2016 vs 2023

[the claw]

When we consider Astbury,Grimes Rance, Riewoldt Cotchin Martin Edwards and ive probably missed a few were drafted between 06 and 09 it still took another 8 years to add to that lets face it top end core to win in 2017.
All up 12 years. Things just dont happen over night.We have bled our top end talent dry or  got everything we can out of them and its not just the top end talent.
Trouble is there is  little top end talent in place or coming thru, far  less than when Hardwick had his first season in 2010 if you concede our 30 yr olds are way past their best and wont be around much longer.
Truth is we may well do, no are doing  what too many clubs do coming of a succesful period  and thats play the older blokes over kids.
Hang on too long and you just make it worse. The lessons are there for all to see especially those footy administrators who are paid big bucks to know when its the right time.

[Francois Jackson]

Show me the evolution of the team from 2017 to last week. Fair dinkum it has been minimal.Thats taking into account we won three flags in that time.

We just dont have the quality and the bottom line is far too few kids have come thru.

The 24 thru say 28 year olds who should be stepping up and taking over are not good enough because they simply remain role players who in a lot of instances have roles that are now redundant.

There is a massive amount of work that needs doing we lack quality and depth in most areas.
Finding a core group of good enough talent and getting them as a group to 80 100 games does not happen in one or two seasons even with astute good f/a and trade aquisitions.
Fair dinkum we are looking down the barrel of at least 5 yrs more like 7 and thats if we get most things right. To think other wise is imo being naieve.

Lets just bite the bullett and get on with the rebuild. the sooner we are honest with where we are at and how long it MAY  take the better off we will be and the  sooner we will get there.

Its when clubs have unrealistic expectations on how long it may take that short cuts happen usually detrimental to where your trying to get to.

Imo we have already wasted three seasons simply because we could not be honest and reralistic.
To me it seems its time to do the hard yards again and cop the pain that comes with it.

We're looking at 5-8 years of mediocrity imo.

Unless we trade into the draft like Geelong it will be 2+ years by the time we start scoring good draft picks and then 5+ for them to hit their straps if we nail the picks

 

im a bit more bullish as we have a great defensive line coming through so I give us 5 years max.

either way we have got lean times ahead that is for sure.

[Andyy]

Show me the evolution of the team from 2017 to last week. Fair dinkum it has been minimal.Thats taking into account we won three flags in that time.

We just dont have the quality and the bottom line is far too few kids have come thru.

The 24 thru say 28 year olds who should be stepping up and taking over are not good enough because they simply remain role players who in a lot of instances have roles that are now redundant.

There is a massive amount of work that needs doing we lack quality and depth in most areas.
Finding a core group of good enough talent and getting them as a group to 80 100 games does not happen in one or two seasons even with astute good f/a and trade aquisitions.
Fair dinkum we are looking down the barrel of at least 5 yrs more like 7 and thats if we get most things right. To think other wise is imo being naieve.

Lets just bite the bullett and get on with the rebuild. the sooner we are honest with where we are at and how long it MAY  take the better off we will be and the  sooner we will get there.

Its when clubs have unrealistic expectations on how long it may take that short cuts happen usually detrimental to where your trying to get to.

Imo we have already wasted three seasons simply because we could not be honest and reralistic.
To me it seems its time to do the hard yards again and cop the pain that comes with it.

We're looking at 5-8 years of mediocrity imo.

Unless we trade into the draft like Geelong it will be 2+ years by the time we start scoring good draft picks and then 5+ for them to hit their straps if we nail the picks

 

im a bit more bullish as we have a great defensive line coming through so I give us 5 years max.

either way we have got lean times ahead that is for sure.

How long do you think dynasty success will sustain you?

I hate losing but generally am quite relaxed and sanguine about it all tbh.

[Francois Jackson]

Show me the evolution of the team from 2017 to last week. Fair dinkum it has been minimal.Thats taking into account we won three flags in that time.

We just dont have the quality and the bottom line is far too few kids have come thru.

The 24 thru say 28 year olds who should be stepping up and taking over are not good enough because they simply remain role players who in a lot of instances have roles that are now redundant.

There is a massive amount of work that needs doing we lack quality and depth in most areas.
Finding a core group of good enough talent and getting them as a group to 80 100 games does not happen in one or two seasons even with astute good f/a and trade aquisitions.
Fair dinkum we are looking down the barrel of at least 5 yrs more like 7 and thats if we get most things right. To think other wise is imo being naieve.

Lets just bite the bullett and get on with the rebuild. the sooner we are honest with where we are at and how long it MAY  take the better off we will be and the  sooner we will get there.

Its when clubs have unrealistic expectations on how long it may take that short cuts happen usually detrimental to where your trying to get to.

Imo we have already wasted three seasons simply because we could not be honest and reralistic.
To me it seems its time to do the hard yards again and cop the pain that comes with it.

We're looking at 5-8 years of mediocrity imo.

Unless we trade into the draft like Geelong it will be 2+ years by the time we start scoring good draft picks and then 5+ for them to hit their straps if we nail the picks

 

im a bit more bullish as we have a great defensive line coming through so I give us 5 years max.

either way we have got lean times ahead that is for sure.

How long do you think dynasty success will sustain you?

I hate losing but generally am quite relaxed and sanguine about it all tbh.

3 years. I think realistically we should hope for a hawks turnaround, but i have us marginally better than them after 3 years when compared.

As long as we continue to play the kids (good ones not the duds) and make changes where i think we need to. Footy department needs a overhaul, and we now have the money with Dimma gone. Teague should go and be replaced with Grigg, Hodgy, Leppa. Ideally 2 of those.

We have let our guard slip IMO, and our recruiting has been absolutely rubbish with the likes of Dow, Brown. Aaron Fiora types etc

Our defence is sound IMO, but tough decisions need to be made and i think Broad may be one of those

[Diocletian]

Might want to at least wait until you actually see Brown play for more than 5 minutes before writing him off.....

[Francois Jackson]

well plenty on here wrote samson off after 1 game and cumbo not many more minutes than that.