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Re: Melbourne was tanking so I left: Brock McLean (fox footy)
« Reply #30 on: August 17, 2012, 09:42:41 AM »
$500K and stripped of Scully concessions

plus they have to remove that gay collar from their jumpers and hand in their ski passes for 2 years

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Re: Melbourne was tanking so I left: Brock McLean (fox footy)
« Reply #31 on: August 17, 2012, 12:07:04 PM »
Slap with a wet lettuce leaf.

The AFL rules were ripe for abuse. Melbourne not the only team to take advantage of overly generous concessions.

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Re: Melbourne was tanking so I left: Brock McLean (fox footy)
« Reply #32 on: August 17, 2012, 12:37:21 PM »
$500K and stripped of Scully concessions

plus they have to remove that gay collar from their jumpers and hand in their ski passes for 2 years

This should be the penalty but they wont cop anything IMHO. The idiots wasted their picks and everyone at the AFL probably feels sorry for them.

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Re: Melbourne was tanking so I left: Brock McLean (fox footy)
« Reply #33 on: August 17, 2012, 12:57:27 PM »
the cypriot dictator scoffed at suggestions that sides had tanked. He may now feel aggrieved and come down hard on them.

I hope the cheating slime feel his wrath.
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Re: Melbourne was tanking so I left: Brock McLean (fox footy)
« Reply #34 on: August 17, 2012, 02:58:13 PM »
Any team guilty of tanking should have the following penalties applied:

• All premierships should be stripped (West Coast & Collingwood)
• All players drafted should be considered free agents and traded for free to Tigers
• The clubs should be fined heavily and monies given to Tigers to buy players
• Carlton & Melbourne should be made to wear jumpers with Cheaters on the back
• Demetriou should be fined for favoring North and made to resign
• Essendon should wear the logo "lying sacks of poo" on their jumpers

Sorry - got a bit carried away with the last couple but can't be bothered changing it



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Re: Melbourne was tanking so I left: Brock McLean (fox footy)
« Reply #35 on: August 17, 2012, 09:57:22 PM »
Nothing will happen because Melbourne didn't break any rules and they weren't the only club tanking. Carlton were happy to lose the "Kreuzer Cup" game against Melbourne in 2007 while the Pies put most of their senior players in cotton wool for the second half of 2005 to gain a top of the first round priority pick to grab both Thomas and Pendlebury.
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Re: Melbourne was tanking so I left: Brock McLean (fox footy)
« Reply #36 on: August 17, 2012, 10:28:41 PM »
deliberately setting out to lose is breaking the rules, even if it is bringing the game in disrepute.

does boxing have a specific law about taking a dive?

does badmitton have a law making it illegal to deliberately hit the cock into the net so as to lose.

setting out to deliberately lose is match fixing and is illegal, as well as immoral.

andy d is still saying it doesnt happen, and it is difficult to prove so he will be happy to have his stance vindicated.
if the enquiry shows him to be wrong then melbourne will deserve every bit of wrath he sets upon them making him look bad.
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Re: Melbourne was tanking so I left: Brock McLean (fox footy)
« Reply #37 on: August 17, 2012, 10:42:34 PM »
Did they deliberately set out to lose, al? .... definitely!

Is there sufficiently hard evidence such as a recording of or an email from a high ranking Melbourne official saying they wanted to deliberately throw games? .... no there isn't. All the official lines were about "experimenting", "developing younger players to build towards the following year", etc...

The rule changes making it harder now to get a priority pick is an admittance by the AFL that clubs were abusing the draft system rules. However the AFL will never admit that just as they won't admit Melbourne were deliberately losing. The AFL will go through the charades of concern and then do nothing as usual as it's not in the AFL's interest to ping a club over this now. Nail one and they would need to nail the others (interview Libba over his time at Carlton where he claimed they tanked). The AFL aren't going to open a Pandora's box.
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Re: Melbourne was tanking so I left: Brock McLean (fox footy)
« Reply #38 on: August 18, 2012, 09:28:44 AM »
yeah, the crux of the matter is getting enough evidence to prove it, and like you i think they will cover it over, unless they happen to turn up enough damning evidence they risk having their own lack of integrity exposed.

The problem is that much of what is just smart list management. IE rsting senior player that are carrying injuries or putting them in for surgery once your season is shot is labelled as tanking, but it doesnt mean that losing is the reason for doing it. It happened before the draft system was in place. Even noe we have a lot of people saying that our players carrying injuries should be pastured for next year. They are not wanting this because they want us to lose, but because they see it as the best long term action as far as managing these players.

The libba one is interesting. He said that at the end of the season Carlton played players that were not up to AFL standard.
Perhaps he is right, it was a deliberate ploy to lose.

One the other hand, for one, that is just his personal asessment of the players and you only have to read through the forums to see that there can be many different views of players.

Nor is it a silly proposal that once your season is gone to give players in the firing line a shot to see if they can show anything that warrants another year on the list.

It's basically hard to prove either way in most cases, yet people want to see every possible tanking situation as just that, even though there are other legitimate possibilities.

(it reminds me of those who try to tell you the moon landing was faked. They cant give any evidence that it actually was, just tell you how it possibly was, so because it was possible,therefore it must have been)

BTW, the AFL should interview Malthouse and ask what he meant with his comments on Melbourne when he was asked about the task facing Neeld. It was pretty obvious that his relationship with Neeld allowed him an insight into what was going on at melbourne


“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways my ways,” says the Lord.
 
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are my ways higher than your ways,
And my thoughts than your thoughts."

Yahweh? or the great Clawski?

yaw rehto eht dellorcs ti fi daer ot reisae eb dluow tI

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Re: Melbourne was tanking so I left: Brock McLean (fox footy)
« Reply #39 on: August 18, 2012, 01:26:08 PM »
IMO

Putting players in for surgery early is not tanking

Playing fringe players to see if they offer anything for next season is not tanking

Having an overarching club policy from the beginning of a season to win as few games as possible is tanking

Playing players out of position to maximise the chances of a loss is tanking


Every club is guilty of the first two, and I have no doubt Melbourne and to a lesser extent Carlton are guilty of the last two. No doubt whatsoever.