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Re: Terry Wallace list manager: Richmond
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2012, 10:11:59 AM »
Half you guys wanted Jade Rawlings in the job.  :lol

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Re: Terry Wallace list manager: Richmond
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2012, 10:18:01 AM »
Wallace was a tactician, marketer and list analyser - great for an experienced side with a strong, established development culture but terrible for a young team desperate for an education and hands-on support. Terry ran players into the ground through mismanagement, he shredded their confidence with his abstinence and he confused them into feeling inadequate through his over complicated gameplan.

Really he was the right coach for the wrong time. Hardwick is exactly what out club needs now. Whether he has the tactical nous as the side starts to push for the flag is uncertain...

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Re: Terry Wallace list manager: Richmond
« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2012, 11:23:01 AM »
Half you guys wanted Jade Rawlings in the job.  :lol
Not me!!! Always thought he lacked intestinal fortitude and would have ended up being Frawley Mk II

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Re: Terry Wallace list manager: Richmond
« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2012, 01:41:34 PM »
Wallace was a tactician, marketer and list analyser - great for an experienced side with a strong, established development culture but terrible for a young team desperate for an education and hands-on support. Terry ran players into the ground through mismanagement, he shredded their confidence with his abstinence and he confused them into feeling inadequate through his over complicated gameplan.

Really he was the right coach for the wrong time. Hardwick is exactly what out club needs now. Whether he has the tactical nous as the side starts to push for the flag is uncertain...

You know, I wonder about this overcomplicated game plan that wallace supposedly had.
I get the impression that the game plan is more complicated now under hardwick, as the players have books of set plays, similar to gridiron, that they  must learn.

Jack said something about the difference from wallace to hardwick was like going from primary school to high school.

It took rance until his second year under dimma before he actually understood
how dimma wanted them to play.

I think the big difference is that hardwick actually spends time teaching the players how he wants them to play and trains with drills specifically designed to implement his plan and set plays, repeatedly.

It seemed to be a huge learning curve for the whole team initially, which showed in the opening months of 2010 season.
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Re: Terry Wallace list manager: Richmond
« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2012, 06:16:54 PM »
Listening to the podcast from the club, they actually touched on this.

Wallace wanted to change the game plan to counter different teams, whereas dimma basically has the one game plan week in week out. As he said when he took over, Geelongs game plan was predictable, they just executed so well and that was his aim

I suppose the theory is that you are better off mastering one game plan by repetition rather than being average at a number of different plans because you get no continuity in execution.
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways my ways,” says the Lord.
 
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are my ways higher than your ways,
And my thoughts than your thoughts."

Yahweh? or the great Clawski?

yaw rehto eht dellorcs ti fi daer ot reisae eb dluow tI

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Re: Terry Wallace list manager: Richmond
« Reply #20 on: March 22, 2012, 01:10:47 AM »
Listening to the podcast from the club, they actually touched on this.

Wallace wanted to change the game plan to counter different teams, whereas dimma basically has the one game plan week in week out. As he said when he took over, Geelongs game plan was predictable, they just executed so well and that was his aim

I suppose the theory is that you are better off mastering one game plan by repetition rather than being average at a number of different plans because you get no continuity in execution.

yep all good sides do this, hawks, pies, cats, are regimented in their structures and nail the execution more

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Re: Terry Wallace list manager: Richmond
« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2012, 11:38:34 AM »
To be a good coach & able to get the message through, you have to be hands on. Not combing your hair & having makeup applied for the camera = Leatherskin Wallet.

NO MORE WALLACE TALK l'm over him  :banghead

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Re: Terry Wallace list manager: Richmond
« Reply #22 on: March 23, 2012, 02:56:40 PM »
That's interesting al and makes a great deal of sense. TW obvious didn't know how to educate. He's like that brilliant mathematician teacher who can't comprehend or relate to his students not understanding his lesson the first time. One of Dimmas greatest strengths is that he knows how to teach (actually comes from a family of teachers) and had to work hard on his own game to compete. This is why he can relate so well to triers like Jake King.

WP does make some good points though on being quick to point the finger. I don't think we can attribute the blame directly on TW if the fitness staff have barely changed. What I think we can blame TW for is his inability to place enough enforcis on player development. The fact he barely spoke to his recruits and rarely involved himself in training speaks volumes of the value he placed on the development of the younger players. His focus was on the now and on finding ways to win that season and that week.

As I said, he may have been a good coach for an experienced team, but not for a developing team.

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Re: Terry Wallace list manager: Richmond
« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2012, 03:06:37 PM »
had maths teacher very similar to that stripes.  ;D

Your point is so true.

Except for perhaps blight and mathews, most of the succesfull coaches i've seen have been those who have had to work hard during their playing career, and i've always felt it is for the reason that you mention, they can relate to those for whom it does not just happen
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways my ways,” says the Lord.
 
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are my ways higher than your ways,
And my thoughts than your thoughts."

Yahweh? or the great Clawski?

yaw rehto eht dellorcs ti fi daer ot reisae eb dluow tI

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Re: Terry Wallace list manager: Richmond
« Reply #24 on: March 24, 2012, 04:44:04 PM »
had maths teacher very similar to that stripes.  ;D

Your point is so true.

Except for perhaps blight and mathews, most of the succesfull coaches i've seen have been those who have had to work hard during their playing career, and i've always felt it is for the reason that you mention, they can relate to those for whom it does not just happen

Talking about teachers AL  ;D 
l had a teacher who loved to smack us with a 3 foot wooden ruler. He was the famous Jack Dyers nephew  ;D

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Re: Terry Wallace list manager: Richmond
« Reply #25 on: March 24, 2012, 04:46:58 PM »
The only time i ever smacked by a teacher was thanks to Buddha Hocking
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways my ways,” says the Lord.
 
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are my ways higher than your ways,
And my thoughts than your thoughts."

Yahweh? or the great Clawski?

yaw rehto eht dellorcs ti fi daer ot reisae eb dluow tI

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Re: Terry Wallace list manager: Richmond
« Reply #26 on: March 24, 2012, 04:50:40 PM »
The only time i ever smacked by a teacher was thanks to Buddha Hocking

was that on the field or in the schoolyard  :lol

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Re: Terry Wallace list manager: Richmond
« Reply #27 on: March 24, 2012, 04:51:35 PM »
 :lol in the school yard, but a footy was involved.
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways my ways,” says the Lord.
 
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are my ways higher than your ways,
And my thoughts than your thoughts."

Yahweh? or the great Clawski?

yaw rehto eht dellorcs ti fi daer ot reisae eb dluow tI

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Re: Terry Wallace list manager: Richmond
« Reply #28 on: March 26, 2012, 07:02:04 AM »
Dare i say it but while Wallace was coach we drafted:

Deledio
Cotchin
Vickery
Riewoldt
Rance

5 of our key players going into 2012

Plus
 
Post
Edwards
King
Nahas

who would all (based on preseason form) be in our starting 22

So I suppose it comes down to who you give the credit to? The recruiters or the coach? Answer - depends on which ones turn out to be guns and which ones turn out to be duds  ;D

I think I'll shut up now  :rollin

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No worries WP
Lids was always no 1 cotch always no 2 got nothing to do with gun recruiting or leather face picking those 2

Post Edwards have done nothing thus far to start rewarding recruiters

Jack, Nahas, Vickery yes agree

King good average player

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