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4 umpies
« on: April 05, 2005, 05:19:46 AM »
Do we need 4 of them?

I thought the standard of umpiring was shocking at times last year but I haven't noticed them at all so far this year.

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Push for fourth umpire
By Caroline Wilson
The Age
April 5, 2005

The AFL could move to a four-umpire system as early as next season, having already trialled an extra field umpire in a recent Richmond-Brisbane Lions practice game.

Jeff Gieschen, the league's director of umpiring, last night confirmed he had recommended further trials take place over next year's pre-season competition and did not rule out the prospect of four field umpires officiating in every AFL game next year.

"That ultimately is up to the commission," Gieschen told The Age. "Every week, we hear that we missed a free kick here or made a wrong decision there and at the moment we are operating with an accuracy rate of 85 per cent.

"If we found an extra umpire lifted that rate to 90 or even 95 per cent, then it's worth pursuing, although clearly there is a cost factor to consider.

"The game has changed so much and become faster and it is demanding a greater level of fitness. It would also extend the careers of experienced umpires.

"You saw the flooding and congestion that took place in some games over the weekend. You have a situation where you have 30 playing around a throw-in and then you need to protect yourself with an umpire at each of the 50-metre lines. An extra set of eyes would be handy."

The move is also being pushed by senior AFL umpires, who agree that an extra umpire would increase decision-making accuracy, relieve the increasing physical pressure on umpires and act as an extra deterrent to illegal tactics.

"It's something I've been looking at for two or three years," Gieschen revealed. "It came to a head with the new rucking interpretations, where you are seeing the two end-zone umpires dragged to the centre square and that leaves us a little vulnerable.

"When you consider that basketball with a 30-metre court uses three umpires and Federer versus Agassi in a game of tennis play in front of something like 12 umpires, you have to wonder that Aussie Rules is played on an oval 180 metres long and 150 metres wide . . . we just think that to keep abreast with all the changes going on in the game it makes sense."

Gieschen, along with assistant umpires' coach Peter Howe, observed the first experiment at the Richmond-Brisbane practice game on March 12 at Optus Oval. Senior Victorian umpires Darren Goldspink, Hayden Kennedy, Stephen McBurney and South Australian Justin Schmitt officiated at the game, which was not captured on film.

"The feedback from all four umpires was very positive," Gieschen said. "It was a hot day as I recall, about 29 degrees, and under those circumstances normally, the three that finished would have ended the match fatigued and stressed. They found that physically it made their job a little easier; it helped to have an umpire on both sides of the stoppages; when the ball was kicked, there was an umpire with the kicker and another where the ball was being directed.

"And their (umpires') stronger presence on the ground acted as a better deterrent to illegal tactics. We want players going for the ball and not the man."

Gieschen's report from last month's experimental practice match, which he admitted was deliberately kept under wraps at the time, was delivered to the AFL's football operations chief Adrian Anderson 10 days ago.

Gieschen said to introduce four umpires on a full-time basis would first require a recommendation from Anderson.

"We already have four umpires at every game, it's just that the fourth at present is an emergency umpire," he said.

"When you think about it, we've gone from one, to two, to three umpires in a relatively short space of time. This is the 12th season since the third umpire was introduced and the ball moves around a lot quicker than it did in 1993."

http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2005/04/04/1112489421085.html?from=storyrhs

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Re: 4 umpies
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2005, 09:39:17 PM »
Maybe if they had to do this they could limit the field umpires to 2 - with 1 patrolling one half of the ground and the other the other.

That would limit the amount of umps on the field of play. Then have 4 boundry umps that can help the 2 main umpires out.

The benefits being 2 umpires on the field of play that make the main decisions and then the 4 boundry umps which have a qtr of the ground each to support these maggots from the opposite view.

So at all times you will have one set of eyes at either side of the contest. and this is where I think the umpires make the most mistakes (when they are blinsided).

Also with the 4 boundry umps they will be better positioned to interpret deliberite out of bounds and last but not least be closer when to ball goe's out allowing for a quicker throw in ie: speeding the game up which is what the afl want. just my thought's

Then again we could go back to 1 umpire 2 boundry no emergency no tv cameras at all angles and go back to the way the game was played in the 70's and 80's - But that aint gunna happen is it  ;)

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Re: 4 umpies
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2005, 05:57:26 PM »
Like the idea CUB  :thumbsup.
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Re: 4 umpies
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2005, 08:08:17 PM »
I think they should seriously look at 4 goal umpires - like they had in the Wizz Fizzer Cup. Not many dubious decisions with the 2 at each end - it also provides wonderful free entertainment the way the signal, move, take tunrs waving their flags  :rollin :rollin

They should also bring in the kick in rule from the Wizz Fizzer about - not having to wait for the flags to be waved. Speeds the game up and seems to counter the problem with flooding to a degree :thumbsup
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Video umpire
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2005, 04:10:09 AM »
Take advantage of the technology: Wallace
Peter Krupka
The Australian
April 13, 2005

RICHMOND coach Terry Wallace has called on the AFL to introduce video umpires after a costly goal error against Hawthorn in its match against Essendon on Sunday.

Wallace said Hawthorn coach Alastair Clarkson, who refused to complain about the call after the game at the MCG, had every right to be angry given the incorrect awarding of a goal to Essendon's Dean Solomon, which effectively gave the Bombers the win.

"I don't think they (the AFL) will change any rules or put anything in place in relation to a video umpire, but I believe they should," Wallace said.

"If you have the ability to get it right, why wouldn't you use that ability? I just can't understand why you wouldn't use it."

Essendon won the match by two points after Solomon was judged to have kicked the ball off the ground over the goal-line following a scramble near the Essendon goal midway through the final quarter.

Hawthorn defender Jonathan Hay and several of his team-mates claimed that Hay had kicked the ball and a television replay confirmed it, meaning it should have been a point to the Bombers.

The AFL admitted an error had been made on Monday, but Wallace said not even the most ardent Essendon fan would have complained if a video replay was used to decide the passage of play.

"I think Alastair Clarkson has an absolute right to be disappointed that a game was decided by a call," Wallace said.

"You could say it happens every game, but this is one you could do something about.

"All I want is the correct decision and right result and that's what most of our supporters want as well."

Meanwhile, Richmond faces its toughest test since its first-round loss to Geelong when it plays Fremantle at the MCG on Sunday.

Captain Kane Johnson is in doubt for the match. Johnson was a late withdrawal from last weekend's match against the Western Bulldogs with a heel injury and will not be part of the club's main training session today.

Wallace will make a final decision on Johnson on Friday.

The coach denied speculation Johnson had a stress fracture.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,12837335%255E36035,00.html

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Re: 4 umpies
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2005, 04:23:19 AM »
I think they should seriously look at 4 goal umpires - like they had in the Wizz Fizzer Cup. Not many dubious decisions with the 2 at each end

Prefer 2 goal umpires per end as well WP. Going to a video umpire would slow the game down especially if the result of the decision is a point. Plus it would be abused by the coaches as a tactic to stop the momentum of the other side. You'd then need something like the "challenge" rule they have in the NFL.



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Re: 4 umpies
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2005, 06:36:26 AM »
Bring in the video ref for the wizz fizz cup :thumbsup

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4 umps to police hands-in-the-back rule
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2007, 04:32:36 AM »
AFL flags four umpires to police hands-in-the-back rule
Jake Niall | May 22, 2007 | The Age

THE AFL has suggested that the contentious hands-in-the back rule would be better umpired with a fourth field umpire.

But AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou also cast doubt on whether a fourth umpire would be introduced in time for the 2008 season.

Demetriou said last night that hands-in-the-back was one of "a few rules" that might be more accurately umpired with an extra field umpire.

"By extension and logic, if you've got an additional umpire at the ground, it's more likely that he'll pick up infringements of any nature," Demetriou said.

"That's probably due to the fact you've got four on the ground that cover more ground and in better position. They'll see probably 25 per cent more than they're seeing at the moment because they're more of them.

"That (hands-in-the-back) is another infringement that there's more likelihood of picking up. I mean, you know, they'll probably pick up more taggers that infringe, they'll probably pick up … things off the ball, retardation of players."

However, Demetriou said that the new interpretation — much criticised by coaches for the inability of umpires to detect infringements consistently — was only one of a few decisions that might accelerate the introduction of a fourth umpire.

The league boss said his "gut feel" was that there would not be a fourth umpire by 2008, though this was still to be decided, and the league had not made a decision.

Demetriou has made it clear that a fourth umpire is certain at some stage in the future because of the game's increased speed, with the AFL still assessing its four-umpire trial.

The initial feedback from umpires has been that the trial was highly successful.

Demetriou said the hands-in-the-back interpretation reinforced the need for the four-umpire trial. "As an extension, now we've got the hand-in-the-back interpretation, that just, you know, probably reinforces why they're doing the trial."

The AFL's general manager of football operations, Adrian Anderson, said the umpires' feedback was that the rule was now easier to adjudicate, but that it was difficult for them to be in the right position to make the correct decision.

"Like any decision, it helps if they're in good position. What the umpires have told us is that the rule makes it easier for them to adjudicate because it's black and white … the umpires think it makes their job easier, but as you say, it's hard for them to always be in the right position.

"Even with four umpires they wouldn't always be in the right position … we've got to debate that before we consider whether we go down that track."

Anderson said the report would have to be closely examined "before we even consider it in home and away".

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/afl-flags-four-umpires-to-police-handsintheback-rule/2007/05/21/1179601330571.html

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Re: 4 umpies
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2008, 10:34:52 PM »
Word is 4 field and 4 boundary umpires will be brought in in the home/away season next year.

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Re: 4 umpies
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2008, 11:21:47 AM »
And 4 different rule interpretations  :-\.
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