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Re: Home games at Punt Rd?
« Reply #90 on: April 01, 2013, 07:18:25 PM »
I don't see the issue providing the AFL properly consult with our club, avoid disrupting out training at the venue and give the club some kind of commission for returning the venue to its former glory.
Can't wait myself, hope it happens should be worth a couple of million each year if we can negotiate a goos deal for the club.
Mmmmm, financial powerhouse.

But they've already said if they (AFL) chose it as the new boutique stadium then we would have to relocate while it is getting done = disruption to training

And how would it be worth a "couple of million each year" to the RFC? We wouldn't receive one $ from any match day receipts, catering etc for AFL games that are played there and the ability for us to host VFL games there which would be worth $$$ to us would be pratically no existent as AFL games would clearly have priorirty.

As I posted a couple of days ago we are talking about the AFL here their focus in this situation is not to help the RFC but those smaller clubs that they shafted when they shuntyed them off to Etihad a decade ago.

WP, who owns the rights to the ground? Is it the council, the cricket club ie. who gets any proceeds from the AFL  and/or the clubs who would need to pay the stadium operator to use the ground. Bit naive I know but I just made the assumption that we had year round access to the ground - therefore we might reasonably expect some access to the funds to pay for using it.
If its a 20k capacity stadium, why wouldn't it attract $200k per game?
That must be half what Etihad are charging if a club can't make money until they get more than 30k through the gate.
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Re: Home games at Punt Rd?
« Reply #91 on: April 01, 2013, 07:25:35 PM »

All BS to try to get hold of Etihad earlier than 2025.

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Re: Home games at Punt Rd?
« Reply #92 on: April 01, 2013, 07:38:46 PM »
Just reading up.

City of Melbourne own the ground and the land

RFC are the operators

I would think any decision must be agreed to by us.

It just seems the AFL have waited for us to fix this ground to Etihad sizes before reinventing this farcical idea of using our ground.




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Re: Home games at Punt Rd?
« Reply #93 on: April 01, 2013, 08:00:45 PM »
I don't see the issue providing the AFL properly consult with our club, avoid disrupting out training at the venue and give the club some kind of commission for returning the venue to its former glory.
Can't wait myself, hope it happens should be worth a couple of million each year if we can negotiate a goos deal for the club.
Mmmmm, financial powerhouse.

But they've already said if they (AFL) chose it as the new boutique stadium then we would have to relocate while it is getting done = disruption to training

And how would it be worth a "couple of million each year" to the RFC? We wouldn't receive one $ from any match day receipts, catering etc for AFL games that are played there and the ability for us to host VFL games there which would be worth $$$ to us would be pratically no existent as AFL games would clearly have priorirty.

As I posted a couple of days ago we are talking about the AFL here their focus in this situation is not to help the RFC but those smaller clubs that they shafted when they shuntyed them off to Etihad a decade ago.

WP, who owns the rights to the ground? Is it the council, the cricket club ie. who gets any proceeds from the AFL  and/or the clubs who would need to pay the stadium operator to use the ground. Bit naive I know but I just made the assumption that we had year round access to the ground - therefore we might reasonably expect some access to the funds to pay for using it.
If its a 20k capacity stadium, why wouldn't it attract $200k per game?
That must be half what Etihad are charging if a club can't make money until they get more than 30k through the gate.

Etihad situation is very different, it is privately owned.

Yes we hold the lease to operate Punt Road so yes there is an argument that as operators we'd charge some sort of fee.

But the biggest difference is we hold a licence to play in the AFL and who issues that licence? The good old AFL, now call me cynical but they hold the biggest ace in the pack when it is all said and done. Bottom line is I don't trust them and despite the faith I have in the RFC to do the right thing by us the members I can see the AFL screwing us. 

I cannot see the AFL agreeing to a usage fee of $200k a game, $20k probably but the end of the day they want the gate receipts going to the struggling clubs so they don't have to keep propping them up

The only thing I can see us successfully "bargaining" for is a guarantee for all our home games at the MCG.

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Re: Home games at Punt Rd?
« Reply #94 on: April 01, 2013, 08:44:28 PM »
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Re: Home games at Punt Rd?
« Reply #95 on: April 02, 2013, 08:33:25 AM »
I don't see the issue providing the AFL properly consult with our club, avoid disrupting out training at the venue and give the club some kind of commission for returning the venue to its former glory.
Can't wait myself, hope it happens should be worth a couple of million each year if we can negotiate a goos deal for the club.
Mmmmm, financial powerhouse.

But they've already said if they (AFL) chose it as the new boutique stadium then we would have to relocate while it is getting done = disruption to training

And how would it be worth a "couple of million each year" to the RFC? We wouldn't receive one $ from any match day receipts, catering etc for AFL games that are played there and the ability for us to host VFL games there which would be worth $$$ to us would be pratically no existent as AFL games would clearly have priorirty.

As I posted a couple of days ago we are talking about the AFL here their focus in this situation is not to help the RFC but those smaller clubs that they shafted when they shuntyed them off to Etihad a decade ago.

WP, who owns the rights to the ground? Is it the council, the cricket club ie. who gets any proceeds from the AFL  and/or the clubs who would need to pay the stadium operator to use the ground. Bit naive I know but I just made the assumption that we had year round access to the ground - therefore we might reasonably expect some access to the funds to pay for using it.
If its a 20k capacity stadium, why wouldn't it attract $200k per game?
That must be half what Etihad are charging if a club can't make money until they get more than 30k through the gate.

Etihad situation is very different, it is privately owned.

Yes we hold the lease to operate Punt Road so yes there is an argument that as operators we'd charge some sort of fee.

But the biggest difference is we hold a licence to play in the AFL and who issues that licence? The good old AFL, now call me cynical but they hold the biggest ace in the pack when it is all said and done. Bottom line is I don't trust them and despite the faith I have in the RFC to do the right thing by us the members I can see the AFL screwing us. 

I cannot see the AFL agreeing to a usage fee of $200k a game, $20k probably but the end of the day they want the gate receipts going to the struggling clubs so they don't have to keep propping them up

The only thing I can see us successfully "bargaining" for is a guarantee for all our home games at the MCG.

As I said call me cynical.....

WP, see below in the Hun from a few weeks ago

"GEELONG is inviting the Western Bulldogs to play home games at Simonds Stadium next year with the lure of a $750,000 cheque for crowds of 22k.
As the idea of a third boutique stadium again gained momentum yesterday, the Cats revealed they had made overtures to the AFL about rivals using their redeveloped stadium.
The Cats are not only prepared to sacrifice up to 20 per cent of their profit to rivals as part of equalisation measures, they say there is no need for a boutique ground.
Rather than writing a cheque to Etihad Stadium management for crowds in the low 20,000s, the Bulldogs could make a cash windfall from playing in Geelong.
Geelong chief executive Brian Cook said the offer was on the table for the Bulldogs and other clubs.
Talk of a boutique stadium invariably raises its head when the AFL is bargaining with its existing stadiums, but Cook said his door was also open to other clubs.
"We have had a couple of discussions with the AFL on the continual redevelopment of our stadium, and we are completing stage three now," he told the Herald Sun.
"We have spoken to the AFL on several occasions about the Doggies coming down in particular and playing other AFL clubs.

"We are very willing for that to happen. They would make very good money. Our capacity crowd was 22,000 last year and we made about $750,000 profit per game
Etihad Stadium is contracted to host 46 games until 2014, and at least 40 matches a year from 2015 to 2025, when the AFL takes ownership of the ground.

The AFL said yesterday that while the boutique stadium option had been discussed among clubs again recently, it did not make sense to inject $150 million into Punt Rd or Visy Park when the league would inherit its own stadium for $1.

In 2011, North Melbourne made just $97,540 from 11 home-games at Docklands before guaranteed top-ups of $100,000 per game, with seven losses on games with crowds of less than 28,000.
Geelong has warned the fabric of the competition was threatened if the gap continued to grow between the haves and have-nots."

WP:-
If 20k crowds  can make $750k in Geelong, why not Punt Rd?
How is the Geelong model any different to the Tigers? In fact why on earth would we not want to replicate a very successful model from Geelong up here at Punt Rd?
Why wouldn't the AFL skim 30% off that profit to the Tigers? Based on KPs model, clubs still stand to make over $500k per game.
Why wouldn't any other Melbourne club in the AFL be very open to the Punt Rd model given the alternatives at Etihad (cost) and Geelong (travel)?
Why can't the AFL re-develop the stadium around the ground and ME Bank - every other ground in the history of sport has continued to operate whilst being re-developed?
Why are we up in arms over letting the ground out to the AFL for effectively 8 days or about 50 hours EACH YEAR when it might deliver $2m in revenue that goes straight to the bottom line?

WP, while you might be very right to doubt the AFL motives, you should also back our executive to negotiate the best deal.

I reckon 65 is on the money though, this is a red herring to force Etihad managements hand  >:(
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Re: Home games at Punt Rd?
« Reply #96 on: April 02, 2013, 10:14:05 AM »
I share your concerns Willie,

I really hope that this blows over as soon as possible,

No way we will be better off with the afl taking over our ground

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Re: Home games at Punt Rd?
« Reply #97 on: April 02, 2013, 10:30:03 AM »
WP:-
If 20k crowds  can make $750k in Geelong, why not Punt Rd?
How is the Geelong model any different to the Tigers? In fact why on earth would we not want to replicate a very successful model from Geelong up here at Punt Rd?
Why wouldn't the AFL skim 30% off that profit to the Tigers? Based on KPs model, clubs still stand to make over $500k per game.
Why wouldn't any other Melbourne club in the AFL be very open to the Punt Rd model given the alternatives at Etihad (cost) and Geelong (travel)?
Why can't the AFL re-develop the stadium around the ground and ME Bank - every other ground in the history of sport has continued to operate whilst being re-developed?
Why are we up in arms over letting the ground out to the AFL for effectively 8 days or about 50 hours EACH YEAR when it might deliver $2m in revenue that goes straight to the bottom line?

WP, while you might be very right to doubt the AFL motives, you should also back our executive to negotiate the best deal.

I reckon 65 is on the money though, this is a red herring to force Etihad managements hand  >:(

Fair points you make but the Geelong situation again is different. Firstly they are Club in town that needs them, hence why the GFC has a great deal with local govt

Geelong have total control over Kardinnia Park. They control the catering, signage, the car parking; everything that is the arrangement they have with local government down there. Just Geelong having control over those 3 things means that will make money by having other teams play down there. Also whether the folks down at Geelong want to admit it or not they are in fact a regional town and therefore the overhead costs for a number of things wuld be a lot less than what it would cost to do the same in metro Melb

We don't have the same arrangement. Example: we don't/wouldn't control the car parking that's local Council and they charge a fair whack to open up Yarra Park - so there is no money coming our way from that. In fact if you didn't get a decent crowd then just opening the car park up could end costing the ground operator money

Currently we have no catering in place because games arent' played there but even if we did I would argue that again you'd need a decent crowd to make any money from it. There would be a number in place that would need to be hit before there would be any $$ flowing back to the ground operator. And who's to say that the AFL wont want to have control of this?

As for re-developing the ground. How will it work? The ground has been made bigger to Etihad size dimension and that has almost removed the viewing area (distance between the boundary and the fencing) on the Punt Road side of the ground? What do they intend to do? They can't knock down the Dyer Stand (heritage listed), offices or ME Bank centre so what do they do?

Granted it may only be 8-10 scheduled games a year but the AFL will want the ground available at all times during the year in case they need to move games when clubs seasons turn pear shape (hello MFC  ;D)

You said it yourself it might deliver $2mil but I am saying it is unlikely to.

I said I trust the RFC to do the right thing by its members but I dont trust the AFL to deliver on what it implies it will do. With the AFL you need to not only read the fine print but the finer print that never appears until after they get their way
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Re: Home games at Punt Rd?
« Reply #98 on: April 02, 2013, 11:51:15 AM »
As for re-developing the ground. How will it work? The ground has been made bigger to Etihad size dimension and that has almost removed the viewing area (distance between the boundary and the fencing) on the Punt Road side of the ground? What do they intend to do? They can't knock down the Dyer Stand (heritage listed), offices or ME Bank centre so what do they do?


New seating area backs on to Richmond Station and over Brunton Avenue?

Still completely against it unless it is extremely favorable to us somehow? Would rather see the death of N0rt and Melbum.

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Re: Home games at Punt Rd?
« Reply #99 on: April 02, 2013, 01:11:56 PM »
WP:-
If 20k crowds  can make $750k in Geelong, why not Punt Rd?
How is the Geelong model any different to the Tigers? In fact why on earth would we not want to replicate a very successful model from Geelong up here at Punt Rd?
Why wouldn't the AFL skim 30% off that profit to the Tigers? Based on KPs model, clubs still stand to make over $500k per game.
Why wouldn't any other Melbourne club in the AFL be very open to the Punt Rd model given the alternatives at Etihad (cost) and Geelong (travel)?
Why can't the AFL re-develop the stadium around the ground and ME Bank - every other ground in the history of sport has continued to operate whilst being re-developed?
Why are we up in arms over letting the ground out to the AFL for effectively 8 days or about 50 hours EACH YEAR when it might deliver $2m in revenue that goes straight to the bottom line?

WP, while you might be very right to doubt the AFL motives, you should also back our executive to negotiate the best deal.

I reckon 65 is on the money though, this is a red herring to force Etihad managements hand  >:(

Fair points you make but the Geelong situation again is different. Firstly they are Club in town that needs them, hence why the GFC has a great deal with local govt

Geelong have total control over Kardinnia Park. They control the catering, signage, the car parking; everything that is the arrangement they have with local government down there. Just Geelong having control over those 3 things means that will make money by having other teams play down there. Also whether the folks down at Geelong want to admit it or not they are in fact a regional town and therefore the overhead costs for a number of things wuld be a lot less than what it would cost to do the same in metro Melb

We don't have the same arrangement. Example: we don't/wouldn't control the car parking that's local Council and they charge a fair whack to open up Yarra Park - so there is no money coming our way from that. In fact if you didn't get a decent crowd then just opening the car park up could end costing the ground operator money

Currently we have no catering in place because games arent' played there but even if we did I would argue that again you'd need a decent crowd to make any money from it. There would be a number in place that would need to be hit before there would be any $$ flowing back to the ground operator. And who's to say that the AFL wont want to have control of this?

As for re-developing the ground. How will it work? The ground has been made bigger to Etihad size dimension and that has almost removed the viewing area (distance between the boundary and the fencing) on the Punt Road side of the ground? What do they intend to do? They can't knock down the Dyer Stand (heritage listed), offices or ME Bank centre so what do they do?

Granted it may only be 8-10 scheduled games a year but the AFL will want the ground available at all times during the year in case they need to move games when clubs seasons turn pear shape (hello MFC  ;D)

You said it yourself it might deliver $2mil but I am saying it is unlikely to.

I said I trust the RFC to do the right thing by its members but I dont trust the AFL to deliver on what it implies it will do. With the AFL you need to not only read the fine print but the finer print that never appears until after they get their way

The proposal involves the Jack Dyer Stand being re-developed, yes it is heritage listed, but so was the MCG, it wont be a big deal to knock it down

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