Angus Graham [merged]

[jackstar is back again]

Since when was he meant to be a world beater?
Hille is 29 years old this year, Ryder was Pick 7 in the 2005 draft, Graham was a rookie pick in the 2005 rookie draft
Its a disgrace that he needs to be our #1 ruckman, not that he isn't at the same level as elite juniors
If he can play like he did against North Melbourne last year then he'll be fine.

If you are 6ft 5 or what ever , cant get a kick or a mark in game of football, ( at last night wasnt the first time either ) , what hope have you got,

[Infamy]

Since when was he meant to be a world beater?
Hille is 29 years old this year, Ryder was Pick 7 in the 2005 draft, Graham was a rookie pick in the 2005 rookie draft
Its a disgrace that he needs to be our #1 ruckman, not that he isn't at the same level as elite juniors
If he can play like he did against North Melbourne last year then he'll be fine.

If you are 6ft 5 or what ever , cant get a kick or a mark in game of football, ( at last night wasnt the first time either ) , what hope have you got,

Well please tell us the solution mr iknoweverythingthereistoknowaboutfootballcauseisaidso

[jackstar is back again]

Since when was he meant to be a world beater?
Hille is 29 years old this year, Ryder was Pick 7 in the 2005 draft, Graham was a rookie pick in the 2005 rookie draft
Its a disgrace that he needs to be our #1 ruckman, not that he isn't at the same level as elite juniors
If he can play like he did against North Melbourne last year then he'll be fine.

If you are 6ft 5 or what ever , cant get a kick or a mark in game of football, ( at last night wasnt the first time either ) , what hope have you got,

Well please tell us the solution mr iknoweverythingthereistoknowaboutfootballcauseisaidso

As he was drated in 2005 , he shouldnt  be there now.
I have had enough of players who dont DEMAND the ball and stand there with the hands on the hips,
You look at players  for example like Jake King and he wants to get involved in the game.
Can tell you , Angus should of been moved on at the end of 2007 except they decided to go with him again,BAD DECISION
It doesnt happen in good teams that players dont get a kick or a mark in a game, I am stounded in what I seen last night, although it doesnt surprise when Angus is involved

My solution is too play Browne next week, other then that, the club should of looked at trading in trade week to get a ruckman, as its seems that we might have some handy on ballers who we could of traded..

[Gigantor]

jack to be honest i just cringe when this club gives up picks for established players from other clubs..because their track record in picking good ones is awful to say the least
Our ruck stocks are made up of tyrone who will be good but juts needs time and development,browne who gives me the impression that a football is like a wet piece of soap and just cant grab  it,Angus who at this stage doesnt cut the mustard ,and troy who is definately at the end of his carreer.....Not much to hang our hat on is there?

[jackstar is back again]

jack to be honest i just cringe when this club gives up picks for established players from other clubs..because their track record in picking good ones is awful to say the least
Our ruck stocks are made up of tyrone who will be good but juts needs time and development,browne who gives me the impression that a football is like a wet piece of soap and just cant grab  it,Angus who at this stage doesnt cut the mustard ,and troy who is definately at the end of his carreer.....Not much to hang our hat on is there?

Issue is this, we never want to do business in trade ( dont know the reason either ) we should of tried to trade a ""foley"" instead we try and trade Tuck ( oh yeah, he would be in big demand ) 
We ought to get serious and make some big decisions.
Would of tried to trade Chris Newman , there you go
Last time we traded a captain we made the finals a year later ( Hogg -Broderick Gale)
I dont believe we should trade draft picks either  but to trade players during trade week.

[WA Tiger]

I think some people may need to go and watch the first and second qtr again. I payed particular attention to Grahams ruck work and he won just about every tap out. The opposition ruck man was no where near him, Graham won it by a mile, sure he didn't rack up 20 marks an 5 goals but he is a tap ruckman and we all know that.

[1965]

I think some people may need to go and watch the first and second qtr again. I payed particular attention to Grahams ruck work and he won just about every tap out. The opposition ruck man was no where near him, Graham won it by a mile, sure he didn't rack up 20 marks an 5 goals but he is a tap ruckman and we all know that.

'65 WAT

Winning every tap is useless unless they go to the advanatage of our mid-fielders.

 

[Gigantor]

Arent all hawthorns main ruckmen in re hab at the moment?

[WA Tiger]

I think some people may need to go and watch the first and second qtr again. I payed particular attention to Grahams ruck work and he won just about every tap out. The opposition ruck man was no where near him, Graham won it by a mile, sure he didn't rack up 20 marks an 5 goals but he is a tap ruckman and we all know that.

'65 WAT

Winning every tap is useless unless they go to the advanatage of our mid-fielders.

 

Dead right and that was a problem actually made me think what our set play was in the ruck because our midfielders could not get it. Graham was winning it but the Hawks midfied were coming out with it.. ???

[jackstar is back again]

Graham is useless
No use winning the tap outs and putting it down the throat of Mitchell 9 times out 10
He doesnt block, he doesnt demand the ball.
NO KICKS NO MARKS LAST NIGHT says it all

[bojangles17]

both ruckman were very dissapointing, not a mark between them against the likes of Simon Taylor...is it any wonder simmonds was retained. Was expecting alot more from TV...my only comfort is these guys take a while , look at Mitch clark.

Im quickly losing faith in Gus though, hopefully Browne gets a chance

[Judge Roughneck]

Browne > Graham

we need Simmonds in the side to add some grunt

[the claw]

Ah Angus Graham was drafted with many deficiencies and still those deficiencies are there.  hes a trier but there is no real scope for improvement.

 What is the solution? well this yr there isnt one.but there are scenarios that says it isnt to difficult to aquire a half decent ruckman and still young.
 Mumford is one such scenario  people. He left Geelong for two reasons. One Sydney could offer him a decent wage and 2 they could guarantee him a game.
 
I advocated we target Sam Jacobs in the off season i still maintain we should have got him.
he was rookie listed at carlton  and carlton either had to put him on the list proper or delist him.they did the former.

Like Mumford  he was  in competition with established ruckmen. In his case Kruezer, Hampson, and Warnock, it would have been easy to convince him he would not get to many games in front of these 3.
 It would have been easy for us to offer him 3 yrs at 250k per season with incentives and a guarantee of a spot in the 22 all yr.
The thing was he would have cost nothing or very little as far as picks went he was coming of the rookie list.

The other one i wanted when Richo retired was Bradshaw in the psd. Sheesh we kept Polak and he like Graham is just not up to it.

These two should have gone yrs ago, one look at their deficiencies said so.

So where is the reality of our ruck situation.

31 yr old Simmonds will have to show he is no longer injury prone and playing well to warrant more than 1 yr. Odds are he will be gone at yrs end.

Graham- simply put not up to standard and never will be. We really have to do better than angus.

Vickery - still at least 2 seasons away physically. should get some games as a back up to simmonds. but there should be no expectations at this stage.

Browne - Basically he is physically ready but does not have the know how and mental readiness or the skillset developed to play to many games at senior level. I would say at least this yr away more likely 2 seasons. Like Vickery he can be given some games as a back up to simmonds.

the reality is we are two ruckmen shy on the list and one of those two needs to be ready to go.

Finally the people bagging vickery, Its unbelievable all these expectations on a skinny raw 2nd yr ruckman wheres the reality. He's about where one would expect him to be. That is mainly developing in the twos and getting bigger.
If he plays senior games this season every single one should be looked upon as a bonus regardless of how well he goes.

[jackstar is back again]

Just watching Brisbane Western Bulldogs, Angus should watch Jamie Charman play

[Penelope]

Jamie charmen is 5 years older.

5 years ago his fith year in the system he had 50 kicks 33 marks 31 handball 3 goals 1 and 140 hittouts from 9 games.