Angus Graham [merged]

[jackstar is back again]

But if Angus watched Jamie, he would of noticed how be blocked, got in the way of the opposition today etc etc.Jamie has had 2 total knee reconstructions as well..

Jamie stats are good, averages 4 marks a game and 5 kicks.
Does Gus know how to mark ?

Gus would battle to rip a wet tissue, Charman just bulldozes them

Agree I was there and at every centre square ball up I kept thinking......

GUS WATCH THE BLOODY BALL AND NOT THE MAN!

on the other thread where I said he need to stop hanging his head and that his body language was terrible was on display on Saturday night.

Example: He stands in the oppositions goal square watchng the ball go through for a goal - then he just stands there for 10 secs, hands on hips and then starts to trudge back to the INTERCHANGE where Vickery is waitng to go on...... once Gus gets to the the 50m arc he starts to sprint off, Vickery then has to bolt to the centre squanre and just makes it.... sorry this isn't being team orientated...this is Gus thinking about Gus....

Anyone who thinks he rucked well is kidding themselves ..he gets plenty of taps....straight down to his feet or the opposition 

WP, read my posts on Angus Graham .
He is a DISGRACE!

[WilliamPowell]

WP, read my posts on Angus Graham .
He is a DISGRACE!

I did jack - I think we are agreeing 

[Coach]

Hey Jack, who do you prefer....the old #25 or the new one? 

Seriously though, it's time for Gus to step up. 23 years old soon and in his 5th year. Needs to get 10+ touches a game, IMO.

[jackstar is back again]

WP, read my posts on Angus Graham .
He is a DISGRACE!

I did jack - I think we are agreeing 

LOL we agree on Connors as well.
As for Angus, he is just a big girl, shows no grunt whatsover,
Doesnt understand he plays in a team and should be helping others out, especially the back 6

[jackstar is back again]

Hey Jack, who do you prefer....the old #25 or the new one? 

Seriously though, it's time for Gus to step up. 23 years old soon and in his 5th year. Needs to get 10+ touches a game, IMO.

NEITHER, as thats why we are on the bottom.
Mate, why on earth we keep picking players who aint up to it.
Schulz was the dumbest player I have anything to do with.
Add Adam Paterson as well, he had no idea, good bloke, cant play.
As for Graham, he would battle to spell the word ""mark "' let alone take one.

[bojangles17]

Hey Jack, who do you prefer....the old #25 or the new one? 

Seriously though, it's time for Gus to step up. 23 years old soon and in his 5th year. Needs to get 10+ touches a game, IMO.

NEITHER, as thats why we are on the bottom.
Mate, why on earth we keep picking players who aint up to it.
Schulz was the dumbest player I have anything to do with.
Add Adam Paterson as well, he had no idea, good bloke, cant play.
As for Graham, he would battle to spell the word ""mark "' let alone take one.

the rucks were my major dissapointment from the game, up against no-one they failed to take a mark bw them, can you believe that...Im losiing it with Gus . earlier on I thought he was alright, perhaps give his chances to Browne

[jackstar is back again]

might add one of the easiest things to do on the ground is for a big man to take an uncontested mark.
Not at Richmond it isnt, LOL

[cub]

Might just add that once it gets below his knees may as well close up shop 

Mongo

[jackstar is back again]

Might just add that once it gets below his knees may as well close up shop 

Mongo

patto was the same actually.

[Infamy]

Just to revist this, I noticed this while scouting for Dreamteam players

Round 1 NAB Cup
Graham 0 Kicks 3 Handballs 0 Marks 19 Hitouts 1 Tackle 0 Goals 0 Points (22 Years Old/18 Games Experience)
Charman 1 Kicks 3 Handballs 0 Marks 20 Hitouts 1 Tackle 0 Goals 0 Points (27 Years Old/129 Games Experience)

[WilliamPowell]

Just to revist this, I noticed this while scouting for Dreamteam players

Round 1 NAB Cup
Graham 0 Kicks 3 Handballs 0 Marks 19 Hitouts 1 Tackle 0 Goals 0 Points (22 Years Old/18 Games Experience)
Charman 1 Kicks 3 Handballs 0 Marks 20 Hitouts 1 Tackle 0 Goals 0 Points (27 Years Old/129 Games Experience)

I'd like to know their "Hitouts to advantage" stats.... that would be interesting

[WA Tiger]

Just to revist this, I noticed this while scouting for Dreamteam players

Round 1 NAB Cup
Graham 0 Kicks 3 Handballs 0 Marks 19 Hitouts 1 Tackle 0 Goals 0 Points (22 Years Old/18 Games Experience)
Charman 1 Kicks 3 Handballs 0 Marks 20 Hitouts 1 Tackle 0 Goals 0 Points (27 Years Old/129 Games Experience)

Well hoora and this is what I have been saying, Graham is a tap ruckman and thats it, maybe the odd goal kicker too. I thought he played well in the NAB game but again I was shot down while a lot kept saying "tell him to watch Charman" well there is the result!!

[the claw]

sheesh i carry on about glass half fulls, but with angus its only about a quarter full.

so how many more yrs do people propose we give angus.  2 3 4 . im certyain in 4 yrs time he will still have the many same deficiencies and he will still be  a quarter full. well maybe a bit harsh if we are lucky he may reach  the glass half full rating.

another 2  4 yrs would make him a 7 yr  long term underachiever just like the bulk of players we have had over the yrs.
for christs sake just once cant we look at a players deficiencies and make the correct early call on him.

if hardwick does nothing else in his 3 yrs  i hope like hell this is one area he fixes.

[jackstar is back again]

Angus =

[WilliamPowell]

Well hoora and this is what I have been saying, Graham is a tap ruckman and thats it,

He maybe just be a "tap ruckman" but where and who he taps it to is more then relevant. the way the game is played today he needs to be much more...

Just to revist this, I noticed this while scouting for Dreamteam players

Round 1 NAB Cup
Graham 0 Kicks 3 Handballs 0 Marks 19 Hitouts 1 Tackle 0 Goals 0 Points (22 Years Old/18 Games Experience)
Charman 1 Kicks 3 Handballs 0 Marks 20 Hitouts 1 Tackle 0 Goals 0 Points (27 Years Old/129 Games Experience)

He can get 40 hit outs a game but if he is tapping it down to his own feet, or tapping it down the throat of the opposition then they aren't worth very much as it doens't help his team.

Another thing from the other week if people are going to compare the stats between to the Charman & Graham is the conditions. Graham played in perfect conditions and had 3 handballs. Charman played in a monsoon  not exactly ideal conditions for big blokes.... but look at his tap outs and where they go and you soon realise why young Gus should what a bit of Charman