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Graham stands tall for Tigers
richmondfc.com.au
By Mic Cullen 10:42 AM Sun 26 April, 2009
ANGUS Graham's AFL career is just getting off the ground, but his performance on Saturday night was a big step forward.
Despite being beaten in the ruck by North Melbourne’s Hamish McIntosh, Graham was serviceable at ball-ups, and strong and persistent in his around-the-ground work as the Tigers powered to their first win of the season.
His quicksilver in-and-out handball to fellow newbie Andy Collins for a significant goal late in the third term showed good skills and decision-making for a 200cm 22-year-old, and his second efforts at ground level were effective all night.
With regular ruckman Troy Simmonds dropped, Graham was teamed with fellow youngster Adam Pattison, and he said he knew he needed to step up into the responsibility of leading the ruck in just his sixth game of AF football.
"We've had a rough month, as everyone knows, so we just had to go out there and put it all on the line," he said after the game.
"Simmo was out, so I had to step up ... I've been in the system for a while; I've been waiting a long time for a bit of extra responsibility and a chance, so I just had to go out there have a real red-hot go."
Graham said he was happy with his night's work even if he was outpointed from a statistical point of view.
"Obviously [McIntosh] beat me, and I've got a bit of work to do, but it's a good start.
"My ruckwork has been a bit up-and-down, and my second efforts haven't been a strong point ... I've been working on them so I can have an impact all the time."
Coach Terry Wallace was obviously thrilled after the game with the Tigers finally getting a win on the board, and one of the players he was most happy with was Graham.
"I was really pleased with him – Hamish McIntosh has been in very, very good form early in the year and has really been a standout for the opposition," Wallace said.
"I thought Angus applied himself really well and was a very good player for us tonight.
"I think that's his best game that he's played with us.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/75646/default.aspx
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I was also very impressed with both the efforts of our young ruckmen. Simmo better step up because suddenly he is not so irreplacable... :shh
Stripes
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Gus was able to nullify Hamish McIntosh so our mids could win the clearances and his work and linking around the ground was good but he's got a big test next week against Jolly who showed against Hawthorn a couple of weeks back that he can dominate against inexperienced ruckmen. At the SCG who dominates the centre clearances wins the game.
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Graham (22 yoa)
Pattison (23 yoa) [drafted 04]
Browne (18 yoa)
Vickery (18 yoa)
Putt (20 yoa)
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Simmo
looks fairly well rounded, these days.
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Gus was able to nullify Hamish McIntosh so our mids could win the clearances and his work and linking around the ground was good but he's got a big test next week against Jolly who showed against Hawthorn a couple of weeks back that he can dominate against inexperienced ruckmen. At the SCG who dominates the centre clearances wins the game.
Jolly was smashing Renouf.
But alot of the rucking was Jolly vs. Roughead/Franklin etc.and he was smashing them.
Graham is a huge bloke and will give more of a contest rather than those pus$ies who did not have a go
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Graham (22 yoa)
Pattison (23 yoa) [drafted 04]
Browne (18 yoa)
Vickery (18 yoa)
Putt (20 yoa)
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Simmo
looks fairly well rounded, these days.
I notice Putt has been in the Coburg 2's best for the past couple of weeks. Good early signs - I've never seen him play but a call up to the Coburg seniors would be interesting to see what he's got.
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Graham it seems is starting to prove me wrong, still a mongo but going OK.
Simmo's stats looked OK but he pulled off some shockers at Box Hill Sat, feeling the game may have passed simmo by :(
BrownE is a monster, only 18 so really could be anything if he can actually play a bit, wont know for a few years yet!
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Gus played pretty well today -Kicked well for goal and i liked the way he did not back away from Hall when it got a bit willing. :thumbsup
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agree mopsy
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Agree Mopsy. Yep Gus got under Hall's skin lol.
Gus gave our forward line some structure just before and after half-time.
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Yep went forward and kicked 2 goals and could have kicked a third in the last.
Would have like to have seen him break a few of O'Keefes ribs when he marked across in front of him in the third quarter when it seemed Angus was in the box seat.
Needs more mongrel but he is doing okay.
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Best game I've seen Gus play
I am one of his biggest critics but ...
Well done Gus :clapping
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He has improved out of sight since the first game I saw him play this year. If he keeps improving as he has done so far then he will be very serviceable by the end of this season. The Graham/Pattison combination has been our most competitive of all so far. I would even consider playing Simmonds as a permanent forward next week in Richo's absence, just to mix things up and keep the opposition guessing - he certainly has the capacity to fill the role temporarily while we remain competitive in the ruck.
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He spreads from a contest better than most of our midfielders.
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gus beat jolly hands down, thats a great scalp
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Gus showing there's life in our ruck stocks after Simmo :clapping
Graham: the Tigers' silver lining
BY Alex Fair
12/05/2009
ONE of the few positives that can be found from the disaster that is Richmond's season has been the development of King Island ruckman Angus Graham, and this was evident at the MCG on Saturday as the Tigers lost to Brisbane.
Taking advantage of the Lions' limited ruck options, 22-year-old Graham was the dominant big-man on the ground, finishing with 21 hit- outs, six tackles, 19 disposals and eight marks.
He was also able to push forward and kick a goal following a contested mark in the second quarter, indicating he may be able to help the Tigers' forward structure in the absence of Matthew Richardson.
http://www.examiner.com.au/news/local/sport/general/graham-the-tigers39-silver-lining/1510247.aspx
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big angus has been a big plus of the year.
He is tall strong and aggressive. He is a great runner and picks the right options.
Tremendous for the tigers hopefully he keeps improving as structurally it will allow Tyrone Vickery to develop as a key forward.
Great example of the reason why a rookie pick every year should be invested in an 18 yr old ruckman
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This is another player that everyone..... well some of the usuall suspects were calling for to be de-listed. I for one have always backed him in and he is doing great, keep it up big fella.
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How is the big fellow on the lead? We need a forward desperately and if Simmo and Pattison/Browne(elevated for Richo) can hold down the ruck for the rest of the year we could at least have a tall target....Do like his run around the ground though. :-\
Stripes
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i seen a pic of him in the hands of the trainers can someone elborate on this :pray
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He got cramp. Looked worse than it was.
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i seen a pic of him in the hands of the trainers can someone elborate on this :pray
Was pretty funny actually, at the game I didn't know what was going on so was a bit worried.
Later on found out they explained it as full body cramp, 'I think that means cramped in both hammies' at the same time.
On the replay it shows him by himself in the middle he does a 360 and goes down, just collapsed.
Came back on later so would say just getting used to the workrate at the top level and no lasting effects.
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He got cramp. Looked worse than it was.
I am not surprised he is obviously playing at levels he hasnt played at before.
I was stunned by his performance on the weekend, he actually looked like a quality ruckman and has got better every week for the last few.
In what I thought was our biggest deficiency there is now a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel, but for the rest...hmmmm
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i seen a pic of him in the hands of the trainers can someone elborate on this :pray
Was pretty funny actually, at the game I didn't know what was going on so was a bit worried.
Later on found out they explained it as full body cramp, 'I think that means cramped in both hammies' at the same time.
On the replay it shows him by himself in the middle he does a 360 and goes down, just collapsed.
Came back on later so would say just getting used to the workrate at the top level and no lasting effects.
There's something really unco looking about a 200cm+ person floundering around on the ground. Wasn't funny at the time since it looked like he did a knee but thinking back on it knowing it was only cramp makes it effing hilarious. lol. Not for Gus of course. OUCH!
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Angus is now making a mockery of the pre sreason statment that Simmo was the most important player to our structure.He is kicking goals while resting forward like all good ruckmen do....Well done Angus.
Can anyone can think of a bigger positive to come out of this 2009 nightmare than this bloke ?
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always had faith in gus , his foot injury really set him back but he will make it and its good timing 4 us
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Angus is now making a mockery of the pre sreason statment that Simmo was the most important player to our structure.He is kicking goals while resting forward like all good ruckmen do....Well done Angus.
Can anyone can think of a bigger positive to come out of this 2009 nightmare than this bloke ?
Agree Mat. I saw him in the Brisbane practice match and he was terrible - BrownE beat him hands down - and I wouldn't have given you 2 bob for his worth. To his great credit he has improved greatly in every game and with the possibility that BrownE will also prove to be good and Pattison still improving then we aren't as destitute for ruck options as we once thought. Plus we have another kid in Putt who may still come on.
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Can anyone can think of a bigger positive to come out of this 2009 nightmare than this bloke ?
Bigger?, I think more like only positive.
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Can anyone can think of a bigger positive to come out of this 2009 nightmare than this bloke ?
Bigger?, I think more like only positive.
I was trying not to sound too negative Chuck....Sad that we could write the whole list of positives on the back of a stamp at the moment :help
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has been fantastic and continuing to build on the conmfidence he must have extracted from the swans game...has much too offer BIG GUS :thumbsup
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How is the big fellow on the lead? We need a forward desperately and if Simmo and Pattison/Browne(elevated for Richo) can hold down the ruck for the rest of the year we could at least have a tall target....Do like his run around the ground though. :-\
Stripes
You obviously did not watch the game against Sydney.
Mopsy
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How is the big fellow on the lead? We need a forward desperately and if Simmo and Pattison/Browne(elevated for Richo) can hold down the ruck for the rest of the year we could at least have a tall target....Do like his run around the ground though. :-\
Stripes
You obviously did not watch the game against Sydney.
Mopsy
So whats the answer :D
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How is the big fellow on the lead? We need a forward desperately and if Simmo and Pattison/Browne(elevated for Richo) can hold down the ruck for the rest of the year we could at least have a tall target....Do like his run around the ground though. :-\
Stripes
You obviously did not watch the game against Sydney.
Mopsy
So whats the answer :D
Didn't you see him lead out, take the mark in front of his body and kick the two goals either.
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How is the big fellow on the lead? We need a forward desperately and if Simmo and Pattison/Browne(elevated for Richo) can hold down the ruck for the rest of the year we could at least have a tall target....Do like his run around the ground though. :-\
Stripes
You obviously did not watch the game against Sydney.
Mopsy
So whats the answer :D
Didn't you see him lead out, take the mark in front of his body and kick the two goals either.
Thanks for you valued input Mopsy.
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How is the big fellow on the lead? We need a forward desperately and if Simmo and Pattison/Browne(elevated for Richo) can hold down the ruck for the rest of the year we could at least have a tall target....Do like his run around the ground though. :-\
Stripes
You obviously did not watch the game against Sydney.
Mopsy
So whats the answer :D
Didn't you see him lead out, take the mark in front of his body and kick the two goals either.
Thanks for you valued input Mopsy.
Your welcome any time Stripes :thumbsup
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Gus is showing how important a full preseason is for the bigger blokes. That broken foot/ankle at the end of 2007 stuffed up his 2008 season. I'm a lot less concerned about our rucks stocks and replacing Simmo thanks to Gus, Browne and Vickery. They're still young and it will take a few years for them to mature fully but we can now focus on other more critical deficient areas such as big key forwards to add size down the spine and straighten us up.
There haven't been many positives this year but Gus along with Polo, Rance and Collo have at least improved.
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Gus is showing how important a full preseason is for the bigger blokes. That broken foot/ankle at the end of 2007 stuffed up his 2008 season. I'm a lot less concerned about our rucks stocks and replacing Simmo thanks to Gus, Browne and Vickery. They're still young and it will take a few years for them to mature fully but we can now focus on other more critical deficient areas such as big key forwards to add size down the spine and straighten us up.
There haven't been many positives this year but Gus along with Polo, Rance and Collo have at least improved.
I thought in the two games he played in 2007 (one half playing on with the injury)he showed enough to warrant perserverence from the club and that is now coming to fruition. A lot of good players have come from Assumption College in my 68 years of following the game.
As for Browne I watched him at coburg playing against the cats and i am of the opinion he will hold his own at afl level.
Vickery also should be given some senior games this year as part of his development.
These young players are seeing some of their fellow draftees who they have grown up with, already doing well at the top level ( admittitdly smaller players) doing well at top level and should be given some time there for the good of their own moral
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I thought in the two games he played in 2007 (one half playing on with the injury)he showed enough to warrant perserverence from the club and that is now coming to fruition. A lot of good players have come from Assumption College in my 68 years of following the game.
As for Browne I watched him at coburg playing against the cats and i am of the opinion he will hold his own at afl level.
Vickery also should be given some senior games this year as part of his development.
These young players are seeing some of their fellow draftees who they have grown up with, already doing well at the top level ( admittitdly smaller players) doing well at top level and should be given some time there for the good of their own moral
I agree on all 3 counts Mopsy. People forget Gus has just turned 22. Ruckmen usually take longer than any other player to develop and don't reach their peak until their mid-late 20s. There was always talent there as you rightly point out Mopsy in late 2007 but the broken ankle/foot against Geelong at KP wiped out his preseason and stuffed up 2008 for him.
Vickery I would say would've had a chance to make his debut this week or the next if he didn't have an absolute shocker against Casey :-\. He had a great game for Coburg the week before but probably needed to back it up to make the match committee sit up and take notice. Although I would like to see Ty play alongside another tall plus Jack just for team structural reasons to give us tall options up forward to kick long too rather than the short chip chip chip garbage we are playing now, it's no big deal in the long-term if he spends the whole of 2009 in the Coburg firsts. It didn't do Rance any harm last year. Melbourne are doing the same with Watts.
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Well, I'm not usually into blowing my own trumpet but I have always though Gus was a good un' as per my report on the Tigers Swans Trial game in 2007
As you all know we fielded a very young side but I must say that several of our young guys played superbly with two notable standouts..Jake King and Angus Graham.
King play Back pocket for most of the match and showed composure in all situations. He gave us drive from the last line of defence and often seemed to get out of impossible situations with aplomb. He always seemed to take the correct option. He played pretty loose but very effective.
Angus was also fantastic. He looks and plays a bit like simmo and IMO (unlike that Age idiot) he had the points over his more fancied opponents jolly & everitt. He also booted 2 very good goals from set shots 40 out. For mine..I think he's ready or at least thereabouts.
One thing I also reported on that day was that turnovers killed us and were directly responsible for us losing the game. :rollin
On a side note, if anyone wants to see what 2 years in the system can do to a body, take a look at this pic I took of Luke McGuane back then.
(http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/1347/p3030116xj2.th.jpg)
(http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p3030116xj2.jpg)
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Well, I'm not usually into blowing my own trumpet but I have always though Gus was a good un' as per my report on the Tigers Swans Trial game in 2007
As you all know we fielded a very young side but I must say that several of our young guys played superbly with two notable standouts..Jake King and Angus Graham.
King play Back pocket for most of the match and showed composure in all situations. He gave us drive from the last line of defence and often seemed to get out of impossible situations with aplomb. He always seemed to take the correct option. He played pretty loose but very effective.
Angus was also fantastic. He looks and plays a bit like simmo and IMO (unlike that Age idiot) he had the points over his more fancied opponents jolly & everitt. He also booted 2 very good goals from set shots 40 out. For mine..I think he's ready or at least thereabouts.
One thing I also reported on that day was that turnovers killed us and were directly responsible for us losing the game. :rollin
On a side note, if anyone wants to see what 2 years in the system can do to a body, take a look at this pic I took of Luke McGuane back then.
(http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/1347/p3030116xj2.th.jpg)
(http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p3030116xj2.jpg)
It was Millers foresight that kept him at the club via the rookie club, :thumbsup a big thank you to those who participated
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One thing I also reported on that day was that turnovers killed us and were directly responsible for us losing the game. :rollin
At least we're consistenly inconsistent ;D
ps. Hope you had a good one for your birthday this week tiga :cheers :birthday
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Well, I'm not usually into blowing my own trumpet but I have always though Gus was a good un' as per my report on the Tigers Swans Trial game in 2007
As you all know we fielded a very young side but I must say that several of our young guys played superbly with two notable standouts..Jake King and Angus Graham.
King play Back pocket for most of the match and showed composure in all situations. He gave us drive from the last line of defence and often seemed to get out of impossible situations with aplomb. He always seemed to take the correct option. He played pretty loose but very effective.
Angus was also fantastic. He looks and plays a bit like simmo and IMO (unlike that Age idiot) he had the points over his more fancied opponents jolly & everitt. He also booted 2 very good goals from set shots 40 out. For mine..I think he's ready or at least thereabouts.
Hey Tiga, dont worry about the one you got right, what about Jake King. Whats doing there, you get a 50% pass mark just like Wallace got last year from March. (Just jokes by the way :thumbsup)
McGuane still got those chicken legs but at least he has bulked up on the top half.
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One thing I also reported on that day was that turnovers killed us and were directly responsible for us losing the game. :rollin
At least we're consistenly inconsistent ;D
ps. Hope you had a good one for your birthday this week tiga :cheers :birthday
Thanks MT :cheers As with all midweek Birthdays, a quiet one, but I intend to make up for it on the weekend!
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Gus's greatest strength is he really stands up in the contest, rarely is he outmuscled...This means if he fails to get a mit to it then it's a struggle for his opponent to assert himself...we have genuinely improved our clearance work in last fortnight...just a bloody shame there's no-one on the end of all the hard work :-\
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Graham takes path less travelled
richmondfc.com.au
By Mic Cullen | Fri 02 October, 2009
IT'S BEEN a rocky road to the AFL for Angus Graham.
Since making the move from King Island in the Bass Strait – where they have just three footy teams, so you get a bye every third week – he's played school footy, gone into the TAC Cup, been rookie listed, elevated, injured and send back the VFL to recover, and moved into the number one ruck spot for the Tigers.
Graham was elevated for 2007, but broke his ankle towards the end of that year. His subsequent lack of fitness meant no AFL for 2008.
Still just 22, Graham played 16 games in 2009, missing several due to hamstring tightness and a desire by the Tigers to protect his young body.
He also averaged 14 hit-outs (the same as Troy Simmonds), nine disposals and – importantly – three tackles a game in 2009 as he grabbed the number-one ruck spot for the Tigers.
However, despite consolidating his position in the Tigers best 22, Graham wasn't getting too excited by 2009.
"I suppose I've had an OK year, considering," he told richmondfc.com.au.
"Given the year I've come off, the year before, I've learned a lot of things and I'll take a lot into next year."
But 2010 is something he's looking forward to getting into.
"I'm pretty excited, obviously – a new coach, new structures, I'm not sure what to expect.
"There's a bit of excitement, I think, with everyone.
"We've had a little taste of the preseason and that was OK – pre-season's always a hard time of year, but exciting at the same time.
"You get fit, and this year I think we're going to learn new things, and overall the players look like they're in OK nick at the moment, so let's hope it stays that way and we get a jump on the rest of the competition."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/85637/default.aspx
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what to expect ? Expect to be traded
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"We've had a little taste of the preseason and that was OK."
Hm?
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Last night we had 156 kicks, 139 handballs ,76 marks and 61 tackles
Angus contributed 3 handballs and 1 tackle ( if you could call it a tackle-more like a slap :lol)
Angus is not up to AFL standards and will never be any good.
We need a ruckman who can take a contested mark and drift back into D 50 to assist others, he just stands in the middle of the ground and contibutes NOTHING.
Have a good look at other ruckman in the AFL , they take contested marks, assist fellow players in D 50 and actually push forwardand kick a goal, we get nothing out of this bloke.
Wouldnt you love to have a Ryder, Hille type player at Richmond.
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well at this stage we have no ruckman, thats why snake wasnt delisted
gus needs to to be more effective an duse his size more, i doubt he will last
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well at this stage we have no ruckman, thats why snake wasnt delisted
gus needs to to be more effective an duse his size more, i doubt he will last
Angus has been in the system for long enough, he will ensure Coburg is competitive in 2010, :lol
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Vickery is the future
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Very awkward looking footballer....Hope he makes it but doubt it at this stage
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Vickery is the future
Yep
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We need a ruckman who is going to contribute around the ground, not just stand there with the hands on there hips all night.
If you cant get involved in the game, you aint any good.
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Simmonds Vickery Browne are the options IMHO. Angus has had long enough unfortunately he hasnt shown enough.
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Our ruck stocks are thin.
Need to play Vickery there and try Browne at senior level for a few weeks. See which one will be worth perservering with.
Simmonds will retire at the end of the year and one of Browne or Graham will be gone possibly both if they can't cut it.
If indeed as a side we do rise up the ladder the last thing we would need is have a good side with a decent ruckman short ala St Kilda in 2004-05 and cost the club in hindsight a genuine crack at a flag. Need to address this now.
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We may have to trade for a more senior ruck option but without giving up critical draft picks this will be a fairly fruitless exercise. Rucks take years to develop. Maybe Gus or Browne will step up, who knows :-\ :shh
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Since when was he meant to be a world beater?
Hille is 29 years old this year, Ryder was Pick 7 in the 2005 draft, Graham was a rookie pick in the 2005 rookie draft
Its a disgrace that he needs to be our #1 ruckman, not that he isn't at the same level as elite juniors
If he can play like he did against North Melbourne last year then he'll be fine.
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Maybe we needed a ready made like Jolly after all...
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Maybe we needed a ready made like Jolly after all...
Not for the draft picks it would cost us
Stop wanting to take short cuts, its what got us where we are in the first place
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Since when was he meant to be a world beater?
Hille is 29 years old this year, Ryder was Pick 7 in the 2005 draft, Graham was a rookie pick in the 2005 rookie draft
Its a disgrace that he needs to be our #1 ruckman, not that he isn't at the same level as elite juniors
If he can play like he did against North Melbourne last year then he'll be fine.
If you are 6ft 5 or what ever , cant get a kick or a mark in game of football, ( at last night wasnt the first time either ) , what hope have you got, :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Since when was he meant to be a world beater?
Hille is 29 years old this year, Ryder was Pick 7 in the 2005 draft, Graham was a rookie pick in the 2005 rookie draft
Its a disgrace that he needs to be our #1 ruckman, not that he isn't at the same level as elite juniors
If he can play like he did against North Melbourne last year then he'll be fine.
If you are 6ft 5 or what ever , cant get a kick or a mark in game of football, ( at last night wasnt the first time either ) , what hope have you got, :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
Well please tell us the solution mr iknoweverythingthereistoknowaboutfootballcauseisaidso
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Since when was he meant to be a world beater?
Hille is 29 years old this year, Ryder was Pick 7 in the 2005 draft, Graham was a rookie pick in the 2005 rookie draft
Its a disgrace that he needs to be our #1 ruckman, not that he isn't at the same level as elite juniors
If he can play like he did against North Melbourne last year then he'll be fine.
If you are 6ft 5 or what ever , cant get a kick or a mark in game of football, ( at last night wasnt the first time either ) , what hope have you got, :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
Well please tell us the solution mr iknoweverythingthereistoknowaboutfootballcauseisaidso
As he was drated in 2005 , he shouldnt be there now.
I have had enough of players who dont DEMAND the ball and stand there with the hands on the hips,
You look at players for example like Jake King and he wants to get involved in the game.
Can tell you , Angus should of been moved on at the end of 2007 except they decided to go with him again,BAD DECISION
It doesnt happen in good teams that players dont get a kick or a mark in a game, I am stounded in what I seen last night, although it doesnt surprise when Angus is involved
My solution is too play Browne next week, other then that, the club should of looked at trading in trade week to get a ruckman, as its seems that we might have some handy on ballers who we could of traded..
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jack to be honest i just cringe when this club gives up picks for established players from other clubs..because their track record in picking good ones is awful to say the least
Our ruck stocks are made up of tyrone who will be good but juts needs time and development,browne who gives me the impression that a football is like a wet piece of soap and just cant grab it,Angus who at this stage doesnt cut the mustard ,and troy who is definately at the end of his carreer.....Not much to hang our hat on is there?
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jack to be honest i just cringe when this club gives up picks for established players from other clubs..because their track record in picking good ones is awful to say the least
Our ruck stocks are made up of tyrone who will be good but juts needs time and development,browne who gives me the impression that a football is like a wet piece of soap and just cant grab it,Angus who at this stage doesnt cut the mustard ,and troy who is definately at the end of his carreer.....Not much to hang our hat on is there?
Issue is this, we never want to do business in trade ( dont know the reason either ) we should of tried to trade a ""foley"" instead we try and trade Tuck :banghead ( oh yeah, he would be in big demand :banghead)
We ought to get serious and make some big decisions.
Would of tried to trade Chris Newman , there you go
Last time we traded a captain we made the finals a year later ( Hogg -Broderick Gale)
I dont believe we should trade draft picks either but to trade players during trade week.
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I think some people may need to go and watch the first and second qtr again. I payed particular attention to Grahams ruck work and he won just about every tap out. The opposition ruck man was no where near him, Graham won it by a mile, sure he didn't rack up 20 marks an 5 goals but he is a tap ruckman and we all know that.
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I think some people may need to go and watch the first and second qtr again. I payed particular attention to Grahams ruck work and he won just about every tap out. The opposition ruck man was no where near him, Graham won it by a mile, sure he didn't rack up 20 marks an 5 goals but he is a tap ruckman and we all know that.
'65 :cuddles WAT
Winning every tap is useless unless they go to the advanatage of our mid-fielders.
:lol
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Arent all hawthorns main ruckmen in re hab at the moment?
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I think some people may need to go and watch the first and second qtr again. I payed particular attention to Grahams ruck work and he won just about every tap out. The opposition ruck man was no where near him, Graham won it by a mile, sure he didn't rack up 20 marks an 5 goals but he is a tap ruckman and we all know that.
'65 :cuddles WAT
Winning every tap is useless unless they go to the advanatage of our mid-fielders.
:lol
Dead right and that was a problem actually made me think what our set play was in the ruck because our midfielders could not get it. Graham was winning it but the Hawks midfied were coming out with it.. ???
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Graham is useless
No use winning the tap outs and putting it down the throat of Mitchell 9 times out 10 :banghead
He doesnt block, he doesnt demand the ball.
NO KICKS NO MARKS LAST NIGHT says it all
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both ruckman were very dissapointing, not a mark between them against the likes of Simon Taylor...is it any wonder simmonds was retained. Was expecting alot more from TV...my only comfort is these guys take a while , look at Mitch clark.
Im quickly losing faith in Gus though, hopefully Browne gets a chance
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Browne > Graham
we need Simmonds in the side to add some grunt
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Ah Angus Graham was drafted with many deficiencies and still those deficiencies are there. hes a trier but there is no real scope for improvement.
What is the solution? well this yr there isnt one.but there are scenarios that says it isnt to difficult to aquire a half decent ruckman and still young.
Mumford is one such scenario people. He left Geelong for two reasons. One Sydney could offer him a decent wage and 2 they could guarantee him a game.
I advocated we target Sam Jacobs in the off season i still maintain we should have got him.
he was rookie listed at carlton and carlton either had to put him on the list proper or delist him.they did the former.
Like Mumford he was in competition with established ruckmen. In his case Kruezer, Hampson, and Warnock, it would have been easy to convince him he would not get to many games in front of these 3.
It would have been easy for us to offer him 3 yrs at 250k per season with incentives and a guarantee of a spot in the 22 all yr.
The thing was he would have cost nothing or very little as far as picks went he was coming of the rookie list.
The other one i wanted when Richo retired was Bradshaw in the psd. Sheesh we kept Polak and he like Graham is just not up to it.
These two should have gone yrs ago, one look at their deficiencies said so.
So where is the reality of our ruck situation.
31 yr old Simmonds will have to show he is no longer injury prone and playing well to warrant more than 1 yr. Odds are he will be gone at yrs end.
Graham- simply put not up to standard and never will be. We really have to do better than angus.
Vickery - still at least 2 seasons away physically. should get some games as a back up to simmonds. but there should be no expectations at this stage.
Browne - Basically he is physically ready but does not have the know how and mental readiness or the skillset developed to play to many games at senior level. I would say at least this yr away more likely 2 seasons. Like Vickery he can be given some games as a back up to simmonds.
the reality is we are two ruckmen shy on the list and one of those two needs to be ready to go.
Finally the people bagging vickery, Its unbelievable all these expectations on a skinny raw 2nd yr ruckman wheres the reality. He's about where one would expect him to be. That is mainly developing in the twos and getting bigger.
If he plays senior games this season every single one should be looked upon as a bonus regardless of how well he goes.
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Just watching Brisbane Western Bulldogs, Angus should watch Jamie Charman play ;)
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Jamie charmen is 5 years older.
5 years ago his fith year in the system he had 50 kicks 33 marks 31 handball 3 goals 1 and 140 hittouts from 9 games.
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Jamie charmen is 5 years older.
5 years ago his fith year in the system he had 50 kicks 33 marks 31 handball 3 goals 1 and 140 hittouts from 9 games.
But if Angus watched Jamie, he would of noticed how be blocked, got in the way of the opposition today etc etc.
Jamie has had 2 total knee reconstructions as well..
Jamie stats are good, averages 4 marks a game and 5 kicks.
Does Gus know how to mark ? :lol
Gus would battle to rip a wet tissue, Charman just bulldozes them
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Jamie charmen is 5 years older.
5 years ago his fith year in the system he had 50 kicks 33 marks 31 handball 3 goals 1 and 140 hittouts from 9 games.
But if Angus watched Jamie, he would of noticed how be blocked, got in the way of the opposition today etc etc.
Jamie has had 2 total knee reconstructions as well..
Jamie stats are good, averages 4 marks a game and 5 kicks.
Does Gus know how to mark ? :lol
Gus would battle to rip a wet tissue, Charman just bulldozes them
After 9 games of AFL Graham had 25 kicks, 33 marks 57 handballs 3 goals 1 and 101 hitouts.
Not exactly a massive difference there
Considering Charman was a 2nd round draft pick there an expected difference in natural talent
Why do you keep comparing a 22 year old rookie pick to 1st & 2nd round elite juniors?
Your solution of just playing Browne is ridiculous. Come up with a proper solution. Browne isn't ready yet.
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Jamie charmen is 5 years older.
5 years ago his fith year in the system he had 50 kicks 33 marks 31 handball 3 goals 1 and 140 hittouts from 9 games.
But if Angus watched Jamie, he would of noticed how be blocked, got in the way of the opposition today etc etc.
Jamie has had 2 total knee reconstructions as well..
Jamie stats are good, averages 4 marks a game and 5 kicks.
Does Gus know how to mark ? :lol
Gus would battle to rip a wet tissue, Charman just bulldozes them
After 9 games of AFL Graham had 25 kicks, 33 marks 57 handballs 3 goals 1 and 101 hitouts.
Not exactly a massive difference there
Considering Charman was a 2nd round draft pick there an expected difference in natural talent
Why do you keep comparing a 22 year old rookie pick to 1st & 2nd round elite juniors?
Your solution of just playing Browne is ridiculous. Come up with a proper solution. Browne isn't ready yet.
Browns isnt ready but played Round 1 last year ::), something is wrong there.
Graham simply cant play full stop
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Jamie charmen is 5 years older.
5 years ago his fith year in the system he had 50 kicks 33 marks 31 handball 3 goals 1 and 140 hittouts from 9 games.
But if Angus watched Jamie, he would of noticed how be blocked, got in the way of the opposition today etc etc.
Jamie has had 2 total knee reconstructions as well..
Jamie stats are good, averages 4 marks a game and 5 kicks.
Does Gus know how to mark ? :lol
Gus would battle to rip a wet tissue, Charman just bulldozes them
After 9 games of AFL Graham had 25 kicks, 33 marks 57 handballs 3 goals 1 and 101 hitouts.
Not exactly a massive difference there
Considering Charman was a 2nd round draft pick there an expected difference in natural talent
Why do you keep comparing a 22 year old rookie pick to 1st & 2nd round elite juniors?
Your solution of just playing Browne is ridiculous. Come up with a proper solution. Browne isn't ready yet.
Browns isnt ready but played Round 1 last year ::), something is wrong there.
Graham simply cant play full stop
Yes, he was subsequently dropped and not given another game for the rest of the year. Graham was given his spot, Browne also hardly knocked down the door for senior selection at Coburg while Graham was playing, nor was he called up when Graham was dropped.
Browne has also been competing with Graham all preseason and our new coaching panel have given the spot to Graham. What does that tell you?
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NO KICKS NO MARKS LAST NIGHT says it all
My solution is too play Browne next week, .
Andrew Browne 1 game 0 kicks 0 marks
???
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NO KICKS NO MARKS LAST NIGHT says it all
My solution is too play Browne next week, .
Andrew Browne 1 game 0 kicks 0 marks
???
Both spastics., although Brownw shouldbe given another opportunity as Gus is NO GOOD
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NO KICKS NO MARKS LAST NIGHT says it all
My solution is too play Browne next week, .
Andrew Browne 1 game 0 kicks 0 marks
???
How is that fair? That was Browne's first ever game and he'd only been at the club 5 months! Gus is in his 5th year. I reckon Browne played all of about 20 minutes against Carlton last year...Graham played most of the match last night. 3 handballs isn't good enough.
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3 handballs aint nowhere near good enough, you would get those at Auskick at half time ::)
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How about polak in the ruck ,at least he would be away from the forward line.while we're at it might as well give Nahas a run there too
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He will get an opportunity Jack.
Davey, I'm not comparing them. That would be like comparing Grahams performance yesterday to Charmans today - five years difference in the system. just pointing out flawed logic, thats all
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Vickery is the future
Yep
Second That!
Simmonds and Vickery for Round 1!
Graham is not getting around the ground!
:)
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NO KICKS NO MARKS LAST NIGHT says it all
My solution is too play Browne next week, .
Andrew Browne 1 game 0 kicks 0 marks
???
yep Browne was so well managed he got about 9 minutes game time. sheesh. if you are firstly going to promote them from the rookie list and then pick em you really do need to actually play em.
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Vickery is the future
Yep
Second That!
Simmonds and Vickery for Round 1!
Graham is not getting around the ground!
:)
yep vickery is the future but because he is the future he wont be playing to many senior games. take a look at him people hes still drastically undersized and lacks the core strength to be thrown in the deep end.
im going to throw up a little idea. i can see griffiths getting plenty of games ready or not because of his size.he will ruck forward. i can see polak and simmonds playing as mobile ruckmen. wont help us at stoppages but it will probably be the best option.
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NO KICKS NO MARKS LAST NIGHT says it all
My solution is too play Browne next week, .
Andrew Browne 1 game 0 kicks 0 marks
???
yep Browne was so well managed he got about 9 minutes game time. sheesh. if you are firstly going to promote them from the rookie list and then pick em you really do need to actually play em.
Thank you Claw
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But if Angus watched Jamie, he would of noticed how be blocked, got in the way of the opposition today etc etc.Jamie has had 2 total knee reconstructions as well..
Jamie stats are good, averages 4 marks a game and 5 kicks.
Does Gus know how to mark ? :lol
Gus would battle to rip a wet tissue, Charman just bulldozes them
Agree I was there and at every centre square ball up I kept thinking......
GUS WATCH THE BLOODY BALL AND NOT THE MAN!
on the other thread where I said he need to stop hanging his head and that his body language was terrible was on display on Saturday night.
Example: He stands in the oppositions goal square watchng the ball go through for a goal - then he just stands there for 10 secs, hands on hips and then starts to trudge back to the INTERCHANGE where Vickery is waitng to go on...... once Gus gets to the the 50m arc he starts to sprint off, Vickery then has to bolt to the centre squanre and just makes it.... sorry this isn't being team orientated...this is Gus thinking about Gus....
Anyone who thinks he rucked well is kidding themselves ..he gets plenty of taps....straight down to his feet or the opposition ::)
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But if Angus watched Jamie, he would of noticed how be blocked, got in the way of the opposition today etc etc.Jamie has had 2 total knee reconstructions as well..
Jamie stats are good, averages 4 marks a game and 5 kicks.
Does Gus know how to mark ? :lol
Gus would battle to rip a wet tissue, Charman just bulldozes them
Agree I was there and at every centre square ball up I kept thinking......
GUS WATCH THE BLOODY BALL AND NOT THE MAN!
on the other thread where I said he need to stop hanging his head and that his body language was terrible was on display on Saturday night.
Example: He stands in the oppositions goal square watchng the ball go through for a goal - then he just stands there for 10 secs, hands on hips and then starts to trudge back to the INTERCHANGE where Vickery is waitng to go on...... once Gus gets to the the 50m arc he starts to sprint off, Vickery then has to bolt to the centre squanre and just makes it.... sorry this isn't being team orientated...this is Gus thinking about Gus....
Anyone who thinks he rucked well is kidding themselves ..he gets plenty of taps....straight down to his feet or the opposition ::)
WP, read my posts on Angus Graham :banghead :banghead.
He is a DISGRACE!
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WP, read my posts on Angus Graham :banghead :banghead.
He is a DISGRACE!
I did jack - I think we are agreeing ;D
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Hey Jack, who do you prefer....the old #25 or the new one? ;D
Seriously though, it's time for Gus to step up. 23 years old soon and in his 5th year. Needs to get 10+ touches a game, IMO.
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WP, read my posts on Angus Graham :banghead :banghead.
He is a DISGRACE!
I did jack - I think we are agreeing ;D
LOL we agree on Connors as well.
As for Angus, he is just a big girl, shows no grunt whatsover,
Doesnt understand he plays in a team and should be helping others out, especially the back 6
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Hey Jack, who do you prefer....the old #25 or the new one? ;D
Seriously though, it's time for Gus to step up. 23 years old soon and in his 5th year. Needs to get 10+ touches a game, IMO.
NEITHER, as thats why we are on the bottom.
Mate, why on earth we keep picking players who aint up to it.
Schulz was the dumbest player I have anything to do with.
Add Adam Paterson as well, he had no idea, good bloke, cant play.
As for Graham, he would battle to spell the word ""mark "' let alone take one. :banghead
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Hey Jack, who do you prefer....the old #25 or the new one? ;D
Seriously though, it's time for Gus to step up. 23 years old soon and in his 5th year. Needs to get 10+ touches a game, IMO.
NEITHER, as thats why we are on the bottom.
Mate, why on earth we keep picking players who aint up to it.
Schulz was the dumbest player I have anything to do with.
Add Adam Paterson as well, he had no idea, good bloke, cant play.
As for Graham, he would battle to spell the word ""mark "' let alone take one. :banghead
the rucks were my major dissapointment from the game, up against no-one they failed to take a mark bw them, can you believe that...Im losiing it with Gus . earlier on I thought he was alright, perhaps give his chances to Browne
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might add one of the easiest things to do on the ground is for a big man to take an uncontested mark.
Not at Richmond it isnt, LOL
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Might just add that once it gets below his knees may as well close up shop :banghead
Mongo
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Might just add that once it gets below his knees may as well close up shop :banghead
Mongo
patto was the same actually. :banghead
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Just to revist this, I noticed this while scouting for Dreamteam players
Round 1 NAB Cup
Graham 0 Kicks 3 Handballs 0 Marks 19 Hitouts 1 Tackle 0 Goals 0 Points (22 Years Old/18 Games Experience)
Charman 1 Kicks 3 Handballs 0 Marks 20 Hitouts 1 Tackle 0 Goals 0 Points (27 Years Old/129 Games Experience)
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Just to revist this, I noticed this while scouting for Dreamteam players
Round 1 NAB Cup
Graham 0 Kicks 3 Handballs 0 Marks 19 Hitouts 1 Tackle 0 Goals 0 Points (22 Years Old/18 Games Experience)
Charman 1 Kicks 3 Handballs 0 Marks 20 Hitouts 1 Tackle 0 Goals 0 Points (27 Years Old/129 Games Experience)
I'd like to know their "Hitouts to advantage" stats.... that would be interesting
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Just to revist this, I noticed this while scouting for Dreamteam players
Round 1 NAB Cup
Graham 0 Kicks 3 Handballs 0 Marks 19 Hitouts 1 Tackle 0 Goals 0 Points (22 Years Old/18 Games Experience)
Charman 1 Kicks 3 Handballs 0 Marks 20 Hitouts 1 Tackle 0 Goals 0 Points (27 Years Old/129 Games Experience)
Well hoora and this is what I have been saying, Graham is a tap ruckman and thats it, maybe the odd goal kicker too. I thought he played well in the NAB game but again I was shot down while a lot kept saying "tell him to watch Charman" well there is the result!!
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sheesh i carry on about glass half fulls, but with angus its only about a quarter full.
so how many more yrs do people propose we give angus. 2 3 4 . im certyain in 4 yrs time he will still have the many same deficiencies and he will still be a quarter full. well maybe a bit harsh if we are lucky he may reach the glass half full rating.
another 2 4 yrs would make him a 7 yr long term underachiever just like the bulk of players we have had over the yrs.
for christs sake just once cant we look at a players deficiencies and make the correct early call on him.
if hardwick does nothing else in his 3 yrs i hope like hell this is one area he fixes.
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Angus = :chuck
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Well hoora and this is what I have been saying, Graham is a tap ruckman and thats it,
He maybe just be a "tap ruckman" but where and who he taps it to is more then relevant. the way the game is played today he needs to be much more...
Just to revist this, I noticed this while scouting for Dreamteam players
Round 1 NAB Cup
Graham 0 Kicks 3 Handballs 0 Marks 19 Hitouts 1 Tackle 0 Goals 0 Points (22 Years Old/18 Games Experience)
Charman 1 Kicks 3 Handballs 0 Marks 20 Hitouts 1 Tackle 0 Goals 0 Points (27 Years Old/129 Games Experience)
He can get 40 hit outs a game but if he is tapping it down to his own feet, or tapping it down the throat of the opposition then they aren't worth very much as it doens't help his team.
Another thing from the other week if people are going to compare the stats between to the Charman & Graham is the conditions. Graham played in perfect conditions and had 3 handballs. Charman played in a monsoon ;D not exactly ideal conditions for big blokes.... but look at his tap outs and where they go and you soon realise why young Gus should what a bit of Charman ;D
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dont anyone put up stats again or I will spew( words from our ex coach, LOL)
Please people, watch the game of football.
Charman actually blocks for his team mates, smashes and collects opposition players and makes them earn there possesions.
In previous years he has been a very good player
Angus is just a big girl, end of topic
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I don't think I saw one of Graham's taps go to our advantage. Actually, I think most of them went fair and square down the throat of the Hawthorn mids.
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sheesh i carry on about glass half fulls, but with angus its only about a quarter full.
so how many more yrs do people propose we give angus. 2 3 4 . im certyain in 4 yrs time he will still have the many same deficiencies and he will still be a quarter full. well maybe a bit harsh if we are lucky he may reach the glass half full rating.
another 2 4 yrs would make him a 7 yr long term underachiever just like the bulk of players we have had over the yrs.
for christs sake just once cant we look at a players deficiencies and make the correct early call on him.
if hardwick does nothing else in his 3 yrs i hope like hell this is one area he fixes.
claw the problem is the following
If we dont play Gus we have to play two raw 19 yr old ruckman, and they will be broke before they mature. Gus has to play because he has to protect the youngsters and limit their TOG in the ruck to 25-40% of the game, at least until they grow into their bodies. Hardwick has no choice but to play Gus and Simmo this year. For all his faults at least gus is 22 and has the right work ethic, who knows he may well improve, unlikely but stranger things have happened, I repeat he has age on his side.
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Gus protecting the youngsters :lol
Gus is scared of his own shadow :lol
Gus has NO WORK ETHIC.
What games do you watch Blaisee :banghead
And Gus wont improve, you know why ??/ You cant improve if you have no ability
Let me know next time he takes a mark in a game will you ::)
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Well hoora and this is what I have been saying, Graham is a tap ruckman and thats it,
He maybe just be a "tap ruckman" but where and who he taps it to is more then relevant. the way the game is played today he needs to be much more...
Just to revist this, I noticed this while scouting for Dreamteam players
Round 1 NAB Cup
Graham 0 Kicks 3 Handballs 0 Marks 19 Hitouts 1 Tackle 0 Goals 0 Points (22 Years Old/18 Games Experience)
Charman 1 Kicks 3 Handballs 0 Marks 20 Hitouts 1 Tackle 0 Goals 0 Points (27 Years Old/129 Games Experience)
He can get 40 hit outs a game but if he is tapping it down to his own feet, or tapping it down the throat of the opposition then they aren't worth very much as it doens't help his team.
Another thing from the other week if people are going to compare the stats between to the Charman & Graham is the conditions. Graham played in perfect conditions and had 3 handballs. Charman played in a monsoon ;D not exactly ideal conditions for big blokes.... but look at his tap outs and where they go and you soon realise why young Gus should what a bit of Charman ;D
So if we can't have a game plan to ensure he hits the ball to our players then gee whats going on?? Graham does not understand the plan or our rovers dont??? More time for this guy than Polo, regardless of their positions!!!!!!!!!!! Splitting hair with conditions as well WP, you can either tap or you cant!! Thats like saying Charman taps to the opposition all the time???? Yes I know you did not sy that but get mey drift???
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More time for this guy than Polo, regardless of their positions!!!!!!!!!!!
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WAT I am acutely aware that you don't rate or like Polo - that's fine. Not quite sure what relevance Polo has in this discussion
Splitting hair with conditions as well WP, you can either tap or you cant!! Thats like saying Charman taps to the opposition all the time???? Yes I know you did not sy that but get mey drift???
Exactly... and on what he shown in the years I've been watching him - he CAN'T
Reality is Graham's tap work is ordinary. More of his taps either go straight to the opposition or straight down to his feet. He rarely and I mean rarely gets a tap to the advantage of his mid fielders. Ours mids set up for him, they practice it a training but in the heat of battle he doesn't execute.
Gus spends more time at centre ball ups watching his opponent than he does the ball, he rarely jumps at centre bounces ... I could go one
For a bloke who's primary job is to get it to his mids - I would say he isn't doing his job well. And I will repeat that when things are going his way - his body language is deplorable
That's always been my issue with Gus - he should do a lot more than he does and after 4+ years in the system he like others who have been around the same amount of time he has to step up.
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sheesh i carry on about glass half fulls, but with angus its only about a quarter full.
so how many more yrs do people propose we give angus. 2 3 4 . im certyain in 4 yrs time he will still have the many same deficiencies and he will still be a quarter full. well maybe a bit harsh if we are lucky he may reach the glass half full rating.
another 2 4 yrs would make him a 7 yr long term underachiever just like the bulk of players we have had over the yrs.
for christs sake just once cant we look at a players deficiencies and make the correct early call on him.
if hardwick does nothing else in his 3 yrs i hope like hell this is one area he fixes.
claw the problem is the following
If we dont play Gus we have to play two raw 19 yr old ruckman, and they will be broke before they mature. Gus has to play because he has to protect the youngsters and limit their TOG in the ruck to 25-40% of the game, at least until they grow into their bodies. Hardwick has no choice but to play Gus and Simmo this year. For all his faults at least gus is 22 and has the right work ethic, who knows he may well improve, unlikely but stranger things have happened, I repeat he has age on his side.
No idea pal
Look at Kruzer. They rolled the dice with him and look how good he is now.
If Gus is no good then stuff him send him to Coburg. Whats this business to play him so he can nurture the youngsters. I hope Hardwick doesnt think like you or we will be at the bottom for a very long time.
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I don't get the flack this kid cops. Thought he showed a fair bit of improvement last season.
Will he end up good enough? Maybe not but not his fault he's shouldering the ruck division at 22 years of age.
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I don't get the flack this kid cops. Thought he showed a fair bit of improvement last season.
Will he end up good enough? Maybe not but not his fault he's shouldering the ruck division at 22 years of age.
I agree Maurice, reminds me in a way of Benny Gale, Bartlett gifted him games early to get exp and it took a while but he became a very good player
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I don't get the flack this kid cops. Thought he showed a fair bit of improvement last season.
Will he end up good enough? Maybe not but not his fault he's shouldering the ruck division at 22 years of age.
I agree Maurice, reminds me in a way of Benny Gale, Bartlett gifted him games early to get exp and it took a while but he became a very good player
Brendan always had the spark behind the eyes, not sure that we could say the same thing about Angus.
8)
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I don't get the flack this kid cops. Thought he showed a fair bit of improvement last season.
Will he end up good enough? Maybe not but not his fault he's shouldering the ruck division at 22 years of age.
I agree Maurice, reminds me in a way of Benny Gale, Bartlett gifted him games early to get exp and it took a while but he became a very good player
Brendan always had the spark behind the eyes, not sure that we could say the same thing about Angus.
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Angus gives you the ""lights on, nobody home look "" :lol
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geez people just dont get it.
look at it this way. if he was a u 18 you would not touch him with a barge pole having watched him play for 3 yrs.
if footskills ability agility smarts and more a are a prerequisite then gus fails abysmally. for a future ruck aggression would be another key ability in the air another. he doesnt meet any criteria. he fails.
having watched him now since 07 i dont need to see him play anymore to know outright that there is little chance of him being a decent afl player.
if i had watched him for 3 yrs as a junior leading up to the nd draft you would literally say buggerr off.
people keep saying give him a chance he will improve. how will he improve just look at his weaknesses they are insurmountable at this level.
why this footy club did not chase a mature ruckman and a mature key forward in the off season still has me bewildered.
14 new faces and we could not target 2 mature types. oh wait a minute we did but they did nothing for structure or in ones case quality.
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No Rucks since Greg Dear
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geez people just dont get it.
look at it this way. if he was a u 18 you would not touch him with a barge pole having watched him play for 3 yrs.
if footskills ability agility smarts and more a are a prerequisite then gus fails abysmally. for a future ruck aggression would be another key ability in the air another. he doesnt meet any criteria. he fails.
having watched him now since 07 i dont need to see him play anymore to know outright that there is little chance of him being a decent afl player.
if i had watched him for 3 yrs as a junior leading up to the nd draft you would literally say buggerr off.
people keep saying give him a chance he will improve. how will he improve just look at his weaknesses they are insurmountable at this level.
why this footy club did not chase a mature ruckman and a mature key forward in the off season still has me bewildered.
14 new faces and we could not target 2 mature types. oh wait a minute we did but they did nothing for structure or in ones case quality.
Are you questioning our recruitment of Farmer? We were crying out for a good back pocket, and he could be it.
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no polak.we delist him then rookie him knowing we will likely need experience i can understand the logic but a real quality player was available to us in bradshaw.
i have mentioned on here a few times the club should have actively targeted someone like sam jacobs at carlton for a ruck berth in fact i wanted him as a rookie moran was another i was prepared to take a punt on.
its about proper succession plans and ours was is flawed. we had an ageing simmonds and then graham who was supposed to take over the #1 mantle which in turn would allow vickery time to develop. but graham was always a high risk and we have done nothing to cover for his possible failure. its coming home to roost now.
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no polak.we delist him then rookie him knowing we will likely need experience i can understand the logic but a real quality player was available to us in bradshaw.
i have mentioned on here a few times the club should have actively targeted someone like sam jacobs at carlton for a ruck berth in fact i wanted him as a rookie moran was another i was prepared to take a punt on.
its about proper succession plans and ours was is flawed. we had an ageing simmonds and then graham who was supposed to take over the #1 mantle which in turn would allow vickery time to develop. but graham was always a high risk and we have done nothing to cover for his possible failure. its coming home to roost now.
Correct
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no polak.we delist him then rookie him knowing we will likely need experience i can understand the logic but a real quality player was available to us in bradshaw.
When was Bradshaw available to us?
He didn't want to live in Melbourne.
ps Polak is not one of the 14 new faces.
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but graham was always a high risk and we have done nothing to cover for his possible failure. its coming home to roost now.
It's not as if Gus's shortfalls are going to be the reason we won't make the 8 this year or next. By the time we are in that position Vickery should be right to go and Gus will most likely be gone.
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no polak.we delist him then rookie him knowing we will likely need experience i can understand the logic but a real quality player was available to us in bradshaw.
When was Bradshaw available to us?
He didn't want to live in Melbourne.
ps Polak is not one of the 14 new faces.
bradshaw was available in the psd at pick 2. he nominated his price which sydney met we only had to agree to pay his nominated price and he was ours. the psd is exactly that a draft. if you nominate there is no guarantee you will go where you want.
when richo retired late in the piece someone like bradshaw should have become a priority.
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but graham was always a high risk and we have done nothing to cover for his possible failure. its coming home to roost now.
It's not as if Gus's shortfalls are going to be the reason we won't make the 8 this year or next. By the time we are in that position Vickery should be right to go and Gus will most likely be gone.
hmm na i cant be bothered. if you dont get it by now you never will.
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bradshaw was available in the psd at pick 2. he nominated his price which sydney met we only had to agree to pay his nominated price and he was ours. the psd is exactly that a draft. if you nominate there is no guarantee you will go where you want.
when richo retired late in the piece someone like bradshaw should have become a priority.
Yeah, technically he was available but he wasn't available. Carlton found that out when they threw everything at him to get him.
His family is his priority. That was made clear when his wife and 4 kids were constantly mentioned in articles about him moving from Brisbane. He didn't want to live in Melbourne.
This is the bloke who stood out of Brisbane's first ever final to be with his wife who was expecting to give birth.
Maybe he would have come to Richmond for the stipulated 3 years if picked up at PSD 2. It's a fair bet he wouldn't have been happy and likely a waste of a pick. Richmond has already been there with David Williams in the 1989 PSD.
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no polak.we delist him then rookie him knowing we will likely need experience i can understand the logic but a real quality player was available to us in bradshaw.
When was Bradshaw available to us?
He didn't want to live in Melbourne.
ps Polak is not one of the 14 new faces.
bradshaw was available in the psd at pick 2. he nominated his price which sydney met we only had to agree to pay his nominated price and he was ours. the psd is exactly that a draft. if you nominate there is no guarantee you will go where you want.
when richo retired late in the piece someone like bradshaw should have become a priority.
I believe obtaining depth in our ruck department wasn't a high priority in the past given the amount of problems we had all over the field that needed to be rectified first. This is why we recruited midfielders first, then KPP and then ruckmen. In Lids year we tried to find a ruckman in Patto from a very short list. The problem has been for such a long time is that we keep trying to plug holes only to find new ones popping up all the time.
As you know ruckman are notoriously late developers and require years of development and patience. The problem with this though is you wait years and they can still be average to poor. Gus was a rookie, as was Browne so they will take a lot of development because they are starting so far back which has not been a strength of ours as a club to date. Gus still needs a lot of education which I believe will not start to show in earnest for another 2 years. Browne probably 3. Regardless of whether Vickery steps up or not we will need to find another ruckman at least to support him so getting rid of Gus and co at the moment would be counter productive. Until we can trade for another solid ruck or groom on of our own, they are all we have.
In regards to securing Bradshaw when Richo left, this would have been a waste of time. Unless Bradshaw is a teacher, educator and coach in the making like perhaps Cousins is, what's the use of getting Bradshaw in to win us some meaningless games only to leave us with the same hole when he retires. Better to have Polly in there who can quickly step aside when other young forwards step up. I like the idea of having a mature forward to allow the younger forwards time but not at the expense of future development.
Stripes
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Gus' papers stamped?
He hasn't come in for Simmo and Polly who has will probably ruck.
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I'm sure I read somewhere that a poster thought he might have some gameplan pattern learning challenges.
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I'm sure I read somewhere that a poster thought he might have some gameplan pattern learning challenges.
Another JON?
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I was trying not to say it, but that's what I was getting at, MT.
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Gus' papers stamped?
If so that's a lot of time and resources invested for very little reward. :P
Waaay too many eggs in the Vickery basket atm for mine.
Our ruck situation is desperate.
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Gus' papers stamped?
If so that's a lot of time and resources invested for very little reward. :P
Waaay too many eggs in the Vickery basket atm for mine.
Our ruck situation is desperate.
then we need to target an uncontracted ruckman ... of some quality if possible!
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Gus' papers stamped?
If so that's a lot of time and resources invested for very little reward. :P
Waaay too many eggs in the Vickery basket atm for mine.
Our ruck situation is desperate.
then we need to target an uncontracted ruckman ... of some quality if possible!
What is Mitch Clarke's status?
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Gus' papers stamped?
If so that's a lot of time and resources invested for very little reward. :P
Waaay too many eggs in the Vickery basket atm for mine.
Our ruck situation is desperate.
then we need to target an uncontracted ruckman ... of some quality if possible!
What is Mitch Clarke's status?
Someones got a man crush... ;D
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Gus' papers stamped?
If so that's a lot of time and resources invested for very little reward. :P
Waaay too many eggs in the Vickery basket atm for mine.
Our ruck situation is desperate.
then we need to target an uncontracted ruckman ... of some quality if possible!
What is Mitch Clarke's status?
Someones got a man crush... ;D
Man crush to have a bloke of his age, size, talent and position to our club. Can fill a ruck need and play in the forward line when resting. Frees up Vickery and can play Post as a KPP in the backline. One can dream I suppose. :thumbsup
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Gus' papers stamped?
If so that's a lot of time and resources invested for very little reward. :P
Waaay too many eggs in the Vickery basket atm for mine.
Our ruck situation is desperate.
then we need to target an uncontracted ruckman ... of some quality if possible!
What is Mitch Clarke's status?
Someones got a man crush... ;D
Man crush to have a bloke of his age, size, talent and position to our club. Can fill a ruck need and play in the forward line when resting. Frees up Vickery and can play Post as a KPP in the backline. One can dream I suppose. :thumbsup
Be great wouldn't he!!!!
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Gus' papers stamped?
If so that's a lot of time and resources invested for very little reward. :P
Waaay too many eggs in the Vickery basket atm for mine.
Our ruck situation is desperate.
then we need to target an uncontracted ruckman ... of some quality if possible!
What is Mitch Clarke's status?
Someones got a man crush... ;D
Man crush to have a bloke of his age, size, talent and position to our club. Can fill a ruck need and play in the forward line when resting. Frees up Vickery and can play Post as a KPP in the backline. One can dream I suppose. :thumbsup
Be great wouldn't he!!!!
WOuld be. If only free agency was coming sooner. :scream
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Gus' papers stamped?
If so that's a lot of time and resources invested for very little reward. :P
Waaay too many eggs in the Vickery basket atm for mine.
Our ruck situation is desperate.
then we need to target an uncontracted ruckman ... of some quality if possible!
What is Mitch Clarke's status?
Someones got a man crush... ;D
Man crush to have a bloke of his age, size, talent and position to our club. Can fill a ruck need and play in the forward line when resting. Frees up Vickery and can play Post as a KPP in the backline. One can dream I suppose. :thumbsup
Be great wouldn't he!!!!
WOuld be. If only free agency was coming sooner. :scream
Isn't free agency only applicable for blokes who have played at the one club for 8 years?
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Gus' papers stamped?
If so that's a lot of time and resources invested for very little reward. :P
Waaay too many eggs in the Vickery basket atm for mine.
Our ruck situation is desperate.
then we need to target an uncontracted ruckman ... of some quality if possible!
What is Mitch Clarke's status?
Someones got a man crush... ;D
Man crush to have a bloke of his age, size, talent and position to our club. Can fill a ruck need and play in the forward line when resting. Frees up Vickery and can play Post as a KPP in the backline. One can dream I suppose. :thumbsup
Be great wouldn't he!!!!
WOuld be. If only free agency was coming sooner. :scream
Yeah we miss out again... :P
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Mate reckons this Mcevoy dude goes allright at Sandringham - Gotta be better than nothing, which is what we have!
I would like to see BrownE get a run, 3 games at least though - At least give him a shot when we play the Hawks, not too much pressure there.
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McEvoy will be Saints number 1 ruck next year. King and Gardiner will retire.
We won't get him.
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McEvoy will be Saints number 1 ruck next year. King and Gardiner will retire.
We won't get him.
Pick 6 no chance hell go anywhere
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Bump.
If Gus brings more of yesterday to the table each week from now on does he confirm for himself a future at Punt Rd beyond this year?
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Bump.
If Gus brings more of yesterday to the table each week from now on does he confirm for himself a future at Punt Rd beyond this year?
The key here is "each week". History tells us Gus is on one week and goes missing for the next 3-4. He cannot afford to do that now.
I will hold off on judging him until he puts 4 solid games together
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To be honest, I saw a few promising signs but not enough of anything to say I would want to keep him at season's end. He would have to do that as a bare minimum each week and show a fair bit of improvement on that by the last game before I would be looking to keep him.
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Hey Ox, have who checked on you old mate Jackstar? That pack mark Graham took may have shocked him so much he went into cardiac arrest. :P
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Hey Ox, have who checked on you old mate Jackstar? That pack mark Graham took may have shocked him so much he went into cardiac arrest. :P
:lol :lol :thumbsup
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Big men take longer to develop and Gus's performances at Coburg this year and at the G yesterday show me that he is improving.
That pack mark was a ripper and his ruck work was good too.
More improvement and consistency still to come but it will be a year or two before we can expect the best from him.....just like every other bigman in the AFL.....they don't reach their peak until they are 25 or 26.
Good on ya Gus, King Islanders will be proud.
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What we really need is someone to do what Richo used to do and take a mark on the wing.
When we try and run out of defence we have periods of the game where it works great through the middle and we run the ball out. We would like to do this 100% of the time and it would be great to watch but the reality is that sometimes the opponent gets their zones right and clogs up the middle and we need to go simple - long kick to a lead on the wing. In the end of the first and most of the second quarter when Hawthorn pulled the game back I thought we really lacked in this regard.
Not sure Gus will be the solution long-term, not mobile enough, but still nice to see some contested marks from him
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Very surprised with his game, especially after reading all of the Coburg reports on him.
I'd rather him in the side than Simmonds.
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Very surprised with his game, especially after reading all of the Coburg reports on him.
I'd rather him in the side than Simmonds.
how we even persisted with Simmo this year is beyond comprehension. Graham and/or Browne on 1 leg is better than Simmo.
Graham must play out the year with Browne waiting if Gus goes back to his old ways. Vickery is getting better i can see good things from him
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i have a gut feeling gus was not fit and had injuries, and they knew he would not be ready . now that he is hopefully fit goodbye snake u pathetic excuse for a footballer, snake wrangler and black belt ....pathetic
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thought he played a key role, hope he learns from his game yesterday :thumbsup
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Graham needs to perform more than just a few times a season. Happy with his game but he needs to keep it up if he's going to be a Punt Road next season.
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Unbelievable he actually looked like a footballer rather than a goal post
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Unbelievable he actually looked like a footballer rather than a goal post
Agreed had a serviceable game and kicked a good goal in the last. Consistency is the key and want to see him follow up this week against a strategically better ruckman in Hille thanks to the MRP giving him a reprieve.
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thought he played a key role, hope he learns from his game yesterday :thumbsup
good post buy a membership!
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thought he played a key role, hope he learns from his game yesterday :thumbsup
good post buy a membership!
Thanks but l'm already a member ;D of several clubs :lol
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thought he played a key role, hope he learns from his game yesterday :thumbsup
good post buy a membership!
Thanks but l'm already a member ;D of several clubs :lol
Insanity is shown in many external ways.
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dud of a very high order clearly is not the answer moving forward. will be gifted many games this yr as there is no one else.
would take nearly every other ruckman on teams lists who have played a game and some who havent in front of him.
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thought he played a key role, hope he learns from his game yesterday :thumbsup
good post buy a membership!
Thanks but l'm already a member ;D of several clubs :lol
Insanity is shown in many external ways.
::) ::) Popelord no-one was talking to you feral
Insanity about what being a membership holder of several clubs.
l support football & involved in football, l'm not a dreamer like yourself waterboy
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Dimma said in EOTT he wants his rucks to be physical “beasts” and set the tone for the rest of the side. Last week was the first time Gus delivered. As WP said Gus needs to show this form consistently from now on.
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Dimma said in EOTT he wants his rucks to be physical “beasts” and set the tone for the rest of the side. Last week was the first time Gus delivered. As WP said Gus needs to show this form consistently from now on.
I like that approach 'thats what Dyer was' i was thinking of him early in the week and how he would have dealt with brown.
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Dimma said in EOTT he wants his rucks to be physical “beasts” and set the tone for the rest of the side. Last week was the first time Gus delivered. As WP said Gus needs to show this form consistently from now on.
I like that approach 'thats what Dyer was' i was thinking of him early in the week and how he would have dealt with brown.
Too true Mopsy. Brown wouldn't have gone within a bull's roar of Dyer, gutless sniper. Him and Maxwell should play in the same team.
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Walls on 3aw believes Gus has a future. Caro laughed.
David King said Wayne Campbell rates Gus.
Thoughts on Gus?
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Stop gap
However I'd rather we keep playing Gus while Vickery & Browne develop than play Simmonds and trade away our picks for a recycled ruckman.
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Think he is doing a lot better the last 2 weeks than he has his career, one more year next year and we if he can't come on then IMO he never will.
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I reckon there's a few boofheads that couldn't find a hole big enough seeing they wanted to make a BIG name for themselves in slating him after a dozen games and like Caro would know :lol
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for the first time I saw something in Gus, took a couple of strong marks and for someone with his rep, I was very happy at how hard he hit the contest. This is why I wanted to play him over simmo who is now useless
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Exactly TM would rather see Gus lumber around than Simmonds who can't even muster himself to do anything that closely resembles lumbering around the ground. Right now Graham has more around the ground skill too.
Next week is another test Dean Brogan.
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Was very pleased with Gus last week and wanted another game like that.
Compared to Vickery he was good but I also saw some of the bads habits from last year on show last night
A really good example is his unwillingness to drop back into the goal square when the opposition is having a set shot 45-50 metres out. Twice last night Gus just stood around the centre square with hands on hips :P
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hmm all this applause and for what. he was mediocre again and we were destroyed by both their ruckmen.
he doesnt have the tools to get better what you see is what you get. he is not the way forward.
yep hes given more than simmonds but we all agree hes not the way forward either. we have to be looking to do better than the grahams and a myriad of other glass half fulls like him.
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hmm all this applause and for what. he was mediocre again and we were destroyed by both their ruckmen.
he doesnt have the tools to get better what you see is what you get. he is not the way forward.
yep hes given more than simmonds but we all agree hes not the way forward either. we have to be looking to do better than the grahams and a myriad of other glass half fulls like him.
:clapping
not much to get excited about so we get excited with mediocrity.
Let's hope Browne can eventually develop :pray
....or we do trade Tambling for a ready to go ruckman?
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Stop gap
However I'd rather we keep playing Gus while Vickery & Browne develop than play Simmonds and trade away our picks for a recycled ruckman.
i think we will should take a mature ruckman regardless of weather graham is or isnt at the club next yr.
the reasons are simple. 1 while hes been an improvement on simmonds hes shown nothing to suggest hes a decent player. 2 clearly browne and vickery are a couple of seasons away with absolutely no guarantee either will make it.
3 with just 3 ruckmen on the list we are two short we have two in development and atm the mature one is below standard we need another ready to go ruckman even for something as simple as backup if injury hits.
i have already written graham of so to me all our eggs are in the browne vickery basket another mature ruckman and a rookie is just plain old good list management covering your behind.
ive already written graham of
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hmm all this applause and for what. he was mediocre again and we were destroyed by both their ruckmen.
he doesnt have the tools to get better what you see is what you get. he is not the way forward.
yep hes given more than simmonds but we all agree hes not the way forward either. we have to be looking to do better than the grahams and a myriad of other glass half fulls like him.
:clapping
not much to get excited about so we get excited with mediocrity.
Let's hope Browne can eventually develop :pray
....or we do trade Tambling for a ready to go ruckman?
yep its amazing we are so poor in an area for so long as soon as something else comes along regardless its raptures by all.
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Was very pleased with Gus last week and wanted another game like that.
Compared to Vickery he was good but I also saw some of the bads habits from last year on show last night
A really good example is his unwillingness to drop back into the goal square when the opposition is having a set shot 45-50 metres out. Twice last night Gus just stood around the centre square with hands on hips :P
Totally agree :thumbsup
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Stop gap
However I'd rather we keep playing Gus while Vickery & Browne develop than play Simmonds and trade away our picks for a recycled ruckman.
i think we will should take a mature ruckman regardless of weather graham is or isnt at the club next yr.
the reasons are simple. 1 while hes been an improvement on simmonds hes shown nothing to suggest hes a decent player. 2 clearly browne and vickery are a couple of seasons away with absolutely no guarantee either will make it.
3 with just 3 ruckmen on the list we are two short we have two in development and atm the mature one is below standard we need another ready to go ruckman even for something as simple as backup if injury hits.
i have already written graham of so to me all our eggs are in the browne vickery basket another mature ruckman and a rookie is just plain old good list management covering your behind.
ive already written graham of
I'd be happy to look at using a late pick on a VFL ruckman or someone who's been delisted for depth, but that's all. Trading for a decent ruckman costs too much in terms of picks.
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something browne has in his armory that both graham and vickery dont is his ability to hit a contest hard...the latter seem very timid to me
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Simmo was a bloody good footballer in his day it is just that he is ready for retirement. His body has taken a beating over the years and has had enough I would say. He is still cunning though, he still does some of those clever, deft things that the others don't think of in the tight plays. What is the hold up with Browne? His tank? He was the best performer out of the three new ones to date wasn't he?
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something browne has in his armory that both graham and vickery dont is his ability to hit a contest hard...the latter seem very timid to me
Vickery is way too timid. Wouldnt bruise a grape
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Why don't we bite the bullet and play Graham, Vickery and Browne. Put Gus and Browne on Ruck rotation and put Vickery permanently as another tall option in the forward line.
What have we got to lose?? It will de-midget our forward line a little and He's not a bad kick of the footy after all.
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Why don't we bite the bullet and play Graham, Vickery and Browne. Put Gus and Browne on Ruck rotation and put Vickery permanently as another tall option in the forward line.
What have we got to lose?? It will de-midget our forward line a little and He's not a bad kick of the footy after all.
Cant see why not, its not as if we are going to win games this year anyway.
Might as well use the year to get as much development into the ruck area as possible
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If the long term plan is for vickery to be a ruckmen, then he is better off playing ruck for coburg than a permanent forward in the seniors.
As for brown, perhaps he isn't ticking the 20 boxes needed
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Was very pleased with Gus last week and wanted another game like that.
Compared to Vickery he was good but I also saw some of the bads habits from last year on show last night
A really good example is his unwillingness to drop back into the goal square when the opposition is having a set shot 45-50 metres out. Twice last night Gus just stood around the centre square with hands on hips :P
hmm, I would have thought it far more important for the ruckman to be ready for the kick out on the off chance the goal may be missed, but hey that's fairly radical, I mean they always go staright through right ::)
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something browne has in his armory that both graham and vickery dont is his ability to hit a contest hard...the latter seem very timid to me
Vickery is way too timid. Wouldnt bruise a grape
lucky we don't want him to make wine :cheers
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Was very pleased with Gus last week and wanted another game like that.
Compared to Vickery he was good but I also saw some of the bads habits from last year on show last night
A really good example is his unwillingness to drop back into the goal square when the opposition is having a set shot 45-50 metres out. Twice last night Gus just stood around the centre square with hands on hips :P
hmm, I would have thought it far more important for the ruckman to be ready for the kick out on the off chance the goal may be missed, but hey that's fairly radical, I mean they always go staright through right ::)
I think its far more important for a ruckman to be in the square and contest on the line in case the ball drops short and hinder the Full Forwards and oppositions ruckman on marking. As for the kick outs the guy kicking out can delay until the ruckman is back in position outside the 50 I would yhink but that's just how I would coach my players. ;D
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Was very pleased with Gus last week and wanted another game like that.
Compared to Vickery he was good but I also saw some of the bads habits from last year on show last night
A really good example is his unwillingness to drop back into the goal square when the opposition is having a set shot 45-50 metres out. Twice last night Gus just stood around the centre square with hands on hips :P
hmm, I would have thought it far more important for the ruckman to be ready for the kick out on the off chance the goal may be missed, but hey that's fairly radical, I mean they always go staright through right ::)
I think its far more important for a ruckman to be in the square and contest on the line in case the ball drops short and hinder the Full Forwards and oppositions ruckman on marking. As for the kick outs the guy kicking out can delay until the ruckman is back in position outside the 50 I would yhink but that's just how I would coach my players. ;D
Exactly
2 weeks in a row now 2 shots at goal have just floated through. Big man (and the other backmen I might add) back there and it would have been touched
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I think Bo makes a good point. For a shot that you fully expect the kicker to make the distance, the ruckman is better off to be prepared for a quick kick out than having to wait and allow the opposition time to get their zone in place. A lot more shots go offline than fall short of the expected distance the kicker can reach. It's just a matter of knowing the capabilities of your opponents.
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It doesn't have to be a ruckman standing on the last line. Anyone is light years better than no-one.
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It doesn't have to be a ruckman standing on the last line. Anyone is light years better than no-one.
Jake King? :help
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It doesn't have to be a ruckman standing on the last line. Anyone is light years better than no-one.
give the man a cigar :thumbsup
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Lade's experience a boon for Graham
richmondfc.com.au
By Mic Cullen
Wed 26 May, 2010
RICHMOND ruckman Angus Graham says having a full-time ruck coach at the Tigers is a great thing for the club.
Brendon Lade came to the club as part of coach Damien Hardwick's new coaching staff at the end of the 2009 season, having just retired from Port Adelaide.
Hardwick had been an assistant coach at the Power before leaving to go to Hawthorn to work for fellow Port assistant Alastair Clarkson.
The Tigers have one veteran ruckman in Troy Simmonds, but three younger ones in Graham (23 years old), Ty Vickery (19) and Andrew Browne (19).
Graham said having someone so recently out of AFL ranks - and who is still playing local football - was invaluable in the fast-tracking of the younger players.
"He's definitely up to date with modern ruckwork, the speed of the game and patterns of play," Graham said. "He was also one for going forward and kicking goals.
"He's shown me a lot of new types of tactics and different ways of going about things since he's been here full-time - training with him over pre-season gave good continuity.
"Hopefully I can continue my good form and become a quality ruckman like he was."
Graham said Simmonds had also been a huge help in his development because he had a bigger body than the club's other two ruckmen, so he couldn't be too easily pushed around.
"He's been really good, especially over the pre-season, rucking against him day-in, day-out for the last three months over summer," Graham said.
"I've been competing against him for a few years, and that continual practice has been invaluable, because without it I wouldn't be used to rucking against bigger bodies like him.
"He still shares his experience - he's talked to me the last few weeks on gameday and through the week, and talks me through my game, so from that point-of-view he's been really positive."
The 201cm Graham played 16 games in 2009, but had to wait until round eight this year to get his first chance back in AFL ranks.
He said he thought his early season form was okay, but he just couldn't crack a game in the AFL.
"I didn't think my form was that bad, but they chose to give Troy a go early on in the year and they went with Ty," Graham said.
"My form hadn't been bad in the VFL but I just hadn't got my opportunity, but then I got my opportunity and I took it - I thought my form was good last year, but with new coaches coming in and new ways of thinking, and trying different blokes, I just waited for my chance.
"Obviously I was disappointed not to play, but I just kept training - I got good feedback, and I got told I was in the mix, but I just had to keep playing well in the VFL."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/95083/default.aspx
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Well lets hope you can grab the bull by the horns and really turn your year around. I think Gus has done better over the past few weeks although there is still room for improvement...lots more infact.
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Gus's opinion of good form and mine are obviously poles apart! :o
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I suppose its just a relative thing smokey :P
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Just the 7 disposals (6 kicks, 1 hb) but Gus had 25 hitouts and 14 tackles both the most and equal most on the day respectively.
How did we all see Gus' game yesterday?
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While he is still a long way from what you would hope, for his willingness to get in and compete couldn't be faulted. 14 tackles for a ruckman is top stuff :thumbsup
needs to eliminate the taps straight to the opposition from his game though, but overall does seem to be improving each game.
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Thought he played much better in that he involved himself. First time I've really seen a substantial sign of that.
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he even dropped back deep in defence and took a mark, was thinking, is that benny gale!!!
i have faith in gus
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Another good promising game from Gus.
7 kicks
16 handballs
12 marks
13 hitouts
Most dreamteam points for the Tiges as well tonight.
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Better and better an better.. :thumbsup
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Is looking okay. Contesting taking marks and could have kicked a goal in the last quarter. :thumbsup
His improvement has coincided with our improvement.
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So happy for Gus with his imporvement, he must feel so good about it too in himself.
Also very happy that he is showing some of the doubters wrong (hmm anybody on here maybe).
Why didnt I trade him in for Hill when he went down (dreamteam) , even I didnt have the confidence in him.
Great game Gus, thanks
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Improved out of sight as well. Dropping back into packs. Tackling etc etc
Full confidence he will make it.
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Well done Gus, actually looks like he will be the goods. Big unit with attitude and working on his marking around the ground.
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Went last night and Gus Graham was tremendous.
From being an Anthony Rocca-type (puff-puff), the big guy has improved his tank immeasurably.
Was BOG for mine.
:clapping
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I WAS WRONG about Gus :o
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I WAS WRONG about Gus :o
I must toe that line as well. Not a bad player to be wrong about!!
I would love to know what has turned him around.
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I WAS WRONG about Gus :o
I must toe that line as well. Not a bad player to be wrong about!!
I would love to know what has turned him around.
dimma and lade
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The ruckmen are moving around the ground alot more and are getting more involved in the play.
Also becoming a problem up forward for others sides :thumbsup
Still need them to push back harder & defend but that will come in development
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Watching the replay and the half time melee my opinion on Gus went up even further with seeing him take on Merrit, Staker and some other Lion hack
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Islander cream of the crop
ADAM SMITH
July 01, 2010
KING Island might be famous for its cheese and beef, but one of its best exports is set to help Richmond's AFL revival.
Ruckman Angus Graham has assumed the No. 1 mantle at the Tigers following the retirement of Troy Simmonds, and the 23-year-old's form is starting to turn heads.
With the likes of Dustin Martin, Trent Cotchin and Brett Deledio feeding off his tap work and fellow Tasmanian Jack Riewoldt up forward, if the 201cm, 106kg Graham can continue the improvement he has shown in the past two seasons his future at Punt Rd looks bright.
One of two King Island footballers to reach AFL level in recent times, the other being Barry Brooks who was on St Kilda's list from 2003-07, Graham played 16 matches last year. After missing the first seven of 2010 he has returned to the side which has won three of its last four outings.
In the first of those against Port Adelaide at a drenched AAMI Stadium in round 10 he laid an incredible 14 tackles, while against Brisbane a fortnight ago he had a career high 23 disposals and 12 marks.
"I thought I did that [become the No. 1 ruckman] a bit last year, I played 16 games and had a relatively good year but obviously the last month or so I've really kicked on and started to improve my footy and be more consistent," Graham said yesterday.
"Last year I wasn't as consistent. I feel like I'm starting to do that and getting more confident so hopefully bigger and better things are to come.
"It's time to step up. Simmonds stepped aside and I've been playing OK. It is time for me to take the next step, take the reins and be a consistent player."
Graham's path through the junior ranks in Tasmania was not like most.
He left Currie, the largest town on King Island, in grade nine to follow his brother and sister to Assumption College in Victoria.
While playing for Calder in the TAC Cup, he also represented Tasmania at the national under-18 carnival in 2005, before being rookie listed by the Tigers.
The following season he made his debut against Geelong at Skilled Stadium, but managed just two games before an ankle injury.
The injury was not enough to stop him being promoted to the senior list at the end of 2007 and after spending 2008 on the sidelines recovering, he has added 24 games to his tally.
"After the Hawthorn game in round eight, [coach Damien Hardwick] pretty much said our season starts now," Graham said.
"We've put up a ladder every week from round eight to show where we sit, so we can see how we are travelling compared to the rest of the competition.
"Once we got used to the game plan and started being competitive, our aim was to be a top eight team for the rest of the year so we have something to build on for the year after.
"It's all about building a winning culture for the rest of the year," Graham said.
http://www.themercury.com.au/article/2010/07/01/155861_afl.html
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The Mercury article is also in today's Herald-Sun
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/angus-graham-beefs-up-richmonds-future/story-e6frf9jf-1225886917244
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Man, Don't know what to make of Gus. Made a turn last year then did a U bolt. Was attrocious early this year 'and I mean BAD'! Since he has come back has been super dooper.
Will he be the next in line for Cult hero status at Punt Rd? He's on his way.
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Not that the super Freo Mongo isn't a test for any ruckman, but Mongo has a chance to show if he has really stepped up this week. Could go a long way to deciding the game, Big Test!
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Kangaroos ready to test Graham
SAM LIENERT
July 18, 2010
IMPROVED Richmond ruckman Angus Graham can expect another physical test against North Melbourne today after copping a battering in last weekend's AFL win against Fremantle.
Graham's emergence as the Tigers' No. 1 ruckman during the past two months has been a key factor in Richmond's form surge, after he failed to break into the side for the first seven rounds.
He performed valiantly against Dockers giant Aaron Sandilands last round, despite copping two huge bumps, both of which left him doubled over in pain.
Kangaroos ruckman Hamish McIntosh said he and ruck partner Todd Goldstein would be out to test Graham's recovery at the MCG today.
''I saw he got a few heavy knocks, so I guess you've just got to go in there and compete pretty hard and see how he's feeling,'' McIntosh said. ''It looks like he's trained pretty fully this week, so he's not too sore. But I'm sure Goldy and I will try to compete pretty hard and jump pretty hard.''
With McIntosh and Goldstein both in good form, the Kangaroos' ruck strength will be important if they are to break Richmond's four-match winning streak and keep their own finals bid on track.
North's hopes of snatching a spot in the eight received a double blow last round, when it lost to finals rival Sydney and lost key forward Drew Petrie for the rest of the season.
That means McIntosh and Goldstein will need to again double as forward targets, something they are becoming accustomed to, given Petrie's season-long injury woes.
''It's given myself and Todd more time to go forward and over the last few weeks we've managed to get a few scoring shots and have a bit of an impact,'' McIntosh said.
The Roos have also lost dangerous small forward Lindsay Thomas (knee) and Cruize Garlett (calf), replaced by Aaron Edwards, Gavin Urquhart and Nathan Grima.
Richmond lost Daniel Jackson to suspension and Ben Griffiths and Ben Nason to injury, but regained Ben Cousins and Richard Tambling and included defender Luke McGuane. McIntosh acknowledged the Richmond clash had become huge, after losses to Geelong and Sydney.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/kangaroos-ready-to-test-graham-20100717-10f8v.html
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Graham throws his weight around
ADAM COOPER
July 31, 2010 - 9:49AM
Richmond's Angus Graham feels better for throwing his weight around this AFL season, but it hasn't all been one-way.
The Tigers ruckman feels he is starting to have a physical impact in games, but it was three weeks ago against Fremantle when he was the one nursing bruises.
"Adam McPhee got me a beauty in my ribs and Rhys Palmer got me one when I wasn't looking," he said.
"I felt a bit like Justin Koschitzke when he didn't see it coming (the Saint was famously poleaxed by Bulldog Daniel Giansiracusa in 2006).
"I was pretty sore but my body's holding up OK.
"I'm playing with a lot of niggles but the demand is a lot higher and I'm copping a battering.
"But there's only five weeks left.
"That's how it goes being a big bloke. You've got to put your head over the ball.
"You're jumping into people, you cop those knocks and you just get used to it."
Fortunately for Richmond, Graham has been on the receiving end less than he was last year, when he lacked the strength to compete against the league's best big men.
After adding five kilograms to his 201cm frame over the pre-season and maturing physically, the 23-year-old feels he can hold his own in stoppages.
"The fact I can push a few of the bigger ruckmen around has really helped me," said Graham, who has strung together the past 10 games and is now Richmond's No.1 ruck following the retirement of Troy Simmonds.
"I came into the team at a good time, when we'd won a few games, so that always helps," he said.
"When we were winning I got my confidence up and the team's confidence is up.
"I've been taking more marks in contested situations and crashing packs.
"I feel like I'm dominating more and have more of a presence than last year when I was up and down."
Simmonds' departure also meant Graham had to quickly adjust to life with responsibility,. But he said he had thrived under the pressure of performing and was enjoying the chemistry he had formed with his midfielders.
Graham, Dustin Martin and Trent Cotchin have had their moments at stoppages this season, although the latter will be missed (suspension) for Sundays game against Adelaide at the MCG.
"We're winning a lot of stoppages, so as a group we're pretty excited that if we stay together for a while hopefully we'll be as good as Geelong," Graham said.
"We've got the confidence that we can be a good midfield team."
This has been a difficult campaign for Richmond, but Graham said Tigers coach Damien Hardwick had stressed the need to finish off the season strongly.
"We want to make the finals next year so it's important for us as a team to finish off the season well and get a few wins under our belts and take some confidence into the off-season," he said.
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-sport/graham-throws-his-weight-around-20100731-1106y.html
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Apart from going for the same mark as Jack that one time, a welcome return to form from Gus on Saturday with 32 hitouts clearly ahead of his Saint opponents - McEvoy only had 16 hitouts and Patto 12.
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has improved and maligned unfortunately.
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Gus training through the break at Punt Rd according to Mitch Farmer's twitter
(http://desmond-cf1.yfrog.com/scaled.php/0/620/zzat.jpg/640/640)
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I like the idea of a 200cm 100kg+ giant working his absolute backside off to be incredibly fit for 2011.
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lol still maintain hes ordinary. who knows some times they take big leaps buy usually they dont have such deficiencies at 23.
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That's great claw. The kid can only do the most he can and if he's putting in the hard yards then a big thumbs up to him. :thumbsup
Whether or not he makes it, at least he seems to be doing his utmost to give it his best shot.
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That's great claw. The kid can only do the most he can and if he's putting in the hard yards then a big thumbs up to him. :thumbsup
Whether or not he makes it, at least he seems to be doing his utmost to give it his best shot.
Think he realises that his spot in 2011 isn't a given. With interchange rule changes, bringing in a mature age ruckman in DerykX... I think our number 1 ruck spot is up for grabs;w ould appear Gus knows it too
Good on him for putting in the extra work
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That's great claw. The kid can only do the most he can and if he's putting in the hard yards then a big thumbs up to him. :thumbsup
Whether or not he makes it, at least he seems to be doing his utmost to give it his best shot.
Agreed. I've been critical of Gus but it's great to see him training during the break. Well done, Gus :thumbsup Maybe some of the other lads should follow his lead.
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Think he realises that his spot in 2011 isn't a given. With interchange rule changes, bringing in a mature age ruckman in DerykX... I think our number 1 ruck spot is up for grabs; would appear Gus knows it too
Good on him for putting in the extra work
And there's something I just don't get with professional sportsmen. Why does it take something like a threat to their position or 'job' to get them motivated in doing the extra work? Why that isn't a given for their entire career will always astound me.
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And there's something I just don't get with professional sportsmen. Why does it take something like a threat to their position or 'job' to get them motivated in doing the extra work? Why that isn't a given for their entire career will always astound me.
You don't know that smokey. From what I have seen from Gus he has worked hard ever since he has been with us. The only reason the effort is tied to the security of his job is that there is some doubt as to whether he will make it. If he was a great ruckman everyone would be praising him for his work ethic.
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And there's something I just don't get with professional sportsmen. Why does it take something like a threat to their position or 'job' to get them motivated in doing the extra work? Why that isn't a given for their entire career will always astound me.
You don't know that smokey. From what I have seen from Gus he has worked hard ever since he has been with us. The only reason the effort is tied to the security of his job is that there is some doubt as to whether he will make it. If he was a great ruckman everyone would be praising him for his work ethic.
Where did I say that was about Graham? I was responding to WP's comments about Graham, saying how it amazes me with professional sportspeople that it often takes a threat to their livelihood to motivate them. Do you disagree with me and think every professional sportsperson is 100% motivated/driven for the entire length of their careers?
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Wasn't attacking you smokey. In my opinion the context of your post could only be seen as relating to Angus Graham. No I do not disagree with you. In all professions there are people that are good at their jobs and people who are not so good.
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Wasn't attacking you smokey. In my opinion the context of your post could only be seen as relating to Angus Graham. No I do not disagree with you. In all professions there are people that are good at their jobs and people who are not so good.
Fair enough, I probably could have worded it a bit better. I was only using WP's comments on Graham as a lead in to my opinion on professional sportspeople in general - those loaded up with talent but light on attitude (and often tied in with inflated ego's). I never had much in the way of natural talent but I had a fair crack at whatever sports I played and it has always been something I couldn't get my head around - how you could be blessed with so much ability and not make the most of it. Like you said - happens in all professions, just sticks out to me when it's a sportsperson.
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Think he realises that his spot in 2011 isn't a given. With interchange rule changes, bringing in a mature age ruckman in DerykX... I think our number 1 ruck spot is up for grabs; would appear Gus knows it too
Good on him for putting in the extra work
And there's something I just don't get with professional sportsmen. Why does it take something like a threat to their position or 'job' to get them motivated in doing the extra work? Why that isn't a given for their entire career will always astound me.
Unless my memory has got it completely around the wrong way, wasnt Cotch flying at this time last year and decided to do extra work of his own bat and over did it. Leading him to end up doing more damage than good and not being ready to play for round one?
I think you will find that unless instructed by the fitness staff to do this kind of thing the players are advised not to do extra training, making it hard for them to do what you are saying they should.
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Not far wrong Jacosh - it was the year before when Cotch, Jack and Connors decided to start training straight after the end of the season before the offical preseason began and was when Cotch injuried his achilles. I think one of the other two may have also injuried himself not long after too.
You would imagine Gus has certainly made the fitness staff aware of his extra training especially since he is conducting it at Punt Road itself. Shows a real determination to succeed imho and, even though the actions weren't smart in retrospect, the three young players above seem to have gone on to better things on the back of that self motivated determination to succeed so who knows with Gus. This could be the start of a big year for the young fellow... :-\
Stripes
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Gus' ankle flared up again at the start of the preseason and he missed a couple of weeks of training. He's probably used the Christmas break to catch-up on the amount of running he's missed.
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And there's something I just don't get with professional sportsmen. Why does it take something like a threat to their position or 'job' to get them motivated in doing the extra work? Why that isn't a given for their entire career will always astound me.
Unless my memory has got it completely around the wrong way, wasnt Cotch flying at this time last year and decided to do extra work of his own bat and over did it. Leading him to end up doing more damage than good and not being ready to play for round one?
I think you will find that unless instructed by the fitness staff to do this kind of thing the players are advised not to do extra training, making it hard for them to do what you are saying they should.
Yep, for sure. But "extra work" doesn't have to mean actual extra km's or extra reps - it can mean pushing yourself harder than you ever have, or for longer than you ever have, and it's that overall motivation I'm referring to. I agree that the club would most likely be all over any extra work the players were considering or asking for, especially after the Cotch episode a couple of years back, but the motivation in a professional sportsperson at the top of their particular tree to do everything to the utmost of their capacity, to me should be an ongoing given and not driven by a sudden fear of failure or rejection. Suppose that's where the difference in attitude between winners and losers kicks in.
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Gus dominated the hitouts last night (36 hitouts to Cam Wood's 16) and fair enough he carries most of the workload as No.1 ruck but sheesh he's a volvo driver on a footy field. At times totally oblivious to what is going on around him lol :P.
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Agree with that MT. He got his hands to the ball in a lot of contests and often it was sharked by the scum who were moving while our boys were flat footed.
Aground the ground he is a dinosaur though.
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thought there was a big improvement by Gus last night, we flogged therm in hit outs.
big problem with Gus, gives away too many frees
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He fell over in contests around the ground. He didn't tap to the advantage of a Richmond player. He didn't take any contested marks and didn't back up the defence when help was needed. He was up against Woods who is at best an average ruckman. He let brown take an uncontested mark that led to yet another goal. Not good enough.
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He fell over in contests around the ground. He didn't tap to the advantage of a Richmond player. He didn't take any contested marks and didn't back up the defence when help was needed. He was up against Woods who is at best an average ruckman. He let brown take an uncontested mark that led to yet another goal. Not good enough.
You should watch Vickery then, he is worse
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thought there was a big improvement by Gus last night, we flogged therm in hit outs.
big problem with Gus, gives away too many frees
I agree, I think it was one of his better efforts, we still need a upgrade here though. I have been waiting and waiting for him to take that next step. I had confidence he would but now I am doubting that he has much more to offer than what we saw last night. Maybe if the X man puts some preasure on him (probably not though). Vickery was disapointing last night after taking a few foward steps this year, young still so will give him time.
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I thought Gus was as effective cardboard cut out around the ground. Very very slow.
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Gus getting out marked Steele Sidebottom nearly forced me to jump off the top teir.
He did however have a good 3rd qtr.
Won the hitouts against an ordinary VFL ruckman.
He had a pass game, he's still not the answer for mine. Would love to be proved wrong. No other clubs number 1 ruckman is suspect overhead.
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thought there was a big improvement by Gus last night, we flogged therm in hit outs.
big problem with Gus, gives away too many frees
I agree, I think it was one of his better efforts, we still need a upgrade here though. I have been waiting and waiting for him to take that next step. I had confidence he would but now I am doubting that he has much more to offer than what we saw last night. Maybe if the X man puts some preasure on him (probably not though). Vickery was disapointing last night after taking a few foward steps this year, young still so will give him time.
We don't need an upgrade yet though unless we are going to take another gun junior with an early pick
We can always trade for a ruckmen like Sydney did for Jolly (and Mumford recently), Geelong did for Ottens and then Collingwood did for Jolly. I'm sure there are others too, Hawks have traded for more rucks also.
In fact free agency will be a great way to get a ruckman, 8 years development under the belt and all we need to do is offer a decent contract their current club can't match
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Gus getting out marked Steele Sidebottom nearly forced me to jump off the top teir.
He did however have a good 3rd qtr.
Won the hitouts against an ordinary VFL ruckman.
He had a pass game, he's still not the answer for mine. Would love to be proved wrong. No other clubs number 1 ruckman is suspect overhead.
Exactly played against Cam Wood and not Darren Jolly who is a more influential mobile and more plentiful goal kicking ruckman. Yep the members in the second tier of the Olympic were going beserk when SIdebottom outmarked him.
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I thought Gus was as effective cardboard cut out around the ground. Very very slow.
Bingo. Using his hitout figure as a 'proof' of his worth is a waste of time - almost every tap went to the opposition. Bloody useless lump.
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I thought Gus was as effective cardboard cut out around the ground. Very very slow.
Bingo. Using his hitout figure as a 'proof' of his worth is a waste of time - almost every tap went to the opposition. Bloody useless lump.
Double bingo.
I was a supporter of Gus but this season he has lost me. Useless lump who costs us goals both for and against.
As said, the biggest problem is that even when we win the tap it doesn't go to advantage, usually towards the opposition goals. Why give up yards if it's on the ground?
Astounding that I watched Majac Daw play for Werribee today and he gave the best taps to advantage I've seen in years at any level. Amazingly uninvolved player though.
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Cam Wood is pathetic
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Cam Wood is pathetic
Yep Gus got off light.
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Poor Gus copped it from Walls tonight on One Week At A Time for looking at Hudson at every centre bounce and not the ball. Darcy was a bit more forgiving saying Brendan Lade made a career of having a sneak peak at you as the opposition ruckman and then slamming into your ribs. Purely watching the ball at the centre bounce is brave but it can also be dumb at times. Darcy said Gus just did it poorly and so was ineffective.
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Onya Wallnut :thumbsup
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Poor Gus copped it from Walls tonight on One Week At A Time for looking at Hudson at every centre bounce and not the ball. Darcy was a bit more forgiving saying Brendan Lade made a career of having a sneak peak at you as the opposition ruckman and then slamming into your ribs. Purely watching the ball at the centre bounce is brave but it can also be dumb at times. Darcy said Gus just did it poorly and so was ineffective.
Don't often agree with Wallsy but he was spot on with this, Darcy came across as the dill apart from the part where he said Gus was ineffective ;D
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nothing changes with some players worst no1 ruckman in the comp and only on a par at best with most no2 ruckmen.
on big footy there were some defending this doofus and his performance against hudson.
sheesh we need to go out and get our hands on two or three ruckmen one mature one at that.
the reality of our ruck stocks is.
graham a dud so many deficiencies no wonder he lasted to the rookie list.
browne another rookie with very similar knocks on him as there was on graham, what are the realistic chances of him making it.
derickx a 23 yr old wafl ruckman who showed a bit at wafl but what are the odds of him making it at afl those odds must be slim.
vickery well is he a ruckman or forward either way hes still at least 2 seasons away from first ruck duties if he ends up playing there.
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nothing changes with some players worst no1 ruckman in the comp and only on a par at best with most no2 ruckmen.
on big footy there were some defending this doofus and his performance against hudson.
sheesh we need to go out and get our hands on two or three ruckmen one mature one at that.
the reality of our ruck stocks is.
graham a dud so many deficiencies no wonder he lasted to the rookie list.
browne another rookie with very similar knocks on him as there was on graham, what are the realistic chances of him making it.
derickx a 23 yr old wafl ruckman who showed a bit at wafl but what are the odds of him making it at afl those odds must be slim.
vickery well is he a ruckman or forward either way hes still at least 2 seasons away from first ruck duties if he ends up playing there.
spot on Claw. Tell me how a VFL ruckman can possibly be any worse than Graham.
We need to find out if Browne can play.
I cant bear to watch him anymore go to ground, when he hears footsteps.
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I think the odds
of browne making it are good.
He look promising. I don't understand why he isn't in the team now. I think he'd Offer at least Equal output grhaham is currently proving.
nothing changes with some players worst no1 ruckman in the comp and only on a par at best with most no2 ruckmen.
on big footy there were some defending this doofus and his performance against hudson.
sheesh we need to go out and get our hands on two or three ruckmen one mature one at that.
the reality of our ruck stocks is.
graham a dud so many deficiencies no wonder he lasted to the rookie list.
browne another rookie with very similar knocks on him as there was on graham, what are the realistic chances of him making it.
derickx a 23 yr old wafl ruckman who showed a bit at wafl but what are the odds of him making it at afl those odds must be slim.
vickery well is he a ruckman or forward either way hes still at least 2 seasons away from first ruck duties if he ends up playing there.
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Except for the problem that Graham beats Browne in every single drill at training
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Except for the problem that Graham beats Browne in every single drill at training
Every single drill :o
Er Nope ;D
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The forum is attacking poor Gus like "rutting chimps".
I want him to play in a maids outfit this weekend
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:lol
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I don't like Graham but from what I've seen Browne is miles behind him. I suppose it won't hurt to try him out but I doubt he has the ability to run out even 2 quarters in the big league from what I've seen. He looks too slow, too tired and too awkward to be an AFL player IMO.
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I don't like Graham but from what I've seen Browne is miles behind him. I suppose it won't hurt to try him out but I doubt he has the ability to run out even 2 quarters in the big league from what I've seen. He looks too slow, too tired and too awkward to be an AFL player IMO.
And what was Graham doing when he was the same age as Browne? :banghead Graham is stuffing poo. At least Browne is young
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Except for the problem that Graham beats Browne in every single drill at training
how the stuff would you know that :lol
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I don't like Graham but from what I've seen Browne is miles behind him. I suppose it won't hurt to try him out but I doubt he has the ability to run out even 2 quarters in the big league from what I've seen. He looks too slow, too tired and too awkward to be an AFL player IMO.
And what was Graham doing when he was the same age as Browne? :banghead Graham is effing poo. At least Browne is young
like I said I don't like graham either. I don't think any of them are any good. Hopefuly derrickx is the answer but I don't know.
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Except for the problem that Graham beats Browne in every single drill at training
tap work: browne is better. Doesn't Jump way early unlike others. Makes a contest. Taller
around the ground: browne moves better. Graham 2nd efforts not as good as younger browne.
Marking: browne happy take marks deep forward/back/middle.
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Except for the problem that Graham beats Browne in every single drill at training
tap work: browne is better. Doesn't Jump way early unlike others. Makes a contest. Taller
around the ground: browne moves better. Graham 2nd efforts not as good as younger browne.
Marking: browne happy take marks deep forward/back/middle.
Well that sounds like Browne is the better man then. The question is , why has he not been selected if this is all true?
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Our ruck stocks are thin to say the least.
Last year blair hartley zeroed in on 3 mids who were undervalued at their clubs and we secured 2 of the 3, namely grigg and houli and missed out on sherman.
This year it is blatantly, and unfortunately for tigers supporters, painfully obvious that RFC go into games without a dominant ruckman and at times a non-competitive ruckman. Gus' continued looking at the man (he does this regularly and not just last weekend) and not the ball means he is reacting to his opponent instead of being proactive and focusing on the ball and where he taps it.
Please Mr Hartley find an unloved ruckman at another club that will come to us eg Blake from geelong...anyone ...even putting Kingy in the ruck would be better - he would lose but at least you would have a contest (joke before people respond).
Or alternately instruct Gus not to look at his opponent and merely look at the ball.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr@gus
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Blake :chuck
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What about giving Post or Gourdis a go, having not seen them I am only throwing it out there but don't they have a prettty good leap?? Tuck did it for a season so it wouldn't hurt to try.
Blake is not the answer IMO, not even short term, trade for one, pick one up as our first rounder but don't get Blake.
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Blake :chuck
GG if Blake makes you sick what does Gus do to you then?
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Gus is OUR best ruckman by a long stretch. Browne is not the answer at the moment. His tapwork is reasonable but it stops there. His movement around the ground is ordinary and his endurance makes Gus looks like he is from Kenya. He may yet come on but currently he is far from our No. 1 ruck option.
I hope that Derickx comes on. He looks to be the most mobile and skillful of our ruckmen along with Vickery at the moment. I can see Derickx and Vickery becoming our ruck combination in the near future but only if Derickx can improve his tap work and remain injury free.
But Browne....I just can't see it happening :-X
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GG if Blake makes you sick what does Gus do to you then?
:-*
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GG thats funny but in the meantime we dont have a competitive ruckman.
Watching the vision of Graham standing on the line and watching the ball cross the line for a goal as Rance tried spetacularly unsuccessfully to touch the ball was :-* too. It was simply poetry in motion watching those 2 do that.
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Gus is OUR best ruckman by a long stretch. Browne is not the answer at the moment. His tapwork is reasonable but it stops there. His movement around the ground is ordinary and his endurance makes Gus looks like he is from Kenya. He may yet come on but currently he is far from our No. 1 ruck option.
I hope that Derickx comes on. He looks to be the most mobile and skillful of our ruckmen along with Vickery at the moment. I can see Derickx and Vickery becoming our ruck combination in the near future but only if Derickx can improve his tap work and remain injury free.
But Browne....I just can't see it happening :-X
browne is not natanui but his movment around the ground cannot be any worse than Graham
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GG thats funny but in the meantime we dont have a competitive ruckman.
Watching the vision of Graham standing on the line and watching the ball cross the line for a goal as Rance tried spetacularly unsuccessfully to touch the ball was :-* too. It was simply poetry in motion watching those 2 do that.
Blake would still have been standing in the centre circle
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GG thats funny but in the meantime we dont have a competitive ruckman.
Watching the vision of Graham standing on the line and watching the ball cross the line for a goal as Rance tried spetacularly unsuccessfully to touch the ball was :-* too. It was simply poetry in motion watching those 2 do that.
One of the more unfair/untrue statements about Graham.
He was actually keeping HIS opponent away from the ball, allowing Rance to either punch or mark the ball unopposed.
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I think the odds
of browne making it are good.
He look promising. I don't understand why he isn't in the team now. I think he'd Offer at least Equal output grhaham is currently proving.
nothing changes with some players worst no1 ruckman in the comp and only on a par at best with most no2 ruckmen.
on big footy there were some defending this doofus and his performance against hudson.
sheesh we need to go out and get our hands on two or three ruckmen one mature one at that.
the reality of our ruck stocks is.
graham a dud so many deficiencies no wonder he lasted to the rookie list.
browne another rookie with very similar knocks on him as there was on graham, what are the realistic chances of him making it.
derickx a 23 yr old wafl ruckman who showed a bit at wafl but what are the odds of him making it at afl those odds must be slim.
vickery well is he a ruckman or forward either way hes still at least 2 seasons away from first ruck duties if he ends up playing there.
not saying browne wont but geez he has a long way to go. the above appraisal was given mainly as a reason why we should be looking to get more ruckmen on the list. load up a little if you like. if we end up with 4 or 5 decent ruckmen we then do what other well run clubs have done trade out the excess for decent picks.
atm we cant say we have 1 very good ruckman in our system yet alone 4 or 5. its likely we will turn 5 or 6 just to end up with 3. thats the way it works.
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What we have is 4 ruckman all u23 you pessimistic toad.
Long term it's a healthy postion to be in given ruckman don't start finding. Best form untill 25/26
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GG thats funny but in the meantime we dont have a competitive ruckman.
Watching the vision of Graham standing on the line and watching the ball cross the line for a goal as Rance tried spetacularly unsuccessfully to touch the ball was :-* too. It was simply poetry in motion watching those 2 do that.
One of the more unfair/untrue statements about Graham.
He was actually keeping HIS opponent away from the ball, allowing Rance to either punch or mark the ball unopposed.
Redan I saw the vision again on Monday night - Graham is on the goal line, an opponent (not sure if it was Gus' man was standing in front of Gus and Rance was in front of both of them. How was Gus keeping his man out of the contest from behind?
Gus was the last man standing on the goal line. Isnt it the ruckman's job on the goal line to touch the ball so that it goes through for a behind and not a goal?
Unfortunately I cannot find vision on the net of what I am trying to describe. A highlights package of the bulldogs goals is what I am trying to find.
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bye angus
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Yes!
Bring on Big Red!!
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GG thats funny but in the meantime we dont have a competitive ruckman.
Watching the vision of Graham standing on the line and watching the ball cross the line for a goal as Rance tried spetacularly unsuccessfully to touch the ball was :-* too. It was simply poetry in motion watching those 2 do that.
any chance of anyone having any vision of it, i completely missed it.
He is a complete whimp that bloke. I cringe every time i see footage of him falling to his knees as if a tornado was bearing down to him.
We are better off without him. He is everything we dont want in a footballer
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I don't like Graham but from what I've seen Browne is miles behind him. I suppose it won't hurt to try him out but I doubt he has the ability to run out even 2 quarters in the big league from what I've seen. He looks too slow, too tired and too awkward to be an AFL player IMO.
I thought Browne's form at Coburg up until last week has been very strong.
What more can he do?
Certainly worth a try, I reckon.
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I don't like Graham but from what I've seen Browne is miles behind him. I suppose it won't hurt to try him out but I doubt he has the ability to run out even 2 quarters in the big league from what I've seen. He looks too slow, too tired and too awkward to be an AFL player IMO.
I thought Browne's form at Coburg up until last week has been very strong.
What more can he do?
Certainly worth a try, I reckon.
well ok then. The match committee must think he's up to the task. I personally can't see it. I know he's young but I don't like his running style too much dinosaur if you ask me. Big ask too against Hill and Ryder.
I hope I'm wrong though and he's the next sandilands/cox/Mumford.
I hope he does well. :gotigers
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He is a complete whimp that bloke. I cringe every time i see footage of him falling to his knees as if a tornado was bearing down to him.
We are better off without him. He is everything we dont want in a footballer
Spot on Daniel. Never been so happy to see an In and Out as I was when I got my SMS today. I don't care if Browne doesn't set the world on fire - I am just so glad to see the back of the biggest marshmallow playing senior AFL football.
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Watching the vision of Graham standing on the line and watching the ball cross the line for a goal as Rance tried spetacularly unsuccessfully to touch the ball was :-* too. It was simply poetry in motion watching those 2 do that.
any chance of anyone having any vision of it, i completely missed it.
He is a complete whimp that bloke. I cringe every time i see footage of him falling to his knees as if a tornado was bearing down to him.
We are better off without him. He is everything we dont want in a footballer
Con, I went to the AFL site and found it under the Game Analyser, Footscray Goals, 97.02 minutes, Liam Jones goal.
http://www.gameanalyser.afl.com.au/?round=784&match=10310807&videoQuality=high
Their last goal in the third quarter, if it makes things easier.
I think it shows what I described, Graham pushing Minson away from the goal line and under the ball while allowing Rance to come back and hit the ball.
Neither Richmond player shows a great deal of ability or understanding but IMO Graham was doing the right thing and relying on Rance to rush the behind.
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Should always be the taller player IMO
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The Footscray players were getting into Rance about it. I'm not sure whose mistake it was but they seemed to think it was his.
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What we have is 4 ruckman all u23 you pessimistic toad.
Long term it's a healthy postion to be in given ruckman don't start finding. Best form untill 25/26
not getting into a slanging match all i have to say is its only a healthy situation if you are reasonably sure you have at least 2 decent ruckmen on your list. most clubs can categorically say they have at least one if not two at the least afl standard ruckmen. the idea is to actually compete and find better than other sides.
clearly this is not the case. bloody hell every man and his dog on most richmond forums have been telling me graham is the best we have.
all im asking is what is the likely hood given where each player comes from and their weaknesses, of them actually making it.
no need for the abuse at the end of the day i want exactly the same thing as you. that is we find a couple of decent ruckmen. i just happen to think we dont have long term ruckmen on our list and think we need to load up a bit and ensure we do find a couple of good ones.
what would you propose we do if graham browne and derickx dont make it and vickery becomes primarily a forward. myself and many others have already written graham off as any thinking football follower should.so in effect we are trying to find 2 ruckmen from 3. it just does not happen.
without a doubt come seasons end graham should be delisted and his spot should be taken by another ruckman. we need to turn em over until we find the quality we want.
so what do we do just let matters rest and risk in 3 yrs time having to start from scratch. or do we cater now to the worst case scenario load up with a few extra ruckmen in an attempt to ensure we find what we need. what is there to lose we are in rebuild if we end up with 4 good ruckmen we sell two to the highest bidder for decent picks. this is what well run clubs have done and do.
anyway like i said no need for the abuse we want the same thing i at least come up with a way that i think will help us actually find some decent ruckmen and could well benefit us at draft time in the future.
i will say again its only healthy if you actually have ruckmen who become bonafide afl standard players we have to cater for failure not every player we take is going to make it. you wouldnt realise this given the way supporters talk about every single player on our list. we have to be realistic and in being realistic and its only my opinion graham has to go. we wont know if vickery is a decent ruckman for two yrs and the odds atm of both browne and derickx making it are short. like you i hope the whole friggen lot of them become guns but common sense says it wont happen.
im not putting the players down im just saying hey lets cover our bets here.
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Except for the problem that Graham beats Browne in every single drill at training
browne has ticker.
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Gus is back
Ruckman Angus Graham has been recalled to the Richmond side for Sunday’s Round 18 clash with Geelong at Etihad Stadium.
Graham, who hasn’t played at AFL level since the Tigers’ Round 8 match against the Western Bulldogs, replaces Andrew Browne, who has been omitted
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/119135/default.aspx
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Working hard, I don't rate him but hats off for working pretty hard.
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Agreed.
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Graham today pretty much sums RFC up.
Tries hard but has limited or no impact.
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I personally like him as a player, however I just dont rate him highly
He has good height and body size and tries but is just not chop
Even when we played freo at the G, Sandilands dominated the entire game, but Gus never gave imo
It does some up richmond doesnt it
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Not the answer for finals let alone a flag but hats off for having a dig.
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Im sorry but I rate Brownes effort >> than Gus and I have always supported Gus. Gus basicly does nothing around the ground, even the players think twice about giving it to him.
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Graham and Browne shouldnt be on the list at the end of the year.
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Gus easily won more hitouts today :o. 28 to Gus while West had 17.
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Graham and Browne shouldnt be on the list at the end of the year.
Agree.
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Gus easily won more hitouts today :o. 28 to Gus while West had 17.
That's why West is down the pecking order at Geelong and Blake is even further back now that the father and son rule has served its purpose and he played in a premiership.
No and no to either ruckman.
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Yeah and some want Blake, seriously what a joke! May as well let Tuck take the ruck pos.
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At the press conference after the game Dimma spoke about it being difficult to come in and pick up the pace at AFL level first up after a 10 week absence. Not sure if he was talking about Tuck or Graham from the short snippet SEN played. Dimma then said Angus was just okay before hesistating and saying hard to say until he looks at the tape.
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Angus was terrible, forget about watching the tapes :banghead
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Angus was terrible, forget about watching the tapes :banghead
Agreed
Wont make contests when he needs too
How West was able to take that mark in the 3rd qtr floating across the pack while Gus was 15 metres away was disgraceful and then to throw his head back must say to his team mates "why didn't you spoil him" somes up why Gus shouldn't be on the list let alone in the team.
A very selfish player is Angus
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Gus is the latest Under the Tigerscope ....
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/430776/Under%20the%20Tigerscope:%20Graham/
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Angus Guthrie Turtle Graham :clapping
you gotta love the goose
:lol
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What animal would you like to be?
"Ahhhh...maybe a turtle just cuz they hang round you know, chill out and dont have to do much...just hide in your shell you know turtle maybe"
:lol
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"Hot girl, bit of fun, and your old man"
:ROTFL
This man will rise again like a beef flavoured phoenix
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Thank Geez he is contracted for next year :gotigers
Bit of fun :lol
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Really cant see him getting a gig for a while or improving, he would have to do a 100% turn around and I dont mean in the locker room where he does now... :o
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He moves like a turtle.
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This man will rise again like a beef flavoured phoenix
Thank you so much Gerks. After an extremely crappy day working in the mud and rain this made me laugh out long and very loud. :thumbsup
:lol :rollin :lol
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:thumbsup ;D
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According to twitter:
Its your Birthday!!
:birthday Goose!!
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It appears one-eyed only wishes the popular players a happy birthday. I am disgusted
Popped round to Senior Turtles pad few hours ago. is in good spirits
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Holy mackerel that was a laugh and a half! :lol
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What's not to love here guys, i mean,seriously. :scream
This bloke is priceless.
Rename the goal square the "BBQ" and sit the beef in there.
Not allowed to leave the parameter
Turtle...FFS. ::)
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It appears one-eyed only wishes the popular players a happy birthday. I am disgusted
LOL. I forgot to post Cotch's birthday (7/4) as well and we share the same day :wallywink.
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What's not to love here guys, i mean,seriously. :scream
This bloke is priceless.
Rename the goal square the "BBQ" and sit the beef in there.
Not allowed to leave the parameter
Turtle...FFS. ::)
Best bloke at the club
It appears one-eyed only wishes the popular players a happy birthday. I am disgusted
LOL. I forgot to post Cotch's birthday (7/4) as well and we share the same day :wallywink.
No one gives a poo :lol
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Must not play anymore.
Little girl in the body a big man.
Does.not chase
A browne.or elton would at least pretend to show forwrd line pressure.
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why the hell did you bring up this post bentleigh????....lets let his name and and his time at RFC drift off into oblivion ..just reading a post with his name in it reminds me how insipid he is as a footballer
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Looks like Tarzan plays like Jane
At least we have chimp
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putting chimp and angus in the same sentence is mindblowing
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First time chimp.has hit someone due to a rfc players crapness
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i think chimp should start hitting the spastics that play alongside him..lol
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Might be half a chance this week now.
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Gus was selected #1 in the SANFL mini-draft.
YESSSSSSSSS
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Gus was selected #1 in the SANFL mini-draft.
YESSSSSSSSS
GAF.... :sleep
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Ruckman recruit Angus Graham puts Sam Jacobs on notice over top spot at Adelaide Crows
CROWS recruit Angus Graham says he will not concede the No.1 ruck position to Sam Jacobs without a fight, aiming to make an Ivan Maric-like impact at his new club next year.
Graham witnessed first hand the inspiring turnaround former Crow Maric made after crossing to the Tigers last season and says if he's given the opportunity he can do the same.
"Ivan came across to Richmond and had an outstanding year,'' Graham said.
"He was in my position going across (to a new club) and then the coach backed him in and gave him opportunity and a bit of confidence and he flourished.
"I think I can play a lot better footy than I have in the past and compete for that spot.''
While Maric was handed the keys to the Richmond midfield in Round 1, Graham will have to wait for an injury or dramatic drop in form to strike Jacobs to get his opportunity.
But the 25-year-old, who was brought in as insurance when the Crows realised they were losing Kurt Tippett, doesn't see it that way.
"I don't see it as a given,'' Graham said.
"Obviously he's coming off a really good year - All-Australian squad and all that. I still think through form slumps, through injuries and through pre-season I'm still going to push and train and go for the spot.
"I've played against Sam a lot - I know how good a player he is. He's quite mobile for a big guy and quite skilful. I was well aware coming across how good a player he was and how much improvement I'll have to make to get the spot.''
Most expect Brenton Sanderson to use a more mobile, attacking option to back up Jacobs this year, such as Josh Jenkins or Shaun McKernan.
But Graham believes he could play in the same side as the Crows' No.1 big man.
"If I can snag a couple of goals a game I think that will help me,'' he said.
In order to achieve his goals, Graham admits he'll have to improve his fitness in the next month after being surprised by the Crows' conditioning.
"The boys are pretty fit here, so I'm just trying to catch up,'' he said.
"I probably didn't expect them to be as fit as they are, so I've been quite surprised in that area.''
The 201cm tapman is expected to be the No.1 selection in the SANFL mini draft later this month.
Sturt, which holds the pick, will meet tonight to decide whether to keep Graham or sell him to a rival club for a transfer fee.
"I can't do much about that,'' Graham said. "If I'm playing there (in the SANFL) I just want to play good football.''
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/big-recruit-angus-graham-puts-sam-jacobs-on-notice-over-top-spot-at-adelaide-crows/story-e6freck3-1226534045026
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This thread should be moved to "View from the outer".
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This thread should be moved to "View from the outer".
Please
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This thread should be moved to "View from the outer".
x 100 ;D
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:lol
Ivan Maric always had one thing that has Gus never had, a heart.
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This thread should be moved to "View from the outer".
Maybe you can apply for a moderating job here and you can do it yourself ;D
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I think you need to move every former Richmond player threads to view from the outer now. This is racist TBH
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This thread should be moved to "View from the outer".
This thread should be moved to "WGAF"
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:lol
Ivan Maric always had one thing that has Gus never had, a heart.
Ability. Also.
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UT of the finals race with four games left to play, it is every footballer's worst nightmare.
Hope is such an important part of a player's life, that when it is gone the game is never quite the same.
The Crows loss to the Power in last Sunday's Showdown officially ended their hopes of a long shot challenge for the premiership in September and resigned them to a disappointing finish in what can only be described as a very disappointing season.
From the Kurt Tippett disaster and the subsequent suspensions of CEO Stephen Trigg and Phil Harper, to the restrictions imposed on Dean Bailey, to Taylor Walker's season-ending injury and the retirement of Graham Johncock, controversy has never been far away from the Crows in 2013 and focusing on on-field matters has been difficult for all.
Not just some but for all!
Fingers should not be pointed, but responsibility must be accepted.
The impact of an unfulfilled season that continues much like it began way back in February must be scrutinised with brutal honesty from the lack of cohesion in the coaches box to the lack of predictability on the field.
Strengths of just 12 months ago turned into weaknesses this season and while there was much to admire about the performances of the youngsters introduced in 2013 there was just as much to be concerned by the form of some more seasoned players.
The Crows never got going all year. Questions must be asked. Answers must be found.
That said, the Adelaide Football Club and their players have plenty to play for over the last four games of the minor round.
Restoring the faith with their supporters ahead of their much-anticipated move to Adelaide Oval next year is the most important and off-field matters must play second fiddle to more immediate issues on-field for the immediate future.
Sorting the playing list out will be the number one priority when the games are done and while David Noble will have been assessing it in detail over the entire year the squad will require in-depth analysis once the season is over.
Determining who are the untouchables and who are tradables is a job no one likes, but must be done.
The one beauty of an early finish is some time can now be afforded to list management and some considered opinions will be required on evolving this group of players into regular finals contenders.
It is not a job for the faint hearted.
List management done there are a few other pieces of the puzzle at West Lakes in need of minor surgery.
The team has not been sharp, has not played on the edge has not been fit enough to execute the game plan it desires.
It is a mistake that can be made but must never be repeated.
Tackling in its method and execution is in a similar state of disrepair but may have suffered as a result of the fitness decline while the forward line has had its excuses with injury but is also in need of an overhaul.
Such is the life of an AFL coach.
Just when you think you've got it right it can lose its shape very quickly.
For all at the AFC 2014 can't come soon enough..
UNTOUCHABLE
Nathan Van Berlo
Taylor Walker
Lewis Johnston
Tom Lynch
Jason Porplyzia
Sam Jacobs
Patrick Dangerfield
Rory Sloane
Richard Douglas
Brad Crouch
Scott Thompson
Sam Kerridge
Jarryd Lyons
Bernie Vince
Matthew Wright
Rory Laird
Brodie Smith
Luke Brown
Ben Rutten
Daniel Talia
Angus Graham
Mitch Grigg
Cam Ellis Yolmen
Kyle Hartigan
Ricky Henderson
Josh Jenkins
David Mackay
Andy Otten
Jared Petrenko
Brent Reilly
Aidan Riley
Sam Shaw
UNPROVEN
Rory Atkins
Nick Joyce
Sam Siggins
In doubt
Matthew Jaensch
Brodie Martin
Luke Thompson
Ian Callinan
Richard Tambling
TRADEABLE
Shaun McKernan
IT'S OVER
Graham Johncock
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http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/sorting-out-the-playing-list-is-adelaide-crows8217-main-priority/story-fnia3m7u-1226694795668
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UT of the finals race with four games left to play, it is every footballer's worst nightmare.
Hope is such an important part of a player's life, that when it is gone the game is never quite the same.
The Crows loss to the Power in last Sunday's Showdown officially ended their hopes of a long shot challenge for the premiership in September and resigned them to a disappointing finish in what can only be described as a very disappointing season.
From the Kurt Tippett disaster and the subsequent suspensions of CEO Stephen Trigg and Phil Harper, to the restrictions imposed on Dean Bailey, to Taylor Walker's season-ending injury and the retirement of Graham Johncock, controversy has never been far away from the Crows in 2013 and focusing on on-field matters has been difficult for all.
Not just some but for all!
Fingers should not be pointed, but responsibility must be accepted.
The impact of an unfulfilled season that continues much like it began way back in February must be scrutinised with brutal honesty from the lack of cohesion in the coaches box to the lack of predictability on the field.
Strengths of just 12 months ago turned into weaknesses this season and while there was much to admire about the performances of the youngsters introduced in 2013 there was just as much to be concerned by the form of some more seasoned players.
The Crows never got going all year. Questions must be asked. Answers must be found.
That said, the Adelaide Football Club and their players have plenty to play for over the last four games of the minor round.
Restoring the faith with their supporters ahead of their much-anticipated move to Adelaide Oval next year is the most important and off-field matters must play second fiddle to more immediate issues on-field for the immediate future.
Sorting the playing list out will be the number one priority when the games are done and while David Noble will have been assessing it in detail over the entire year the squad will require in-depth analysis once the season is over.
Determining who are the untouchables and who are tradables is a job no one likes, but must be done.
The one beauty of an early finish is some time can now be afforded to list management and some considered opinions will be required on evolving this group of players into regular finals contenders.
It is not a job for the faint hearted.
List management done there are a few other pieces of the puzzle at West Lakes in need of minor surgery.
The team has not been sharp, has not played on the edge has not been fit enough to execute the game plan it desires.
It is a mistake that can be made but must never be repeated.
Tackling in its method and execution is in a similar state of disrepair but may have suffered as a result of the fitness decline while the forward line has had its excuses with injury but is also in need of an overhaul.
Such is the life of an AFL coach.
Just when you think you've got it right it can lose its shape very quickly.
For all at the AFC 2014 can't come soon enough..
UNTOUCHABLE
Nathan Van Berlo
Taylor Walker
Lewis Johnston
Tom Lynch
Jason Porplyzia
Sam Jacobs
Patrick Dangerfield
Rory Sloane
Richard Douglas
Brad Crouch
Scott Thompson
Sam Kerridge
Jarryd Lyons
Bernie Vince
Matthew Wright
Rory Laird
Brodie Smith
Luke Brown
Ben Rutten
Daniel Talia
Angus Graham
Mitch Grigg
Cam Ellis Yolmen
Kyle Hartigan
Ricky Henderson
Josh Jenkins
David Mackay
Andy Otten
Jared Petrenko
Brent Reilly
Aidan Riley
Sam Shaw
UNPROVEN
Rory Atkins
Nick Joyce
Sam Siggins
In doubt
Matthew Jaensch
Brodie Martin
Luke Thompson
Ian Callinan
Richard Tambling
TRADEABLE
Shaun McKernan
IT'S OVER
Graham Johncock
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http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/sorting-out-the-playing-list-is-adelaide-crows8217-main-priority/story-fnia3m7u-1226694795668
The dude who wrote that must be as deluded as Coach!!
How the hell does Gus fall into the untouchable catogry before the untried catogry?
He haven't even played a bloody game for them!!!
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Can play.
:lol
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Untouchable because no one would touch him?
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Untouchable because no one would touch him?
Coach does
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Gotta love Angus 'Boomer' Graham
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We need the big cheese back now that Adelaide have let this one slip through the cracks
Can the mods please move back to Richmond Rant as he will be in the yellow and black soon
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Angus for Megan gale sight swap :pray
Bring tambling back too