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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Ramps on August 15, 2009, 05:23:07 PM
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If our club makes a wrong decision then the club will lose at least 10000 members possibly more. We have average draft picks, to many players who are rubbish, to many players who dont care. The only people who care are the supporters and the members. If the board take the easy option they can get stuffed. Richmond supporters deserve better than this crap. Hardwicks the man to start the revolution. We need a hard bastard to take the helm, no someone who wants to be mates with a group of players who have done nothing for our club.
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I agree. We don't need a limp idiot soft jelly fish to come in like Terry Wallet with a bucketload of weak promises that he can't deliver!
I think you'll know if this new coach is serious in the first month he's appointed, whoever he is. You will tell by who he gets rid of. Then you'll know if he's fairdinkum or not...
You'll see from game style. We hope to see shepherding introduced to the club! And fight! A culture that breeds team support, skill & spirit.
A coach who will not accept any limp idiot jelly fish to wear this once feared jumper!
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If our club makes a wrong decision then the club will lose at least 10000 members possibly more. We have average draft picks, to many players who are rubbish, to many players who dont care. The only people who care are the supporters and the members. If the board take the easy option they can get stuffed. Richmond supporters deserve better than this crap. Hardwicks the man to start the revolution. We need a hard bastard to take the helm, no someone who wants to be mates with a group of players who have done nothing for our club.
Pretty well agree. I have been a 30 year member and if Rawlings gets the job, I may be outta here!! Especially after watching that absolute cr@p today, and the same disgraceful rubbish that was dished up last week. My mate and I easily named 18 players we would offload today from the primary list and therefore feel that Craig Cameron has got some heavy culling to do. Am as flat as I have ever felt about this Club and with a supposed shallow draft coming up, what hope I have is dwindling rapidly by the week.
I guess the only slack I cut Rawlings is the fact that he has inherited the current list and that was built by Wallace and Greg Miller. BUT, his gameplan (or lack of) is evident for all to see when things do not go to plan. Do us a favour Jade, make sure we lost in the next 2 rounds so we can at least end up with a draft pick we deserve (likely number 3). In my opinion, the playing list has been improving under the recruiting guidance of Francis Jackson but he still has a $hitload of lot of work to do. What we must never do again is trade high draft picks, especially those in the first two rounds. I can say from personal knowledge that stuff has been devastated in the past at giving away high picks and two years ago, he was shattered to not get Scott Selwood with the pick we used on McMahon. Saw Selwood as a future captain!!
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I agree. We don't need a limp idiot soft jelly fish to come in like Terry Wallet with a bucketload of weak promises that he can't deliver!
I think you'll know if this new coach is serious in the first month he's appointed, whoever he is. You will tell by who he gets rid of. Then you'll know if he's fairdinkum or not...
You'll see from game style. We hope to see shepherding introduced to the club! And fight! A culture that breeds team support, skill & spirit.
A coach who will not accept any limp idiot jelly fish to wear this once feared jumper!
:clapping And tackling ability- how many soft limp tackling attempts did we see today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Rawlings out of touch, severely out of touch
playing the likes of Mclovin, Cogs ahead of yougsters what the hell is he thinking.
The club needs a lot bigger than Jade Rawlings
he coaches like he played football. soft and weak.
as for the those players, if thats what you can call them well again tell me if Edwards, King, Cogs, Brown are going to win you a flag. PLEASE SOMEONE TELL ME??
answer sadly is no so why play them. Why wasn't richo put on the long term injury list and another youngster trialled. RFC=NFI
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RFC has no idea.
Hey, what about the kick ins today ?? Mostly to contests.
Just goes to show you only need half a brain to be an AFL coach.
Jade has quarter of brain after today
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RFC has no idea.
Hey, what about the kick ins today ?? Mostly to contests.
Just goes to show you only need half a brain to be an AFL coach.
Jade has quarter of brain after today
you only have to watch Jade play as a footballer. soft andweak. 3 club player says a lot about what type of person he is. The players dont respect him as a coach and it shows.
for me as soon as i started reading comments from players to sign him up as the coach or how well they are performing under him signalled bad times ahead for Jade
he should leave now and take those 22 losers with him, actually 20
Lids and Nahas, after today's effort The rest are rubbish
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RFC has no idea.
Hey, what about the kick ins today ?? Mostly to contests.
Just goes to show you only need half a brain to be an AFL coach.
Jade has quarter of brain after today
you only have to watch Jade play as a footballer. soft andweak. 3 club player says a lot about what type of person he is. The players dont respect him as a coach and it shows.
for me as soon as i started reading comments from players to sign him up as the coach or how well they are performing under him signalled bad times ahead for Jade
he should leave now and take those 22 losers with him, actually 20
Lids and Nahas, after today's effort The rest are rubbish
Cousins ?
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Rawlings out of touch, severely out of touch
playing the likes of Mclovin, Cogs ahead of yougsters what the hell is he thinking.
The club needs a lot bigger than Jade Rawlings
he coaches like he played football. soft and weak.
as for the those players, if thats what you can call them well again tell me if Edwards, King, Cogs, Brown are going to win you a flag. PLEASE SOMEONE TELL ME??
answer sadly is no so why play them. Why wasn't richo put on the long term injury list and another youngster trialled. RFC=NFI
Daniel, I know where you are coming from but you are a bit hard on Edwards- at least he tries to make the play, at least he gives his all, he is actually a smart player in my opinion. His decision making and kicking can be poor at times but to me, he shows something at times. There are many others to go before him in my opinion
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Tamblings been ok this year.
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Rawlings out of touch, severely out of touch
playing the likes of Mclovin, Cogs ahead of yougsters what the hell is he thinking.
The club needs a lot bigger than Jade Rawlings
he coaches like he played football. soft and weak.
as for the those players, if thats what you can call them well again tell me if Edwards, King, Cogs, Brown are going to win you a flag. PLEASE SOMEONE TELL ME??
answer sadly is no so why play them. Why wasn't richo put on the long term injury list and another youngster trialled. RFC=NFI
Daniel, I know where you are coming from but you are a bit hard on Edwards- at least he tries to make the play, at least he gives his all, he is actually a smart player in my opinion. His decision making and kicking can be poor at times but to me, he shows something at times. There are many others to go before him in my opinion
of course Cuz was clearly our best again. sad that.
i dont agree re: Edwards. we cannot have players that just try, we just cant have it anymore.
He will not win us a flag but the scariest thing he is not our worst footballer. That title goes to
Mclovin. what a complete and utter waste of time that bloke is.
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Rawlings out of touch, severely out of touch
playing the likes of Mclovin, Cogs ahead of yougsters what the hell is he thinking.
The club needs a lot bigger than Jade Rawlings
he coaches like he played football. soft and weak.
as for the those players, if thats what you can call them well again tell me if Edwards, King, Cogs, Brown are going to win you a flag. PLEASE SOMEONE TELL ME??
answer sadly is no so why play them. Why wasn't richo put on the long term injury list and another youngster trialled. RFC=NFI
Which kids should have been played today? I don't see many left or available.
Edwards was one of our best today, he did a good job on Leon Davis until he went off the ground injured from a knee to the guts.
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Rawlings out of touch, severely out of touch
playing the likes of Mclovin, Cogs ahead of yougsters what the hell is he thinking.
The club needs a lot bigger than Jade Rawlings
he coaches like he played football. soft and weak.
as for the those players, if thats what you can call them well again tell me if Edwards, King, Cogs, Brown are going to win you a flag. PLEASE SOMEONE TELL ME??
answer sadly is no so why play them. Why wasn't richo put on the long term injury list and another youngster trialled. RFC=NFI
Which kids should have been played today? I don't see many left or available.
Edwards was one of our best today, he did a good job on Leon Davis until he went off the ground injured from a knee to the guts.
i would rather see Hughes play than a cripple in Brown. Laugh all you want as some of you may i want to see him play with Jack for more than 5 minutes
if he aint good enough fine trade him too but Jack needs help before he should be written off.
why cant we try Alroy or Gourdis. Can they do any worse than some of those halfwits today???
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Alroy has only just managed a promotion to Coburg seniors & Gourdis did his hamstring after kicking 5 goals in the first half a couple of weeks ago.
Both are also rookies so would need to be elevated.
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Alroy has only just managed a promotion to Coburg seniors & Gourdis did his hamstring after kicking 5 goals in the first half a couple of weeks ago.
Both are also rookies so would need to be elevated.
if memory serves me Vickery was also playing coburg ressies at some point this year and he is now in the seniors so why not elevate alroy at Richo's expense.
what have we seriously got to lose???
he should play the last round against the Eagles at the very least
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Vickery was playing Reserves at the start of the year, but had also been listed in the bests for Coburg Seniors a couple of times before his promotion. Alroy is coming from a long way back fitness wise and was a bit overwhelmed in his first senior match only 2 weeks ago, he struggled to adjust to the pace and made a blue which cost us the match. Maybe he can snag a spot in the game against West Coast in his home state, but not sure when the last chance is to elevate a rookie.
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If our club makes a wrong decision then the club will lose at least 10000 members possibly more. We have average draft picks, to many players who are rubbish, to many players who dont care.
so you're suggesting to me that the members are so discerning that if we elect to go with Hinkley over Hardwick or Richardosn over Hardwick they all drop off...Now you listen to me chum....30,000 of our members wouldnt know any of these candidates if they fell over them...we're not talking sheedy Vs Rawlings here...it's three bloody untried rookies...get a grip of the situation pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee :wallywink
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If our club makes a wrong decision then the club will lose at least 10000 members possibly more. We have average draft picks, to many players who are rubbish, to many players who dont care.
so you're suggesting to me that the members are so discerning that if we elect to go with Hinkley over Hardwick or Richardosn over Hardwick they all drop off...Now you listen to me chum....30,000 of our members wouldnt know any of these candidates if they fell over them...we're not talking sheedy Vs Rawlings here...it's three bloody untried rookies...get a grip of the situation pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee :wallywink
first im not your chum, this is not only a coaching appointment its also an appointment that needs to take in abit of marketing, rightly or wrongly Hardwick is seen as the next best candidate and he seems to be the overwhelming favorite amongst our supporters. That being the case, its probably best he gets the job because we will lose less members if he is appointed.
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Perception, it's all about perception.
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Cuz hype brought us 2 million bux profit this year. There or thereabouts on the back of 8 wins in the second half of the year in 2008.
This year we will finish with 5.5 wins.
Jade won't coach and I am still convinced that Hardwick is the man based o n the success he has been part of elsewhere. Nevertheless regardless of who coaches us next year there will be no knight in shining armour to boost the coffers (Cousins type recruitment) next year and the club will more than likely struggle.
2011 and 2012 are the key years given the time the coach will have had to adopt a playing style and stamp his mark on the list and club. The club can't keep failing on and off the field while others who have struggled for 100 or so years start churning out flags. Fans will grow tiresome and will drop off.
Furthermore fans who were old enough to remember the good old days 67-80 as well as teenagers and older people at that time may have indoctrinated the yellow and black to their offspring as well as zoning recruitment where people supported a side based on which club were the VFL recruiter in their area are long gone. If people don't see success then they do not want to be a part of it. We have excellent colors and an excellent nickname in the Tigers a strong virile powerful animal that helps also but that's it right now. When all these older fans die off what will we have? Loyalty lamentably is also a thing of the past too. People want to be associated with aggression success and fast paced excitement. What have we got at the moment?
We have to keep these fans on board before we lose them forever. Look at North do we want to become a loser nothing club like them where they love to talk themselves up as a Shinboner Spirit and forever epitomise themselves as the underdog to garnish support?
People don't want that or want to support that unless your some sort of masochist. Even when Carey was dominating you would think that now they would be able to benefit from it financially now with those kids being all grown up and buying memberships. No ,why? Shinboner Spirit underdog loser mentality. Is that what we want to end up as so that 20 years from now if we do win a premiership, flag, cup whatever it would be seen as a grat achievement for a club who has struggled for half a century as opposed to if Collingwood win a flag lets say this year it would be seen as dividends for all the hard work Eddie has done to make them the most professional and ruthless club in the land. We were once that some of us are old enough to remember this. It's time to get that reputation back otherwise we will be the next South Melbourne/ Fitzroy and we are all old enough to remember one of that.
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I guess the only slack I cut Rawlings is the fact that he has inherited the current list and that was built by Wallace and Greg Miller. BUT, his gameplan (or lack of) is evident for all to see when things do not go to plan. Do us a favour Jade, make sure we lost in the next 2 rounds so we can at least end up with a draft pick we deserve (likely number 3).
You would have to say that since we cut older players and blooded the kids that the aim was never to win games. ATM we are young kids coming up against hard experienced teams still in the thick of finals action.
Regardless of who the caretaker coach was they were on a hiding to nothing.
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If our club makes a wrong decision then the club will lose at least 10000 members possibly more. We have average draft picks, to many players who are rubbish, to many players who dont care.
so you're suggesting to me that the members are so discerning that if we elect to go with Hinkley over Hardwick or Richardosn over Hardwick they all drop off...Now you listen to me chum....30,000 of our members wouldnt know any of these candidates if they fell over them...we're not talking sheedy Vs Rawlings here...it's three bloody untried rookies...get a grip of the situation pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee :wallywink
first im not your chum, this is not only a coaching appointment its also an appointment that needs to take in abit of marketing, rightly or wrongly Hardwick is seen as the next best candidate and he seems to be the overwhelming favorite amongst our supporters. That being the case, its probably best he gets the job because we will lose less members if he is appointed.
quit the meolodrama, I still maintain...90%+ of supporters wouldnt know Hardwick from Hinkley from richardson if they fell over them...to suggest they feel that strongly over any ONE of these is fanciful. Don't think for a minute you are representative of the entire RFC members base...YOU are NOT :o
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If our club makes a wrong decision then the club will lose at least 10000 members possibly more. We have average draft picks, to many players who are rubbish, to many players who dont care.
so you're suggesting to me that the members are so discerning that if we elect to go with Hinkley over Hardwick or Richardosn over Hardwick they all drop off...Now you listen to me chum....30,000 of our members wouldnt know any of these candidates if they fell over them...we're not talking sheedy Vs Rawlings here...it's three bloody untried rookies...get a grip of the situation pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee :wallywink
first im not your chum, this is not only a coaching appointment its also an appointment that needs to take in abit of marketing, rightly or wrongly Hardwick is seen as the next best candidate and he seems to be the overwhelming favorite amongst our supporters. That being the case, its probably best he gets the job because we will lose less members if he is appointed.
quit the meolodrama, I still maintain...90%+ of supporters wouldnt know Hardwick from Hinkley from richardson if they fell over them...to suggest they feel that strongly over any ONE of these is fanciful. Don't think for a minute you are representative of the entire RFC members base...YOU are NOT :o
I never said I was representing anybody- never have and never will, I dont do melodramas, I suggest you go and see what our supporters are saying across a whole range of forums, listen to talkback radio, and then come back and tell us what they are thinking- because Ive done those things I can tell you that Damien Hardwick is clear cut the favorite choice of our supporters.
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How do we know that Hardwick is a "hard bastard"? Is it because he has the word "Hard" in his name? :)
Is it how he played the game? Is it because he looks tough? How do we know that is what he stands for?
Did Clarkson look like the sort of bloke that would institute a rolling cluster?
How de we know that Richardson isn't a hard bastard?
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How do we know that Hardwick is a "hard bastard"? Is it because he has the word "Hard" in his name? :)
Is it how he played the game? Is it because he looks tough? How do we know that is what he stands for?
Did Clarkson look like the sort of bloke that would institute a rolling cluster?
How de we know that Richardson isn't a hard bastard?
Hardwick was certainly a tough customer as a player. He was recruited by Port Adelaide specifically to toughen up Port Adelaide's team. As for the rolling cluster, I dont know who developed it. Richardson doesnt come across being really tough, I listened to him over the weekend, hes clearly a developmental type coach, and that is what he put forward on the radio interview. Hinkley may or may not be, hes been at Geelong a fair while now. Hopefully the process can draw these things out.
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What a load of melodramatic rubbish.
Mr.Bojangles, you can dance, and you're right on the money.
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What a load of melodramatic rubbish.
Mr.Bojangles, you can dance, and you're right on the money.
melodramatic rubbish = those who went onto forums and demanded that the club sign Jade Rawlings after his first weeks in the job.
Lets see what happens to our membership numbers this time next season. Until then Im entitled to my opinion and you guys are entitled to yours, I believe we will lose members. If Im wrong I will be man enough to come on here and apologise. Will you guys do the same?
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oh my ramps and I can just see the NM supporters in tears over appointing scott over Norm Smith, whoops I meant Hardwick, yeah the bloke thats never coached a side in his life....hmmm devasted Im sure ::)....NB...Roger Merret was a hard bastard perhaps you should galvanise some support to have him installed as coach :o
NM have seen the good sense in realising the enormity of this role demands more than being able to dish out a decent shirtfront....requires a real high callibre individual to manage/guide 50 people in one direction...sounds to me scott may be a good fit :shh
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What a load of melodramatic rubbish.
Mr.Bojangles, you can dance, and you're right on the money.
melodramatic rubbish = those who went onto forums and demanded that the club sign Jade Rawlings after his first weeks in the job.
Lets see what happens to our membership numbers this time next season. Until then Im entitled to my opinion and you guys are entitled to yours, I believe we will lose members. If Im wrong I will be man enough to come on here and apologise. Will you guys do the same?
It's a meaningless statement about the apology, because how are you going to measure how many members we would have had with Hardwick compared to how many we may end up having with an alternative choice?
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If we based our decision on what we thought the membership figures might do, then we would have appointed Sheedy moons ago. The tail shouldn't wag the dog, as it has for too many years at Richmond.
Just appoint the bloke that comes thru best out of our process. There are some seriously good people on that panel — whoever they come up with will be fine by me.
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Just appoint the bloke that comes thru best out of our process. There are some seriously good people on that panel — whoever they come up with will be fine by me.
Yep, if we eliminate Rawlings from the race then any of the other 3 will be fine by me - although I must confess to just the slightest nagging doubt on Hardwick now that he has been rejected by 3 clubs. But we can only go with what we know and for all I know there could have been 3 perfectly good reasons not related to ability so for now any of those 3 will do me.
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Sorry if I am repeating someone here but Scott was just named North coach which now gives us the time and space to pick out of our top three candidates.
My gues is that Hardwick told them to wait until after the Tigers position was announced and fearing losing face again they jumped at Scott who wasn't on the Tigers radar.
Stripes
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Just appoint the bloke that comes thru best out of our process. There are some seriously good people on that panel — whoever they come up with will be fine by me.
Yep, if we eliminate Rawlings from the race then any of the other 3 will be fine by me - although I must confess to just the slightest nagging doubt on Hardwick now that he has been rejected by 3 clubs. But we can only go with what we know and for all I know there could have been 3 perfectly good reasons not related to ability so for now any of those 3 will do me.
Yes I am comfortable with that. Whoever gets the job needs everyones support whether it be Hardwick, Hinkley or Richardson. My initial statement is based on Rawlings getting the job. I dont think our supporters would agree with his appointment if it happens.
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Just appoint the bloke that comes thru best out of our process. There are some seriously good people on that panel — whoever they come up with will be fine by me.
Yep, if we eliminate Rawlings from the race then any of the other 3 will be fine by me - although I must confess to just the slightest nagging doubt on Hardwick now that he has been rejected by 3 clubs. But we can only go with what we know and for all I know there could have been 3 perfectly good reasons not related to ability so for now any of those 3 will do me.
I wouldn't say Hardwick has been rejected by North, more likely that they rejected him for not taking the job on the spot
We'd already told Scott no thanks, so his only chance was the North job
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I wouldn't say Hardwick has been rejected by North, more likely that they rejected him for not taking the job on the spot
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Rejected is rejected?
Just kidding Infamy, I know what you mean! ;D
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I'l'l suggest a sure fire way of getting members next year whoever we get as coach- win some f@#king games!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I wouldn't say Hardwick has been rejected by North, more likely that they rejected him for not taking the job on the spot
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Rejected is rejected?
Just kidding Infamy, I know what you mean! ;D
Whoops, I meant to say ruled out
Was typing in a hurry
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I'l'l suggest a sure fire way of getting members next year whoever we get as coach- win some f@#king games!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wouldn't that be a novel approach.
However as you have been saying for a while our list is not up to it. Hence our supporters will need to be patient for at least one more year.
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Just appoint the bloke that comes thru best out of our process. There are some seriously good people on that panel — whoever they come up with will be fine by me.
Yep, if we eliminate Rawlings from the race then any of the other 3 will be fine by me - although I must confess to just the slightest nagging doubt on Hardwick now that he has been rejected by 3 clubs. But we can only go with what we know and for all I know there could have been 3 perfectly good reasons not related to ability so for now any of those 3 will do me.
But what if the process deems Rawlings the right person.
As I said on another thread none of us know the vision that any of the 4 candidates are bringing to the table.
For all we know the other 3 (Hinkley/Harwick/Richardson) may want to trade away Cotchin & Deledio for Melb's first round pick - would you still want any of those 3 then?
I know it's a hypothetical the point I am making is we (members/supporters) don't know what these people offer us so we have to accept that the process will deliver the right person for this club.
End of the day this isn't some popularity contest it about getting the best person for this Club or to put it another the best fit for this club out of the 4 remaining whoever it maybe
I heard a very wise man (well someone I respect) make the comment on Saturday that Jade shouldn't be judged on the last couple of weeks he must be judged on the same criteria being used on the others eg how presents, his vision for the club etc. He agreed the last 3 weeks have hurt his chances but if you are going to judge him on his performance as caretaker then you judge over the entire period not just the past 3 weeks.
Yes I am comfortable with that. Whoever gets the job needs everyones support whether it be Hardwick, Hinkley or Richardson. My initial statement is based on Rawlings getting the job. I dont think our supporters would agree with his appointment if it happens.
I am not sure about that Ramps - the people I sit with at the footy (who I've sat with for over 15 years now) when we've discussed the coaching situation for 2010 have no problem with Rawlings getting the job.
You have to remember we have 45k+ members, people who call talk back radio and post on forums make a very small % of voices
Which makes me ask did anyone hear the caller on 3AW who rang up and suggested Rawlings should be given 2 years to put his plan in place because he has started something and he has been left with a mess how can it seriously assessed after 10 weeks (an NO it wasn't me :rollin).
And BTW if it is to be someone else my preference is Richardson - fantastic with youung players and that's the fit I am talking about
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But what if the process deems Rawlings the right person.
As I said on another thread none of us know the vision that any of the 4 candidates are bringing to the table.
If the process says Rawlings is the best then he gets my support. I am just offering my opinion based on what I am seeing, and what I am seeing is someone not making any impact. Being caretaker coach was always going to be a double-edged sword for Rawlings and I haven't seen enough positives that say "I'm ready". I think he will be a good coach somewhere one day but after the past month or so I don't believe the time is right at Richmond at present.
For all we know the other 3 (Hinkley/Harwick/Richardson) may want to trade away Cotchin & Deledio for Melb's first round pick - would you still want any of those 3 then?
I would be more worried about the club choosing a coach that thought this way.
I heard a very wise man (well someone I respect) make the comment on Saturday that Jade shouldn't be judged on the last couple of weeks he must be judged on the same criteria being used on the others eg how presents, his vision for the club etc. He agreed the last 3 weeks have hurt his chances but if you are going to judge him on his performance as caretaker then you judge over the entire period not just the past 3 weeks.
That still doesn't help Rawlings case. There was always going to be some sort of emotional effect (and most likely a positive effect) and Rawlings challenge was always going to be in 'keeping the flame burning'. The fact he hasn't been able to do that doesn't mean he is/will be a bad coach but it does mean he has not been able to make an impression on this playing group in that time. Yes, some players have spoken in support and he certainly had a positive impact during his time at Coburg but he had a walk-up start with the senior side in some respects and appears to have not been able to build on that yet. If he believes in himself then I'm sure his time will come with some further exposure to all the vagaries of coaching and managing large groups of young footballers.
And BTW if it is to be someone else my preference is Richardson - fantastic with young players and that's the fit I am talking about
Funny thing - I have been a Richardson man all along, especially after Buckley went, but in the past 48 hours I have looked much more closely at Hinkley and would be just as happy with him - with Hardwick just a bit behind both.
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Lets be honest this process is abit underwhelming. Richmond needed a huge name with runs on the board and that isnt going to happen.
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Lets be honest this process is abit underwhelming. Richmond needed a huge name with runs on the board and that isnt going to happen.
What Richmond needs is the best coach available... end of story
Not sure why he needs a huge name, he can build his own reputation at Richmond
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Lets be honest this process is abit underwhelming. Richmond needed a huge name with runs on the board and that isnt going to happen.
That's what we wanted, and got, with Robert Walls.
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Lets be honest this process is abit underwhelming. Richmond needed a huge name with runs on the board and that isnt going to happen.
That's what we wanted, and got, with Robert Walls.
And Terry Wallace :rollin
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In all seriousness are you guys happy with the final 4 candidates? Im underwhelmed by the names to be honest and I have serious doubts that any of the 4 can lift Richmond out of the massive hole in which we find ourselves.
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In all seriousness are you guys happy with the final 4 candidates? Im underwhelmed by the names to be honest and I have serious doubts that any of the 4 can lift Richmond out of the massive hole in which we find ourselves.
As you know Ramps I have my preference out of the final 4 and I've always had an open mind about Richardson
But as for the other 2.... well the bridesmaid I've had question marks on him all along and Hinkley doesn't grab my attention either. Having just read Mark Thompson's comments about him being a practical joker etc the alarm bells are ringing over him too now ;D :-\
It's funny I see North as a joke of a club but I will admit to having just a ounce of respect for them taking the punt on Brad Scott... it's a bold appointment, a bit daring if you like and that's what I actually want Richmond to do, make a tough call, a bold call.
2 out of the 4 for me at least just look like the predictable or even "soft/obvious" choices and my gut tells me that isn't what this Club needs
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In all seriousness are you guys happy with the final 4 candidates? Im underwhelmed by the names to be honest and I have serious doubts that any of the 4 can lift Richmond out of the massive hole in which we find ourselves.
In my humble opinion Hardwick is the best of the four from a footballing perspective, but as I have previously stated in other threads the problems at Richmond are not merely confined to the coaches box and playing field. As we are patently aware they run much deeper and are so deep rooted to the fabric of the club on and off the field that it won't take a new coach and a few close allies to change this.
What the RFC needs to do is fin that perfect fit for the club that will unite everybody whether it is a coach, a new Pres, a CEO whoever. This powerbroker will have all the power in his hand and all and sundry will adhere. Any other appointment will merely be a token appointment. Lamentably I feel these candidates true worth will be lost to us in the current environment at Punt Rd. I hope time will prove me wrong but given the last 27 years I'm not counting on it .
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In all seriousness are you guys happy with the final 4 candidates? Im underwhelmed by the names to be honest and I have serious doubts that any of the 4 can lift Richmond out of the massive hole in which we find ourselves.
Ramps I got seduced by the Nathan Buckley idea for a while, I even let my mind flirt with the idea of Leigh Matthews and even Grant Thomas, even knowing that 2 out of those 3 hate our guts! So from that perspective, after thinking grand like that, the final 4 in terms of 'names' does seem a little underwhelming. But as someone mentioned earlier, it's time someone made a name for themselves now at RFC (This applies to the playing list even more but that's another thread). Wallace wanted to revive the roar of the outer at the 'G but didn't want to do the hard yards. We NEED a no name who doesn't need to finish 9th to uphold their own reputation. Top ups aren't going to be used to save face. A 'no name' is the way to go for mine, and is the only reason I've narrowed it down personally to Hinkley or Richardson.
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In all seriousness are you guys happy with the final 4 candidates? Im underwhelmed by the names to be honest and I have serious doubts that any of the 4 can lift Richmond out of the massive hole in which we find ourselves.
I dont know if you have noticed this but, in recent history, great expectations haven't gotten us anywhere. I think if we could tie up Hardwick and Laidley in some capacitiy then we would have made the best of the people available to us.
Confidence in a football club makes ordinary players look good (ie Cam Mooney) so anything could happen in the next three years. and if there is no light at the end of the tunnel next year then we can always become one-eyed Gold Coast (gosh.. kidding)
Oh and for the music stuff im currently listening to The Tank by a rather cool band called the Dear Hunter. quiet heavy rock with a vaudiville & orchestral twist. v-cool
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stuff the big name just need someone with balls to stand up in front of these so called people behind the scenes at Punt Road.
Who the stuff are these power brokers that push their own agenda. Is it FACT or MYTH????
The RFC has cancer, pardon the pun but it has and it needs to get rid of it. I look at players like Dean Polo, Alex Rance, Lids and Raines.
Rance kicking has got worse, ditto Raines who smashed it in his first year. Polo remember his first game?? Lids first year was his best.
I mean these players dont go backwards for a reason. What do we do to these players?? Seriously??
the club has cancer and the problem is right in development.
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In all seriousness are you guys happy with the final 4 candidates? Im underwhelmed by the names to be honest and I have serious doubts that any of the 4 can lift Richmond out of the massive hole in which we find ourselves.
As you know Ramps I have my preference out of the final 4 and I've always had an open mind about Richardson
But as for the other 2.... well the bridesmaid I've had question marks on him all along and Hinkley doesn't grab my attention either. Having just read Mark Thompson's comments about him being a practical joker etc the alarm bells are ringing over him too now ;D :-\
gee, am glad you're not involved on the panel WP..First criteria, nil sense of humour ::)....crazy...I get the drift that you are a supporter of Rawlo...I liked him early on however it's become clear that his inexperience will hinder our progress...in reality what he has got to draw on in approaching 2010 pre season...the world according to Rawlo and thats it...Id be happy with any of richo/hinkley/hardwick in that order...they have had the recent involvement with successful outfits to bring a piece of it top Punt rd...rawlo has zilch and that will be a millstone he needs to wear until he can gain expereince elsewhere :gotigers
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In all seriousness are you guys happy with the final 4 candidates? Im underwhelmed by the names to be honest and I have serious doubts that any of the 4 can lift Richmond out of the massive hole in which we find ourselves.
Without a doubt, my preferred candidates before the process even started were Hardwick & Hinkley, Richardson wasn't far behind those two, maybe around 4th preference. Malthouse was the only present day senior coach I was interested in, but never believed he'd leave Collingwood. In fact I kinda hoped Mick had more pride than he did to put up with the Buckley succession plan and would walk, but I knew deep down he'd bend over and take it.
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10,000? When?
This year, next or the year after?
Whoever is the coach won't be able to turn this pooheap around quickly so taper your expectations.
We are going to need to be patient so strap yourself in for a couple more hard years, pay your membership and hope to hell that the next guy has a genuine long term plan for success. :pray
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10,000? When?
This year, next or the year after?
Whoever is the coach won't be able to turn this pooheap around quickly so taper your expectations.
We are going to need to be patient so strap yourself in for a couple more hard years, pay your membership and hope to hell that the next guy has a genuine long term plan for success. :pray
I agree Mr.M.! Whoever doesnt sign up purely due to the fact that they don't agree with the coaching appointment shouldn't have supporters anyway! Sounds to me as though some people may be looking for an excuse to drop off already!
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gee, am glad you're not involved on the panel WP..First criteria, nil sense of humour ::)....crazy...I get the drift that you are a supporter of Rawlo...I liked him early on however it's become clear that his inexperience will hinder our progress...in reality what he has got to draw on in approaching 2010 pre season...the world according to Rawlo and thats it...Id be happy with any of richo/hinkley/hardwick in that order...they have had the recent involvement with successful outfits to bring a piece of it top Punt rd...rawlo has zilch and that will be a millstone he needs to wear until he can gain expereince elsewhere :gotigers
Actually BJ17 - I have a great sense of humour ;) but everyone keeps telling me that we need a tough nut so hearing that one of the "favourites" is a practical joker worries me a little ..... there are enough jokes down at Punt Road I would have thought ..... I appreciate there needs to be some fun ... perhaps it is just the way bomber Thompson siad it who knows...
I will repeat again I want the absolute best person for the club whoever this bloody process deems it to be I'll support them
If the process says Rawlings is the best then he gets my support. I am just offering my opinion based on what I am seeing, and what I am seeing is someone not making any impact. Being caretaker coach was always going to be a double-edged sword for Rawlings and I haven't seen enough positives that say "I'm ready". I think he will be a good coach somewhere one day but after the past month or so I don't believe the time is right at Richmond at present.
Thanks smokey for a really great response... I found the above comment interesting. Am I right in my understanding of what you written that you have seen some impact (say up until the Essendon game) but none since (ie the last 3 weeks) or have I miss interepeted that and you believe there's been no impact at all?
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Thanks smokey for a really great response... I found the above comment interesting. Am I right in my understanding of what you written that you have seen some impact (say up until the Essendon game) but none since (ie the last 3 weeks) or have I miss interepeted that and you believe there's been no impact at all?
I haven't seen an impact that can be identified as anything more than an (expected) emotive response in his first few games. These last few weeks we seem to have gone right back to the lack of intensity, lack of purpose, lack of teamwork that characterized the final months of Wallace's reign so I believe all we saw for a few weeks under Rawlings was emotion and little or no substance. I think if Rawlings was to be 'our man' in this current situation then we had a right to expect some change - not necessarily win any more games but certainly play with more purpose and do (or at least try) the team-oriented things. As I said, this is only my opinion based on observations of our playing style - I have no connection to any inner sanctums and there may be underlying reasons that the board are aware of to explain all this. And if Rawlings is the best our process can come up with then he gets my unqualified support. But I think he is now well and truly behind the eight ball.
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Thanks smokey for a really great response... I found the above comment interesting. Am I right in my understanding of what you written that you have seen some impact (say up until the Essendon game) but none since (ie the last 3 weeks) or have I miss interepeted that and you believe there's been no impact at all?
I haven't seen an impact that can be identified as anything more than an (expected) emotive response in his first few games. These last few weeks we seem to have gone right back to the lack of intensity, lack of purpose, lack of teamwork that characterized the final months of Wallace's reign so I believe all we saw for a few weeks under Rawlings was emotion and little or no substance. I think if Rawlings was to be 'our man' in this current situation then we had a right to expect some change - not necessarily win any more games but certainly play with more purpose and do (or at least try) the team-oriented things. As I said, this is only my opinion based on observations of our playing style - I have no connection to any inner sanctums and there may be underlying reasons that the board are aware of to explain all this. And if Rawlings is the best our process can come up with then he gets my unqualified support. But I think he is now well and truly behind the eight ball.
good call.
our players still dont block, tackle and shepherd for one another.
under Rawlings i am yet to see our tackle count improve substantially even in the games we won.
Jade's stats are very similar to that of Terry when he was coach.
The games we won is as a result of players playing for their future not because of Jade
IMO these are the stats which show players are playing for their coach & each other not a few cheap wins against the Demons and Eagles
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Thanks smokey for a really great response... I found the above comment interesting. Am I right in my understanding of what you written that you have seen some impact (say up until the Essendon game) but none since (ie the last 3 weeks) or have I miss interepeted that and you believe there's been no impact at all?
I haven't seen an impact that can be identified as anything more than an (expected) emotive response in his first few games. These last few weeks we seem to have gone right back to the lack of intensity, lack of purpose, lack of teamwork that characterized the final months of Wallace's reign so I believe all we saw for a few weeks under Rawlings was emotion and little or no substance. I think if Rawlings was to be 'our man' in this current situation then we had a right to expect some change - not necessarily win any more games but certainly play with more purpose and do (or at least try) the team-oriented things. As I said, this is only my opinion based on observations of our playing style - I have no connection to any inner sanctums and there may be underlying reasons that the board are aware of to explain all this. And if Rawlings is the best our process can come up with then he gets my unqualified support. But I think he is now well and truly behind the eight ball.
good call.
our players still dont block, tackle and shepherd for one another.
under Rawlings i am yet to see our tackle count improve substantially even in the games we won.
Jade's stats are very similar to that of Terry when he was coach.
The games we won is as a result of players playing for their future not because of Jade
IMO these are the stats which show players are playing for their coach & each other not a few cheap wins against the Demons and Eagles
the games we won was due to other teams breaking down & having alot of injured players, we won or drew nothing, other clubs lost games & still nearly took them away from us
we are worse than St-Kilda back in the 70's & 80's
Developement they have no idea. Its never been there & still aint there, They dont train half as hard as other clubs & dont think for themselves nor do they push themselves.
Richmond problems is that the players think just because they have made it to the AFL that they dont have to think & put the hard work in anymore.
They are satified that they have made it to the elite level & dropped off the workrate. They are mentaly weak & until they are pushed hard & mentaly challenged, they wont improve
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Thanks smokey for a really great response... I found the above comment interesting. Am I right in my understanding of what you written that you have seen some impact (say up until the Essendon game) but none since (ie the last 3 weeks) or have I miss interepeted that and you believe there's been no impact at all?
I haven't seen an impact that can be identified as anything more than an (expected) emotive response in his first few games. These last few weeks we seem to have gone right back to the lack of intensity, lack of purpose, lack of teamwork that characterized the final months of Wallace's reign so I believe all we saw for a few weeks under Rawlings was emotion and little or no substance. I think if Rawlings was to be 'our man' in this current situation then we had a right to expect some change - not necessarily win any more games but certainly play with more purpose and do (or at least try) the team-oriented things. As I said, this is only my opinion based on observations of our playing style - I have no connection to any inner sanctums and there may be underlying reasons that the board are aware of to explain all this. And if Rawlings is the best our process can come up with then he gets my unqualified support. But I think he is now well and truly behind the eight ball.
I think that's right. Whatever effect Rawlings' changes have had upon the side have now been completely overwhelmed by the same elusive rfc lurgy that caused (e.g.,) our round 1 capitulation.
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stuff the big name just need someone with balls to stand up in front of these so called people behind the scenes at Punt Road.
Who the eff are these power brokers that push their own agenda. Is it FACT or MYTH????
The RFC has cancer, pardon the pun but it has and it needs to get rid of it. I look at players like Dean Polo, Alex Rance, Lids and Raines.
Rance kicking has got worse, ditto Raines who smashed it in his first year. Polo remember his first game?? Lids first year was his best.
I mean these players dont go backwards for a reason. What do we do to these players?? Seriously??
the club has cancer and the problem is right in development.
Agree 100 %.
20 + years of failure is not due just the senior coach and players only. No matter what coach we get they can not fix the problem alone, i hope they bring alot of help with them.
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Thanks smokey for a really great response... I found the above comment interesting. Am I right in my understanding of what you written that you have seen some impact (say up until the Essendon game) but none since (ie the last 3 weeks) or have I miss interepeted that and you believe there's been no impact at all?
I haven't seen an impact that can be identified as anything more than an (expected) emotive response in his first few games. These last few weeks we seem to have gone right back to the lack of intensity, lack of purpose, lack of teamwork that characterized the final months of Wallace's reign so I believe all we saw for a few weeks under Rawlings was emotion and little or no substance. I think if Rawlings was to be 'our man' in this current situation then we had a right to expect some change - not necessarily win any more games but certainly play with more purpose and do (or at least try) the team-oriented things. As I said, this is only my opinion based on observations of our playing style - I have no connection to any inner sanctums and there may be underlying reasons that the board are aware of to explain all this. And if Rawlings is the best our process can come up with then he gets my unqualified support. But I think he is now well and truly behind the eight ball.
good call.
our players still dont block, tackle and shepherd for one another.
under Rawlings i am yet to see our tackle count improve substantially even in the games we won.
Jade's stats are very similar to that of Terry when he was coach.
The games we won is as a result of players playing for their future not because of Jade
IMO these are the stats which show players are playing for their coach & each other not a few cheap wins against the Demons and Eagles
the games we won was due to other teams breaking down & having alot of injured players, we won or drew nothing, other clubs lost games & still nearly took them away from us
we are worse than St-Kilda back in the 70's & 80's
Developement they have no idea. Its never been there & still aint there, They dont train half as hard as other clubs & dont think for themselves nor do they push themselves.
Richmond problems is that the players think just because they have made it to the AFL that they dont have to think & put the hard work in anymore.
They are satified that they have made it to the elite level & dropped off the workrate. They are mentaly weak & until they are pushed hard & mentaly challenged, they wont improve
Exactly. Getting the right coach isn't just about being good on gameday or on the training track, or picking the right junior players when you come to Richmond, it's about getting players motivated and changing their mindset that now they have made the AFL they have no more levels to rise, and they plateau.
The coach we choose must show the capability and have an opinion on how he will turn it around and who they can bring with them to introduce a new culture to this football club. It was a positive in my opinion that Jade put it out in the open and hopefully having it straight from the horses mouth, thrown at the club as a whole, they have to asses it properly and get the right personnel to have the strength and effort to flush the crap culture out of the club.
For too long we have talked about what are deficiencies are on the field only but the real deficiency is in their own minds. We need to throw in the players faces and we need not only a strong coach, but have him capable of bringing strong assistants that can change these players attitudes for the better. Because we show in bursts the kind of football we can play, then a team will kick a couple of goals and it's all too hard to fight back. We must find the best candidate to change that and I'm not going to say who because I don't have the knowledge to know Hinkley, Hardwick or Richardson that well but I have no choice but to trust that the RFC are finally getting their poo together and realise what makes us a constant failure as a club. I can only hope. :pray :pray