus on their promotion to the senior list.”
http://richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=52678
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Krak, Harts and Paddy all delisted is no surprise. Tas is a bit but only because he was a recruiter's choice out of nowhere. We should have rookied a young tall instead.
What's the go with Howat. Will he be a 3rd year rookie? ???
Danny is a very lucky boy.
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Danny is a very lucky boy.
He might not even sign with us?
There will be a couple more to go.
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Yep, must be more to come. No big shocks there though, the promotion of Gus might suggest we're not going to draft a mature ruck.
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Danny is a very lucky boy.
He might not even sign with us?
There will be a couple more to go.
Indeed. Danny could still walk.
We need to have 1 more player go to fulfil the minimum 3 draft choices assuming we are going to use our no. 1 PSD pick.
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according to stevie wright , on sen today , he implied meyer is really keen to have an injury fre pre season and be prime for next yr
wright said danny had a bad pre season and season with injury this yr and the way he spoke he sounded as if danny was going no where
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Danny can be a good player, the kid needs confidence, stick him at hbf for 12 months and see what he does, we let deledio do it easy for a while, why not try and do the same for a no 12 pick like Danny!
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Danny can be a good player, the kid needs confidence, stick him at hbf for 12 months and see what he does, we let deledio do it easy for a while, why not try and do the same for a no 12 pick like Danny!
has the tools to be a good player
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agree rampps
i wonder how joel will be effected by his bros dumping. will this have an ill effect on his form ?
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Danny can be a good player, the kid needs confidence, stick him at hbf for 12 months and see what he does, we let deledio do it easy for a while, why not try and do the same for a no 12 pick like Danny!
Agreed. I think forward pocket is the worst possible place to stick a guy that is not putting in enough effort, too easy to hide and not be exposed for lack of trying. I did start to see better efforts from him before he got injured again at Coburg.
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What's the go with Howat. Will he be a 3rd year rookie? ???
Just to answer my own question - from the stickied list thread, Howat will be too old to be a rookie next year so I'm guessing we are waiting to see what's available in the PSD before making a decision.
We have 36 senior listed players + 1 vet (Richo). Joel will be made a vet also so that then makes it 35 + 2 vets when satisfies the first list lodgement criteria on Oct 31.
So we now have 3 senior spots on our list open when means 3 picks - 2, 18 and either pick 51 or the PSD. That's not enough changes for where we are at IMO, so I think everyone is right to say more could go. At least one more.
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Danny can be a good player, the kid needs confidence, stick him at hbf for 12 months and see what he does, we let deledio do it easy for a while, why not try and do the same for a no 12 pick like Danny!
Agreed. I think forward pocket is the worst possible place to stick a guy that is not putting in enough effort, too easy to hide and not be exposed for lack of trying. I did start to see better efforts from him before he got injured again at Coburg.
Agree with everyone on Danny. Stick him either in the guts (inside midfielder) or on a HBF and make him work.
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What's the go with Howat. Will he be a 3rd year rookie? ???
Just to answer my own question - from the stickied list thread, Howat will be too old to be a rookie next year so I'm guessing we are waiting to see what's available in the PSD before making a decision.
Cant he spend his third year as the "mature rookie" if we keep him?
Would be silly imho but can we?
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You can only be a mature aged rookie if you haven't been on an AFL list before which is silly. Poor old Podsiadly missed out on being a mature rookie at the Dogs because years ago he was a rookie at the Bombers I think.
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You can only be a mature aged rookie if you haven't been on an AFL list before which is silly. Poor old Podsiadly missed out on being a mature rookie at the Dogs because years ago he was a rookie at the Bombers I think.
That's right jezza. It's a stupid rule as why deny giving any mature player a second chance at AFL.
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You can only be a mature aged rookie if you haven't been on an AFL list before which is silly. Poor old Podsiadly missed out on being a mature rookie at the Dogs because years ago he was a rookie at the Bombers I think.
Didn't we ask the AFL about Podsiadly last year and they ruled he didn't qualify??
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You can only be a mature aged rookie if you haven't been on an AFL list before which is silly. Poor old Podsiadly missed out on being a mature rookie at the Dogs because years ago he was a rookie at the Bombers I think.
Didn't we ask the AFL about Podsiadly last year and they ruled he didn't qualify??
Yep it was us. We wanted him.
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All clubs are required to have 3 picks in the National draft aren't they? So that means at the moment we've got picks 2, 18 and 51 and don't have a PSD pick unless someone else also gets cut.
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All clubs are required to have 3 picks in the National draft aren't they? So that means at the moment we've got picks 2, 18 and 51 and don't have a PSD pick unless someone else also gets cut.
It's interesting you mention that.
Weaver just said on BF he is confident all we need is three picks so it could be 0 ND, 3 PSD if we wanted . . . ??? ??? Just as long as its three picks.
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All clubs are required to have 3 picks in the National draft aren't they? So that means at the moment we've got picks 2, 18 and 51 and don't have a PSD pick unless someone else also gets cut.
It's interesting you mention that.
Weaver just said on BF he is confident all we need is three picks so it could be 0 ND, 3 PSD if we wanted . . . ??? ??? Just as long as its three picks.
I think it has to be 3 National draft picks.
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I think it has to be 3 National draft picks.
Yeah, they want kids coming into the system. Minimum 3 picks in the ND.
I've seen the rule before but don't know where. It's not in the CBA.
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This Wednesday is the deadline for the first list lodgement. Does anyone think we'll make any further delistings before then?
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apparently young crow darren pfeiffer has been delisted. The club should seriously look at trying to snare him and collard. collard through the national draft and pfeiffer in PSD. Although both are currently flanker types they have serious talent. Collard should of gone first round in last years super draft. Pfeiffer was actually a top 20 pick in 05.
Adding both to our list significantly increases the young talent we would have at punt road
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apparently young crow darren pfeiffer has been delisted. The club should seriously look at trying to snare him and collard. collard through the national draft and pfeiffer in PSD. Although both are currently flanker types they have serious talent. Collard should of gone first round in last years super draft. Pfeiffer was actually a top 20 pick in 05.
Adding both to our list significantly increases the young talent we would have at punt road
Pfeiffer will start training with us next week.
Likes the booze though, another one to iron out. :rollin
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another mistake in the making
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apparently young crow darren pfeiffer has been delisted. The club should seriously look at trying to snare him and collard. collard through the national draft and pfeiffer in PSD. Although both are currently flanker types they have serious talent. Collard should of gone first round in last years super draft. Pfeiffer was actually a top 20 pick in 05.
Adding both to our list significantly increases the young talent we would have at punt road
Pfeiffer will start training with us next week.
Likes the booze though, another one to iron out. :rollin
polak turned out fine :thumbsup
take him out of his comfort zone and we might see some changes
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means his had 2 years at Adelaide they got nothing from him so his delisted because his not at AFL standard
Adelaide had a badly wounded side for the last 2 seasons so if he cant make it in a wounded side he wont make it anywhere unless he puts the workrate up
wooden spoon material we must breed new talent ourselves
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means his had 2 years at Adelaide they got nothing from him so his delisted because his not at AFL standard
Adelaide had a badly wounded side for the last 2 seasons so if he cant make it in a wounded side he wont make it anywhere unless he puts the workrate up
wooden spoon material we must breed new talent ourselves
Thats why I say rookie TM. He gets a year to prove he can be on an AFL list.
If not, bye bye and no senior list used.
Not a fan of him being a PSD choice though.
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where does he originate from what State ???
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SA (Norwood).
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is he any good there fishy
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No idea. :D I only know where he was recruited from. He's a crowgroper.
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that solved that :thumbsup
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The same club as Clever and picked up in the same draft (2005).
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Clever's best friend apparently, is that a good or bad thing. ??? ???
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Cleve Hughes l heard of him back then but not this other lad
Cleve Hughes is tall & has a wonderful pair of hands & a booming kick yet one spot we fall down on the field is CHF we never use this position comming from the backline gee l could type all night where we breaking down
Cleve Hughes at CHF would be my first option & l would leave him there all year regardless
Wallace brings him into the team we see him mark strongly & kick booming goals & then drops him :banghead
then the lad goes backwards & where was he end of year in a winning GF reserves side was that planned to boost his confidence l would hope so
being mates with someone wont make any difference in any case it helps alot & you push harder & got someone to help push you cause they know your limit & makes it easier living away from family & home
if thats the case then l would sit with Tigersalive theory of giving him a go on the rookie list as s/he said it cant hurt & he is a top 20 pick from 2005 so he must offer something but my concern is his back injury he had
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Carl Peterson on shaky ground, what with the indescretion at the nightclub/pub which resulted in damaged arm, and his attitude problem.
Apparently might be able to redeem himself.
Lets hope he can get it together.
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spot on about cleve. for christs sake leave him at CHF or even FF for the whole year.
he can kick and mark no doubt about it.
why not dropping underperformes like our captain or rainesy. those types. ooh no wallace wont dare do that.
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spot on about cleve. for christs sake leave him at CHF or even FF for the whole year.
he can kick and mark no doubt about it.
why not dropping underperformes like our captain or rainesy. those types. ooh no wallace wont dare do that.
no one is doubting he can mark and kick, but what of his attitude.
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thats development then.
cant u see krak, cleve, meyer. it cant always be their attitude. wheres the training, wheres the development. clearly there is none and with dud assitant coaches i can see why. aside from mccrae the rest are hopeless
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thats development then.
cant u see krak, cleve, meyer. it cant always be their attitude. wheres the training, wheres the development. clearly there is none and with dud assitant coaches i can see why. aside from mccrae the rest are hopeless
well as a mate of David Kings i wouldnt say he is hopeless.
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I would say Brian Royal being a yes man of Terry's is bringing the rest of the coaching staff down making it difficult to express ideas or allow ideas to come to fruition. Royal needs to go.
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thats development then.
cant u see krak, cleve, meyer. it cant always be their attitude. wheres the training, wheres the development. clearly there is none and with dud assitant coaches i can see why. aside from mccrae the rest are hopeless
well as a mate of David Kings i wouldnt say he is hopeless.
i wasnt refferring to king especially but royal and rawlings. i dont rate rawlings im sorry if u all disagree
now tell me as a mate of kingy's what does he say about the club. problem areas and talent list. surely he has a opinion
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thats development then.
cant u see krak, cleve, meyer. it cant always be their attitude. wheres the training, wheres the development. clearly there is none and with dud assitant coaches i can see why. aside from mccrae the rest are hopeless
well as a mate of David Kings i wouldnt say he is hopeless.
i wasnt refferring to king especially but royal and rawlings. i dont rate rawlings im sorry if u all disagree
now tell me as a mate of kingy's what does he say about the club. problem areas and talent list. surely he has a opinion
whatever is said it is said in confidence, and im not about to betray that confidence.
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D-Day. The first list lodgement cut-off is 2pm today.
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Other clubs have made delistings but no news on Richmond making any further delistings.
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RICHMOND
Andrew Krakouer
Brent Hartigan
Patrick Bowden
Carl Peterson
Tas Clingan (rookie)
http://www.afl.com.au/Default.aspx?tabid=208&newsId=52893
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Looks like now we are all done. Leaves us with picks 2, 18, 51 and the PSD pick.
In (8 ): McMahon (trade), Morton (trade), King (promoted), Graham (promoted), pick 2, pick 18, pick 51, PSD pick.
Out (8 ): Gas, Kingsley, Hall, Knobel (all retired), Hartigan, Krakouer, P.Bowden, Peterson (all delisted)
Joel replaces Gas on the vet list.
Howat's status is still up in the air. Re-rookied or delisted ???
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Howat's status is still up in the air. Re-rookied or delisted ???
Just thinking about this a bit more - wasn't today the cut-off for decisions on rookies which would mean Cam is gone too(?).
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Howat's status is still up in the air. Re-rookied or delisted ???
Just thinking about this a bit more - wasn't today the cut-off for decisions on rookies which would mean Cam is gone too(?).
Yep. He's available to all clubs now, but we might re-rookie him if nothing better shows.
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Howat's status is still up in the air. Re-rookied or delisted ???
Just thinking about this a bit more - wasn't today the cut-off for decisions on rookies which would mean Cam is gone too(?).
Yep. He's available to all clubs now, but we might re-rookie him if nothing better shows.
Cheers tigersalive. We now have all 4 rookie spots available so there's room although I don't see any future for one-sided footballers these days.
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How is Howat available, he hasnt been delisted.
He was a rookie at the start of the year and even though he got promoted during the season he reverts back to a rookie at seasons end.
He wasnt elevated and wasnt delisted as other rookies were (i.e. Clingan) so that to me means he is still a rookie listed player.
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How is Howat available, he hasnt been delisted.
He was a rookie at the start of the year and even though he got promoted during the season he reverts back to a rookie at seasons end.
He wasnt elevated and wasnt delisted as other rookies were (i.e. Clingan) so that to me means he is still a rookie listed player.
Check the latest rookie club email (not allowed to post it). tigersalive is correct.
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How is Howat available, he hasnt been delisted.
He was a rookie at the start of the year and even though he got promoted during the season he reverts back to a rookie at seasons end.
He wasnt elevated and wasnt delisted as other rookies were (i.e. Clingan) so that to me means he is still a rookie listed player.
I know what you're getting at Bull but we are giving Howat the option to nominate for the ND and PSD to go to another club because we have decided that all we are willing to do is re-rookie him.
That's according to the RC newsletter, or what I could make of it.
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No worries, thanks for that.
Doubt anyone would pick him up.
He was disappointing this season, last year he would play straight up the guts and this season got the "Richmond bug" and went backwards, sideways etc.
Please read this Kingy.
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No worries, thanks for that.
Doubt anyone would pick him up.
He was disappointing this season, last year he would play straight up the guts and this season got the "Richmond bug" and went backwards, sideways etc.
Please read this Kingy.
Now its my turn to correct myself as I mis-read the newsletter and you're also on the money. We have delisted him to give him the option to nominate for the PSD and ND but are keen to re-rookie him if not picked.
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Second year Blues hit and hit hard at Punt Rd.
Just ask these blokes
Deledio
Raines
Brown broke his leg in 2nd season at Punt Rd in 2005
J Bowden shoulder 1997 after debuting 1996
Polo
P Bowden
Kingy please do not follow in their footsteps with loss of form or injury.
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Second year Blues hit and hit hard at Punt Rd.
Just ask these blokes
Raines
Polo
Hopefully Rainesy and Polo get their heads down over summer as both will be playing midfield IMO. McMahon looks set to take over Rainesy's HBF possie.
Howat, if he doesn't get picked up by someone else, seems to be once again our rookie insurance policy if one of our mids gets injured for the third year in a row.
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The big surprise at Punt Rd was the delisting of defender Cameron Howat who played 15 games this year.
Howat has been on the Tigers' rookie list for the past two years.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22682311%255E20322,00.html
DELETIONS:
Retired: Darren Gaspar (veteran – outside list), Ray Hall, Kent Kingsley, Trent Knobel
Delisted: Patrick Bowden, Brent Hartigan, Andrew Krakouer, Carl Peterson, Tas Clingan (rookie), Cam Howat (rookie)
http://www.afl.com.au/Default.aspx?tabid=208&newsId=52893
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i would rather of delisted Hyde for Howat ...
what was with Peterson ??? he was only there for 1 year ??? ... was his injury really bad ???
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i would rather of delisted Hyde for Howat ...
what was with Peterson ??? he was only there for 1 year ??? ... was his injury really bad ???
The injury was enough to end Carl's season and potentially his AFL career before it has even started. Hopefully his hand is okay.
I think Hyde will be under the pump next year but unlike Cam he at least runs through the corridor.
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The RFC website has finally updated the player page (well almost) and removed the delisted players.
http://richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/Players/Senior/tabid/7690/Default.aspx
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Any whispers as to whether or not any of the delisted group have been approached by other clubs in the lead up to PSD?
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Any whispers as to whether or not any of the delisted group have been approached by other clubs in the lead up to PSD?
There was a rumour on bomberblitz that they were interested in Krak
http://www.bomberblitz.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=37803
Another club might look at Howat late in the draft. If he slips through then he may remain a rookie with us.