Next Richmond Coach Preference

[1965]

Campbell with Sheeds as mentor.

Round 12

[Ramps]

effing discusting thread this is, how the eff do you sleep, was the coach the one turning the ball over???????????????

No he wasnt but he has had over 4 years to show improvement and last night was tragic. Second, if we look at the development of Hawthorn and now Carlton then this coaching panel has no excuses. Im sorry but the thread stays and it stays because

- We picked the wrong team last night
- Our disposal of the footy was diabolical
- No one understands the game plan- Is there one?
- The younger players havent developed
- We have wasted good picks on players like McMahon

etc etc

I sleep easily my friend, Ive followed this club since I was a toddler, I am a member, I contributed to club raffles, Put money in tins, and made donations to the Jack Dyer Foundation- money that in reality I couldnt afford to give but I did because Richmond means alot to me and clearly thats not the case with alot of people including some of the players at Punt Rd.

To all the apologists for mediocrity who want this thread pulled. Tell me what is wrong with the criticisms made. Tell me where I have lied or said a falsehood. Going on last night can any of you provide a decent and honest based opinion of what we saw last night. Some of you guys need to get serious. Our clubs going get into awful strife if this goes on much longer.

[julzqld]

I'd be happy with someone who has a game plan that the players can follow.  No short kicks, sideways or backwards that allows the opposition to go forward.  More tackling!  Less predictability that keeps the opposition guessing.  Maybe even an incentive or punishment for missed shots at goals.

[Chuck17]

I am not a fan of this thread but do not want it pulled as supporters have a right to express opinions.

Personally as a player I never blamed the coach, if my team played crap I blamed the only person whose game I could definitely change, ie myself.

  Maybe even an incentive or punishment for missed shots at goals.

Stick them in the cheer squad 

[Con65]

Con what did you expect mate. Come on people are upset and angry including myself.

I got 2 memberships this year FOR MYSELF, because i generally very excited about this club in 2009...Again

i was looking forward to something and after last night im not sure what to think.

Its the biggest kick in the guts i have received from this club, probabably ever. The Cats loss was out Wooden Spoon year.

I agree he didn't drop the marks or miss the goals but something is not right with him.

They dont listen and his development of players is up there with any coach that has graced our club throughout the last 27 years

Daniel, you may well be right in that the players are not listening...i dont know..i am not down at the club every day or every week for that matter.
Like you I was simply gobsmacked that the players went out and put on such a performance.
I sat in my seat M54 HH seat 9 for the whole of the game...

But to start a thread about who should be the next coach after 1 game is just more of Eat there Own.

If we turn the half way mark say 4 - 7 and a crap percentage...then Wallace and March may meet and come out and say the gig is up...Wallace to coach out the year and no contract extension...but if we are 6-5 at mid point...then it is a different story...

Dont forget we won 8 out of last 11 games last year...

For me the disappointing stat is the tackle count...that simply shows lack of effort and desire...54 tackles to 80 is a massive difference ...especially the lack of tackles in our forward 50...

Let the knives come out at the half way mark...after round 1 it is simply a knee-jerk negative reaction and counter productive.

Even the media hasnt started the feeding frenzy on Wallace yet....so why should we supporters who all bleed yellow and black start eating our own?

[wayne]

I agree that this is a disgraceful thread.

Do you people honestly think Wallace told:
a) Simmo and McGuane to drop marks leading to opposition goals;
b) Lids to kick it over someones head to an opposition forward;
c) Richo to stand there while Waite ran off him kicking 3 goals;
d) Foley to concede a stupid 50metre penalty;
e) Richo, Riew, Simmo and Sarge to miss set shots on goal?

Wallace and his assistants train these guys Con.

They are meant to teach them how to hit a target, man up and apply defensive pressure, take marks and kick for goal.  

[Chuck17]

Wallace and his assistants train these guys Con.

They are meant to teach them how to hit a target, man up and apply defensive pressure, take marks and kick for goal.  

As a player you should be taking the responsibility on yourself as a player to be the best you can and perform these things.

Any player who cant do the above mentioned things and blames the coach is kidding themselves as to whose fault it is.  Supporters blaming the coach for thing is just as short sighted, coaches only provide the stuff the rest is up to the player

[wayne]

I understand Chuck.

Why don't the players want to be the best they can?

Round 1, sell out crowd, why would you need anymore incentive?

Meanwhile, Ratten has guys like Cloke, Wiggins, Houlihan putting their life on the line for their club.

[WilliamPowell]

I agree that this is a disgraceful thread.

Do you people honestly think Wallace told:
a) Simmo and McGuane to drop marks leading to opposition goals;
b) Lids to kick it over someones head to an opposition forward;
c) Richo to stand there while Waite ran off him kicking 3 goals;
d) Foley to concede a stupid 50metre penalty;
e) Richo, Riew, Simmo and Sarge to miss set shots on goal?

You mean he didn't tell 'em to do that  

Moderators please pull this thread - it is only negative and further destabilising.

Pull it because it is negative...

I am not sure it is destabilising either, to me it's just another thread where people are venting

Look I don't like it and think it's a tad over the top but not breaching the rules

As a player you should be taking the responsibility on yourself as a player to be the best you can and perform these things.

Any player who cant do the above mentioned things and blames the coach is kidding themselves as to whose fault it is.  Supporters blaming the coach for thing is just as short sighted, coaches only provide the stuff the rest is up to the player

Exactly, as a boss (and I am one) you can only do so much training & tecahing, then the staff (in this players) have to go out and excecute those instructions... our players didn't do that

As I said on another thread, head kick the coach if he deserves it but to spare our players for their insipdi effort last night is unforgiveable

[Chuck17]

Why don't the players want to be the best they can?

Round 1, sell out crowd, why would you need anymore incentive?

Meanwhile, Ratten has guys like Cloke, Wiggins, Houlihan putting their life on the line for their club.

Fair enough I know where you are going and if it is an ongoing thing then yes either something is destabilising our players linked to the coaches or our recruiting is totally wrong.  In this case something definitely needs to be done.

However one game isnt enough to start calling for coaches heads, our last half of the seaon in 2008 was good.  The Blues were not an overly good side last night, Fev was out of sorts and we still got trounced.  I am hoping it was the hype and expectations that got our coaches and players heads in the clouds and out of the reality of playing football.

The test for me will be in the next few weeks to see how we bounce back after being brought back down to earth with a thud.

[WilliamPowell]

Con what did you expect mate. Come on people are upset and angry including myself.

I got 2 memberships this year FOR MYSELF, because i generally very excited about this club in 2009...Again

i was looking forward to something and after last night im not sure what to think.

Its the biggest kick in the guts i have received from this club, probabably ever. The Cats loss was out Wooden Spoon year.

I agree he didn't drop the marks or miss the goals but something is not right with him.

They dont listen and his development of players is up there with any coach that has graced our club throughout the last 27 years

Daniel that is one your best post ever 

[bojangles17]

Im certain that if the cards dont fall into place that changes will be made soon, I suspect that sheeds would be a caretaker for balance of 2008. We have invested plenty into this season, i dont believe that March would be prepared to trash it if we were 0-3 and continue on a road to nowhere

[Rodgerramjet]

Any one of Hardwick, Matthews or Sheedy

Make Sheedy the President and Hardwick the coach, could be a good combo Ramps.

[Jackstar is back]

its not about dropped  marks or poor skills.
All players can kick to a teammate and hit them lace up from 30-40 metres away. FACT
its about this.
They try and kick or handball through traffic . Problem is that we are too predictable and the oppposition sit on our players.
We always kick short in D50 and its usually in congestion.
The game plan is too get teammates close to the ball carrier , thus the possesion is more likely to be a short possesion, in turn the opposition are drawn to the contest, thus its near impossible to have clean possesions and therefore cant release. Thus we turn it over
Supporters and media say its poor skiils, in my opinion , very poor game plan that the current group of players cannot perform.
We need to spread at contests and not be drawn to contests, as in close and tight, the likes of McMahon and Edwards are usually pushed  aside. Also the game plan is flawed as it is near impossible to excute anyway, (kicking through traffic )
by the way,
wayne campbell is our next coach.

[Rodgerramjet]

Jack, why do you think Campbell is the next coach?

What do you think he will or can bring to the position.

I have doubts about him as that sort of leader.