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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on May 18, 2008, 04:14:28 AM
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What changes, if any, will/should we make for the Bombers game on Saturday night?
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white king tuck out
patto jackson collins in
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Out: McMahon, Tuck
In: Tivendale, Patto
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Out: McMahon, Tuck
In: Tivendale, Patto
only a tool would want tivendale back in the team!
and you have a dig at me, ur a a total wank and have no cedibility what so ever and must have ant sized testicles, just like tivendale!
tivendae in, what a joke, and you bag mcmahon lol
tool
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Here's a question for you X: who do you think is the better player - Tivendale or McMahon?
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Here's a question for you X: who do you think is the better player - Tivendale or McMahon?
no brainer, mcmahon is much better
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Out: McMahon, Tuck
In: Connors, Hughes
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OUT: Hyde, McMahon
IN: Collins, Patto
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Time to shake things up a bit. Can't keep going on with the minimum number of enforced changes when we keep losing and there are players in the 2's that are playing well. Tivendale deserves a recall, has done very well for a number of weeks and has had the right attitude.
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Might be a good match to blood a couple of kids.
Put Collins and Rance in.
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Just had another thought.
Put Cogs on the long-term injury list and promote Cartledge.
A match against his old club might fire him up a bit.
:thumbsup
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Here's a question for you X: who do you think is the better player - Tivendale or McMahon?
no brainer, mcmahon is much better
they are both crap and right now mcmahon is just as bad as tivers ever was.
you keep defending him like a love sick puppie its amusing to read.
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u keep bagging him as if he dumped you for a man with a bigger shlong!
just get some sleep
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Simmo missed Patto this week and his ruckwork and efforts around the ground fell away as the game progressed because of it. We were smashed in the the ruck after half time. In recent weeks our ruck and clearance work has been one of our greatest strength but without a good second ruck option we seemed ordinary.
McMahon was the turnover king against Geelong. He has plenty of the ball but did little with it. He was the only player who backed away from contests and wouldn't put his body on the line. I have defended McMahon in the past on this site but I was really disappointed with him this week regardless how many stats he accumulated.
Polak looks one dimension at the moment and is ordinary in front of goal.
Collins and Connors are the future and played a terrific game on the weekend.
So
In...........Out
Patto Polak
Connors McMahon
Stripes
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Just had another thought.
Put Cogs on the long-term injury list and promote Cartledge.
A match against his old club might fire him up a bit.
:thumbsup
Cogs wont be going on the long term injury list.
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Out: McMahon, Tuck
In: Tivendale, Patto
and you have a dig at me, ur a a total wank and have no cedibility what so ever and must have ant sized testicles, just like tivendale!
or you,......antsized,angry lil' fella.
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Hyde --- Polo
Polak --- Pattison
Tuck --- Connors
McMahon --- Hughes
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I think we need to remember we are going from playing the best side in the comp. down to a bottom 4 side low in confidence in Essendon even if they're get a couple of their better players back this week. Any poor performers on Saturday night can then face the chopping block as there'll be no excuse.
In:
Patto - we and especially Simmo missed a 2nd ruckman.
Out:
Edwards - Shane's had a couple of quiet ones in a row. Give him a spell and a full game at Coburg
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I think we need to remember we are going from playing the best side in the comp. down to a bottom 4 side low in confidence in Essendon even if they're get a couple of their better players back this week. Any poor performers on Saturday night can then face the chopping block as there'll be no excuse.
In:
Patto - we and especially Simmo missed a 2nd ruckman.
Out:
Edwards - Shane's had a couple of quiet ones in a row. Give him a spell and a full game at Coburg
Ok this is one I can agree with. Shane just needs to get some ball.
Patto is needed against Hill and Laycock. No matter what you think of them Simmo cant go it alone against them.
I dont like Machmon much but he wont get dropped and I thought Polak is in the best.
So for me In Patto Out Edwards
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In: Patto, Connors, Collins
Out: McMahon, Bowden, Edwards
Connors hasn't had a pre-season, so what, Cotchin didn't have one either.
Get him in to replace McMahon, swap Edwards for Collins and Bowden isn't the future and doesn't bring anything extra to the team that younger players can't, so get rid of him.
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in- patto, collins
out mcmahon, edwards or hyde
one thing is for sure this is a must win game. anything less is unnaceptable against this dud bomber outfit.
knighter will want to want to do anything to win and if we lose we can kiss our season goodbye, especially with the swans to come.
enough talk bout how we have improved. im sorry its worth nothing if we cant beat a hapless bomber outfit
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I would like to see:
McGaune Thursfeild King
Newman Rance Moore
Richo Cotchin Tambling
Connors Reiwoldt Brown
Collard Morton Pattison
Simmonds Deledio Foley
Edwards Collins Johnson Tuck
We have not won many games this season so it's time to make so I would like us to build for the future.
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Rance aint going to get a game, thier are better players who will be in before him
They will go in unchange
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In: Patto, Connors, Collins
Out: McMahon, Bowden, Edwards
Connors hasn't had a pre-season, so what, Cotchin didn't have one either.
Get him in to replace McMahon, swap Edwards for Collins and Bowden isn't the future and doesn't bring anything extra to the team that younger players can't, so get rid of him.
you cant chuck experience out of the team & put in newbies just like that & expect to win games
you get floged everytime
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I thought Tuck was our best. Thrived in the conditions and Joel Corey barely had a touch before half time. Went missing in the third but everyone else did too.
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Rance aint going to get a game, thier are better players who will be in before him
They will go in unchange
Meh. nor is Collard, but that is still the team i'd like to see.
Rance was in the best for the Burgers. Can't be any worse than Polak, Schultz or Hughes.
If Polo can get 30 touches and 3 goals against the Essendon scumdogs I don't think Rance would struggle against Laycock or Johns. :cheers
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Anyone could beat Courtney Johns :lol why l reckon l do him over at my age ;D his a crap footballer even my bomber supporter mates hate him & want him gone.
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from today's Age...
Wallace indicated that Trent Cotchin had sufficiently impressed on debut last week to retain his place in the side, while Patrick Bowden had benefited from a month in the VFL.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/rivals-dreaming-of-elusive-win-at-g/2008/05/21/1211182897171.html
:wallywink
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Out: McMahon, Tuck
In: Tivendale, Patto
and you have a dig at me, ur a a total wank and have no cedibility what so ever and must have ant sized testicles, just like tivendale!
or you,......antsized,angry lil' fella.
do u ever post anything worth reading.....
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Out: McMahon, Tuck
In: Tivendale, Patto
and you have a dig at me, ur a a total wank and have no cedibility what so ever and must have ant sized testicles, just like tivendale!
or you,......antsized,angry lil' fella.
do u ever post anything worth reading,
get to the topic pal
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Go away for a few days and it looks like the "luv" went way too :banghead
Excellent point there daniel about the topic :thumbsup
Just on the the topic..... lets stick to that and stop with the personal sniping and insults
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As others have already stated, the inclusion of Patto to support Simmo is a priority. We were beaten out of the middle last week and that had alot to do with Simmo shouldering the ruck load alone. Patto has allowed Simmonds to look good this year by giving him a reliable replacement so he can rest.
Polak offered little against Geelong. He is arguably the best contested mark in the league but he is not a play maker and is inconsistent when kicking for goal. His best position is as a floating backman where his strengths can be used and his weaknesses hidden. Regardless, he is not a 2nd ruckman nor a reliable forward at this stage. For team balance I would replace him with Patto this week.
In - Patto Out - Polak
Bowden is a hinderance IMHO. He is slow, unaccountable, lazy and selfish. He lacks natural defensive instints (which is funny considering he played in the defense for such a long period of his career) and tackling does not come naturally to him. He has the strength to out muscle opponents but lacks the pace to make room on the lead or crumb from packs. Opponents run off him which would allow teams more opportunities to set up from the backline.
Despite his sparkling career, which includes All Austrailian honours, we have better players on our list who can fill his role. Regardless of all of this, he will not be dropped because he has done what TW has asked and reinvented himself playing for Coburg. Joel has finally done the 'team thing' and it would send the wrong message to the rest of the team to drop him now. I don't think he will last out the year though.
Edwards has been underperforming and is still a developing player. I love to see the young fellow getting as many AFL games experience as he can but in saying that I think, once again for team balance, Schulz should be included in his place. Cotchin also fills a similiar role.
Schulz seems to be a much maligned player of late but he has become a very versitile asset to our team. His defensive work has been excellent this year (much to my surprize I might add) and he has the ability to pinch hit in the forwardline and, most importantly, worry the opposition. We missed him last week and after being in the best for Coburg in their last game deserves a call up
In - Schulz Out - Edwards
Stripes
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Anyone got the side yet?
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Wayne will have it soon I imagine, I can never find where he finds it so early. :-\
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Not yet, but a couple of different rumours are doing the rounds.
The first rumour is Collins and a surprise in
The other is Patto and Pettifer in
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Blaise reckons the Collins one is wrong so I'll go with him.
Wouldnt surprise me to see a Pattison and Pettifer.
Bad feeling Jack and Edwards will be outs. :-[
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Yeah I think Jack is out from what I've heard
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Blaise reckons the Collins one is wrong so I'll go with him.
Wouldnt surprise me to see a Pattison and Pettifer.
Bad feeling Jack and Edwards will be outs. :-[
i wont be happy to see petts in there. not yet anyhow!!
i would rather see collins play. its time we rewarded his efforts and play him...
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Blaise reckons the Collins one is wrong so I'll go with him.
Wouldnt surprise me to see a Pattison and Pettifer.
Bad feeling Jack and Edwards will be outs. :-[
i wont be happy to see petts in there. not yet anyhow!!
i would rather see collins play. its time we rewarded his efforts and play him...
Same, I'd rather keep Jack.
And thinking further Edwards will play and stay because it's the dreamtime. I think he deserved another game anyway but that will seal it.
An Yeah thought so Wayne, pity for Jack, Essendon would've been an easier task for him compared to Scarlett. :-[
Hope there are minimal changes.
In: Patto
Out: Jack
would be enough if there must be one and Jack is the one out.
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jack should not be dropped
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RICHMOND
B: Jordan McMahon, Will Thursfield, Jake King
HB: Chris Newman, Kelvin Moore, Chris Hyde
C: Matthew Richardson, Shane Tuck, Brett Deledio
HF: Shane Edwards, Jay Schulz, Joel Bowden
F: Nathan Brown, Jack Riewoldt, Richard Tambling
Foll: Troy Simmonds, Kane Johnson, Nathan Foley
I/C: Graham Polak, Matt White, Trent Cotchin, Adam Pattison
EMG: Kayne Pettifer, Daniel Connors, Luke McGuane
In: Pattison, Schulz
Out: Mitch Morton, Luke McGuane
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Geez McGuane is a bit stiff
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Mcguane well i dont agree with that.
Mitch, well he did have a shocker.
at the end of the day someone had to go...
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Mcguane did well last week. :-\ :-X
Morton had a bad one but a wet MCG wouldnt be his forte.
Schulz better play back. :pray :pray
Good to see Patto back though. :thumbsup
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I'm scratching my head with McGuane - stiff indeed. Shulz must be playing pretty well so it kind of makes sense - man for man.
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I'm scratching my head with McGuane - stiff indeed. Shulz must be playing pretty well so it kind of makes sense - man for man.
i thought Shulz was 'just' last week - but then it was wet!!
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cant believe morton is dropped yet white and hyde remain
big mistake mitch is a quality player, white and hyde are just make up the numbers players
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cant believe morton is dropped yet white and hyde remain
big mistake mitch is a quality player, white and hyde are just make up the numbers players
Totally agree, Mitch Morton is a classy player that we need in our forward half. He has been doing all the chasing, shepherding asked of him and is stiff to be out. Much better player than Hydey. Luke McGuane also very hard done by.
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I obviously have no idea :rollin
I thought McGuane was very good last week
Surprised about Morton - yeah he had a "so-so" game but it's still a surprise
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I thought Morton was close, but McGuane, sheesh I agree, very hard done by, I'd like to know the thinking behind that decision.
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Essendon - for those interested.
B: Slattery Fletcher Lovett-Murray
HB: Myers McPhee Hislop
C: Winderlich Watson Dyson
HF: Welsh Daniher Lovett
F: Hille Lloyd Lonergan
R: Ryder Stanton McVeigh
Int: Neagle Reimers Monfries Jetta
In: Lovett-Murray, McPhee, Watson, Dyson
Out: Ramanauskas, Michael, Laycock, Houli
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i have a feeling wallace may pull a surprise..
just a hunch i dont think this is our starting line up. cant be surely..
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In: Pattison, Schulz
Out: Mitch Morton, Luke McGuane
I'm surprised by both omissions ???. I thought Lukey did a good job on Hawkins last week :-\.
Let's hope we aren't now too tall up forward and have no one at ground level to hold the ball in inside our forward 50. Also we have two big blokes and a underdone mid named on the bench. Browny, Richie and possibly Joel and Edwards will be used in the midfield rotations.
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I think Houli will be a last minute inclusion for the Dons too!
I think the inclusions are right on the money but I'm surprized with the exclusions.
We need Patto for Simmo. Without a quality backup for Snake too much responsibility and run is expected from the big fella. As was obvious last week, we suffer out of the middle without Patto on board.
Schulz offers us fleibility. He has been excellent in the backline and can trouble the opposition in the forwardline. He was one of the best in Coburgs last game and deserves his inclusion.
Morton doesn't deserve to be dropped. He is a team player who does all the little things - shepherds, blocks, leads to create space, runs down defenders and fights to keep it in our F50. When he is not kicking goals he is still creating them for the team.
Similiarly, McGuane has been steady and consistent. he has provided run and tackled hard. He has been good without being spectacular.
I don't think Hyde should be ommitted. He has been tagging well up until last week, when he came up against, IMHO, the No. 1 player in the AFL - GAblett.
Edwards should be ommitted but I think he has retained his spot because of his cultural ancestry rather than his current form. Polak my other choice for ommission.
Anyway I am pleased with the inclusions and I'm glad it is hard to find someone to exclude on form. Says a lot about the way we are playing and eveness of the team at the moment.
Stripes
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Cant believe that Morton is out, terrible decision. Hopefully he snags a bag full against Bendigo and comes straight back in. He is a class act.
Not that i have anything against Edwards, but surely he would be due to be dropped before Morton on recent form.
Michael being out is good for us also. Some of our young fowards have a chance to really step up this week and do something.
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Anyone else have a feeling that Connors will come in as a late change
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I reckon Morton's making way for Cotchin. With Shulz in for McGuane it's player for player and last week Cotch was a late change for Patto due to the conditions.
Patto's back cos we need 2 ruckmen - so someone has to make way for Cotch. It had to come out of Hyde/White/Edwards/Morton - they went with Morton which tells me they probably expect Cotch to play in that forward pocket/stuff role for much of the game.
Hyde & White have the motor to run through the midfield - and Edwards seems a touch more versatile than Morton position-wise. That's the only way I can make sense of it... ???
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Makes more sense than what any explanation the rest of us have come up with Obelix. Being the dreamtime game may have got Edwards over the line too. I still think Morton is very unlucky. Last week was the first time in 5 weeks he didn't kick 2 goals (held goalless). Whereas Shane has had a couple of quiet games in the past 3 weeks.
I still think Connors needs more time at Coburg to get his fitness up bluey after no preseason. Although I said that about Cotch last week and he still played lol.
Houli has a virus apparently but Knights said Watson was under a cloud only yesterday so you could be right Stripes about there being a late change for the Bombers.
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cant believe morton is dropped yet white and hyde remain
big mistake mitch is a quality player, white and hyde are just make up the numbers players
Because they both play the same position. ::)
Ok Hyde got smashed but he raped Montagna and Griffen the weeks before so had credits and White's defensive pressure is invaluble ina team that lacks it, very harsh X
THat said I would gone with Patto in, morton/Jack out and left it at that.
Hope it doesnt bite us. . . .
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channel 10 now boys..
apparently quarters is about to tell us richo is in some doubt. that cant be good..
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gee the footage wasn't good...showed richo all bandaged up.
looked like he was struggling, just hope it was a case of doing little in front of the camera's..
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im sure or i hope that an injection will do the trick
worked for buddha and greg williams for a while , age may be against the big fella this time
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This is the guy who came out last year a week after having his face smashed to play an awesome game.