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Offline georgies31

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Re: Is something wrong in The Tiger Den?
« Reply #75 on: July 12, 2021, 09:07:41 AM »
The board need to spend $$$$ get some highly rated assistant coaches all we been doing is loosing them and get fitness bloke also at swans gone.

I'm sure the board would love to spend plenty of $$$ in the footy department but there is this pesky little issue called the soft cap that means it is not possible

What do you want to cut?

Hence why club weren't happy about cuts.
We had built up a Footy dept that other clubs could only aspire to have.

Exactly,

People wanted Emma Murray to remain. She has but something else or someone else had to go

Think People are also forgetting the fine from the CCJ/Stack COVID breach last year also impacted on our soft cap. It was another 100k out of our cap

So while other clubs had to cut 3 million or whatever it was our cut was even more...

Let's be honest we have been loosing staff before the fine and covid kicked in I'm not buying that.

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Re: Is something wrong in The Tiger Den?
« Reply #76 on: July 12, 2021, 09:18:35 AM »
People need to chill out and get some perspective. This team is knackered after winning 3/4 flags. An unbelievable achievement. The cliff comes for all great teams.

I’m feeling philosophical about where we are at this morning. Still enjoyed being at the footy yesterday despite the loss. Keen to go this Friday.

It’s all about finding the next gen now. No for me on Cerra. We would have to overpay and he’s not that good. Play kids for the rest of the year, finish as low as possible, hit the draft and get the best pure mid available at our pick (no more flankers). Retire a few champs and give the players a proper rest and preseason this summer.

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Re: Is something wrong in The Tiger Den?
« Reply #77 on: July 12, 2021, 09:35:13 AM »
People need to chill out and get some perspective. This team is knackered after winning 3/4 flags. An unbelievable achievement. The cliff comes for all great teams.

I’m feeling philosophical about where we are at this morning. Still enjoyed being at the footy yesterday despite the loss. Keen to go this Friday.

It’s all about finding the next gen now. No for me on Cerra. We would have to overpay and he’s not that good. Play kids for the rest of the year, finish as low as possible, hit the draft and get the best pure mid available at our pick (no more flankers). Retire a few champs and give the players a proper rest and preseason this summer.

Agree they are playing like they need a break. Maybe the club worked out that 2021 is a lost cause and is now eyeing a low finish this year with a strong draft hand. Especially with Brisbane and Geelong to come in the next two weeks.

Send everyone to get the surgeries done that need them. Play the kids like RCD and Dow right through now.

The players can have September/October off. We go to the draft and the AFL hands us an easier draw for 2022.

Get Hardwick some new assistants and get a new game plan worked out.

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Re: Is something wrong in The Tiger Den?
« Reply #78 on: July 13, 2021, 12:58:03 PM »
Whateley on AFL360:

“They coughed up the game against West Coast getting overrun and we pondered, out of respect and good faith, could they run the table and make a run at it? Well they‘ve lost to the teams that have been in 13th, 16th and 16th in those three weeks since the bye,” AFL 360 co-host Gerard Whateley said.

“If you‘re holding on, you’re holding on to an old idea now. We joked the time of death was declared, it was 6.41 (on Sunday) … for this season.

Richmond’s most recent loss to Collingwood came after Hardwick and vice-captain Jack Riewoldt launched passionate defences of their club’s position.

A fired-up Riewoldt said Richmond was still a “bloody good football side”, declaring: “Good luck if you’re playing against us in the last seven weeks.” Hardwick said Richmond was “still in the hunt” for a fourth premiership in five seasons, saying pundits that were critical of Richmond were “after big headlines”.

Despite the duo’s strong words in the lead up to the game, Whateley said the Tigers were “listlessly overrun by a team who is not a power-scoring team”.

“The words were there. I watched Jack and the ferociousness in his voice and the look in his eye of ‘good luck playing us’ in the way home – and Damien Hardwick, who ridiculed and pilloried the idea and that ‘people were just searching for headlines’. Nope,” Whateley said.

“For the words that you‘re putting forward, the will is no longer there.

“It was telling that Damien Hardwick, in his press conference, stepped away from the front line and spoke of the future and blooding young players.

“The truth will only be told in hindsight as to when he knew, but he knows – like we all know. You can‘t give up on the fight with six (games) to go, but he knows precisely.

“It is dramatic that this team, which has defined the past four years, is staring at missing the finals.”

Source: Foxsports

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Re: Is something wrong in The Tiger Den?
« Reply #79 on: July 13, 2021, 02:29:28 PM »
Leppitsch's view today on SEN:

Leppitsch believes a downturn in form for a successful side is always bound to happen, especially when list depth becomes an issue.

“I feel for them. Their list profile has changed considerably over the last three years,” he added.

“Their depth players leaving like (Oleg) Markov, (Brandon) Ellis, so on and so forth. We see it now. When you see their defence and it’s (Ryan) Garthwaite and (Rhyan) Mansell, it’s just not even close to what you’d picture a Richmond team looking like.

“It’s one of the most important parts of the ground, your back half, because if you’re strong in your back 50 the game is always a chance to be won in my opinion.

“They’ve got too many personnel issues at this point in time. They used to bat down to maybe 26 players, but they probably only bat to 22 now, just, and eight of those are on the sidelines.

“They’ve got their own things in the back ground, and you know what? It’s just life. It’s footy life, it happens to every team.

“You’ve had pick 18 for the last four years, you haven’t had pick one, two or three, it’s not your fault, it’s not like Matt Rowell didn’t want to come to your footy club, so don’t take it personally.

“It’s just what the game does to you.”

Regarding another flag tilt, Leppitsch concluded: “I think they’ve got the best 22 to have a crack at it (again), but the best teams have 26, not 22.

“It’s an interesting time, it’s a difficult time. Not many teams have got it right after the dynasty within a short period of time, it’s very hard to do.”

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/07/13/form-slump-or-end-of-the-road-leppitsch-analyses-tigers-captain-cotchin/

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Re: Is something wrong in The Tiger Den?
« Reply #80 on: July 13, 2021, 04:16:04 PM »
There are many reasons why we are struggling this year, but I do think the "stand" rule has affected us more than most teams. The rule hasn't actually done what the AFL hoped it would do - scoring has actually decreased and it has become a blight on the game as everyone stops to wait for the umpire to set the mark and call 'stand', but it has made it easier for teams to pick their way through our defensive structure by foot, thus controlling the ball and taking away our 1 wood - pressure on the contested ball and carrier.
We have continued to back our players and our 'system' - fair enough, it's been successful, but players like Castagna, Rioli, Aarts, Baker etc have become less of a factor as teams chip out of defence and thus avoid front half pressure from these guys. We just struggle to turn the ball over in the front half, which has been the centrepiece of our premiership-winning game plan.

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Re: Is something wrong in The Tiger Den?
« Reply #81 on: July 13, 2021, 08:17:48 PM »
Well said Foo

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Re: Is something wrong in The Tiger Den?
« Reply #82 on: July 13, 2021, 08:48:40 PM »
In my view the team has become lazy from success. Pure and simple and it starts with our leaders. If they are going to put their hand up and continue to take big money then they should either turn up to play or hang up the boots if the cannot compete or be competitive anymore. 

Thank you for the good times but it's time to go if the desire to win is gone.

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Re: Is something wrong in The Tiger Den?
« Reply #83 on: July 13, 2021, 10:16:14 PM »
Damning stat on Fox Footy tonight. Our pressure rating since round 8 overall and in the forward half is now bottom 2 in the comp.

                                              Rd 1-12    Rd 8-17
Pressure rating                            #7          #17
Forward half pressure rating         #5          #18

No wonder we're playing like a bottom side.

Nick Riewoldt and Garry Lyon both said Richmond need to do an audit on themselves and face the reality of now and admit to themselves we're an ordinary team right now. Rather than keep telling yourself you're a good side based on the past and it's all just going to turnaround by itself. It's not. You have to put in the work.

Nick added that there can be a lag in the realisation of that. You think you're training and doing everything the same as before but in reality you've lost that edge and you're a step behind, a yard off, and are a fraction slower in your decision making.

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Re: Is something wrong in The Tiger Den?
« Reply #84 on: July 16, 2021, 07:53:25 PM »
Our average metres gained has halved over the past month.

             Avg metres gained
R1-13           429                       #1 in the AFL
R14-17         211                       #5 in the AFL

Source: Ch 7.

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Re: Is something wrong in The Tiger Den?
« Reply #85 on: July 17, 2021, 01:07:49 AM »
For me a win like this just goes to show how quick everyone is to overreact. Yeah we looked like dog poo the last few weeks but the core group of players is still there and there is no way they have lost belief just from a few weeks. Not saying we are world beaters this year but the culture and belief is still there and this was a huge win against a top 4 team and we are still missing quality players

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Re: Is something wrong in The Tiger Den?
« Reply #86 on: July 17, 2021, 07:55:11 AM »
Our average metres gained has halved over the past month.

             Avg metres gained
R1-13           429                       #1 in the AFL
R14-17         211                       #5 in the AFL

Source: Ch 7.
Apparently to someone one here metres gained is an overrated stat. :shh  :rollin
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