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Re: Top 6 Tigers in 2014?
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2013, 08:00:21 PM »
The bottom six players in the selected team will be the most important.

As always its not your best six that determine how far you go but your worst six.  Teams with "good" worst six players tend to make the top 4.

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Re: Top 6 Tigers in 2014?
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2013, 11:55:40 AM »
The bottom six players in the selected team will be the most important.

As always its not your best six that determine how far you go but your worst six.  Teams with "good" worst six players tend to make the top 4.

The Jackson five   

(Jackson + his 5 least talented amigos)
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Re: Top 6 Tigers in 2014?
« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2013, 12:23:58 PM »
Second Tier 6 crucial
Jackson
Maric
Rance
Vickery
Conca
Houli
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Re: Top 6 Tigers in 2014?
« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2013, 03:06:18 PM »

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Re: Top 6 Tigers in 2014?
« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2013, 10:12:20 PM »
Bookends and starting midfiled

Deledio
Cotchin
Martin
Maric
Rance
Riewoldt
hmm not bad judge.
for me
deledio - best player we have with ball in hand. finding it sometimes is an issue.
cotchin - inside and out hes great but hgis foot skills are ordinary at times. if he wishes to become truly elite he has to get better and he must find that hurt factor when kicking especially at goal.
martin -  a work in progress. ive constanly stated for the last two yrs. like ziebel as his motor improves the more dominant he will become.motor aside he has some areas he needs to work on.
rance - geez do i go there or not.  yes i disagree about him being a genuine kpd. here id place chaplain who also has issues.
riewoldt =  the petulant one. is lazy needs a much bigger motor and he needs to learn to run run run all day. i will be the first to say it but sizwe wise for me hes borderline kpf. and im talking size not height.
what we really need is someone stepping up in at least two areas and forcing these blokes out.
they are a good top 6 and you know what most weeks they have carried the team but as a top 6  is the all round quality really there.anyway me im looking for about a top 10 12 vlastuin ellis i wont say conca because i diont think he will ever be elite or close to it maybe lennon then we may become a power. so far off it atm.

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Re: Top 6 Tigers in 2014?
« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2013, 08:57:56 PM »
For me it's as follows-

Cotch- our only genuine mid- no one even close to being ready to play his roll.
Jack- our only decent KPF- with not much coming through to take his position
Morris- our only decent small lock down defender
Rance- our best all round tall defender- has got some good help now but I still think he is the fabric of it all down back.
Martin- our only X factor player that could win games off his own boot
Maric- if he can recapture 2012 form, will be a major factor

The way I rated them is to say 'who would be the hardest to replace if they went down with an injury'

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Re: Top 6 Tigers in 2014?
« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2013, 09:18:05 PM »
How is deledio more replaceable than morris

I accept without Morris we struggle.

Yet players of deledio ilk don't grow on trees. Nor is there a abundance of them on our list.

 I'd feel more comfortable with a dea or helbig type replacing Morris than I would the best midfielder outside the best 22, taking deledio spot.

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Re: Top 6 Tigers in 2014?
« Reply #22 on: December 05, 2013, 09:59:20 PM »
Top 6 Players

Cotchin - best inside player
Lids - best outside player
Jack - most mercurial player
Martin - best switch player
Hampson - will be best tap ruckman and mark around ground
Chaplin - back line general and best reader of the ball

Most irreplaceable

Morris - no other player can shut down a small forward anywhere near as well (remember how small forwards used to carve us up before he was in the team?!)
Vickery - best structural player in the team
Maric - around the ground bullocking ruckwork
King - best defensive forward we have
Ellis - outside runner and finisher
Houli - sets up more forward links plays that any other player.

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Re: Top 6 Tigers in 2014?
« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2013, 01:30:39 PM »
How is deledio more replaceable than morris

I accept without Morris we struggle.

Yet players of deledio ilk don't grow on trees. Nor is there a abundance of them on our list.

 I'd feel more comfortable with a dea or helbig type replacing Morris than I would the best midfielder outside the best 22, taking deledio spot.

Lids gets shut down easily. Simple fact.
I'd bet my life on Morris on Grand Final day doing his job, could you say the same about Lids?
Lids is a jet when he gets things on his terms but if you plonk someone on him, and it doesn't have to be Ryan Crowely, he turns to water.
That's how he is more replaceable than Morris.

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Re: Top 6 Tigers in 2014?
« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2013, 02:00:02 PM »
Deledio got the ball 550 times last season. I would bet most of these occasions he disposed of the ball in a clean and efficient manner. If he was not beaten by taggers on occasion he would be the Total Disposals Leader for the AFL, or at least top five. Personally I would feel more comfortable for a Dea to replace Morris than whoever is next cab of the rank to replace Deledio.

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I'd bet my life on Morris on Grand Final day doing his job, could you say the same about Lids?

Yet - is Morris 'job' more important than Lids 'job'? I doubt it.

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Lids is a jet when he gets things on his terms but if you plonk someone on him, and it doesn't have to be Ryan Crowely, he turns to water.

There are times when Morris has been beaten. Heck, Ablett has 'lost' to Daneil Jackson once and no player is really above been beaten by a tagger on occasion.

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That's how he is more replaceable than Morris.

I respectfully Disagree. I feel Lids still has the potential to improve as a footballer, especially as his team mates grow in ability.

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Re: Top 6 Tigers in 2014?
« Reply #25 on: December 06, 2013, 02:03:59 PM »
i think Tone is confusing facts with opinions.
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Re: Top 6 Tigers in 2014?
« Reply #26 on: December 06, 2013, 03:17:17 PM »

Most irreplaceable

Vickery - best structural player in the team

Irreplaceable coz he's good for our structure ?

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Re: Top 6 Tigers in 2014?
« Reply #27 on: December 06, 2013, 07:04:35 PM »
i think Tone is confusing facts with opinions.
Just my opinion

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Re: Top 6 Tigers in 2014?
« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2013, 02:26:53 AM »
TBH I'd have considered trading Lids as part of a deal for pick 1.

Great ball user but at his age the fact that he hasn't learned to shake a tag really bothers me. Tough guy but will never have the strength in the hips that could make him an insider so essentially we have a ball user (not exactly a ball winner) who gets well and truly shut out.

World wouldn't end without him. I'm a massive fan and all but as a midfielder he's more replaceable IMO than say a true KPF like Boyd is touted to be.