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Re: Angus Graham
« Reply #120 on: February 28, 2010, 02:50:41 PM »
no polak.we delist him then rookie him knowing we will likely need experience i can understand the logic but a real quality player was available to us in bradshaw.

i have mentioned on here a few times the club should have actively targeted  someone like sam jacobs at carlton  for a ruck berth in fact i wanted him as a rookie  moran was another i was prepared to take a punt on.

its about proper succession plans and ours was is flawed. we had an ageing simmonds and then graham who was supposed to take over the #1 mantle which in turn would allow  vickery time to develop.  but graham was always a high risk and we have done nothing to cover for his possible failure. its coming home to roost now.

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Re: Angus Graham
« Reply #121 on: February 28, 2010, 04:10:07 PM »
no polak.we delist him then rookie him knowing we will likely need experience i can understand the logic but a real quality player was available to us in bradshaw.


When was Bradshaw available to us?
He didn't want to live in Melbourne.

ps Polak is not one of the 14 new faces.
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Re: Angus Graham
« Reply #122 on: February 28, 2010, 04:19:39 PM »
but graham was always a high risk and we have done nothing to cover for his possible failure. its coming home to roost now.

It's not as if Gus's shortfalls are going to be the reason we won't make the 8 this year or next.  By the time we are in that position Vickery should be right to go and Gus will most likely be gone.

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Re: Angus Graham
« Reply #123 on: February 28, 2010, 11:15:34 PM »
no polak.we delist him then rookie him knowing we will likely need experience i can understand the logic but a real quality player was available to us in bradshaw.


When was Bradshaw available to us?
He didn't want to live in Melbourne.

ps Polak is not one of the 14 new faces.
bradshaw was available in the psd at pick 2.  he nominated his price which sydney met we only had to agree to pay his nominated price and he was ours. the psd is exactly that a draft. if you nominate  there is no guarantee you will go where you want.
when richo retired late in the piece  someone like bradshaw should have become  a priority.

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Re: Angus Graham
« Reply #124 on: February 28, 2010, 11:17:17 PM »
but graham was always a high risk and we have done nothing to cover for his possible failure. its coming home to roost now.

It's not as if Gus's shortfalls are going to be the reason we won't make the 8 this year or next.  By the time we are in that position Vickery should be right to go and Gus will most likely be gone.
hmm  na i cant be bothered. if you dont get it by now you never will.

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Re: Angus Graham
« Reply #125 on: March 01, 2010, 12:18:01 PM »
bradshaw was available in the psd at pick 2.  he nominated his price which sydney met we only had to agree to pay his nominated price and he was ours. the psd is exactly that a draft. if you nominate  there is no guarantee you will go where you want.
when richo retired late in the piece  someone like bradshaw should have become  a priority.
Yeah, technically he was available but he wasn't available. Carlton found that out when they threw everything at him to get him.

His family is his priority. That was made clear when his wife and 4 kids were constantly mentioned in articles about him moving from Brisbane. He didn't want to live in Melbourne.
This is the bloke who stood out of Brisbane's first ever final to be with his wife who was expecting to give birth.

Maybe he would have come to Richmond for the stipulated 3 years if picked up at PSD 2. It's a fair bet he wouldn't have been happy and likely a waste of a pick. Richmond has already been there with David Williams in the 1989 PSD.
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Re: Angus Graham
« Reply #126 on: March 01, 2010, 01:02:00 PM »
no polak.we delist him then rookie him knowing we will likely need experience i can understand the logic but a real quality player was available to us in bradshaw.


When was Bradshaw available to us?
He didn't want to live in Melbourne.

ps Polak is not one of the 14 new faces.
bradshaw was available in the psd at pick 2.  he nominated his price which sydney met we only had to agree to pay his nominated price and he was ours. the psd is exactly that a draft. if you nominate  there is no guarantee you will go where you want.
when richo retired late in the piece  someone like bradshaw should have become  a priority.

I believe obtaining depth in our ruck department wasn't a high priority in the past given the amount of problems we had all over the field that needed to be rectified first. This is why we recruited midfielders first, then KPP and then ruckmen. In Lids year we tried to find a ruckman in Patto from a very short list. The problem has been for such a long time is that we keep trying to plug holes only to find new ones popping up all the time.

As you know ruckman are notoriously late developers and require years of development and patience. The problem with this though is you wait years and they can still be average to poor. Gus was a rookie, as was Browne so they will take a lot of development because they are starting so far back which has not been a strength of ours as a club to date. Gus still needs a lot of education which I believe will not start to show in earnest for another 2 years. Browne probably 3. Regardless of whether Vickery steps up or not we will need to find another ruckman at least to support him so getting rid of Gus and co at the moment would be counter productive. Until we can trade for another solid ruck or groom on of our own, they are all we have.

In regards to securing Bradshaw when Richo left, this would have been a waste of time. Unless Bradshaw is a teacher, educator and coach in the making like perhaps Cousins is, what's the use of getting Bradshaw in to win us some meaningless games only to leave us with the same hole when he retires. Better to have Polly in there who can quickly step aside when other young forwards step up. I like the idea of having a mature forward to allow the younger forwards time but not at the expense of future development.

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Re: Angus Graham [merged]
« Reply #127 on: May 06, 2010, 05:48:05 PM »
Gus' papers stamped?

He hasn't come in for Simmo and Polly who has will probably ruck.
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Re: Angus Graham [merged]
« Reply #128 on: May 06, 2010, 05:56:46 PM »
I'm sure I read somewhere that a poster thought he might have some gameplan pattern learning challenges. 

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Re: Angus Graham [merged]
« Reply #129 on: May 06, 2010, 06:02:14 PM »
I'm sure I read somewhere that a poster thought he might have some gameplan pattern learning challenges. 

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Re: Angus Graham [merged]
« Reply #130 on: May 06, 2010, 06:05:45 PM »
I was trying not to say it, but that's what I was getting at, MT.

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Re: Angus Graham [merged]
« Reply #131 on: May 06, 2010, 06:14:04 PM »
Gus' papers stamped?

If so that's a lot of time and resources invested for very little reward. :P

Waaay too many eggs in the Vickery basket atm for mine.

Our ruck situation is desperate.

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« Reply #132 on: May 06, 2010, 06:18:35 PM »
Gus' papers stamped?

If so that's a lot of time and resources invested for very little reward. :P

Waaay too many eggs in the Vickery basket atm for mine.

Our ruck situation is desperate.


then we need to target an uncontracted ruckman ... of some quality if possible!

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« Reply #133 on: May 06, 2010, 09:48:44 PM »
Gus' papers stamped?

If so that's a lot of time and resources invested for very little reward. :P

Waaay too many eggs in the Vickery basket atm for mine.

Our ruck situation is desperate.


then we need to target an uncontracted ruckman ... of some quality if possible!

What is Mitch Clarke's status?

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Re: Angus Graham [merged]
« Reply #134 on: May 06, 2010, 09:52:42 PM »
Gus' papers stamped?

If so that's a lot of time and resources invested for very little reward. :P

Waaay too many eggs in the Vickery basket atm for mine.

Our ruck situation is desperate.


then we need to target an uncontracted ruckman ... of some quality if possible!

What is Mitch Clarke's status?

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