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Benchmarks for Success (Age)
« on: May 25, 2012, 02:38:18 AM »
The hardcopy of yesterday's Age newspaper included a table which isn't on the online version of the article. Excluding the new clubs GWS and GC, the article has Richmond equal 3rd last in terms of experience and having defined premiership benchmarks.

Benchmarking brings success
Jesse Hogan
May 24, 2012


Teams win flags for a reason and those reasons can be calculated across the seasons.

Which team will be the next to have its name etched on a premiership cup just over 18 weeks from now?

To work out which of the teams are of premiership quality, it is worth examining the premiers from the past decade to determine the skills they shared.

The full online article is here: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/benchmarking-brings-success-20120523-1z5k1.html

And here's the rest of the Age article from its hardcopy version:



The 28 Categories and Benchmarks

Stats (14):

* Possessions (top 4)
* Contested possessions (top 5)
* Uncontested possessions (top 4)
* Efficiency (top 5)
* Fewest clangers (top 6)
* Contested marks (top 4)
* Inside-50 marks (top 4)
* Clearances (top 6)
* Inside 50s (top 4)
* Curbing inside-50s (top 4)
* 1%-ers (top 4)
* Scoring (top 3)
* Curbing scoring (top 3)
* Top-10 players missing due to injury (fewer than 2 matches per player).

Player Experience (6), among 25 most-used players:

* Total matches (2300)
* Average matches (80)
* 0-50 bracket (7 or fewer)
* 51-100 bracket (less than or equal to 7)
* 101-200 bracket (equal to or greater than 8 )
* 201+ bracket (equal to or greater than 3)

Big-game record (4):

* Record against top-4 in past year (50%)
* Record against top-4 past 3 years (40%)
* Record against top 4 past 5 years (30%)
* Record in finals past 3 years (50%)

Wins (3):

* Home-and-away wins past year (equal to or greater than 15)
* Home-and-away wins past 3 years (equal to or greater than 40)
* Home-and-away wins past 5 years (equal to or greater than 55)

Coach (1):

* Full years coach in place beforehand (equal to or greater than 3).


Richmond snapshot

The most prolific possession team in league and the most precise in terms of efficiency.
But does not rank in the top eight for any of contested marks, inside-50 marks and scoring.
The Tigers have the least experienced squad in the league, with average experience of 67.5 (just below Hawthorn in 2008).

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Re: Benchmarks for Success (Age)
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2012, 12:48:39 PM »
The left one major ingredient out... Culture. The secret herb & spice that make the winners win.
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Re: Benchmarks for Success (Age)
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2012, 12:53:25 PM »
Stupid article.

How does Geelong not have coaching experience.. Scott won the flag last year.

Yet Carlton have coaching experience ticked.

Wasted my time reading this.
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Re: Benchmarks for Success (Age)
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2012, 01:37:33 PM »
Read this article. Didn't understand it. Waste of time if you ask me. Voss getting a tick in the coaching box. FFS.

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Re: Benchmarks for Success (Age)
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2012, 01:40:54 PM »
The left one major ingredient out... Culture. The secret herb & spice that make the winners win.

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Re: Benchmarks for Success (Age)
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2012, 02:24:04 PM »
while im not sure like others how the coaches experience one is done, i have no hesitation in agreeing with the rest of it,it does reflect what we have done and how we have performed.

if there are 28 key categories that the last 10 premiers represent we dont tick too many boxes. but we all know this we all know we have probably improved enough to push for the 8 we most certainly havent to win one. in that regard we have a long way to go. by the time that happens we could turn over again half our list while the other half get into the right age brackets and games behind them

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« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2012, 07:16:36 PM »
The left one major ingredient out... Culture. The secret herb & spice that make the winners win.

Reckon someone's been on the secret 'erb lately.... ::)

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« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2012, 10:51:07 PM »
The left one major ingredient out... Culture. The secret herb & spice that make the winners win.

Tell me how you measure that on success. For example Team A has played finals the last 3 years with moderate success whose premiership window is diminishing yet a few players have had run ins with the law for alcohol related offences but TEAM B who have a new coach who is in his third season and has turned over 30 players and probably another 15-20 in the next 3 years to give us a sniff has a worse culture now than Team A.

What a load of skata.

To win premierships you need to play finals but to get to finals you have to teach and nurture on and off the field.

The secret ingredient you may be talking about is common sense.

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Re: Benchmarks for Success (Age)
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2012, 11:13:20 PM »
The left one major ingredient out... Culture. The secret herb & spice that make the winners win.

Tell me how you measure that on success. For example Team A has played finals the last 3 years with moderate success whose premiership window is diminishing yet a few players have had run ins with the law for alcohol related offences but TEAM B who have a new coach who is in his third season and has turned over 30 players and probably another 15-20 in the next 3 years to give us a sniff has a worse culture now than Team A.

What a load of skata.

To win premierships you need to play finals but to get to finals you have to teach and nurture on and off the field.

The secret ingredient you may be talking about is common sense.
You have never wondered why teams like the Geelong, essendon, West Coast, Sydney and Adelaide make finals more often than they don't even when many, including "experts", either expect a fall or underestimate the quality of the list?
Why is this so?
A winning culture gets you in the finals and once your there that culture can get you over the line come grand final day.
A team with a loser culture will always be rebuilding another 5 year plan. ie Melbourne.     
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Re: Benchmarks for Success (Age)
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2012, 11:19:21 PM »
It's not culture, it's good list management and player development


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Re: Benchmarks for Success (Age)
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2012, 01:21:58 AM »
Culture is having tons of money.

That's why the Pies and the Bums are up there all the time.
MONEY!

Money creates a good culture because teams can get the best and make the club better.


I wonder how much teams Collingwood and Essendon would be travelling without their big money and supporter bases.
I reckon we have a big supporter base also but we don't have alot of big businessmen mates like the Bombers and the Pies.

Look at World sport.All the big money teams are at the top.

We are starting to get to the levels of Essendon and Collingwood thanks to Gary March and Benny Gale and the FTF is a big way of getting our "culture" sound.

With money,you can bargain more.With money,you can win flags.

The more we get for the RFC ,the more we can knock over these clubs with their great "cultures" LMAO.

P.S, I will say A great club needs sound people to provide a platform on which to stand on.
Otherwise no matter how big our supporter base is,they aint gonna throw money away on poo.
With Gary March and  Benny Gale,who put all these processes like getting a great coach,,assistants,spending more on recruiting,Punt Road
development in place,we can now focus on getting as much money and create a winning culture.
Free trade is coming and we need to be in a strong position when the sharks circle.
I buy most of my beer at the social club now because I know the club gets it.

Geelong might not have the suppporter base of a Collingwood but they make up for it for the amount of funds they get at home games.
They make a fortune and because of their great deal,their club has been at the top.They can bargain for better people.

The FTF is a HUUUUUGGGEEEEEE part of getting this club back on it's feet.HUUUUGGGGEEEEE.

The beauty of our club is the amazing upside and our supporters who are the lifeblood(still the most passionate and loudest in the league).
Once we start winning alot of games,the club will rise like Mount Everest into the clouds.

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Re: Benchmarks for Success (Age)
« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2012, 11:11:38 PM »
The left one major ingredient out... Culture. The secret herb & spice that make the winners win.

Tell me how you measure that on success. For example Team A has played finals the last 3 years with moderate success whose premiership window is diminishing yet a few players have had run ins with the law for alcohol related offences but TEAM B who have a new coach who is in his third season and has turned over 30 players and probably another 15-20 in the next 3 years to give us a sniff has a worse culture now than Team A.

What a load of skata.

To win premierships you need to play finals but to get to finals you have to teach and nurture on and off the field.

The secret ingredient you may be talking about is common sense.
You have never wondered why teams like the Geelong, essendon, West Coast, Sydney and Adelaide make finals more often than they don't even when many, including "experts", either expect a fall or underestimate the quality of the list?
Why is this so?
A winning culture gets you in the finals and once your there that culture can get you over the line come grand final day.
A team with a loser culture will always be rebuilding another 5 year plan. ie Melbourne.   

It can be argued St Kilda has been great on field club in the last eight or so years but their culture is skata despite two grand finals 3 prelims and missing on the finals just once since 2003. Culture is how you want to be seen. End product is how you will be graded at the end of an era.