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Re: WRONG COACHING APPOINTMENT WILL SEE 10000 MEMBERSHIP DECLINE
« Reply #30 on: August 17, 2009, 03:56:00 PM »

Just appoint the bloke that comes thru best out of our process. There are some seriously good people on that panel — whoever they come up with will be fine by me.

Yep, if we eliminate Rawlings from the race then any of the other 3 will be fine by me - although I must confess to just the slightest nagging doubt on Hardwick now that he has been rejected by 3 clubs.  But we can only go with what we know and for all I know there could have been 3 perfectly good reasons not related to ability so for now any of those 3 will do me.

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« Reply #31 on: August 17, 2009, 04:04:35 PM »
Sorry if I am repeating someone here but Scott was just named North coach which now gives us the time and space to pick out of our top three candidates.

My gues is that Hardwick told them to wait until after the Tigers position was announced and fearing losing face again they jumped at Scott who wasn't on the Tigers radar.

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« Reply #32 on: August 17, 2009, 04:17:32 PM »

Just appoint the bloke that comes thru best out of our process. There are some seriously good people on that panel — whoever they come up with will be fine by me.

Yep, if we eliminate Rawlings from the race then any of the other 3 will be fine by me - although I must confess to just the slightest nagging doubt on Hardwick now that he has been rejected by 3 clubs.  But we can only go with what we know and for all I know there could have been 3 perfectly good reasons not related to ability so for now any of those 3 will do me.

Yes I am comfortable with that. Whoever gets the job needs everyones support whether it be Hardwick, Hinkley or Richardson. My initial statement is based on Rawlings getting the job. I dont think our supporters would agree with his appointment if it happens.

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Re: WRONG COACHING APPOINTMENT WILL SEE 10000 MEMBERSHIP DECLINE
« Reply #33 on: August 17, 2009, 05:17:40 PM »

Just appoint the bloke that comes thru best out of our process. There are some seriously good people on that panel — whoever they come up with will be fine by me.

Yep, if we eliminate Rawlings from the race then any of the other 3 will be fine by me - although I must confess to just the slightest nagging doubt on Hardwick now that he has been rejected by 3 clubs.  But we can only go with what we know and for all I know there could have been 3 perfectly good reasons not related to ability so for now any of those 3 will do me.
I wouldn't say Hardwick has been rejected by North, more likely that they rejected him for not taking the job on the spot
We'd already told Scott no thanks, so his only chance was the North job

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Re: WRONG COACHING APPOINTMENT WILL SEE 10000 MEMBERSHIP DECLINE
« Reply #34 on: August 17, 2009, 06:07:09 PM »

I wouldn't say Hardwick has been rejected by North, more likely that they rejected him for not taking the job on the spot

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Rejected is rejected?

Just kidding Infamy, I know what you mean!   ;D

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Re: WRONG COACHING APPOINTMENT WILL SEE 10000 MEMBERSHIP DECLINE
« Reply #35 on: August 17, 2009, 06:24:39 PM »
I'l'l suggest a sure fire way of getting members next year whoever we get as coach- win some f@#king games!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #36 on: August 17, 2009, 06:49:22 PM »

I wouldn't say Hardwick has been rejected by North, more likely that they rejected him for not taking the job on the spot

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Rejected is rejected?

Just kidding Infamy, I know what you mean!   ;D
Whoops, I meant to say ruled out
Was typing in a hurry

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Re: WRONG COACHING APPOINTMENT WILL SEE 10000 MEMBERSHIP DECLINE
« Reply #37 on: August 18, 2009, 01:54:46 PM »
I'l'l suggest a sure fire way of getting members next year whoever we get as coach- win some f@#king games!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wouldn't that be a novel approach.

However as you have been saying for a while our list is not up to it.  Hence our supporters will need to be patient for at least one more year.

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Re: WRONG COACHING APPOINTMENT WILL SEE 10000 MEMBERSHIP DECLINE
« Reply #38 on: August 18, 2009, 06:17:26 PM »

Just appoint the bloke that comes thru best out of our process. There are some seriously good people on that panel — whoever they come up with will be fine by me.

Yep, if we eliminate Rawlings from the race then any of the other 3 will be fine by me - although I must confess to just the slightest nagging doubt on Hardwick now that he has been rejected by 3 clubs.  But we can only go with what we know and for all I know there could have been 3 perfectly good reasons not related to ability so for now any of those 3 will do me.

But what if the process deems Rawlings the right person.

As I said on another thread none of us know the vision that any of the 4 candidates are bringing to the table.

For all we know the other 3 (Hinkley/Harwick/Richardson) may want to trade away Cotchin & Deledio for Melb's first round pick - would you still want any of those 3 then?

I know it's a hypothetical the point I am making is we (members/supporters) don't know what these people offer us so we have to accept that the process will deliver the right person for this club.

End of the day this isn't some popularity contest it about getting the best person for this Club or to put it another the best fit for this club out of the 4 remaining whoever it maybe

I heard a very wise man (well someone I respect) make the comment on Saturday that Jade shouldn't be judged on the last couple of weeks he must be judged on the same criteria being used on the others eg how presents, his vision for the club etc. He agreed the last 3 weeks have hurt his chances but if you are going to judge him on his performance as caretaker then you judge over the entire period not just the past 3 weeks.

Yes I am comfortable with that. Whoever gets the job needs everyones support whether it be Hardwick, Hinkley or Richardson. My initial statement is based on Rawlings getting the job. I dont think our supporters would agree with his appointment if it happens.

I am not sure about that Ramps - the people I sit with at the footy (who I've sat with for over 15 years now) when we've discussed the coaching situation for 2010 have no problem with Rawlings getting the job.

You have to remember we have 45k+ members, people who call talk back radio and post on forums make a very small % of voices

Which makes me ask did anyone hear the caller on 3AW who rang up and suggested Rawlings should be given 2 years to put his plan in place because he has started something and he has been left with a mess how can it seriously assessed after 10 weeks (an NO it wasn't me :rollin).

And BTW if it is to be someone else my preference is Richardson - fantastic with youung players and that's the fit I am talking about
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Re: WRONG COACHING APPOINTMENT WILL SEE 10000 MEMBERSHIP DECLINE
« Reply #39 on: August 18, 2009, 07:20:44 PM »
But what if the process deems Rawlings the right person.

As I said on another thread none of us know the vision that any of the 4 candidates are bringing to the table.


If the process says Rawlings is the best then he gets my support.  I am just offering my opinion based on what I am seeing, and what I am seeing is someone not making any impact.  Being caretaker coach was always going to be a double-edged sword for Rawlings and I haven't seen enough positives that say "I'm ready".  I think he will be a good coach somewhere one day but after the past month or so I don't believe the time is right at Richmond at present.

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For all we know the other 3 (Hinkley/Harwick/Richardson) may want to trade away Cotchin & Deledio for Melb's first round pick - would you still want any of those 3 then?


I would be more worried about the club choosing a coach that thought this way.

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I heard a very wise man (well someone I respect) make the comment on Saturday that Jade shouldn't be judged on the last couple of weeks he must be judged on the same criteria being used on the others eg how presents, his vision for the club etc. He agreed the last 3 weeks have hurt his chances but if you are going to judge him on his performance as caretaker then you judge over the entire period not just the past 3 weeks.


That still doesn't help Rawlings case.  There was always going to be some sort of emotional effect (and most likely a positive effect) and Rawlings challenge was always going to be in 'keeping the flame burning'.  The fact he hasn't been able to do that doesn't mean he is/will be a bad coach but it does mean he has not been able to make an impression on this playing group in that time.  Yes, some players have spoken in support and he certainly had a positive impact during his time at Coburg but he had a walk-up start with the senior side in some respects and appears to have not been able to build on that yet.  If he believes in himself then I'm sure his time will come with some further exposure to all the vagaries of coaching and managing large groups of young footballers.

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And BTW if it is to be someone else my preference is Richardson - fantastic with young players and that's the fit I am talking about
 

Funny thing - I have been a Richardson man all along, especially after Buckley went, but in the past 48 hours I have looked much more closely at Hinkley and would be just as happy with him - with Hardwick just a bit behind both.

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Re: WRONG COACHING APPOINTMENT WILL SEE 10000 MEMBERSHIP DECLINE
« Reply #40 on: August 18, 2009, 07:38:08 PM »
Lets be honest this process is abit underwhelming. Richmond needed a huge name with runs on the board and that isnt going to happen.

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« Reply #41 on: August 18, 2009, 07:39:44 PM »
Lets be honest this process is abit underwhelming. Richmond needed a huge name with runs on the board and that isnt going to happen.
What Richmond needs is the best coach available... end of story
Not sure why he needs a huge name, he can build his own reputation at Richmond

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Re: WRONG COACHING APPOINTMENT WILL SEE 10000 MEMBERSHIP DECLINE
« Reply #42 on: August 18, 2009, 07:50:45 PM »
Lets be honest this process is abit underwhelming. Richmond needed a huge name with runs on the board and that isnt going to happen.

That's what we wanted, and got, with Robert Walls.
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« Reply #43 on: August 18, 2009, 07:52:49 PM »
Lets be honest this process is abit underwhelming. Richmond needed a huge name with runs on the board and that isnt going to happen.

That's what we wanted, and got, with Robert Walls.

And Terry Wallace    :rollin
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« Reply #44 on: August 18, 2009, 07:56:00 PM »
In all seriousness are you guys happy with the final 4 candidates? Im underwhelmed by the names to be honest and I have serious doubts that any of the 4 can lift Richmond out of the massive hole in which we find ourselves.