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Quote from: Yeahright on September 05, 2016, 05:42:57 PMQuote from: big tone on September 05, 2016, 12:30:32 PMBEllis- I wish he was leaving/soft/scared/massive failI'll probably cop a lot for this but I don't think Ellis has been a massive fail. Don't take this the wrong way though, I still think he needs to be moved on or pull his finger out (yes he fluffs the kicks and is scared of contact and that is unlikely to change but if it can, he needs to do it).But he shouldn't have really been a first round recruit. He was pick 15, after all of GWS's concessions. They were able to sign 12 players better than Ellis before they even entered the draft. Factor in their ability to recruit players who weren't previously drafted but had nominated (we did get Steve Morris this way but also Jamie Elliot is another example) and suddenly our pick 15 was realistically on the ~30th best player that was draftable. The fact Ellis also performed reasonably (ignoring the squibbing) early and then plateaued probably makes things look worse as well. But I think we have got a decent return for a player recruited way earlier than he should have been (not the RFC's fault) but it's now time to either move him on or get more out of him. Yeah but really good players can be picked at 30+ like Paul Chapman or Dane Swan. Sure he's not a total fail but he isn't great either. Maybe it is the coaching. That's what the review must have identified or why dump the coaching staff. Maybe it identified recruiting too and that will play out at the end of the draft. Given as yet we don't have the review it's quite possible recruiting will go too. I think it's mostly our recruiting, for me superior sportsmen show out by their teenage years in some way. We just dont have the recruiting team that can judge cattle.
Quote from: big tone on September 05, 2016, 12:30:32 PMBEllis- I wish he was leaving/soft/scared/massive failI'll probably cop a lot for this but I don't think Ellis has been a massive fail. Don't take this the wrong way though, I still think he needs to be moved on or pull his finger out (yes he fluffs the kicks and is scared of contact and that is unlikely to change but if it can, he needs to do it).But he shouldn't have really been a first round recruit. He was pick 15, after all of GWS's concessions. They were able to sign 12 players better than Ellis before they even entered the draft. Factor in their ability to recruit players who weren't previously drafted but had nominated (we did get Steve Morris this way but also Jamie Elliot is another example) and suddenly our pick 15 was realistically on the ~30th best player that was draftable. The fact Ellis also performed reasonably (ignoring the squibbing) early and then plateaued probably makes things look worse as well. But I think we have got a decent return for a player recruited way earlier than he should have been (not the RFC's fault) but it's now time to either move him on or get more out of him.
BEllis- I wish he was leaving/soft/scared/massive fail
Quote from: tdy on September 05, 2016, 06:01:58 PMQuote from: Yeahright on September 05, 2016, 05:42:57 PMQuote from: big tone on September 05, 2016, 12:30:32 PMBEllis- I wish he was leaving/soft/scared/massive failI'll probably cop a lot for this but I don't think Ellis has been a massive fail. Don't take this the wrong way though, I still think he needs to be moved on or pull his finger out (yes he fluffs the kicks and is scared of contact and that is unlikely to change but if it can, he needs to do it).But he shouldn't have really been a first round recruit. He was pick 15, after all of GWS's concessions. They were able to sign 12 players better than Ellis before they even entered the draft. Factor in their ability to recruit players who weren't previously drafted but had nominated (we did get Steve Morris this way but also Jamie Elliot is another example) and suddenly our pick 15 was realistically on the ~30th best player that was draftable. The fact Ellis also performed reasonably (ignoring the squibbing) early and then plateaued probably makes things look worse as well. But I think we have got a decent return for a player recruited way earlier than he should have been (not the RFC's fault) but it's now time to either move him on or get more out of him. Yeah but really good players can be picked at 30+ like Paul Chapman or Dane Swan. Sure he's not a total fail but he isn't great either. Maybe it is the coaching. That's what the review must have identified or why dump the coaching staff. Maybe it identified recruiting too and that will play out at the end of the draft. Given as yet we don't have the review it's quite possible recruiting will go too. I think it's mostly our recruiting, for me superior sportsmen show out by their teenage years in some way. We just dont have the recruiting team that can judge cattle.really good players can be picked up at any pick, rookie included.it doesnt happen very often after 20 though.
He'll be our best pick up ever
Re: Richmond hasn't been 'good enough' at the draft in 6 years: Wallace (H-Sun)Terry, he is the oracle this man. We must get him back, his wisdom and insight is...wise and insightful
Quote from: Owl on September 06, 2016, 01:49:37 PMRe: Richmond hasn't been 'good enough' at the draft in 6 years: Wallace (H-Sun)Terry, he is the oracle this man. We must get him back, his wisdom and insight is...wise and insightfulHe's like an annoying backseat driver. Great when he can criticise but terrible when put in the driver's seat.
