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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on April 15, 2008, 08:54:48 PM
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West Coast in tatters
Mike Sheahan | April 15, 2008
Now there's a rumour that won't go away: Kerr wants to come to Melbourne to resume his association with former teammate and housemate Judd at Princes Park.
The rumour is gathering momentum. Carlton, predictably, is aware of it. So, too, Collingwood; maybe even Essendon.
While Kerr is contracted until after the 2009 season, players determined to go elsewhere have a healthy rate of success.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,23540583-19742,00.html
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Not for mine, hed cost to much in terms of draft picks OR players. Richmond should just go to the draft and get more kids.
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No thanks :nope :nope
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Nup - peanut
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Not for mine, hed cost to much in terms of draft picks OR players. Richmond should just go to the draft and get more kids.
I'd be amazed if it happened, but I think Judd came cheap at pick 2 and Kennedy. Provided you have pick one up your sleeve as well :banghead
Someone should tell him that Judd has a new flatmate.
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No way.
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Love to watch him but he's not right for us. Pass
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As Ramps said too expensive in terms of draft picks.
I'd be amazed if it happened, but I think Judd came cheap at pick 2 and Kennedy. Provided you have pick one up your sleeve as well :banghead
It cost the Blues two picks 3 & 20 plus Kennedy. The Eagles used them on Masten and Notte. I wonder if the AFL will interfere again during trade week if Kerr wants to move ::).
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Would definitely take him if the price was right.
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No :thumbsup breed our own to play our game style in the future.
we dont need any used players, they cant give us many years playing after thier body is battered from years of playing at the top.
Players burn out after many seasons & we would get nothing from kerr in a few years, we could be shunning a young kerr or judd out if we chased him & we need to keep fresh stock of KPP for years down the track
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As Ramps said too expensive in terms of draft picks.
I'd be amazed if it happened, but I think Judd came cheap at pick 2 and Kennedy. Provided you have pick one up your sleeve as well :banghead
It cost the Blues two picks 3 & 20 plus Kennedy. The Eagles used them on Masten and Notte. I wonder if the AFL will interfere again during trade week if Kerr wants to move ::).
Hmm - close ;D
Still a good deal though at 3, 20 and Kennedy - they will rebuild the club around it. Kerr not quite the same value off field.
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The Blues would be faced with a moral dilemma (or what would be a dilemma to other sides). Do we tank now to get the picks required to secure Kerr, or do we try and win and see where it takes us?
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The Blues would be faced with a moral dilemma (or what would be a dilemma to other sides). Do we tank now to get the picks required to secure Kerr, or do we try and win and see where it takes us?
Firstly, one must have ethics to face any dilemma of morality.
In all cases carlscum DONT qualify.
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He would be just what we need in terms of a player, adding more depth and quality to our shallow midfield. But he's too much of a twit and the price would be far too high.
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no! only 2 players i want from the eagles is cox and hunter
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no! only 2 players i want from the eagles is cox and hunter
Oh come on. Scott Selwood is the greatest player ever to grace the feild.
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Oh come on. Scott Selwood is the greatest player ever to grace the feild.
As terrific as Leon Cameron was for us when he crossed over, Mitch Hahn and Ryan Hargrave are still running around for the Dogs 5 years after Leon retired and will be playing against us on Sunday. It's a choice of short term gain vs long term gain.
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no! only 2 players i want from the eagles is cox and hunter
Cox definitely but I'd take Kerr over Hunter any day of the week.
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Oh come on. Scott Selwood is the greatest player ever to grace the feild.
As terrific as Leon Cameron was for us when he crossed over, Mitch Hahn and Ryan Hargrave are still running around for the Dogs 5 years after Leon retired and will be playing against us on Sunday. It's a choice of short term gain vs long term gain.
Bentleigh doesnt understand that unfortunately ::)
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They were talking about Kerr on 3aw just before. Caro seems convinced the word is Kerr wants out of the Eagles.
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Word out of WA is that Kerr wants a 5 year deal from the WCE.
RFC say - Neigh, nay, nay
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Word out of WA is that Kerr wants a 5 year deal from the WCE.
RFC say - Neigh, nay, nay
:gobdrop
Basically Kerr's given the Eagles a give me a reason to stay or I'm out of here ultimatum.
That beats the word that Fev wants a 4-year deal from Carlton.
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Until the culture over there in that team has changed I would say NO to any player who want out of there. And if it came to a Selwood boy I would take the Cats boy over the rest As i think he's the best of the bunch.
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Until the culture over there in that team has changed I would say NO to any player who want out of there. And if it came to a Selwood boy I would take the Cats boy over the rest As i think he's the best of the bunch.
I agree. And Joel Selwood was always the pick of them, even as juniors.
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If he was 23 now turning 24 next year youd have to seriously look at it, unfortunately hes 2 years beyond that. I dont think we should be chasing 26 year old midfielders. So it has to be a NO.
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And with hamstring ??????? marks, who knows what damage the excessive footy and party lifestyle has done. Sign him up for 5 years and the hammys go in the first year, or even after that, and supporters will be out for blood and fair enough too. Have I said no yet .....
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thats a negative for me.
id get more pleasure to watch the blues throw the kitchen sink at the eagles for Kerr, then watch them suffer for trading away high picks.
if he is going anywhere its the blues i just get that feeling in today's fevola article in the herald sun.
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Even if Kerr was 24 he would be too expensive. Judd cost Carlton picks 3, 20 and a young KPP in Kennedy which may come back to bite them. Kerr would probably cost around a similar amount in terms of picks/player(s). I can live with the fact we didn't cough up Cotchin, Rance and another player for Judd.
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Oh come on. Scott Selwood is the greatest player ever to grace the feild.
As terrific as Leon Cameron was for us when he crossed over, Mitch Hahn and Ryan Hargrave are still running around for the Dogs 5 years after Leon retired and will be playing against us on Sunday. It's a choice of short term gain vs long term gain.
Bentleigh doesnt understand that unfortunately ::)
Jordy BOG on the weekend mate.
Scott Selwood pick up 40 touches and 6 goals?
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jordy was in the votes for sure on the weekend, lets see if he backs it up this weekend.
to even compare scott sellwood and jordy shows how clueless you are. one has played 125 gamnes and the other just a few :thumbsup
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Even if Kerr was 24 he would be too expensive. Judd cost Carlton picks 3, 20 and a young KPP in Kennedy which may come back to bite them. Kerr would probably cost around a similar amount in terms of picks/player(s).
I'm a little surprised that no-one has put a Kerr for Fev trade on the table yet, although that horse has probably bolted.
Neigh, hoof, hoof.
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jordy was in the votes for sure on the weekend, lets see if he backs it up this weekend.
to even compare scott sellwood and jordy shows how clueless you are. one has played 125 gamnes and the other just a few :thumbsup
pffft. Yeah no one has compared Jordy vs pick#19.
:whistle
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Despite Kerr saying he is contracted and doesn't want to leave the Eagles, Hutchy was still adament on TFS that if the right deal came along then Kerr would be traded.
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Listening to the call between Freo and the dees today, Gossage made reference to the rumour.
he said he didn't realize how big a stir it copped with the tiger faithful and he said he stands by it..
big name will be revealed and to remember who you heard it first from..
Kerr??
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Our supporters are going ape droppings on the other sites lol.
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Listening to the call between Freo and the dees today, Gossage made reference to the rumour.
he said he didn't realize how big a stir it copped with the tiger faithful and he said he stands by it..
big name will be revealed and to remember who you heard it first from..
Kerr??
I'm sure Matty White would give him a warm welcome! We don't need a head case like Kerr at Richmond and I certainly wouldn't give the Eagles our first rounder for him. :nope
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Me neither tiga. Kerr will be 26 next year and the wear and tear on his body is starting to show as he is missing games. The height of stupidity for us to give up our first round pick for him given we are still a few years away from seriously challenging. The Herald-Sun linked us to Kerr in yesterday's paper. Let's hope it's all crap.
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matty white would not care if kerr came over, that stuff just happens .
anyway we would be crazy to not chase kerr, he still has 6 - 8 years left in him and is a freak player and wins the hard ball clearance. we got smashed in that area v the bombers and our midfield would love kerr in it.
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On what planet does a 26 year old inside midfielder have 6-8 years left in the game?
You'd be lucky to get half that
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I thought it was an off-feild sign up and if thats the case then there would be no way that it could be Kerr, as he's an on feild player.
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matty white would not care if kerr came over, that stuff just happens .
anyway we would be crazy to not chase kerr, he still has 6 - 8 years left in him and is a freak player and wins the hard ball clearance. we got smashed in that area v the bombers and our midfield would love kerr in it.
why is this idiot still here ????????????
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I thought it was an off-feild sign up and if thats the case then there would be no way that it could be Kerr, as he's an on feild player.
your right i think its off field, however i think we have been linked to Kerr through sunday's herald sun and thats why his name is brought up here
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On what planet does a 26 year old inside midfielder have 6-8 years left in the game?
You'd be lucky to get half that
since when does it say that a class athlete and player cannot play at 32,33, 34...?
32 year olds are not over the hill, look at richo , harvey..... matty white would not care if kerr came over, that stuff just happens .
anyway we would be crazy to not chase kerr, he still has 6 - 8 years left in him and is a freak player and wins the hard ball clearance. we got smashed in that area v the bombers and our midfield would love kerr in it.
why is this idiot still here ????????????
why are you still here, it is very common knowledge that when it comes to idiots, you are on top of the list, not just here but on bigfooty and everywhere where you post :wallywink
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On what planet does a 26 year old inside midfielder have 6-8 years left in the game?
You'd be lucky to get half that
since when does it say that a class athlete and player cannot play at 32,33, 34...?
32 year olds are not over the hill, look at richo , harvey..... matty white would not care if kerr came over, that stuff just happens .
anyway we would be crazy to not chase kerr, he still has 6 - 8 years left in him and is a freak player and wins the hard ball clearance. we got smashed in that area v the bombers and our midfield would love kerr in it.
why is this idiot still here ????????????
why are you still here, it is very common knowledge that when it comes to idiots, you are on top of the list, not just here but on bigfooty and everywhere where you post :wallywink
At least stop pretending you are female, that's just a little weird.
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On what planet does a 26 year old inside midfielder have 6-8 years left in the game?
You'd be lucky to get half that
since when does it say that a class athlete and player cannot play at 32,33, 34...?
32 year olds are not over the hill, look at richo , harvey.....
Any how many of them are inside midfielders who are already showing signs of injury like Kerr is. Can't compare them to kpps and outside mids. Plus Harvey is a freak of nature, that's not the standard.
How about Michael Voss, the best in the business, turned 31 at the end of his last year. Mark Ricciuto, he was finished as a midfielder and extended his career as a forward at 31 for only one year before his body gave in. Kane Johnson is a good example too, he's almost finished and he just turned 30. The toll they put on their body by being at the bottom of the pack every game shortens careers compared to other players. Just have a look at what it did to Coughlan.
Kerr is exactly this type, he's had a large workload for someone so young and it will take its toll, he'd be looking at retirement close to 2011 which is when we are meant to achieve the right balance on our list.
Seriously, get your head around it.
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i am what i am, what does my sex or gender have anything to with anyone. im sure many people on here do not disclose their gender or lie about
but i am all woman, if you don't like it, not my prob! :P
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kerr will be an assett for us, just like brown has been. get your head around that
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Brown may be a good player, but he hardly got us playing finals did he, trading picks away for players is exactly why we've been poo for so long. Are you a slow learner or something, the last 25 years prove nothing to you?
Getting Kerr would cost us AT MINIMUM our first and 2nd round pick, that would cost us two top kids (considering this year the top 25 is very strong) who can play for us for 10+ years, not half that and with a questionable level of commitment and off field behaviour.
Kerr will be washed up by the time the Tigers are genuine contenders, that is a FACT!
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from what i have heard this draft does not go deep and is not a superdraft. so what if we give up a 2nd round pick for kerr. there is no way in hell a 2nd round pick will even get half as good as kerr. this fascination with the draft is pathetic, not every kid in the draft becomes a star, most actually fail. kerr for a second round pick would be a win as he is worth a first round pick. what if we trade say a jon for kerr , dont think many would complain
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You're not very bright are you
Daniel Kerr is CONTRACTED to the Eagles for 2009, this means that we would need to find a trade that satisfies the Eagles to trade him.
In baby talk, this means that we would need to offer LOTS AND LOTS of EARLY picks, not a 2nd rounder like you think would do the job.
We would give up our entire draft position to get one player who would be gone by the time we are true contenders
If we finish around mid table then we'll get Picks 8-9 & 25ish, this gives us two of the Top 25 which are considered to be very good. It only thins out from there. This means that we will need to make 3 selections from the dregs that are left.
Great idea brainiac
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You're not very bright are you
Daniel Kerr is CONTRACTED to the Eagles for 2009, this means that we would need to find a trade that satisfies the Eagles to trade him.
In baby talk, this means that we would need to offer LOTS AND LOTS of EARLY picks, not a 2nd rounder like you think would do the job.
We would give up our entire draft position to get one player who would be gone by the time we are true contenders
If we finish around mid table then we'll get Picks 8-9 & 25ish, this gives us two of the Top 25 which are considered to be very good. It only thins out from there. This means that we will need to make 3 selections from the dregs that are left.
Great idea brainiac
you dont have to get insulting.
but since you are so intelligent, you will know that say kerr says to the wce, i want out and want to go to the rfc so trade. so trade week starts and kerr says i want to go or i quit and sit out footy all together. then the tigers say we will trade our 2 rnd pick for kerr and thats it, or trade jon . there is no reason why they wont accept one of those 2 trades if both parties want to separate.
and btw, from what i have heard, after pick 15, the draft is very weak. as miller said last week, this is no superdraft, its very thin and far from it.
so if you want to start insulting people and resort to that behaviour, call your mother
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From what I have heard we will offer our first round draft pick plus a second round pick we have obtained from trading Schulz to secure Kerr. I was very upset when I heard this but the more I think of it at 24 he would be worth a first round pick around 6 - 9.
Interesting trade period. Lots of teams will be looking for draft picks and be willing to off load players to get them.
Stripes
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From what I have heard we will offer our first round draft pick plus a second round pick we have obtained from trading Schulz to secure Kerr. I was very upset when I heard this but the more I think of it at 24 he would be worth a first round pick around 6 - 9.
Interesting trade period. Lots of teams will be looking for draft picks and be willing to off load players to get them.
Stripes
so kerr is only 24, so why are so many fools on here saying he is 26. :wallywink lets face facts, kerr is better than any player in this draft, he is worth pick 1.
i say chase him, he would be great for us. imagine deledio, cotchin, kerr, foley, tambling, edwards, tuck and a fit cogs rotating through our midfield. :gotigers
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From what I have heard we will offer our first round draft pick plus a second round pick we have obtained from trading Schulz to secure Kerr. I was very upset when I heard this but the more I think of it at 24 he would be worth a first round pick around 6 - 9.
Interesting trade period. Lots of teams will be looking for draft picks and be willing to off load players to get them.
Stripes
so kerr is only 24, so why are so many fools on here saying he is 26. :wallywink lets face facts, kerr is better than any player in this draft, he is worth pick 1.
i say chase him, he would be great for us. imagine deledio, cotchin, kerr, foley, tambling, edwards, tuck and a fit cogs rotating through our midfield. :gotigers
May 16, 1983 is his birth date so yeah he is only 25, just turned...
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so kerr is only 24, so why are so many fools on here saying he is 26.
Born 16th May 1983 - makes him 25.
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Kerr turns 26 in May 2009
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From what I have heard we will offer our first round draft pick plus a second round pick we have obtained from trading Schulz to secure Kerr. I was very upset when I heard this but the more I think of it at 24 he would be worth a first round pick around 6 - 9.
Interesting trade period. Lots of teams will be looking for draft picks and be willing to off load players to get them.
Stripes
Would like to know where you get you mail from, ????? As it is 98% right. 1st Round pick and Schultz and one other player :shh
Interesting that RFC leaks like a siv . Might just add I dont agree with getting Kerr either, we need SIZE in our team, not MIDGETS
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Ok lets settle this once and for all.
These are Kerrs particulars - straight from the Weagles site.
Looking at this he turns 26 on the 5th of May 2009
Height: 178 Weight: 77 DOB: 16-05-1983
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From what I have heard we will offer our first round draft pick plus a second round pick we have obtained from trading Schulz to secure Kerr. I was very upset when I heard this but the more I think of it at 24 he would be worth a first round pick around 6 - 9.
Interesting trade period. Lots of teams will be looking for draft picks and be willing to off load players to get them.
Stripes
Would like to know where you get you mail from, ????? As it is 98% right. 1st Round pick and Schultz and one other player :shh
Interesting that RFC leaks like a siv . Might just add I dont agree with getting Kerr either, we need SIZE in our team, not MIDGETS
unless there is another schulz running around, i wouldn't even put schulz and kerr in the same sentence, let alone as part of a trade deal.
schulz straight swap for dale kickett, thats about it
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From what I have heard we will offer our first round draft pick plus a second round pick we have obtained from trading Schulz to secure Kerr. I was very upset when I heard this but the more I think of it at 24 he would be worth a first round pick around 6 - 9.
Interesting trade period. Lots of teams will be looking for draft picks and be willing to off load players to get them.
Stripes
Would like to know where you get you mail from, ????? As it is 98% right. 1st Round pick and Schultz and one other player :shh
Interesting that RFC leaks like a siv . Might just add I dont agree with getting Kerr either, we need SIZE in our team, not MIDGETS
i think we will overpay for Kerr. hes worth a 1st rounder around pick 7 - 10 and Schulz (ontraded for a 2nd rounder). There is no need to include another player as well.
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you dont have to get insulting.
We'll you can't seem to grasp basic concepts so I'm going for shock, awe & embarass
but since you are so intelligent, you will know that say kerr says to the wce, i want out and want to go to the rfc so trade. so trade week starts and kerr says i want to go or i quit and sit out footy all together. then the tigers say we will trade our 2 rnd pick for kerr and thats it, or trade jon . there is no reason why they wont accept one of those 2 trades if both parties want to separate.
Seeing as I am so intelligent I can point out that you are living in a fantasy land. What player has ever, while under contract, threatened to sit out the game because they weren't traded away. You are pulling stuff out of places I dare not imagine.
and btw, from what i have heard, after pick 15, the draft is very weak. as miller said last week, this is no superdraft, its very thin and far from it.
That's just an excuse from lazy draft scouts who want a ready made excuse in case their picks don't pan out. If you commit to the draft being good then it puts pressure on you to make sure you get a bloody good player.
so if you want to start insulting people and resort to that behaviour, call your mother
I don't think you'd want that, she'd come up with far better insults for you than what I can
so kerr is only 24, so why are so many fools on here saying he is 26. :wallywink lets face facts, kerr is better than any player in this draft, he is worth pick 1.
i say chase him, he would be great for us. imagine deledio, cotchin, kerr, foley, tambling, edwards, tuck and a fit cogs rotating through our midfield. :gotigers
He'd be 26 next year which is the year he'd be playing for us, that's what matters
Of course you want him, you are clueless
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From what I have heard we will offer our first round draft pick plus a second round pick we have obtained from trading Schulz to secure Kerr. I was very upset when I heard this but the more I think of it at 24 he would be worth a first round pick around 6 - 9.
Interesting trade period. Lots of teams will be looking for draft picks and be willing to off load players to get them.
Stripes
Where did you get that mail from?
If we are ready to play finals next year (which I'm getting cautiously optimistic we will be) and that it will be first year of a decent run in the finals (4,5,6 years) then I am board with the following conditions:-
1. we still have a decent second round pick (Maybe get the Eagles priority second rounder for our first round and Schultz)
2. we do no other trades unless it is for more draft picks (another 2nd or 3rd rounder would be nice) - we still need at least 3 maybe 4 picks in this draft. There are plenty of good KPs in this draft.
If we are stupid enough to give up pick 19 for Jordy, maybe the EAgles are stupid enough to give up their 19 and Kerr for Schultz and our first 2 picks (probably pick 8 and 26).
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I think we are still in the hunt for Warnock which means that our 2nd rounder will disappear to freo. Thats why schulz is rumoured to be leaving for a 2nd rounder, its the 2nd rounder that the eagles want as well.
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If we give up our early picks for him i think i will finally give any hope of us ever having real success..
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With Richardson, Brown, Simmonds, Johnson coming to the end of there careers, I imagine that we have to chase some 24 to 26 yo big names in order to make sure that we dont fall backwards. Also it seems that our first pick will be 7 or 8. Thats not exactly an early pick. Last year we gave away 19 for McMahon. Kerr is a much better than player than McMahon. Kerr will also give more bite to our midfield. Cotchin, Deledio, Foley and Kerr. To be fair, i have to admit thats not bad when you look at it even when I personally believe that we should be bringing in kids.
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If we give up our early picks for him i think i will finally give any hope of us ever having real success..
I'm just not sure of the logic here. This guy has a couple of top 3 brownlow finishes under his belt a flag and a couple of AAs as well. People forget Nathan Brown had a less than angelic image at the Bulldogs - he has matured and I'm sure Daniel Kerr will as well.
Our club actually has a pretty good track record off field - really nothing too serious over the years - we could use this and back ourselves.
At worst Daniel Kerr would free up the likes of Foley, Lids and Cotchin by taking the oppositions best mid tag. At best, he could be part of genuine gun midfield team in the comp.
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If we give up our early picks for him i think i will finally give any hope of us ever having real success..
I'm just not sure of the logic here. This guy has a couple of top 3 brownlow finishes under his belt a flag and a couple of AAs as well. People forget Nathan Brown had a less than angelic image at the Bulldogs - he has matured and I'm sure Daniel Kerr will as well.
Our club actually has a pretty good track record off field - really nothing too serious over the years - we could use this and back ourselves.
At worst Daniel Kerr would free up the likes of Foley, Lids and Cotchin by taking the oppositions best mid tag. At best, he could be part of genuine gun midfield team in the comp.
Off field stuff hey, well lets just see shell we.
We wont mention Andrew Krakouer.
Or Kane Johnson.
Or Brad Ottens.
Or Jay Schulz.
Or Marty McGrath.
Or Royce Vardy.
Have I missed anyone ???
Nah, nothing too serious with above is there :banghead :banghead :banghead
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If we give up our early picks for him i think i will finally give any hope of us ever having real success..
I'm just not sure of the logic here. This guy has a couple of top 3 brownlow finishes under his belt a flag and a couple of AAs as well. People forget Nathan Brown had a less than angelic image at the Bulldogs - he has matured and I'm sure Daniel Kerr will as well.
Our club actually has a pretty good track record off field - really nothing too serious over the years - we could use this and back ourselves.
At worst Daniel Kerr would free up the likes of Foley, Lids and Cotchin by taking the oppositions best mid tag. At best, he could be part of genuine gun midfield team in the comp.
Off field stuff hey, well lets just see shell we.
We wont mention Andrew Krakouer.
Or Kane Johnson.
Or Brad Ottens.
Or Jay Schulz.
Or Marty McGrath.
Or Royce Vardy.
Have I missed anyone ???
Nah, nothing too serious with above is there :banghead :banghead :banghead
100% correct.
Others on here will find something wrong with those names you can bet on that jack
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Come off it, none of those compare to having your phone calls tapped as part of a police investigation on drug syndicates.
Perhaps Krakouer, but even that sounded like it had a bit more to it than a simply assault.
I hardly see how urinating in public or public drunkeness can be compared though, especially when Kerr is a repeat offender.
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Come off it, none of those compare to having your phone calls tapped as part of a police investigation on drug syndicates.
Perhaps Krakouer, but even that sounded like it had a bit more to it than a simply assault.
I hardly see how urinating in public or public drunkeness can be compared though, especially when Kerr is a repeat offender.
You are funny.
Krakouer ?- I think you should search the internet and have a read sunshine
Kane Johnson, nah peeing on a police station, nah thats not serious, ::)
Players driving over .05, nah thats just a walk in the park , especially when you sponsored by .05 Drink Drive ::)
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I didn't say they were non-issues, but they are minor compared to Kerr's repeat offences which include drugs and assault.
Urinating in public however is a serious non-issue and it deserved the slap on the wrist which he got, that's all. To compare it to Kerr is absurd.
I said Krak's was serious, but it was also reported that Krak was king hit by the bloke and the event where he got put in hospital was an arranged fight.
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I've split the Kerr rumour talk from the SEN mail thread and merged it with this existing Kerr thread as the SEN thread was about an upcoming off-field appointment. Carry on :cheers.
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I'm not going to disagree with you Jack re: the transgressions of those players but I also have to agree with Infamy's point. As I see it, anyone can make a 'minor' mistake that does not reflect too much on either the character of the person or the culture of the club. Both of these are important considerations when talking about the fibre of your team, that intangible thread that binds good teams together. Krakouer's was way over the line and as I would hope/expect from the club, he was dispatched as soon as the opportunity arose. Same with Marty McGrath and Carl Petersen, they were seen to be people that wouldn't fit with the culture the club was trying to build and were removed as soon as it was possible. The others were all minor, one-off issues that obviously didn't reveal a destabilising character flaw and the players that committed them were given the opportunity to let their football do the hiring and firing. When weighing up the merits of bringing a player into the club we now seem to place a lot of stock in the quality of the person and this can be seen by the types of draftees and continual references to their character from those inside the club. In my opinion Kerr represents a Krakouer, McGrath or Petersen, allbeit a much more accomplished footballer and that, coupled with the risk that his body is showing signs of early wear and tear, and may not survive a long career, is enough for me to say we don't want him or need him.
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If we give up our early picks for him i think i will finally give any hope of us ever having real success..
I'm just not sure of the logic here. This guy has a couple of top 3 brownlow finishes under his belt a flag and a couple of AAs as well. People forget Nathan Brown had a less than angelic image at the Bulldogs - he has matured and I'm sure Daniel Kerr will as well.
Our club actually has a pretty good track record off field - really nothing too serious over the years - we could use this and back ourselves.
At worst Daniel Kerr would free up the likes of Foley, Lids and Cotchin by taking the oppositions best mid tag. At best, he could be part of genuine gun midfield team in the comp.
Off field stuff hey, well lets just see shell we.
We wont mention Andrew Krakouer.
Or Kane Johnson.
Or Brad Ottens.
Or Jay Schulz.
Or Marty McGrath.
Or Royce Vardy.
Have I missed anyone ???
Nah, nothing too serious with above is there :banghead :banghead :banghead
You have no credibility when it comes to being critical because that is all you do. :shh
Maybe its too much of the old :banghead :banghead :banghead and your head has gone to mush
You normally throw these in :rollin and these :scream to make your point.
Its all a bit incoherent to me, maybe thats why were sacked from Richmond!!!
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You have no credibility when it comes to being critical because that is all you do. :shh
Maybe its too much of the old :banghead :banghead :banghead and your head has gone to mush
You normally throw these in :rollin and these :scream to make your point.
Its all a bit incoherent to me, maybe thats why were sacked from Richmond!!!
He wasn't sacked they just stopped paying him.
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From what I have heard we will offer our first round draft pick plus a second round pick we have obtained from trading Schulz to secure Kerr. I was very upset when I heard this but the more I think of it at 24 he would be worth a first round pick around 6 - 9.
Interesting trade period. Lots of teams will be looking for draft picks and be willing to off load players to get them.
Stripes
Would like to know where you get you mail from, ????? As it is 98% right. 1st Round pick and Schultz and one other player :shh
Interesting that RFC leaks like a siv . Might just add I dont agree with getting Kerr either, we need SIZE in our team, not MIDGETS
we are not interested in Kerr, and never will be.
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From what I have heard we will offer our first round draft pick plus a second round pick we have obtained from trading Schulz to secure Kerr. I was very upset when I heard this but the more I think of it at 24 he would be worth a first round pick around 6 - 9.
Interesting trade period. Lots of teams will be looking for draft picks and be willing to off load players to get them.
Stripes
Would like to know where you get you mail from, ????? As it is 98% right. 1st Round pick and Schultz and one other player :shh
Interesting that RFC leaks like a siv . Might just add I dont agree with getting Kerr either, we need SIZE in our team, not MIDGETS
we are not interested in Kerr, and never will be.
so says our expert friend from Centrelink Frankston.
find another forum your boring
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so says our expert friend from Centrelink Frankston.
find another forum your boring
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You have no credibility when it comes to being critical because that is all you do. :shh
Maybe its too much of the old :banghead :banghead :banghead and your head has gone to mush
You normally throw these in :rollin and these :scream to make your point.
Its all a bit incoherent to me, maybe thats why were sacked from Richmond!!!
He wasn't sacked they just stopped paying him.
Is that serious?
If so, that is actually pretty ordinary.
Maybe they should that with miller
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From what I have heard we will offer our first round draft pick plus a second round pick we have obtained from trading Schulz to secure Kerr. I was very upset when I heard this but the more I think of it at 24 he would be worth a first round pick around 6 - 9.
Interesting trade period. Lots of teams will be looking for draft picks and be willing to off load players to get them.
Stripes
Not having a go at you Stripes as you've only posted what you've heard but if we do that then we've effectively traded ourselves out of the last untampered draft for one player who'll be 26 when he'd start playing for us. That's how we ended up with the hole in our list in the first place. There are some good kids in this draft especially in the top 10 or so and mostly types we need who will play for us for the next decade. Rebuilding clubs should not give up early picks.
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From what I have heard we will offer our first round draft pick plus a second round pick we have obtained from trading Schulz to secure Kerr. I was very upset when I heard this but the more I think of it at 24 he would be worth a first round pick around 6 - 9.
Interesting trade period. Lots of teams will be looking for draft picks and be willing to off load players to get them.
Stripes
Not having a go at you Stripes as you've only posted what you've heard but if we do that then we've effectively traded ourselves out of the last untampered draft for one player who'll be 26 when he'd start playing for us. That's how we ended up with the hole in our list in the first place. There are some good kids in this draft especially in the top 10 or so and mostly types we need who will play for us for the next decade. Rebuilding clubs should not give up early picks.
You'd think so.
However, in 2011, our premiership year according to Wallace himself, Kerr will be 28 :lol
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The stupid thing is, Kerr was taken at Pick 18 back in 2000
The picks we'd give up for him are far better than that, so who's to say that with Francis Jackson & now Craig Cameron on board, that we can't get a better return on our first two picks than Daniel Kerr and theyd play for us for 10 years, not 4.
We offered Pick 2, 18 & 35 for Judd and instead we got Cotchin, Rance & Morton, I know which one I'd prefer every time and it isn't Judd.
Same goes for Kerr.
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:thumbsupC
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From what I have heard we will offer our first round draft pick plus a second round pick we have obtained from trading Schulz to secure Kerr. I was very upset when I heard this but the more I think of it at 24 he would be worth a first round pick around 6 - 9.
Interesting trade period. Lots of teams will be looking for draft picks and be willing to off load players to get them.
Stripes
Not having a go at you Stripes as you've only posted what you've heard but if we do that then we've effectively traded ourselves out of the last untampered draft for one player who'll be 26 when he'd start playing for us. That's how we ended up with the hole in our list in the first place. There are some good kids in this draft especially in the top 10 or so and mostly types we need who will play for us for the next decade. Rebuilding clubs should not give up early picks.
You'd think so.
However, in 2011, our premiership year according to Wallace himself, Kerr will be 28 :lol
LOL don't be a smartypants ;D
2011 is supposed to be when the list reaches a maturity to only start playing finals consistently and challenge. We need guys who are hitting their peak in 3-4 years time. Most mids start to slow down as they approach 30 from all those years of wear and tear. Just think of Sugar, Cambo and Knighter at the Tiges. The kid(s) we pick up this year early on in the draft especially will be into the 3rd year by 2011 and still have plenty of upside and years ahead of them.
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Not having a go at you Stripes as you've only posted what you've heard but if we do that then we've effectively traded ourselves out of the last untampered draft for one player who'll be 26 when he'd start playing for us. That's how we ended up with the hole in our list in the first place. There are some good kids in this draft especially in the top 10 or so and mostly types we need who will play for us for the next decade. Rebuilding clubs should not give up early picks.
I agree with you mightytiges, I was disappointed when I heard the rumour too as I believe the same way you do. From what its worth the rumour apparently came from Miller himself and why it wasn't definative it was certainly mentioned. I'm not one to make outlandish claims but this one rang true too me when I heard it which is why I was so annoyed when I first heard it.
I still think adding Kerr into the mix with Lids, Cotch, Foley, White and co. who is only four years Lids & Foley's senior and still has at least 5-7 years left in the bank could be a good thing. It's just what we would have to give up for him that worries me and is the sort of thing Miller unfortunately would do. Miller isn't in control of trading and drafting exclusively any longer so hope the trade doesn't eventuate or at least we still have a first round draft pick at the end of it.
Stripes
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Not having a go at you Stripes as you've only posted what you've heard but if we do that then we've effectively traded ourselves out of the last untampered draft for one player who'll be 26 when he'd start playing for us. That's how we ended up with the hole in our list in the first place. There are some good kids in this draft especially in the top 10 or so and mostly types we need who will play for us for the next decade. Rebuilding clubs should not give up early picks.
I agree with you mightytiges, I was disappointed when I heard the rumour too as I believe the same way you do. From what its worth the rumour apparently came from Miller himself and why it wasn't definative it was certainly mentioned. I'm not one to make outlandish claims but this one rang true too me when I heard it which is why I was so annoyed when I first heard it.
I still think adding Kerr into the mix with Lids, Cotch, Foley, White and co. who is only four years Lids & Foley's senior and still has at least 5-7 years left in the bank could be a good thing. It's just what we would have to give up for him that worries me and is the sort of thing Miller unfortunately would do. Miller isn't in control of trading and drafting exclusively any longer so hope the trade doesn't eventuate or at least we still have a first round draft pick at the end of it.
Stripes
Just lock Miller in a cardboard between September and November lol.
If we want Kerr it will cost our first round pick at least so as you say Stripes let's hope the trade doesn't eventuate. Keep the picks and leave the recruiting to Francis Jackson and Craig Cameron.
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Not having a go at you Stripes as you've only posted what you've heard but if we do that then we've effectively traded ourselves out of the last untampered draft for one player who'll be 26 when he'd start playing for us. That's how we ended up with the hole in our list in the first place. There are some good kids in this draft especially in the top 10 or so and mostly types we need who will play for us for the next decade. Rebuilding clubs should not give up early picks.
I agree with you mightytiges, I was disappointed when I heard the rumour too as I believe the same way you do. From what its worth the rumour apparently came from Miller himself and why it wasn't definative it was certainly mentioned. I'm not one to make outlandish claims but this one rang true too me when I heard it which is why I was so annoyed when I first heard it.
I still think adding Kerr into the mix with Lids, Cotch, Foley, White and co. who is only four years Lids & Foley's senior and still has at least 5-7 years left in the bank could be a good thing. It's just what we would have to give up for him that worries me and is the sort of thing Miller unfortunately would do. Miller isn't in control of trading and drafting exclusively any longer so hope the trade doesn't eventuate or at least we still have a first round draft pick at the end of it.
Stripes
Just lock Miller in a cardboard between September and November lol.
If we want Kerr it will cost our first round pick at least so as you say Stripes let's hope the trade doesn't eventuate. Keep the picks and leave the recruiting to Francis Jackson and Craig Cameron.
Not specifically on the subject of Kerr, but we cant claim to be in a development phase indefinetely. Sooner or later we'll start to prioritise trades for other clubs players than early picks. Thats the only game Miller knows and I dont think Wallace disapproves either.
When you've got a 5 year contract, project players and recruiting young talent is a no brainer. When you're into your last year of your contract, the temptation to go after a Kerr is much higher.
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kerr would be a great pick up if we where in the top 4,and needed a midfielder to get us closer to the cup.
but he doesnt meet our criteria for age ,and also we have a similar type of player in foley ,we need attacking midfielders .
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Not having a go at you Stripes as you've only posted what you've heard but if we do that then we've effectively traded ourselves out of the last untampered draft for one player who'll be 26 when he'd start playing for us. That's how we ended up with the hole in our list in the first place. There are some good kids in this draft especially in the top 10 or so and mostly types we need who will play for us for the next decade. Rebuilding clubs should not give up early picks.
I agree with you mightytiges, I was disappointed when I heard the rumour too as I believe the same way you do. From what its worth the rumour apparently came from Miller himself and why it wasn't definative it was certainly mentioned. I'm not one to make outlandish claims but this one rang true too me when I heard it which is why I was so annoyed when I first heard it.
I still think adding Kerr into the mix with Lids, Cotch, Foley, White and co. who is only four years Lids & Foley's senior and still has at least 5-7 years left in the bank could be a good thing. It's just what we would have to give up for him that worries me and is the sort of thing Miller unfortunately would do. Miller isn't in control of trading and drafting exclusively any longer so hope the trade doesn't eventuate or at least we still have a first round draft pick at the end of it.
Stripes
Just lock Miller in a cardboard between September and November lol.
If we want Kerr it will cost our first round pick at least so as you say Stripes let's hope the trade doesn't eventuate. Keep the picks and leave the recruiting to Francis Jackson and Craig Cameron.
Not specifically on the subject of Kerr, but we cant claim to be in a development phase indefinetely. Sooner or later we'll start to prioritise trades for other clubs players than early picks. Thats the only game Miller knows and I dont think Wallace disapproves either.
When you've got a 5 year contract, project players and recruiting young talent is a no brainer. When you're into your last year of your contract, the temptation to go after a Kerr is much higher.
Agree 1980 that we can't be in a development phase forever but when Wallace and co. have publicly talked up the fact the list won't start to mature fully until 2011 when the like of Lids, Foley, etc are in the their mid 20s, that we won't trade for players over 24, and that we won't trade out of the first round, then Kerr shouldn't be in the target zone come trade week.
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Eagles would want 2 first round draft picks for Kerr
Kerr's man talks to six Vic clubs
Brent Diamond | August 17, 2008
WEST Coast midfielder Daniel Kerr's management has given the strongest indication yet that the 155-game premiership player is seeking to move to Victoria next season.
The Sunday Age understands that Kerr's manager, Colin Young, has already spoken informally with up to six Victorian clubs, including Carlton.
Speculation that Kerr wants out of West Coast has been strongly denied by both the West Coast Eagles and Kerr, with the club saying it would demand at least two first-round draft picks for its best midfielder.
However, Young said he was expecting a flurry of offers come the October trade period.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/kerrs-man-talks-to-six-vic-clubs/2008/08/16/1218307322856.html
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He's not worth what we'd have to give up
And not worth the criticism from those who say get him and then bag the club for not going with the youth policy ::)
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Eagles would want 2 first round draft picks for Kerr
Kerr's man talks to six Vic clubs
Brent Diamond | August 17, 2008
WEST Coast midfielder Daniel Kerr's management has given the strongest indication yet that the 155-game premiership player is seeking to move to Victoria next season.
The Sunday Age understands that Kerr's manager, Colin Young, has already spoken informally with up to six Victorian clubs, including Carlton.
Speculation that Kerr wants out of West Coast has been strongly denied by both the West Coast Eagles and Kerr, with the club saying it would demand at least two first-round draft picks for its best midfielder.
However, Young said he was expecting a flurry of offers come the October trade period.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/kerrs-man-talks-to-six-vic-clubs/2008/08/16/1218307322856.html
ROFLOL LMAOOOOO ROFLCOPTER! :lol :lol :rollin :rollin ;D ;D :D :D :santa
Ah classic. 2 first rounders.
Tell 'em they're dreamin'! ;D
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If we do........I give up.
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ROFLOL LMAOOOOO ROFLCOPTER! :lol :lol :rollin :rollin ;D ;D :D :D :santa
Ah classic. 2 first rounders.
Tell 'em they're dreamin'! ;D
He'll easily get two first rounders, unless one of the picks is a Top 4-5 pick then they may take a 2nd rounder as well
Kerr is contracted and as such West Coast need to be satisfied to participate in the trade, this isn't like Judd who was uncontracted and went for Pick 3, a Pick 4 from 2 years ago plus what was effectively another late first rounder in Pick 20.
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The Australian has Richmond as one of 6 clubs that has/will approach the Eagles about Kerr. Denham also claims the Eagles want a top 3 pick plus a top 10 pick for Kerr.
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Eagles demand top picks for Kerr
Greg Denham | August 28, 2008
WEST Coast yesterday put star midfielder Daniel Kerr on the market, but he comes at a substantial price as the Eagles are determined to play hardball over his future.
Kerr is contracted to the Eagles until the end of next year, but the club's demands for releasing the 25-year-old early include two top-10 picks in the national draft.
A club source revealed yesterday that any trade would require one pick under No4 in the draft and another selection before pick No10 as a starting point for a deal.
Kerr's agent Colin Young did not return calls yesterday, but he had said this month that he had held talks with up to six opposition clubs regarding the future of his leading client.
Kerr has completed the second year of a three-year contract with the Eagles, worth about $1.7million.
"We expect some clubs to come up with lame offers," a West Coast source said yesterday.
"If anyone's serious, it will need to be an exceptional offer.
"We had to give Chris Judd up for the third selection in last year's draft because he was out of contract, but Daniel Kerr is contracted.
"So we'd be entitled to another pick in the first three as well as an additional draft choice inside the top 10."
West Coast is gearing up for approaches from Essendon, Carlton, Sydney and Hawthorn. Richmond and Collingwood have also shown interest.
Kerr and his management have been sending out mixed messages for months, although Kerr has publicly stated many times, and as late as this week, that his preference is to remain in Perth.
"Daniel wants it all on his terms and that is not going to be the case," the Eagles source said. "Everyone thinks he's leaving, but we doubt whether any other club has the firepower to get him."
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24251807-5012432,00.html
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I thought that he would be worthit but not for 2 first round picks, he's not. And we have a good line up of young midfeilders now. So let them develop. So now armed with that information I say a big no the chasing Kerr.
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They aren't over a barrel this time like the Judd deal. If no-one can come up with a deal, then no-one gets him and he stays an Eagle.
After seeing his form this year without Judd and Cousins taking the two best taggers, a top 4 pick and another top 10 pick is way too much for Kerr.
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Why not.
We picked up JON, Schulz and Petts with top 10 picks so why wouldn't we use our picks on getting a gun like Kerr.
He is a proven match winner and imagine our midfield. Cotch, lids, foley, Tuck and Kerr. you cant beat that.
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ROFLOL LMAOOOOO ROFLCOPTER! :lol :lol :rollin :rollin ;D ;D :D :D :santa
Ah classic. 2 first rounders.
Tell 'em they're dreamin'! ;D
He'll easily get two first rounders, unless one of the picks is a Top 4-5 pick then they may take a 2nd rounder as well
Kerr is contracted and as such West Coast need to be satisfied to participate in the trade, this isn't like Judd who was uncontracted and went for Pick 3, a Pick 4 from 2 years ago plus what was effectively another late first rounder in Pick 20.
A club probably will give that, but it is exactly why I dont want him at Richmond. Far too expensive. A complete waste of picks and as this time West Coast holds most of the power they are not in same position as they were with Judd and those thinking they can bargain hard with them are in dreamland.
Best to pick the best available players at 8 and 24 instead of chase Kerr.
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Why not.
Because as an inside midfielder, Kerr will be lucky to play past 30 years old. Have a look at Voss, Ricciuto, etc they were the best in the business as inside mids and couldn't play in the midfield past 30. Kerr is already showing signs of wear and tear and will be 26 around the start of next season. That's 3-4 years left in the game, don't kid yourself, Kerr is not going to give us 5+ years. Haven't we learnt about sacrificing our early draft position yet? So many Richmond supporters are so stupid!!!
We picked up JON, Schulz and Petts with top 10 picks so why wouldn't we use our picks on getting a gun like Kerr.
Bartel was a Pick 8 and we have much better recruiting departments now. I'd much rather Ziebell/Vickery plus our 2nd rounder. How many people would prefer we got Judd or Cotchin, Rance, McMahon & Morton?
He is a proven match winner
Looks very human this year with Judd & Cousins gone
and imagine our midfield. Cotch, lids, foley, Tuck and Kerr. you cant beat that.
Yeah, for 4 years until Kerr retires and we're left with no young gun waiting to step in because we traded our picks away
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He's not worth what we'd have to give up
And not worth the criticism from those who say get him and then bag the club for not going with the youth policy ::)
Spot on
Can't have your cake and eat it too :thumbsup
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Why not.
We picked up JON, Schulz and Petts with top 10 picks so why wouldn't we use our picks on getting a gun like Kerr.
He is a proven match winner and imagine our midfield. Cotch, lids, foley, Tuck and Kerr. you cant beat that.
Where do we get a second top ten pick from?
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Why not.
We picked up JON, Schulz and Petts with top 10 picks so why wouldn't we use our picks on getting a gun like Kerr.
He is a proven match winner and imagine our midfield. Cotch, lids, foley, Tuck and Kerr. you cant beat that.
Where do we get a second top ten pick from?
newman would be a top 10 pick for sure
schulz a top 20 after finishing the year good.
I dont know mate its a stong draft and clubs like Hawthron are doing great now because they bit the bullet and offloaded some average players for good draft picks.
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If we do........I give up.
I'm with ya The Cotch :thumbsup
Kerr has shown this year that he aint as good as he is painted to be without the support of Judd & Cousins taking the best mid-field tags. Also, at times this year he has looked like he is playing just Kerr and not his team.....
Keep him away Tigerland please :pray
Personally I think he should head off to Collingwood, he'd fit in beautifully ;D
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we got nathan brown for picks 6 and 20. Kerr is worth something similar and worth it. Based on everyones logic NOT to take him, Kerr would not be a good pick up because:-
1. He has been exposed without cousins and judd
2. Has only 3 years in the game
Based on the above logic, does that mean our current mid field is no good? Surely he finishes off a very promising midfield? This guy frees up foley, lids and cotch from the evil tags in the comp. Does it also mean tuck -also a crash and bash mid will end his career in the next year or 2? (he is older than kerr). We don't have enough decent players aged 25-28, at the right price this guy is worth a shot.
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at the right price this guy is worth a shot.
And here lies the most important point of all. Kerr is contracted and will only move if West Coast is happy with what they are getting, this is nothing like the Judd deal where they were over a barrell.
Kerr will require us to trade away a player who can get another mid first rounder, effectively putting us in a nil gain situation, or worse
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Kerr turns 26 in May 2009 so we'll be lucky to get 4-5 years out of him. In the short term he'll help out our midfield but we aren't in premiership mode in the short term. He's also missed a number of games through injury in the past 2 years through wear and tear of 8 years of footy in the guts. IMO he'd be another Leon Cameron scenario for us where we'll love him in Y&B in the short while he'd play for us but then we'll be watching the kids we missed out (Hahn and Hargrave in Cameron's case) play for another club for the next decade. As much as Miller chased hard for Judd I don't think too many Tiger supporters are upset with drafting Cotch and Rance with the picks we would've have had to cough up.
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Kerr turns 26 in May 2009 so we'll be lucky to get 4-5 years out of him. In the short term he'll help out our midfield but we aren't in premiership mode in the short term. He's also missed a number of games through injury in the past 2 years through wear and tear of 8 years of footy in the guts. IMO he'd be another Leon Cameron scenario for us where we'll love him in Y&B in the short while he'd play for us but then we'll be watching the kids we missed out (Hahn and Hargrave in Cameron's case) play for another club for the next decade. As much as Miller chased hard for Judd I don't think too many Tiger supporters are upset with drafting Cotch and Rance with the picks we would've have had to cough up.
No way. I would not give away Cotchin for Judd let alone Cotchin, Rance and McMahon.
But, this might be a little different this year. I've had a change of heart, and will look on with interest to see where Kerr ends up. I for one, would not be unhappy if it were us.
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Hutchy says West Coast has told Kerr he won't get a contract extension and they won't be discussing contracts until after trade week. Kerr told the Eagles that's not good enough and wants to be traded so he's officially on the market. 5 Vic clubs and the Swans are potentially interested. The Eagles want two top 10 picks but Hutchy expects they'll accept either two top 20 picks or one top 10 pick.
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There's no way Kerr would go for one Top 10 pick when he's contracted
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Interesting mention on SEN this morning that there are still 6 players with 2 strikes, you do your own conclusions on who they may be. Has too be weighed up as a BIG risk factor ....
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I just think at this stage of our develop Kerr would not suit us. I think he brings with him a gret deal of baggage also which our club culture does not need. If we were three more years alone the path and Kerr at 26 became an option I would be all for it but all he can do for us at this stage is (1) ensure TW career is secure, (2) hold back the development of our young midfielders and (3) create a gap in our developing list (less choices/depth in the future).
If we do go after Kerr, then I would suggest we would have to give up our first round choice and trade away one or more quality players to gain the second pick West Coast would be demanding.
I just think it is a big risk for a great deal pf potential harm.
Stripes
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kerr is very much on the wanted list at richmond
No doubt about the fact that he wont be at the eagles next year.
Bombers have the front running ATM
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Hey if we end up with him I could think of a lot worse.
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kerr is very much on the wanted list at richmond
No doubt about the fact that he wont be at the eagles next year.
Bombers have the front running ATM
Price is the big idssue for me re Kerr.
What has he got left 100 games tops?
It may manage to lift us into the finals next season but will it win us a premiership? not convinced TBH.
Life is a gamble I guess but I would be hesitant to give up our first round selection for him which is what it will cost(at least).
J Brown is a different story. I would seriously try to get him to Tigerland.
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Reading between the lines I think he is exactly the sort of person Terry is looking for. We have drafted lots of kids, we won't make many changes, we need mid range players etc, etc...
Depending on what we had to lose to get him, I would look favourably on Daniel Kerr, or Ben Cousins for that matter...just not both.
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J Brown is a different story. I would seriously try to get him to Tigerland.
Except that Brown ain't goin' nowhere.
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J Brown is a different story. I would seriously try to get him to Tigerland.
Except that Brown ain't goin' nowhere.
Probably not it would seem. Shame.
In that case would rather keep our first rounder than pick up Kerr and his baggage.
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Only if we want to reduce our chances of having success
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I remember everyone including me saying last year, not juddy his finished, his groin this that well look at his amazing year.
Kerr is a gun, he has 4 great years in him so i say lets go for it.
We drafted Mcmahon with pick 18 FFS, so why wouldn't you try get someone like KERR for 2 picks inside 20.
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I remember everyone including me saying last year, not juddy his finished, his groin this that well look at his amazing year
He may have carried the Carlton midfield, but he's still not the same player he was 2 years ago
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We should not chase after this player he has a bad attitude and is a bad egg. I wouldn't touch him with a barge poll.
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We should not chase after this player he has a bad attitude and is a bad egg. I wouldn't touch him with a barge poll.
Me neither.
With Gardiner, Kerr and possibly Cousins back together in the one state, buyer beware methinks!
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Kerr can join his mate Gardiner at St Kilda. He probably suits them more too as they think they can still win a flag with their current crop lol. A midfield replacement for the retiring Harvey.
We're still 3-4 years away from our young core peaking. By that time Kerr will be 30 and passed it while our first two picks in this upcoming draft will be turning 21-22 and stepping up with still around 8 years ahead of them.
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wont happen. :shh
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wont happen. :shh
Good! :thumbsup
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wont happen. :shh
I agree and the reality is it shouldnt happen. We can find midfielders. Midfielders are not hard to find. We have other needs like a ruckman and maybe another midfielder who can get the pill out of contests - who could come alot cheaper.
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wont happen. :shh
Good! :thumbsup
Double good :thumbsup :thumbsup
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wont happen. :shh
God I hope you're right
I'm sick of this club screwing things up and Kerr would be another
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ya better be right rogerd
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wont happen. :shh
Good! :thumbsup
probably a presumptious of me to declare this as a WONT HAPPEN scenario...but i know that he is on the radar, but there is another club that will be in front of us and they are hellbent on securing the services of the chaff bag kid.
perhaps cuzzy and him might be partners in crime again.
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StKilda would be a good fit for Kerr & Cousins, good chance they could land both
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wont happen. :shh
Good! :thumbsup
probably a presumptious of me to declare this as a WONT HAPPEN scenario...but i know that he is on the radar, but there is another club that will be in front of us and they are hellbent on securing the services of the chaff bag kid.
perhaps cuzzy and him might be partners in crime again.
well thats disappointing
i was hoping it was because we realised early picks were more important than going the short term fix
seems its only because there is another club more stupid than us
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wont happen. :shh
Good! :thumbsup
probably a presumptious of me to declare this as a WONT HAPPEN scenario...but i know that he is on the radar, but there is another club that will be in front of us and they are hellbent on securing the services of the chaff bag kid.
perhaps cuzzy and him might be partners in crime again.
Well according to Hutchy St Kilda is favoured to get Cousins so Infamy is probably right.
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well thats disappointing
i was hoping it was because we realised early picks were more important than going the short term fix
seems its only because there is another club more stupid than us
Not stupid for a club like StKilda, they have a mature enough group that could really give the flag a shot, adding Kerr & Cousins to the side would make them instantly more threatening.
They're going to finish in 4th spot if the Dogs beat the Crows and Saints beat the bombers, that's when you top up, not when you're 9th and not played finals in 7 years.
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Pretty simple for me why we shouldn't chase Kerr:
He's in contract, so the price will be high and it will mean losing our first two draft picks. Combined with the upcoming introduction of new teams and the impact that will have on our ability to draft quality youngsters in coming years, there would be a very high risk that we could end up with a big gap in our list where we lack quality youth over a 3 or 4 year period.
We've seen it before at this club and the impact it has, in particular how long it takes to right the balance of the list. Just far too much risk to introduce after we've done a lot of hard work to correct the mistakes of the past. The player in question is an injury and personality risk. I just can't see it being worth it.
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well thats disappointing
i was hoping it was because we realised early picks were more important than going the short term fix
seems its only because there is another club more stupid than us
Not stupid for a club like StKilda, they have a mature enough group that could really give the flag a shot, adding Kerr & Cousins to the side would make them instantly more threatening.
They're going to finish in 4th spot if the Dogs beat the Crows and Saints beat the bombers, that's when you top up, not when you're 9th and not played finals in 7 years.
Perhaps , though the saints have been topping up since 2004 and it hasn't gotten them far..Not sure cousins and kerr will have them challenging for a flag looking at their list..
Most of the time going for youth is the best way to improve and keep a list strong , even if you are the reigning premiers..
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They're going to finish in 4th spot if the Dogs beat the Crows and Saints beat the bombers, that's when you top up, not when you're 9th and not played finals in 7 years.
Exactly .. TW trying to put pressure on the club and paint CC into a corner by declaring an interest in trading reeks of self survival for a juicy new contract if the Tigers make the finals in 09 with Kerr in the side.
For once, Richmond as a club must continue on a true re-building path and not stop halfway. If Geelong are the recruiting model it has taken them 8 years and a couple of lucky Father / Sons (G. Ablett & Scarlett) to get them where they are.
I'd hate to see RFC end-up like that rabble from Moorabin still at a grunge party when techno has taken over in the house.
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Exactly .. TW trying to put pressure on the club and paint CC into a corner by declaring an interest in trading reeks of self survival for a juicy new contract if the Tigers make the finals in 09 with Kerr in the side.
Not even close IMHO. Kerr would make 2 parts of 5 eights of fa difference to us in the long term and I don't think our club has any intention whatsoever of chasing him, any more than we did Judd last year. There's much more going on behind the scenes and we are being vocal to keep other other sides on edge, and help ensure whoever gets Kerr pays top dollar with no added advantage. He doesn't fit in at all with our much publicized drive toward youth and culture change. Just can't see it for so many reasons.
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They're going to finish in 4th spot if the Dogs beat the Crows and Saints beat the bombers, that's when you top up, not when you're 9th and not played finals in 7 years.
Exactly .. TW trying to put pressure on the club and paint CC into a corner by declaring an interest in trading reeks of self survival for a juicy new contract if the Tigers make the finals in 09 with Kerr in the side.
For once, Richmond as a club must continue on a true re-building path and not stop halfway. If Geelong are the recruiting model it has taken them 8 years and a couple of lucky Father / Sons (G. Ablett & Scarlett) to get them where they are.
I'd hate to see RFC end-up like that rabble from Moorabin still at a grunge party when techno has taken over in the house.
I agree in some part for what you are saying i really do.
But why the eff did we recruit Mcmahon then? he will NOT be part of a premeirship winning team.
you go on about saving our draft picks then you forget last year we gave up pick 18 for a player playing reserves. I didn't hear anyone complaining then. You cant pick and choose when to save and hold draft picks. This was a wrong choice and we look stupid because of it
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Exactly .. TW trying to put pressure on the club and paint CC into a corner by declaring an interest in trading reeks of self survival for a juicy new contract if the Tigers make the finals in 09 with Kerr in the side.
Not even close IMHO. Kerr would make 2 parts of 5 eights of fa difference to us in the long term and I don't think our club has any intention whatsoever of chasing him, any more than we did Judd last year. There's much more going on behind the scenes and we are being vocal to keep other other sides on edge, and help ensure whoever gets Kerr pays top dollar with no added advantage. He doesn't fit in at all with our much publicized drive toward youth and culture change. Just can't see it for so many reasons.
So you reckon that RFC is talking up the price when the Saints have a higher draft pick ?? Still think that RFC had a real crack for Juddu$ and was more than going thru the machinations to get Carlscum to the table for Wet Toast.
Personally, I think Wallace is jockeying for power within the new RFC structure, as he has lost Miller and is without a placed ally cos Armstrong is largely irrelevant.
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Maybe RFC might be going after Kosi.
Our 1st + 2nd rounder for Kosi + St's 1st rounder ?
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Maybe RFC might be going after Kosi.
Our 1st + 2nd rounder for Kosi + St's 1st rounder ?
Gawd, an undersized injury prone duffus with the traffic awareness of a kid at their 1st day of kindergarden.
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So you reckon that RFC is talking up the price when the Saints have a higher draft pick ?? Still think that RFC had a real crack for Juddu$ and was more than going thru the machinations to get Carlscum to the table for Wet Toast.
Personally, I think Wallace is jockeying for power within the new RFC structure, as he has lost Miller and is without a placed ally cos Armstrong is largely irrelevant.
Yeah, I do think thats what we are doing - trying to get some other clubs involved in a fight for Kerr, taking some focus from another recruiting/trading scenario we may be considering (Warnock maybe). I don't think Wallace could give a stuff about power within the club - he knows his future as coach is all down to the team's performance in 2009 and any amount of power is not going to change that. And I am very sure he has no intention of hanging around to 'use' this power in other areas if he gets the chop as coach at season's end.
Our opinions differ but no problems - that's what it's all about.
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Voss said in the 5th quarter last night that he think that Kerr will be still there when he get there.
I hope he is as I think he'll be more trouble that he's worth.
And plus we have some good young players that could very well be as good if not better than him.
Lets keep our pick and money and forget about Kerr.
But Jonhathon Brown I think I would rather chase him as he looks like wanting a move.
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Thankfully going by what March said today we're keeping hold of our picks so that would rule out Kerr.
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Thankfully going by what March said today we're keeping hold of our picks so that would rule out Kerr.
Apart from Wallace being quoted in The Age as saying that he is pleased with the Tigers' end to the season, Wallace said he would now go to the club's board for permission to dangle some big carrots in the trade period.
"Decisions have to be made there and they're not all my decisions," Wallace said.
"We're now locked and loaded and ready to be able to put in some sort of challenge going into next year.
"Do we go with the group that we've got at the moment, wholly and solely, or can we go out into the marketplace and add to that?
"That's a financial decision, it's not always a footy decision.
"I'd like to think the club would now give us an opportunity to go to the marketplace, but we'll see." :o
Geez, the last time I looked the Tigers haven't played consecutive finals series in 33 years and are yet to get anywhere near a top 4 to be threatening for a premiership. :banghead
If Wallace thinks he is going to have a say in who his new boss is as Football Director he really should assess his own position whilst calling the players in for their annual review on Wednesday.
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TW is thinking about his own hid here but regardless we definately need a ruckman. If Simmo goes down next year we will be right back where we were last year. Patto is no No. 1 ruckman and Gus and Putt are years off it if at all.
Stripes
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Kerr would cost to much. One rumour I heard recently was Josh Carr to Port Adelaide from Freo, J.Oakley Nicholls to Freo from Richmond and Adam Thomson to Richmond from Port Adelaide. Dont think it has any real legs to it as a rumour but I do favor player for player swaps this year.
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Eagles won’t offer Kerr more than three years
By Nathan Schmook
3:13 PM Mon 01 September, 2008
THE WEST Coast Eagles will not negotiate a four or five-year deal with Daniel Kerr, according to club chief executive Trevor Nisbett.
Kerr has stated publicly he wants to sign a long-term deal with the Eagles but Nisbett said such a deal was out of the question.
However, the Eagles chief was confident the club would secure Kerr, who is contracted until the end of next season, on a three-year deal at some point in 2009.
Nisbett said it would take “the deal of a lifetime” to convince West Coast to trade Kerr with picks one and three in the 2008 national draft a minimum return.
http://www.afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=66799
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According to this thread http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=487934
Adam Thomson has put himself up. I think he can go ok and could be someone who could replace the loss of Kane Johnson when he retires, in the meantime he could add another in and under option for us and he wont cost much.
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Bad kick, no thanks
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wont happen. :shh
Good! :thumbsup
probably a presumptious of me to declare this as a WONT HAPPEN scenario...but i know that he is on the radar, but there is another club that will be in front of us and they are hellbent on securing the services of the chaff bag kid.
perhaps cuzzy and him might be partners in crime again.
i agree with this actually.
The job is a line manager, knowing abot football is a bonus, understanding how to manage people and departments is a pre-requisite. As is being up to date with the latest as far as sports science is concerned. That why danny corcoran for me would be the ideal candidate...seems as though he will not be in however.
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The bookies have us equal last in the Kerr chase ......
Sportingbet yesterday listed the market for Kerr as:
St Kilda $3.50, West Coast $3.50, Collingwood $4.25, Carlton $8, Essendon $9, Western Bulldogs $11, Brisbane Lions $11, Port Adelaide $11, Sydney $13, Richmond $13 and Melbourne $13.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24315953-19742,00.html
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The bookies have us equal last in the Kerr chase ......
Sportingbet yesterday listed the market for Kerr as:
St Kilda $3.50, West Coast $3.50, Collingwood $4.25, Carlton $8, Essendon $9, Western Bulldogs $11, Brisbane Lions $11, Port Adelaide $11, Sydney $13, Richmond $13 and Melbourne $13.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24315953-19742,00.html
:clapping
I dont normally take a lot of notice what the bookies put in their odds but for us to be that far out given all the media talk they must know something we dont.
:cheers
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The bookies have us equal last in the Kerr chase ......
Sportingbet yesterday listed the market for Kerr as:
St Kilda $3.50, West Coast $3.50, Collingwood $4.25, Carlton $8, Essendon $9, Western Bulldogs $11, Brisbane Lions $11, Port Adelaide $11, Sydney $13, Richmond $13 and Melbourne $13.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24315953-19742,00.html
I dont normally take a lot of notice what the bookies put in their odds but for us to be that far out given all the media talk they must know something we dont.
:cheers
All I can say is I hope they are right. :pray
:clapping
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Might put a $5 down just in case! ;)
Stripes
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Im against it. I think it would cost to much, the absolute most I would give would be 8, Oakley Nicholls and Casserley and the Eagles wouldnt cop that.
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Im against it. I think it would cost to much, the absolute most I would give would be 8, Oakley Nicholls and Casserley and the Eagles wouldnt cop that.
Ramps please dont mention JON and Kerr in the same sentence again. :thumbsup
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lol hahahhahahahahaha ;D
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Might put a $5 down just in case! ;)
Stripes
I'll take your money, and offer you 15's. :thumbsup
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Might put a $5 down just in case! ;)
Stripes
I'll take your money, and offer you 15's. :thumbsup
Done.....well figuratively and imaginatively in any case. ;)
Still a smokey but unlikely all the same. We are not last in the trade race though as the bookies are speculating.
Stripes
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Still a smokey but unlikely all the same.
I have you know I bear no resemblance to Daniel Kerr!
:rollin
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Ch 10 news just said Kerr has agreed to stay at the Eagles.
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Might put a $5 down just in case! ;)
Stripes
I'll take your money, and offer you 15's. :thumbsup
Done.....well figuratively and imaginatively in any case. ;)
Stripes
We'll call them OER "credits". :lol
Will anyone offer me 10's for Port Thomson to land at Punt Road next year ? I'll place the 5er on it.
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Ch 10 news just said Kerr has agreed to stay at the Eagles.
LMAO - Cuzzies sister didn't want to move,eh.......
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This is most likely the first of many garbage rumours before this year's trade week but doing the rounds on Wednesday was the rumour that we'd be looking to trade our first pick plus Cogs to the Eagles for Kerr. With many of our more well paid older players about to be cut we'll be cashed up at the end of the season to make a play for a name player along with the need to stay on or above the 92.5% minimum in TPP.
Now I don't believe it and especially don't want it to happen even though the person who told me isn't one to make up rumours for the fun of it. I can't see the Eagles wanting Cogs now especially at a large ground like Subi but hey don't shot the messenger.
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if we finish 2nd dont we have the 2nd pick in the PSD ... and with so many older players leaving the club wouldnt that give us massive salary cap relief...that being the case couldnt we do a Carlton and have a massive front loaded contract say $800,000 year 1 and 250k in years 2 & 3 which would put Melbourne out of it? By the way heard rumour that we would be chasing a name player but it wasnt Kerr. Anyway time will tell.
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If we trade away our first pick we should just fold the club now.
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If we trade away our first pick we should just fold the club now.
right there with ya mate
absolutely spot on
we should be trading away players not recruiting other hacks from other clubs.
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Geez, this crap has started early this year.
Total BS.
The powers that be should be shot for trading for Thomson and picking Hislop who are both hacks.
Jordan McMahon anyone !
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Only with a Jacko next time we play them (unless we are tanking and then he can run free)
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if we finish 2nd dont we have the 2nd pick in the PSD ... and with so many older players leaving the club wouldnt that give us massive salary cap relief...that being the case couldnt we do a Carlton and have a massive front loaded contract say $800,000 year 1 and 250k in years 2 & 3 which would put Melbourne out of it? By the way heard rumour that we would be chasing a name player but it wasnt Kerr. Anyway time will tell.
The problem is it's unlikely any player these days would have a major fallout with his current club and walk out straight to us or any other club for that matter for free. Okay yep we got Cuz for free but that was exceptional circumstances. The last player to walk to another club via the PSD was Nick Stevens to Carlton 6 years ago but that was only because Stevens wanted to go to Collingwood and Williams said to Stevens stuff you you're off to the wooden spooner.
We could to force a more favourable trade deal though especially if we got the player to select Richmond as his preferred club (As with Judd the AFL will do their best to get the trade through to avoid further free agency talk). However I don't want to trade any of our picks so pass.
Btw which club does the player you've heard Ramps play for?