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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Ramps on March 27, 2009, 11:12:10 AM
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So whose going to takeover when the inevitable occurs. Will it be an experienced big name coach or an untested coach. Tell us what you think!
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Leigh Matthews to come in and make us hard, professional and give a simple game plan our dumb players can follow.
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Craig Mcrae..haha surely that was a misprint RAMPS?
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Only 5 votes so far. Lets say one thing, the only thing keeping RFC alive is the supporters and members who year in year out keep us financial and marketable to the corporate world. If our supporters ever decide that they have had enough we will be in serious trouble.
Its about time the supporters actually got shown some respect and not treated like dogshit by the club. Last nights performance was a total disgrace.
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stuffing discusting thread this is, how the stuff do you sleep, was the coach the one turning the ball over???????????????
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Yup, the sky is falling!!!! ::)
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effing discusting thread this is, how the eff do you sleep, was the coach the one turning the ball over???????????????
no he wasn't but the buck stops at the top.
who instructs them how to play and where to stand. Your mate Wallace.
Who instructs them how and when to chase, tackle. yep again your man Wallace.
Who recruits these so called players who TURNS THE BALL OVER. again your man Wallace
READ VERY CLOSELY. THE MESSAGE IS NOT GETTING THROUGH AFTER 4 stuff.... YEARS. HE IS USELSS
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effing discusting thread this is, how the eff do you sleep, was the coach the one turning the ball over???????????????
No, but isn't the coach meant to pick the players and put together a team of players that don't turn ball over.
Wallace has been the coach of Deledio, Raines, Foley, McGuane etc. their whole careers. They have had 4 years of pre-seasons and training sessions to refine their skills. They still make simple skill errors.
Wallace should realise that clean skills aren't something his team has in abundance, anyone can see it. Which game plan (if any) does Wallace implement, the one based one having precision kicking skills.
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effing discusting thread this is, how the eff do you sleep, was the coach the one turning the ball over???????????????
no he wasn't but the buck stops at the top.
who instructs them how to play and where to stand. Your mate Wallace.
Who instructs them how and when to chase, tackle. yep again your man Wallace.
Who recruits these so called players who TURNS THE BALL OVER. again your man Wallace
READ VERY CLOSELY. THE MESSAGE IS NOT GETTING THROUGH AFTER 4 stuff.... YEARS. HE IS USELSS
Listen you silly stuff, who turns the ball over and does not tackle??????? The stuffing coach or the player, wake up stupid!!!!!!!!!
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Yup, the sky is falling!!!! ::)
It fell halfway through the second quarter last night.
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effing discusting thread this is, how the eff do you sleep, was the coach the one turning the ball over???????????????
no he wasn't but the buck stops at the top.
who instructs them how to play and where to stand. Your mate Wallace.
Who instructs them how and when to chase, tackle. yep again your man Wallace.
Who recruits these so called players who TURNS THE BALL OVER. again your man Wallace
READ VERY CLOSELY. THE MESSAGE IS NOT GETTING THROUGH AFTER 4 stuff.... YEARS. HE IS USELSS
Listen you silly eff, who turns the ball over and does not tackle??????? The effing coach or the player, wake up stupid!!!!!!!!!
Living in Perth i understand you have no stuffin clue but read this.
The club and coach is a rabble and the only thing to keep it on floating is people like us
A big clean out is needed and it starts with him.
get your head out of his behind wont you.
This loss was up there with the Cats loss in 2007. 2 years apart and not ONE fuqckin thing has changed
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Daniel, I hope in your workplace that you are not judged because your work mates let you down!! Wake up you fool, so when the next coach comes in and the players STILL make stupid decisions and turn the ball over who do we blame then...... Wallace.
Maybe YOU should take your head out of your own arse!!!!
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effing discusting thread this is, how the eff do you sleep, was the coach the one turning the ball over???????????????
I agree that this is a disgraceful thread.
Do you people honestly think Wallace told:
a) Simmo and McGuane to drop marks leading to opposition goals;
b) Lids to kick it over someones head to an opposition forward;
c) Richo to stand there while Waite ran off him kicking 3 goals;
d) Foley to concede a stupid 50metre penalty;
e) Richo, Riew, Simmo and Sarge to miss set shots on goal?
We may lose this weekend too, given we play Geelong...what thread will then go up?
Moderators please pull this thread - it is only negative and further destabilising.
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Finally Con someone with logic, couldn't agree more!!!!
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effing discusting thread this is, how the eff do you sleep, was the coach the one turning the ball over???????????????
I agree that this is a disgraceful thread.
Do you people honestly think Wallace told:
a) Simmo and McGuane to drop marks leading to opposition goals;
b) Lids to kick it over someones head to an opposition forward;
c) Richo to stand there while Waite ran off him kicking 3 goals;
d) Foley to concede a stupid 50metre penalty;
e) Richo, Riew, Simmo and Sarge to miss set shots on goal?
We may lose this weekend too, given we play Geelong...what thread will then go up?
Moderators please pull this thread - it is only negative and further destabilising.
Con what did you expect mate. Come on people are upset and angry including myself.
I got 2 memberships this year FOR MYSELF, because i generally very excited about this club in 2009...Again
i was looking forward to something and after last night im not sure what to think.
Its the biggest kick in the guts i have received from this club, probabably ever. The Cats loss was out Wooden Spoon year.
I agree he didn't drop the marks or miss the goals but something is not right with him.
They dont listen and his development of players is up there with any coach that has graced our club throughout the last 27 years
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Campbell with Sheeds as mentor.
Round 12
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effing discusting thread this is, how the eff do you sleep, was the coach the one turning the ball over???????????????
No he wasnt but he has had over 4 years to show improvement and last night was tragic. Second, if we look at the development of Hawthorn and now Carlton then this coaching panel has no excuses. Im sorry but the thread stays and it stays because
- We picked the wrong team last night
- Our disposal of the footy was diabolical
- No one understands the game plan- Is there one?
- The younger players havent developed
- We have wasted good picks on players like McMahon
etc etc
I sleep easily my friend, Ive followed this club since I was a toddler, I am a member, I contributed to club raffles, Put money in tins, and made donations to the Jack Dyer Foundation- money that in reality I couldnt afford to give but I did because Richmond means alot to me and clearly thats not the case with alot of people including some of the players at Punt Rd.
To all the apologists for mediocrity who want this thread pulled. Tell me what is wrong with the criticisms made. Tell me where I have lied or said a falsehood. Going on last night can any of you provide a decent and honest based opinion of what we saw last night. Some of you guys need to get serious. Our clubs going get into awful strife if this goes on much longer.
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I'd be happy with someone who has a game plan that the players can follow. No short kicks, sideways or backwards that allows the opposition to go forward. More tackling! Less predictability that keeps the opposition guessing. Maybe even an incentive or punishment for missed shots at goals.
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I am not a fan of this thread but do not want it pulled as supporters have a right to express opinions.
Personally as a player I never blamed the coach, if my team played crap I blamed the only person whose game I could definitely change, ie myself.
Maybe even an incentive or punishment for missed shots at goals.
Stick them in the cheer squad ;D
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Con what did you expect mate. Come on people are upset and angry including myself.
I got 2 memberships this year FOR MYSELF, because i generally very excited about this club in 2009...Again
i was looking forward to something and after last night im not sure what to think.
Its the biggest kick in the guts i have received from this club, probabably ever. The Cats loss was out Wooden Spoon year.
I agree he didn't drop the marks or miss the goals but something is not right with him.
They dont listen and his development of players is up there with any coach that has graced our club throughout the last 27 years
Daniel, you may well be right in that the players are not listening...i dont know..i am not down at the club every day or every week for that matter.
Like you I was simply gobsmacked that the players went out and put on such a performance.
I sat in my seat M54 HH seat 9 for the whole of the game...
But to start a thread about who should be the next coach after 1 game is just more of Eat there Own.
If we turn the half way mark say 4 - 7 and a crap percentage...then Wallace and March may meet and come out and say the gig is up...Wallace to coach out the year and no contract extension...but if we are 6-5 at mid point...then it is a different story...
Dont forget we won 8 out of last 11 games last year...
For me the disappointing stat is the tackle count...that simply shows lack of effort and desire...54 tackles to 80 is a massive difference ...especially the lack of tackles in our forward 50...
Let the knives come out at the half way mark...after round 1 it is simply a knee-jerk negative reaction and counter productive.
Even the media hasnt started the feeding frenzy on Wallace yet....so why should we supporters who all bleed yellow and black start eating our own?
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I agree that this is a disgraceful thread.
Do you people honestly think Wallace told:
a) Simmo and McGuane to drop marks leading to opposition goals;
b) Lids to kick it over someones head to an opposition forward;
c) Richo to stand there while Waite ran off him kicking 3 goals;
d) Foley to concede a stupid 50metre penalty;
e) Richo, Riew, Simmo and Sarge to miss set shots on goal?
Wallace and his assistants train these guys Con.
They are meant to teach them how to hit a target, man up and apply defensive pressure, take marks and kick for goal.
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Wallace and his assistants train these guys Con.
They are meant to teach them how to hit a target, man up and apply defensive pressure, take marks and kick for goal.
As a player you should be taking the responsibility on yourself as a player to be the best you can and perform these things.
Any player who cant do the above mentioned things and blames the coach is kidding themselves as to whose fault it is. Supporters blaming the coach for thing is just as short sighted, coaches only provide the stuff the rest is up to the player
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I understand Chuck.
Why don't the players want to be the best they can?
Round 1, sell out crowd, why would you need anymore incentive?
Meanwhile, Ratten has guys like Cloke, Wiggins, Houlihan putting their life on the line for their club.
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I agree that this is a disgraceful thread.
Do you people honestly think Wallace told:
a) Simmo and McGuane to drop marks leading to opposition goals;
b) Lids to kick it over someones head to an opposition forward;
c) Richo to stand there while Waite ran off him kicking 3 goals;
d) Foley to concede a stupid 50metre penalty;
e) Richo, Riew, Simmo and Sarge to miss set shots on goal?
You mean he didn't tell 'em to do that ;D
Moderators please pull this thread - it is only negative and further destabilising.
Pull it because it is negative...
I am not sure it is destabilising either, to me it's just another thread where people are venting
Look I don't like it and think it's a tad over the top but not breaching the rules
As a player you should be taking the responsibility on yourself as a player to be the best you can and perform these things.
Any player who cant do the above mentioned things and blames the coach is kidding themselves as to whose fault it is. Supporters blaming the coach for thing is just as short sighted, coaches only provide the stuff the rest is up to the player
Exactly, as a boss (and I am one) you can only do so much training & tecahing, then the staff (in this players) have to go out and excecute those instructions... our players didn't do that
As I said on another thread, head kick the coach if he deserves it but to spare our players for their insipdi effort last night is unforgiveable
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Why don't the players want to be the best they can?
Round 1, sell out crowd, why would you need anymore incentive?
Meanwhile, Ratten has guys like Cloke, Wiggins, Houlihan putting their life on the line for their club.
Fair enough I know where you are going and if it is an ongoing thing then yes either something is destabilising our players linked to the coaches or our recruiting is totally wrong. In this case something definitely needs to be done.
However one game isnt enough to start calling for coaches heads, our last half of the seaon in 2008 was good. The Blues were not an overly good side last night, Fev was out of sorts and we still got trounced. I am hoping it was the hype and expectations that got our coaches and players heads in the clouds and out of the reality of playing football.
The test for me will be in the next few weeks to see how we bounce back after being brought back down to earth with a thud.
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Con what did you expect mate. Come on people are upset and angry including myself.
I got 2 memberships this year FOR MYSELF, because i generally very excited about this club in 2009...Again
i was looking forward to something and after last night im not sure what to think.
Its the biggest kick in the guts i have received from this club, probabably ever. The Cats loss was out Wooden Spoon year.
I agree he didn't drop the marks or miss the goals but something is not right with him.
They dont listen and his development of players is up there with any coach that has graced our club throughout the last 27 years
Daniel that is one your best post ever :thumbsup
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Im certain that if the cards dont fall into place that changes will be made soon, I suspect that sheeds would be a caretaker for balance of 2008. We have invested plenty into this season, i dont believe that March would be prepared to trash it if we were 0-3 and continue on a road to nowhere
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Any one of Hardwick, Matthews or Sheedy
Make Sheedy the President and Hardwick the coach, could be a good combo Ramps.
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its not about dropped marks or poor skills.
All players can kick to a teammate and hit them lace up from 30-40 metres away. FACT
its about this.
They try and kick or handball through traffic . Problem is that we are too predictable and the oppposition sit on our players.
We always kick short in D50 and its usually in congestion.
The game plan is too get teammates close to the ball carrier , thus the possesion is more likely to be a short possesion, in turn the opposition are drawn to the contest, thus its near impossible to have clean possesions and therefore cant release. Thus we turn it over
Supporters and media say its poor skiils, in my opinion , very poor game plan that the current group of players cannot perform.
We need to spread at contests and not be drawn to contests, as in close and tight, the likes of McMahon and Edwards are usually pushed aside. Also the game plan is flawed as it is near impossible to excute anyway, (kicking through traffic )
by the way,
wayne campbell is our next coach. ;)
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Jack, why do you think Campbell is the next coach?
What do you think he will or can bring to the position.
I have doubts about him as that sort of leader.
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Anyone but Campbell
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I agree that this is a disgraceful thread.
Do you people honestly think Wallace told:
a) Simmo and McGuane to drop marks leading to opposition goals;
b) Lids to kick it over someones head to an opposition forward;
c) Richo to stand there while Waite ran off him kicking 3 goals;
d) Foley to concede a stupid 50metre penalty;
e) Richo, Riew, Simmo and Sarge to miss set shots on goal?
You mean he didn't tell 'em to do that ;D
Moderators please pull this thread - it is only negative and further destabilising.
Pull it because it is negative...
I am not sure it is destabilising either, to me it's just another thread where people are venting
Look I don't like it and think it's a tad over the top but not breaching the rules
As a player you should be taking the responsibility on yourself as a player to be the best you can and perform these things.
Any player who cant do the above mentioned things and blames the coach is kidding themselves as to whose fault it is. Supporters blaming the coach for thing is just as short sighted, coaches only provide the stuff the rest is up to the player
Exactly, as a boss (and I am one) you can only do so much training & tecahing, then the staff (in this players) have to go out and excecute those instructions... our players didn't do that
As I said on another thread, head kick the coach if he deserves it but to spare our players for their insipdi effort last night is unforgiveable
As a boss you ought to know that if your staff dont follow the plan they should be sacked.
Wallace has been way too lenient on a lot of players. He's afraid to drop McMahon for one. Lets see if he drops Brown or Lids this week because they both need a big kick
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Malthouse or Choco
LMFAO at any idiot that thinks Campbell can coach. Only Richmond could be that inbred to give that 9th finish specialist the job
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Malthouse or Choco
LMFAO at any idiot that thinks Campbell can coach. Only Richmond could be that inbred to give that 9th finish specialist the job
1980 I know, it's scary but that's exactly what they will probably do.
But I am interested in what Jack thinks of campbell and why if he in fact does, think campbell will be good.
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Jack, why do you think Campbell is the next coach?
What do you think he will or can bring to the position.
I have doubts about him as that sort of leader.
Firstly , he was bought back to the RFC for a reason. he still had a year left in his contract at Western Bulldogs which he needed to get released.
Wayne is a teriffic thinker of the game, some people might judge him by the way he played the game, but that shouldnt deter in what he can bring to the table in regards to coaching. If you assesed Alistair Clarkson the same way, he wouldnt have a coaching job. I would think that Brett Rattern would be a similar coach to a Wayne Campbell say.
May I say that the current coach hasnt really embraced the club.
I beleive we need a modern day thinker who will embrace the club.
We currently play football like basketball and we have a number of players who are currently restricted from playing there natural game. Wayne will embrace the concept of players playing there natural game in a team enviroment, currently we have players not playing there natural game with a team plan they have difficulty carrying out.
Irelevant what you personally think of Wayne Campbell the person, shouldnt be taken into account in considering Wayne Campbell the coach. Can tell you that he is a person of fantastic character with a burning desire to coach.
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To all the posters I agree that the coach is responsible for the current result.
He sets the game plan, he and his assistants recruit the players and pick the team.
I agree there.
However as I have stated in another thread my doubts are even if we sack Wallace and his assistants as well as dropping player favurites to Coburg would that change the result? I feel that the fish rots from the head and in my opinion what happens on the field is a true reflection of possibly what happens in the boardroom. We have not got this right since 1976 when we sacked Tommy Hafey. Unfortunantely there is a cultural problem at Richmond and the correllation between our instability and on field problems should be there for all to see.
This talk of new stability at Richmond under Spud and now under Wallace is merely a smokescreen to us the bona fide payee of a membership(s) to keep us all enthralled vigilant and hopeful for the future. We won 8 out of 11 last year yet our Pres couldn't resist to have a jibe. That was not the time nor the place.
What would a new coach achieve? Short term he'll have a honeymoon period anyone here remember Optus Oval Rd 22 1997 and Unleash The Giesche? In Laymans terms short term gain for long term pain. Why? Because the instability in our off field structure will still exist. "The fish rots from the head" my Tigerish friends. Until the board itself unites with the on field coaching staff or all board members are on the same page we are going nowhere. No new coach would change overall results long term and we would be merely sitting here in the last year of tenure of every coach who coaches the club in the future and reiterating the same things over and over and over again.
I am not endorsing Wallace as coach for next week or the rest of the year or beyond that, and I am neither presenting a cogent argument for any possible candidate that will replace Wallace, all I am merely doing is providing an appraisal of the club as a whole that I feel is pertinent and needs to be examined before we even consider to go down a certain path. As a member I feel that my disappointment is reflective in the content of this message and applicable to at least be considered by those that can influence something/ anything/change at Punt Rd. 27 years is enough to be lied to and taken advantage of in a financial and emotional way. You would not treat your worst enemy that way. Right now the club as a whole is no better than an evil investment scheme where people invest big bucks for no return only for other to reap rewards that ultimately mean nothing to the investor or fan/member in this case.
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Where's John F. - he loves Campbell.
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Jack, why do you think Campbell is the next coach?
What do you think he will or can bring to the position.
I have doubts about him as that sort of leader.
Firstly , he was bought back to the RFC for a reason. he still had a year left in his contract at Western Bulldogs which he needed to get released.
Wayne is a teriffic thinker of the game, some people might judge him by the way he played the game, but that shouldnt deter in what he can bring to the table in regards to coaching. If you assesed Alistair Clarkson the same way, he wouldnt have a coaching job. I would think that Brett Rattern would be a similar coach to a Wayne Campbell say.
May I say that the current coach hasnt really embraced the club.
I beleive we need a modern day thinker who will embrace the club.
We currently play football like basketball and we have a number of players who are currently restricted from playing there natural game. Wayne will embrace the concept of players playing there natural game in a team enviroment, currently we have players not playing there natural game with a team plan they have difficulty carrying out.
Irelevant what you personally think of Wayne Campbell the person, shouldnt be taken into account in considering Wayne Campbell the coach. Can tell you that he is a person of fantastic character with a burning desire to coach.
Yeah look at all the clubs lining up to give campbell a senior gig... NONE
Only club that ever rated him was richmond, which made him a lazy stats over team specialist. Just the kind of coach we need
He has milked this club and given back lots of 9th finishes. A senior player who more than once when we needed to win
the last H&A game to make the finals, threw in the towel. No burning desire as a player to play in finals, and will have none either as a coach.
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Anyone but Wallet.
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Jack, why do you think Campbell is the next coach?
What do you think he will or can bring to the position.
I have doubts about him as that sort of leader.
Firstly , he was bought back to the RFC for a reason. he still had a year left in his contract at Western Bulldogs which he needed to get released.
Wayne is a teriffic thinker of the game, some people might judge him by the way he played the game, but that shouldnt deter in what he can bring to the table in regards to coaching. If you assesed Alistair Clarkson the same way, he wouldnt have a coaching job. I would think that Brett Rattern would be a similar coach to a Wayne Campbell say.
May I say that the current coach hasnt really embraced the club.
I beleive we need a modern day thinker who will embrace the club.
We currently play football like basketball and we have a number of players who are currently restricted from playing there natural game. Wayne will embrace the concept of players playing there natural game in a team enviroment, currently we have players not playing there natural game with a team plan they have difficulty carrying out.
Irelevant what you personally think of Wayne Campbell the person, shouldnt be taken into account in considering Wayne Campbell the coach. Can tell you that he is a person of fantastic character with a burning desire to coach.
Why would we pick Campbell over someone like Hardwick - On the surface it looks like Hardwicks CV is a better CV in terms of having done a proper apprenticeship. Campbell is also seen by our supporters as a person who was part of pretty unsuccessful era in our clubs history. Does Campbell have the Gonads to retire the likes of Bowden and Johnson, Will he have the balls to get rid of blokes who will never take RFC forward. I dont think Hardwick would have any trouble putting a line through the non achievers.
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Ramps.
Johnson and Bowden last year.
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Jack, why do you think Campbell is the next coach?
What do you think he will or can bring to the position.
I have doubts about him as that sort of leader.
Firstly , he was bought back to the RFC for a reason. he still had a year left in his contract at Western Bulldogs which he needed to get released.
Wayne is a teriffic thinker of the game, some people might judge him by the way he played the game, but that shouldnt deter in what he can bring to the table in regards to coaching. If you assesed Alistair Clarkson the same way, he wouldnt have a coaching job. I would think that Brett Rattern would be a similar coach to a Wayne Campbell say.
May I say that the current coach hasnt really embraced the club.
I beleive we need a modern day thinker who will embrace the club.
We currently play football like basketball and we have a number of players who are currently restricted from playing there natural game. Wayne will embrace the concept of players playing there natural game in a team enviroment, currently we have players not playing there natural game with a team plan they have difficulty carrying out.
Irelevant what you personally think of Wayne Campbell the person, shouldnt be taken into account in considering Wayne Campbell the coach. Can tell you that he is a person of fantastic character with a burning desire to coach.
Yeah look at all the clubs lining up to give campbell a senior gig... NONE
Only club that ever rated him was richmond, which made him a lazy stats over team specialist. Just the kind of coach we need
He has milked this club and given back lots of 9th finishes. A senior player who more than once when we needed to win
the last H&A game to make the finals, threw in the towel. No burning desire as a player to play in finals, and will have none either as a coach.
Clubs werent queueing up for Clarkson or Rattern either..
As I said in my post, you need to look further than Wayne Campbell the player
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if wallace was to be sacked soon then I reckon sheeds would take over in a caretaker capacity under the guise of opening the field up post season. There is no way known that a rookie such as Cambo could be given reigns a month into the season...only other options would be McCrae or King ...Club seems to have set a precedent in listening to the masses and if the cards dont unfold to plan then I suspect the momentum will all be going in one direction. :'(
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You say you have to look past Campbell the player Jack, and I may be wrong here. But how can someone get the respect of the players he coaches to go hard 'which is something we need in our game' when he himself did not. It may only be subconsciously but it is there and is in the makeup of the team and plan.
I would be more inclined to take a punt on Hardwick, just for the plain fact that the team as a whole over the last 20-30 years needs to harden the F*^& up.
I wasn't going to go on this week, so that will do :banghead
:gotigers
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Jack, why do you think Campbell is the next coach?
What do you think he will or can bring to the position.
I have doubts about him as that sort of leader.
Firstly , he was bought back to the RFC for a reason. he still had a year left in his contract at Western Bulldogs which he needed to get released.
Wayne is a teriffic thinker of the game, some people might judge him by the way he played the game, but that shouldnt deter in what he can bring to the table in regards to coaching. If you assesed Alistair Clarkson the same way, he wouldnt have a coaching job. I would think that Brett Rattern would be a similar coach to a Wayne Campbell say.
May I say that the current coach hasnt really embraced the club.
I beleive we need a modern day thinker who will embrace the club.
We currently play football like basketball and we have a number of players who are currently restricted from playing there natural game. Wayne will embrace the concept of players playing there natural game in a team enviroment, currently we have players not playing there natural game with a team plan they have difficulty carrying out.
Irelevant what you personally think of Wayne Campbell the person, shouldnt be taken into account in considering Wayne Campbell the coach. Can tell you that he is a person of fantastic character with a burning desire to coach.
I thought you told us Sheeds would be next coach
I thought you told us you wanted Sheeds to be the next coach
What happened?
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Sheeds will be involved in some capacity. ;)
The current structure you would agree doesnt work as evident on thursday night.
Sheeds would mentor Wayne
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The problem Jacko is that Wayne Campbell has never come across as a hardened individual with leadership abilities to the point where he could lead the cavalry to success.
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Ramps.
Johnson and Bowden last year.
My view of this is that 1 of the 2 should have gone last year, now this may seem abit extreme, but Id pay them out now and open up a couple of spots in the team starting now.
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The problem Jacko is that Wayne Campbell has never come across as a hardened individual with leadership abilities to the point where he could lead the cavalry to success.
Can tell you this.
he has the personality to be succesful.
Forget about Wayne Campbell the player
I am talking about Wayne Campbell the person
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Campbell is also seen by our supporters as a person who was part of pretty unsuccessful era in our clubs history.
You could same the exact same for Tom Hafey, he played in one of richmonds most unsuccessfull areas, and he became the coach we all know.
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Campbell is also seen by our supporters as a person who was part of pretty unsuccessful era in our clubs history.
You could same the exact same for Tom Hafey, he played in one of richmonds most unsuccessfull areas, and he became the coach we all know.
Thats also true, but from reading club forums, it seems that the faithful want either a Matthews or Hardwick.
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Sheeds will be involved in some capacity. ;)
The current structure you would agree doesnt work as evident on thursday night.
Sheeds would mentor Wayne
Gee, all the carry on about Sheeds coaching us from you and now you've moved on as well
Hard to figure out, Jack :wallywink
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Sheeds will be involved in some capacity. ;)
The current structure you would agree doesnt work as evident on thursday night.
Sheeds would mentor Wayne
Gee, all the carry on about Sheeds coaching us from you and now you've moved on as well
Hard to figure out, Jack :wallywink
Well he went back didnt he?? More work to be done in upcoming months ;)
You might find the K.Sheedy will be involved a lot more ;) soon
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Well he went back didnt he?? More work to be done in upcoming months ;)
You might find the K.Sheedy will be involved a lot more ;) soon
Yeah he came back ..but you said coach or in the footy dept he aint there
Struth after 8 months thought you would have come up with better material and less of this ;) ;)
:rollin :rollin
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Well he went back didnt he?? More work to be done in upcoming months ;)
You might find the K.Sheedy will be involved a lot more ;) soon
Struth after 8 months you would have come up with better material and less of this ;) ;)
:rollin :rollin
;)
It's three years of this ;) WP lol
One day he'll be right and he can say I told you so :rollin
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LMAO@ Campbell coaching.
LMAO@ NEVER appointing a professional coach
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LMAO@ Campbell coaching.
LMAO@ NEVER appointing a professional coach
With Free on the board now, I bet this will happen though :help
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Well he went back didnt he?? More work to be done in upcoming months ;)
You might find the K.Sheedy will be involved a lot more ;) soon
Struth after 8 months you would have come up with better material and less of this ;) ;)
:rollin :rollin
;)
It's three years of this ;) WP lol
One day he'll be right and he can say I told you so :rollin
Glad to see you are all happy with what was dished up the other night, Go Tiges!
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Well he went back didnt he?? More work to be done in upcoming months ;)
You might find the K.Sheedy will be involved a lot more ;) soon
Struth after 8 months you would have come up with better material and less of this ;) ;)
:rollin :rollin
;)
It's three years of this ;) WP lol
One day he'll be right and he can say I told you so :rollin
Glad to see you are all happy with what was dished up the other night, Go Tiges!
Not at all Jack, but we don't want to make hasty decisions based on one night though do we?
Cambo might be a great choice years down the track, but he may also not be.
So you weigh up what's best for the club.
If Wallace doesn't work out after 8 weeks or so, do we go for the best coach available or an unknown?
Given the history of our club, do we want to crucify another former champion of this club just so you can say, I told you so?
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Clarkson may not have won a premiership as a player, but he was senior coach of a VFL premiership side and was assistant coach at an AFL premiership side.
Ratten was an AFL premiership player, but also hasn't won anything yet as a coach, even Grant Thomas could coach a side full of #1 draft picks into the finals.
Campbell has never been involved in ultimate success. How can you coach a side to a premiership if you've never even seen one at any level. He took a year out of the game after retirement and has been at the Bulldogs (who have just been making up the numbers in the 8 ) as an assistant coach. The guy has only seen finals in 3 years of his entire career (2 years @ Richmond, 1 @ Bulldogs)
If we were go for a rookie coach then Hardwick fits all the criteria, dual AFL premiership player & premiership AFL assistant coach. He's also a backman if you compare him to the positions played by most recent premiership coaches he fits that criteria too.
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This is getting boring....... gee lets drag it out until round 22... ::)
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I'm with infamy. Hardwick if we go for a rookie coach.
LMFAO at Campbell's one year coaching experience putting him up as a contender amongst the inbred Richmond clique. Same methodology they applied to Tony Free on the board with his 1 year business experience running a juice bar.
Malthouse is the one senior coach that can sort out the club, and the one AFL coach still going around that gets the best out of an average list. But it is way beyond the abilities of Gary March to pull that one off. He'll probably offer him a membership ambassador role in 10 years after he's finished coaching and the rest of the AFL doesnt want him.
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I'm with infamy. Hardwick if we go for a rookie coach.
LMFAO at Campbell's one year coaching experience putting him up as a contender amongst the inbred Richmond clique. Same methodology they applied to Tony Free on the board with his 1 year business experience running a juice bar.
Malthouse is the one senior coach that can sort out the club, and the one AFL coach still going around that gets the best out of an average list. But it is way beyond the abilities of Gary March to pull that one off. He'll probably offer him a membership ambassador role in 10 years after he's finished coaching and the rest of the AFL doesnt want him.
1980 is right
first pick is harwick, if not him malty or chocco for me
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Glad to see you are all happy with what was dished up the other night, Go Tiges!
Where were you hiding in the latter half of season 2008.
Were you supporting the tiges or posting on a demons forum somewhere about how crap Bailey is as a coach and pushing for regime change there.
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Glad to see you are all happy with what was dished up the other night, Go Tiges!
Where were you hiding in the latter half of season 2008.
Were you supporting the tiges or posting on a demons forum somewhere about how crap Bailey is as a coach and pushing for regime change there.
I actually havent posted for 6 months, thats means september 2008 by my maths.
You can support Terry at centrelink in a few weeks if you want ;)
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Glad to see you are all happy with what was dished up the other night, Go Tiges!
Where were you hiding in the latter half of season 2008.
Were you supporting the tiges or posting on a demons forum somewhere about how crap Bailey is as a coach and pushing for regime change there.
rubbish JACK
YOU STOPPED POSTING BEFORE THAT
MORE LIES FROM JACKSTAR ::)
I actually havent posted for 6 months, thats means september 2008 by my maths.
You can support Terry at centrelink in a few weeks if you want ;)
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Hardwick or Lethal id be happy with.
Dont really know where to put this quote so ill type it here.
"We want to improver all the time. At evert training drillif there is one kick that doesn't hit the target we start the drill again"
Sam Mitchell Hawks Captain.
Thats the quote of a premership captain who is part of a team who doesn't accept 15 metre kicks who dont hit their targets.
Anyone see jackson's 3 metre kick that resulted in a goal to the blues.
My god what a joke that guy is. Tough guy who we need, but he is a very average footballer
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Glad to see you are all happy with what was dished up the other night, Go Tiges!
I understand you are bit rusty ;D
So I will explain this one more time from my perspective.
I am anything but happy with what was "dished up the other night"; far from it.
It was a pathetic, deplorable, unacceptable, shameful, insipid effort that embarrassed the entire Richmond Football Club
It has gutted alot of people
But I will not sit at this keyboard and blame one person and one person only for it. I blame the 22 blokes who ran out on the ground the blokes sitting up in the coaches box. They are all to blame can I make it any clearer
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its not about dropped marks or poor skills.
All players can kick to a teammate and hit them lace up from 30-40 metres away. FACT
its about this.
They try and kick or handball through traffic . Problem is that we are too predictable and the oppposition sit on our players.
We always kick short in D50 and its usually in congestion.
The game plan is to get teammates close to the ball carrier , thus the possesion is more likely to be a short possesion, in turn the opposition are drawn to the contest, thus its near impossible to have clean possesions and therefore cant release. Thus we turn it over
Supporters and media say its poor skiils, in my opinion , very poor game plan that the current group of players cannot perform.
We need to spread at contests and not be drawn to contests, as in close and tight, the likes of McMahon and Edwards are usually pushed aside. Also the game plan is flawed as it is near impossible to excute anyway, (kicking through traffic )
by the way,
wayne campbell is our next coach. ;)
I agree totally with this thread- our game plan is poo. It's our players playing this shyt style of footy but this is how we are coached to play. We in our defensive 50 never look forward for an option first, it's always sideways or backward. We never give our forwards a chance to be one out. Watching last nights game the Hawks just run as hard as they can, tackle as hard as they can, and kick the ball long and put faith in each other to win the contest. And at no time do they GIVE UP, regards of the scoreboard. They make it look pretty simple!
Sure we won some games late last year but that is last year and to be totally honest with you, teams (not in finals contention) towards the end of the year maybe don't try as hard as they would earlier in the year, putting players in for ops early or playing kids maybe not quite ready (darft picks in mind and all). So saying that i wouldn't give TW too many pats on the back for those wins late last year.
Now i am a pretty black and white sort of person so the other thing that gets to me is people saying how we have a history of sacking coaches, so f@#king what! There is no coach that has been sacked that didn't deserve it. And i think TW time is just about up. The other night for me in front of 90,000 people, round 1, has just cemented what i already knew. Terry Wallace cannot coach
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Glad to see you are all happy with what was dished up the other night, Go Tiges!
Where were you hiding in the latter half of season 2008.
Were you supporting the tiges or posting on a demons forum somewhere about how crap Bailey is as a coach and pushing for regime change there.
rubbish JACK
YOU STOPPED POSTING BEFORE THAT
MORE LIES FROM JACKSTAR ::)
Hey Blaisee
i actually stopped posting 6 months ago.
Someone else is posting under Jackstar , FACT
Regards
Jamie.
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Odds are Kevin Sheedy won't coach
Rod Nicholson | March 28, 2009
CORPORATE bookmaker Centrebet is betting against former Tiger great and Essendon coaching legend Kevin Sheedy taking over as Richmond coach this season.
Sheedy's odds are $13 to coach Richmond before Round 12; $8 to assume the role between Round 12 to 22 and $1.14 not to coach the Tigers at all in 2009.
The bookmaker, however, does not provide odds about incumbent Terry Wallace (left) surviving his fifth season at Tigerland.
Wallace's position is under pressure following season finishes of 12th, ninth, 16th and ninth, especially after Richmond was thrashed by Carlton by 83 points in the season opener at the MCG on Thursday, and with a trip to Geelong's Skilled Stadium on Saturday.
The bookmaker does not have a connection with the AFL, which forbids their bookmaking agents from betting on a coach's prospects.
Sheedy has coached 635 games.
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/sport/afl/story/0,26547,25257816-5016212,00.html
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its not about dropped marks or poor skills.
All players can kick to a teammate and hit them lace up from 30-40 metres away. FACT
its about this.
They try and kick or handball through traffic . Problem is that we are too predictable and the oppposition sit on our players.
We always kick short in D50 and its usually in congestion.
The game plan is to get teammates close to the ball carrier , thus the possesion is more likely to be a short possesion, in turn the opposition are drawn to the contest, thus its near impossible to have clean possesions and therefore cant release. Thus we turn it over
Supporters and media say its poor skiils, in my opinion , very poor game plan that the current group of players cannot perform.
We need to spread at contests and not be drawn to contests, as in close and tight, the likes of McMahon and Edwards are usually pushed aside. Also the game plan is flawed as it is near impossible to excute anyway, (kicking through traffic )
by the way,
wayne campbell is our next coach. ;)
I agree totally with this thread- our game plan is poo. It's our players playing this shyt style of footy but this is how we are coached to play. We in our defensive 50 never look forward for an option first, it's always sideways or backward. We never give our forwards a chance to be one out. Watching last nights game the Hawks just run as hard as they can, tackle as hard as they can, and kick the ball long and put faith in each other to win the contest. And at no time do they GIVE UP, regards of the scoreboard. They make it look pretty simple!
Sure we won some games late last year but that is last year and to be totally honest with you, teams (not in finals contention) towards the end of the year maybe don't try as hard as they would earlier in the year, putting players in for ops early or playing kids maybe not quite ready (darft picks in mind and all). So saying that i wouldn't give TW too many pats on the back for those wins late last year.
Now i am a pretty black and white sort of person so the other thing that gets to me is people saying how we have a history of sacking coaches, so f@#king what! There is no coach that has been sacked that didn't deserve it. And i think TW time is just about up. The other night for me in front of 90,000 people, round 1, has just cemented what i already knew. Terry Wallace cannot coach
Your right there about the face he can't coach.
I judge a coach on our performances and he is not up to it.
NO FINALS AND STILL CANT BEAT TOP 8 SIDES. FACT!!
OUR SKILL LEVEL IS AS BAD AS IT WAS WHEN HE FIRST ARRIVED...FACT!!
OUR RELIANCE IS STILL ON A 34 YEAR OLD. FACT!!
OUR FAILURE TO STOP TEAMS FROM DOING COAST TO COAST HAS NOT CHANGED SINCE THE DAY HE ARRIVED. FACT!!
OUR RECRUITING HAS BEEN PATHETIC TO SAY THE LEAST. FACT!!
can anyone seriously on this site say with a straight face our skill level has improved under this clown??
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So whose going to takeover when the inevitable occurs. Will it be an experienced big name coach or an untested coach. Tell us what you think!
what a useless thread.
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So whose going to takeover when the inevitable occurs. Will it be an experienced big name coach or an untested coach. Tell us what you think!
what a useless thread.
My useless thread has had over 70 replies and the best you can do is "what a useless thread" Common Gordy you can do better than that surely. :lol
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So whose going to takeover when the inevitable occurs. Will it be an experienced big name coach or an untested coach. Tell us what you think!
I think Adam Simpson. He'll get to play another year at North and then have a couple of years as an assistant somewhere before Wallace goes in 3 or 4 years time.
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My useless thread has had over 70 replies and the best you can do is "what a useless thread" Common Gordy you can do better than that surely. :lol
Yeah but dont you have to take out the replies where we have been bagging each other, that should cut it down by half.
I think BB had a thread about Hislop that was either a 100 pages or 1000 replies, real good value that one
I think Adam Simpson. He'll get to play another year at North and then have a couple of years as an assistant somewhere before Wallace goes in 3 or 4 years time.
:lol
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...we have a number of players who are currently restricted from playing there natural game....
Remember when Foley used to burst out of the centre, take a couple of bounces and kick a goal....
Ah the good old days....
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Whatever happens Buckley now saying he wants to coach to next year will put pressure on the clubs who have coaches coming out of contract to make a final call on their coach early on. Especially at Collingwood. We could have a NRL situation where by rounds 11-15 this year we'll know who will be coaching who in 2010.
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I think Adam Simpson. He'll get to play another year at North and then have a couple of years as an assistant somewhere before Wallace goes in 3 or 4 years time.
Hey FF I dont think we want some wannabe film producer in charge of our clubs players
http://www.livenews.com.au/sport/afl/afl-pair-own-up-to-chicken-sex-video/2009/4/9/202302
Senior North Melbourne players Adam Simpson and Daniel Pratt have admitted their leading role in producing a tasteless video condemned as degrading...
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So whose going to takeover when the inevitable occurs. Will it be an experienced big name coach or an untested coach. Tell us what you think!
what a useless thread.
Yep useless thread Gordy Boy! Another one of your classics right there I see. Maybe you want Wallace back or maybe you just wanted us to go with Rawlings ;D
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So whose going to takeover when the inevitable occurs. Will it be an experienced big name coach or an untested coach. Tell us what you think!
what a useless thread.
Yep useless thread Gordy Boy! Another one of your classics right there I see. Maybe you want Wallace back or maybe you just wanted us to go with Rawlings ;D
How on earth can you take a comment made in March 2009 and start debating it now? You a bit bored Ramps?
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So whose going to takeover when the inevitable occurs. Will it be an experienced big name coach or an untested coach. Tell us what you think!
what a useless thread.
Yep useless thread Gordy Boy! Another one of your classics right there I see. Maybe you want Wallace back or maybe you just wanted us to go with Rawlings ;D
How on earth can you take a comment made in March 2009 and start debating it now? You a bit bored Ramps?
Nah - Just showing Gordy how you quote someone properly- he aint very good at it. ;D
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...and a very interesting read at that.
Some posters were full of it back then.
Still full of it I think.
:thumbsup
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You say you have to look past Campbell the player Jack, and I may be wrong here. But how can someone get the respect of the players he coaches to go hard 'which is something we need in our game' when he himself did not. It may only be subconsciously but it is there and is in the makeup of the team and plan.
I would be more inclined to take a punt on Hardwick, just for the plain fact that the team as a whole over the last 20-30 years needs to harden the F*^& up.
I wasn't going to go on this week, so that will do :banghead
:gotigers
YAY me :clapping Actually not too bad most of us!