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Reinventing the Tigers - Caro
« on: July 31, 2005, 03:34:45 AM »
Reinventing the Tigers
By Caroline Wilson
The Age
July 31, 2005


Anthony Banki (sic) and the records of fellow top Tiger draft picks.
 

Richmond's single-figure draft choices paint a pretty dreadful picture, even leaving out the Tigers' big fisherman from South Australia, Richard Lounder, whose name has long outlasted his AFL career as a favorite sports trivia joke.

Which did not place any added pressure on coach Terry Wallace and football director Greg Miller when they set about making their choice in November last year. After all, the club was already under the pump in the midst of a bitter political feud and had just collected another wooden spoon.

Wallace had played no part in any of the Tigers' woes and loomed for Clinton Casey's embattled board as not only a coaching messiah but also a massive electoral tool, while Miller, whose reputation as a talent spotter had been honed over two decades, had declared himself a Casey candidate and was regarded as another winner.

But still the pair was faced with a massive and rare choice. In the end, it came down to two teenagers - the South Australian under-18 captain Ryan Griffen or the classy Kyabram midfielder Brett Deledio.

Griffen already had proved himself among men playing for South Adelaide in the SANFL, while Deledio, also an All-Australian under-18, had played senior Victorian country football, and was nine months Griffen's junior.

Wallace chose Deledio partly because of his age, believing patience and development would transform him into a 90-kilogram midfielder who would prove equally effective as a forward. For a second or two, he thought he might also snag Griffen when Hawthorn, with its priority pick (No. 2 overall), chose Jarryd Roughead.

But Griffen went to the Western Bulldogs, which also had snared a priority pick, and it seems that the 2005 National Rising Star has become a contest between these two footballers.

Until a month ago, Melbourne's Brock McLean, 13 months older than Deledio, looked to have the prestigious award sewn up but injury has hurt his chances.

Griffen played a blinder last weekend against Geelong and, should he finish the season in the manner his teammate Adam Cooney did in 2004, then the Bulldogs look every chance of claiming successive Rising Stars. But were the vote taking place today, Deledio probably would win, which would prove a massive fillip for Richmond, which has not had a Rising Star winner, an award initiated in 1993 when it was won by Nathan Buckley.

Other winners include Ben Cousins, Byron Pickett, Adam Goodes, Justin Koschitzke and Nick Riewoldt.

Deledio played his first four AFL games as a 17-year-old and made his mark immediately with a series of commanding contested marks against Geelong in round one. He has not missed a senior game in his debut season and over the past month clearly has been let loose by Wallace, who protected him early on.

According to insiders at Tigerland, who stopped short of describing the teenager as "cocky", Deledio has shown no signs of requiring protection. Like most potential stars, his weaponry includes a relaxed confidence around even his senior teammates, with whom he immediately has felt comfortable.

The famously introverted Tigers were crying out for a footballer not only of Deledio's class but also his personality. Early on in his time at the club, he moved in with Mark Coughlan and if football clubs are built upon strong, decisive leadership groups of solid collective character, then Richmond is moving in that direction, with Deledio adding a decent dose of arrogance as well.

He was expected to alternate between the midfield and the forward line against Carlton today. Should he play every game this season along with one final, then he will have managed to achieve in 2005 almost half the career games played by Richmond's previous two No. 1 draft choices put together.

Which leads us to the next challenge faced by Wallace and Miller. Of Richmond's four other top-10 draft choices still playing in the AFL, only one - Kayne Pettifer - remains at Tigerland. The job now is to create the type of professional, successful environment from which no good footballer would depart willingly.

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Heat on for draft stars - Richo
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2005, 03:37:54 AM »
Heat on for draft stars
By Matthew Richardson
The Age
July 31, 2005

I reckon the national drafts of 2000 and 2001 have a lot to answer for. Consider the names that went with the top picks in those years: Nick Riewoldt and Justin Koschitzke (2000), Luke Hodge, Luke Ball and Chris Judd (2001).

They were all taken with priority picks and each of these players had an immediate impact in their first 20 or 30 games with their club. In fact, at the start of this season, you could easily have mounted an argument that Riewoldt (at age 22, with 75 games behind him) and Judd (21 and 68 games) were possibly the two best footballers in the competition.

These five footballers looked so comfortable at AFL level straight away - looked so ready-made for senior football - that I think they raised the already high expectations on top draft picks.

Anyone who gets selected among the first few selections in the draft has always had a burden of expectation, but since 2000-01, that burden seems heavier than ever. Now football fans expect to get a player who will not only walk straight into the seniors, but be a leading player.

The pressure is even more intense on the young guys taken with priority picks because, obviously, such a club has really struggled the season before. Its supporters are searching for someone who can make that impact straight away - they don't necessarily want to wait on a kid who will develop into a top player in a few seasons - which is often what is required with taller players.

That was the sort of pressure Richmond was under last year when we had the No. 1 pick for the first time in my time at Punt Road. We knew in the last few rounds of 2004 that we would be getting a high draft selection, and much of the talk around the club was about who that would be. The club's position going into the draft was simply to take the best available players. Unconditionally.

Brett Deledio and Richard Tambling were often mentioned as the best players available, so when we managed to get both at selections one and four, it gave the whole place a lift. It also put pressure on both of those players before they'd even rocked up to a training session. They had everyone's eyes, including the Richmond players, on them on the track over summer, trying to assess the various aspects of their games.

Thankfully, there was plenty to like. They also proved in tests that they were probably the two fastest footballers at the club.

The expectations were even higher by the time the practice matches rolled around. Everyone you spoke to seemed to want to know if these kids were the real deal. The fact that they came into the team and injected talent and excitement also gave the older guys a lift in enthusiasm and expectation for the season ahead.

Now that we're three-quarters of the way through the season, I don't think you could have hoped for any more from Deledio. He has shown that he is a strong mark for his size, has excellent disposal on both sides, and his attitude is spot on. He has played every game thus far and improved as the year has gone on. I reckon he'd have to be a really strong chance to win the AFL's Rising Star award. Tambling has also shown glimpses in the matches he's played: he's elusive, has goalkicking nous, is a handy mark and also has an excellent attitude. Unfortunately, he's as disappointed as anyone that injury has interrupted his season.

But this is where people need to keep a lid on their expectations for instant results.

Richard will be an excellent AFL footballer once his body gets used to the physical demands, but 2005 is probably step one in what should be a 10-plus-year career. Remember that Luke Ball managed just one VFL match in his first season after being drafted by St Kilda.

Ultimately, all this stuff about trying to judge whether the drafting order matches up with a ranking of the same players in order of their ability is pointless. It just doesn't matter a stuff.

Who cares whether No. 3 in the draft ends up being the third-best player out of those who were available that year. Particularly when you're trying to make those calls early in players' careers.

The fact is that the top half-a-dozen selections each year are so close in ability and attitude that it's stupid trying to rank them against each other all the time. Especially when you consider the only time this happens is in the first few years of a player's career anyway, so what you're really judging is who makes the best start to his career. Often, perceptions change dramatically as the years go on anyway, and at various stages over a decade or so, opinions fluctuate on which guys you'd rate ahead of one another. And that's what they are - opinions. Realistically, the only time you can attempt any kind of judgement is at the end of players' careers, and even then, there are so many variables.

Last year, some critics were pretty keen to question whether the Western Bulldogs' Adam Cooney deserved to be a No. 1 pick in 2003.

That began to ease in the final few rounds of the season, and this year it is not even an issue because he has begun to impress at AFL level.

And it's worth remembering that for every Chris Judd, who blitzes in his first 50 matches, there are another 10 players who take a few seasons to find their feet, but in the end become as important to their team. Look at Shane Tuck for Richmond. He was delisted at Hawthorn, spent time in the SANFL and now in his first full season, at age 23, is probably in the top few in the Tigers' best-and-fairest count.

Dean Cox had to wait for his chance at the Eagles and has gradually progressed to the point where he is a crucial player for them, could be the All-Australian ruckman, and is likely to poll well in this year's Brownlow Medal.

So, when it comes to draft time in November and you're looking at who your club takes with its first selection, just remember that the recruiters mostly get it right. It just might require a little patience from the supporters. Particularly when you consider how much pressure these kids are placed under straight away these days.

http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2005/07/30/1122144054766.html

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Re: Reinventing the Tigers - Caro
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2005, 05:44:27 AM »
So in other words Caro we've had poor recruiting and development for 20 years. Geez we weren't aware of that  ;). Very hard for young players to develop when the number of skill sessions we used to have prior to Wallace arriving was on par with school footy  :scream.

The drafts in the late 80's and early 90's weren't like the past 7-8 years. It was basically a Vic country and Tassie draft in the late 80's with players from SA only voluntarily coming over and West Coast having WA as their zone. Wish Lounder had said no  :scream. We also we broke then so we delibrately went for country kids from Victoria who were cheaper.

From the more recent drafts Fiora and Pettifer are examples of drafting based on need at that time rather than choosing the best kid available. 1999 we said we needed more skilled runners and 2000 began Spud's need to find midsized goalkickers which lead to Hudson and Houlihan the following year :banghead. At least in Kayne's draft we also got Cogs, Hyde, Krakouer and Newman.

But still the pair was faced with a massive and rare choice. In the end, it came down to two teenagers - the South Australian under-18 captain Ryan Griffen or the classy Kyabram midfielder Brett Deledio.

Both kids are going to be guns so it's a win-win for both us and the doggies. Only the Richmond obsessed Hawk morons on BF's main board find enjoyment writing off kids in their first year of AFL even when they've had injuries throughout the year as Tambo has  ::)

I'd personally take Lids. A complete footballer. That electric burst out of the pack from the hitout last week and spearing a pass with his supposedly non-dominant foot straight onto Richo's chest said it all.
 
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Re: Reinventing the Tigers - Caro
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2005, 10:00:34 AM »
there is no doubt griffen will be a star! but................... i dont buy this bs that he was best on ground and beat ablett the week before. ablett kicked 3 goals and had 27 touches! to me even though a few times griffen won a contest and showed gr8 skill and evasiveness with that "shimmy", i beleive the media and the dogs pumped up his performance.

we made the right choice with lids.
1/ he is victorian, he wont get homesick
2/ he is nearly a yr younger than griffen and alreasy showing more strings to his bow
3/ he has alot more growing to do
4/ he has more pace
5/ he has sure hands
6/ he has the ability to kick humungus sausage torpes at will

the only thing griffen has ahead of lids at this stage is a more developed body thus can handle body contact a better at this stage, but one more preseason , watch out. withing 2 more seasons lids will be a 90 kg 19 yo fast muscle machine

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Re: Reinventing the Tigers - Caro
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2005, 07:16:57 PM »
6/ he has the ability to kick humungus sausage torpes at will

lol in the last quarter thinking to himself our forward line can't take a mark or kick a goal to save themselves so I'll go the 60m+ torp at goal. The ball still went 50m even though he miskicked it.

Spot on about Lids X. Watch out 2007.
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Re: Reinventing the Tigers - Caro
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2005, 07:37:06 PM »
6/ he has the ability to kick humungus sausage torpes at will

lol in the last quarter thinking to himself our forward line can't take a mark or kick a goal to save themselves so I'll go the 60m+ torp at goal. The ball still went 50m even though he miskicked it.

Spot on about Lids X. Watch out 2007.

Lol and Simmonds wasn't very impressed at all!

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Re: Reinventing the Tigers - Caro
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2005, 08:05:45 PM »
Theres no doubt that Griffen is going to be a gun, i have been very impressed with him over the last few weeks.

BUT,

in saying that there is no doubt in my mind we still got the best player. Lids is going to be a superstar, he will be able to play on ball like a Chris Judd and also have/has the ability to play forward and be extremely damaging with the great set of hands he has.

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Re: Reinventing the Tigers - Caro
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2005, 08:47:24 PM »
6/ he has the ability to kick humungus sausage torpes at will

lol in the last quarter thinking to himself our forward line can't take a mark or kick a goal to save themselves so I'll go the 60m+ torp at goal. The ball still went 50m even though he miskicked it.

Spot on about Lids X. Watch out 2007.
hey mt, i had a thought, maybe wallace is bluffing everyone and really wants top bottom out at this end of teh season, really making finals, finishing 9th wont do anything for us but finishing below 10th, at least will get us better picks in the next draft.  maybe we should keep drafting more kids with captaincy and leadership qualities. was really impressed with bling today , showed gr8 maturity to fight on in th e2nd half after  being kept quiet in the 1st. and lids, we know atm he is light on but he is the judd of the future and cant wait till 2007

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Re: Reinventing the Tigers - Caro
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2005, 02:47:35 PM »
hey mt, i had a thought, maybe wallace is bluffing everyone and really wants top bottom out at this end of teh season, really making finals, finishing 9th wont do anything for us but finishing below 10th, at least will get us better picks in the next draft.  maybe we should keep drafting more kids with captaincy and leadership qualities

Miller constantly talks about us finding kids with leadership qualities.

The current system rewards the top sides with premiership/finals and the rabble teams  with priority picks but penalises the mediocre ones. We've gone from rabble to mediocre this year so like the previous decade we are again in danger of getting lousey picks with respect to our ability. If we lose against Freo it'd be better for us in the long term to lose the remaining 3 games as well and hope Port, Doggies and even the Bombers jump ahead of us and the Hawks win one more on top of beating us to lose their priority pick. All up that would leave us with a top 5 pick despite the obvious gains we've made this year. I hate this defeatist outlook and the thought of tanking games but the stupid system forces you to think like this in terms of the best long term strategy. 
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