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Hip and shoulder to stay
Jon Ralph
February 04, 2007 12:00am
Sunday Herald Sun

THE AFL has declared the hip and shoulder will remain part of football, despite new rules cracking down on heavy tackles and head-high contact.

AFL football operations manager Adrian Anderson yesterday defended the controversial push-in-the-back rule -- pilloried by AFL coaches Mick Malthouse and Paul Roos -- as nothing more than returning marking contests to a fair go for all players.

Despite concerns recent rule changes had overly sanitised the game, Anderson said the AFL laws committee was determined to retain the best aspects of football.

"There is nothing wrong with a legitimate bump or a legitimate hip and shoulder. That is here to stay," he said. "I expect players will adapt. They are extremely professional and . . . they understand the rationale."

New rules prevent players tackling from front-on while an opponent is over the ball, while players can no longer push with their hands in marking contests or drive players into the ground while pinning their arms.

Malthouse has described the push-in-the-back rule as "bloody ridiculous" and Richmond full-forward Matthew Richardson also protested about the changed interpretation yesterday. But the AFL doesn't see it that way.

"The fact that we saw some of the best football ever in last year's Grand Final is a great tribute to the AFL laws committee and their determination to make sure our game retains its unique qualities," Anderson said.

"If the laws committee hadn't taken vigilant action the game would be a significantly worse spectacle and the research shows there would be more injuries."

This year the flashpoint has been the push-in-the-back rule, which prevents players using hands in marking contests.

Most have applauded the AFL's determination to minimise neck injuries. This year's only rule change sees players who tackle another head-on penalised, while those who bump head-on with a degree of force referred to the tribunal.

While it is a big change for players accustomed to tackling first and asking questions later, Anderson believes players will acclimatise.

"Blake Caracella's injury is just one example of the dangers that can face players," Anderson said.

"There is nothing wrong with a legitimate bump or a legitimate hip-and-shoulder. That is here to stay. I expect players will adapt. They understand the rationale for this rule and deep down they like to see themselves and other players protected from this type of injury."

Anderson said the AFL would trial rules in the NAB Cup with studies regarding stoppage crowding and interchange rotations.

In this year's pre-season competition players must kick the ball 20m for a mark, while the AFL will tinker to prevent flooding by eliminating marks in the back half from balls kicked backwards.

"We will study whether the 20m distance for a mark has a material affect on long kicking and contested marking," Anderson said.

"The use of the interchange and its effect is something we will continue to monitor and investigate."

http://www.news.com.au/sundayheraldsun/story/0,21985,21168059-11088,00.html

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"Come on, are we playing netball out there?" - Glenn Archer
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2007, 03:52:12 AM »
Archer isn't a happy Roo. Like when Simmo went through him last year  ;D.

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KANGAROOS strongman Glenn Archer won't watch much football this year because he is livid with the interpretation changes that he says are wrecking the game.

"Come on, are we playing netball out there? Because that's exactly what it's turning into," Archer said yesterday.

"It is just so frustrating that a defender cannot lay a hand on an opponent, and I shake my head that we are turning our game into a non-contact sport.

"Common sense must prevail, and frankly I have lost interest in watching footy as the contest is being lost."

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21199553-11088,00.html

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Flinging opponents to the ground to become a reportable offence
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2007, 02:51:07 AM »
New push rules will decide matches
13 February 2007   
Herald-Sun
Michael Stevens

IN ROUND 9 last year, Magpie Anthony Rocca flung Robert Murphy to the ground, ending the young Dog's season with a knee injury. There was no free kick and no report.

Under new rule interpretations this year, however, Rocca would most likely be fronting the tribunal.

And Nathan Buckley's spectacular match-saving mark against Port Adelaide in Round 20 last year would also have been outlawed under this season's changes.

Both incidents would have come under much closer scrutiny under several new rule interpretations this season, in the AFL's attempt to have more contested football, continuous play and more high marking.

Buckley would have been penalised for putting his hands on the back of opponent Troy Chaplin to propel himself into the air and mark.

Umpires chief Jeff Gieschen said yesterday that the Rocca sling, which saw Murphy need a knee reconstruction, "would have been looked at" by the match review panel.

While the stricter policing of hands in the back in marking contests has drawn the most flak, the only new rule brought in this season was to protect players from being bumped forcibly from front-on when their head was over the ball.

Gieschen said this was introduced after concern by the AFL Medical Officers' Association that any hits to the top of the head were conducive to spinal injury.

The other stricter interpretations relate to rules already in place.

They include:

TACKLING after the ball has spilled free.

COMING off the centre square to take out an opponent.

HANDS in the back.

Gieschen said the essence of the new interpretations were to protect the players and provide a safer work environment.

When a player had his head over the ball it was up to the tackling player to have a duty of care to effect a legal tackle or bump from the side.

"We don't want to stop players from being bumped, that's part of the game, but what we do want to stop is players with their head over the ball being bumped from the front," Gieschen said.

Driving a player into the ground shoulder or head-first after the ball has spilled free will be heavily scrutinised.

Whereas umpires in the past would have merely paid a free kick downfield, now they will be instructed to report players, and heavy tribunal penalties will apply.

"It's a tough game as it is . . . the speed of the game and the amount of physical contact these days is unbelievable . . . but to be injuring players and putting players out for a few weeks with a broken collarbone outside the spirit of the game, is just not on," Gieschen said.

Collingwood's Brodie Holland copped a six-match suspension in last year's elimination final for coming off the centre square to bump Brent Montgomery.

Similar incidents will not be tolerated this year.

"If at the first bounce of a Grand Final someone comes off the line and takes out Chris Judd or Ben Cousins or Brett Kirk or Jude Bolton, and he's off for the rest of the game, and all he was doing was watching where the ball was going to land . . . I'm not sure whether our game needs that," Gieschen said.

"The AFL is very strong on that. Players can come off the line and they can come in and meet players and they can come in and go for the ball as hard as they like.

"But where you're coming in to clean up an unsuspecting player . . ."

On the issue of hands in the back, Gieschen said this year's stricter interpretation of an existing rule would mean zero tolerance in marking contests.

"What you can do is use your forearm, your shoulder or your chest to hold an opponent out," he said.

Gieschen said he initially felt the hands in the back interpretation should have been trialled in the NAB Cup pre-season competition.

But after having briefed the clubs, he now felt the interpretation would be embraced because it would stop inconsistent umpiring decisions.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,21216035^20322,00.html

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Re: Hip and shoulder to stay / Richo doesn't like new push in the back rule
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2007, 08:42:45 AM »
Why does the AFL feel it has to meddle with the rules all the time?  They are wrecking the game.

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AFL delivers bump warning (afl site)
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2007, 04:15:34 PM »
More rule changes.....

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AFL delivers bump warning
12:14:04 PM Fri 16 February, 2007
Paul Gough
Sportal for afl.com.au
Adrian Anderson

Deliver a hip and shoulder bump properly or face the consequences.

Front-on bumps to a player when he has his head over the ball are now banned and will be subject to a report this season, with the punishments ranging from 125 points or a one match suspension for a level one offence up to 750 points or a seven game ban for a level five offence when such contact is severe.

And even those hip and shoulder bumps which are not delivered front-on to the head but which cause injury to a player's head or neck could be subject to a report of rough conduct this season unless the match review panel (MRP) rules that the player committing the bump did not have any other way of contesting the ball or tackling or shepherding his opponent in a reasonable manner.

In determining whether a player in those circumstances should be reported the MRP will consider:

*Whether the degree of force applied by the person bumping was excessive.

*Whether the player being bumped was actively involved in the passage of play.

*The distance the player applying the bump ran to make contact.

*Whether the player being bumped was in a position to protect himself.

*Whether an elbow was part of the contact.

*Whether the player bumping jumps or leaves the ground to bump.

The AFL has also increased the points tally for rough conduct and charging offences with a level one offence to now attract 125 points and a level five offence 550 points while front-on bumps to the head, above level one offences, will attract stiffer punishments.

Other tribunal changes announced on Friday will see any contact to a player's groin met with stiffer punishments with such cases to now carry the same points tally as contact to the head.

The minimum points for a level one offence has also been increased from 75 points to 80 to ensure a player cannot avoid a suspension for two level one offences in the one year unless he has a five year clean record.

And all charges of attempting to strike, kick or trip will no longer be subject to a suspension (unless the player also has a prior record) with all such offences to be given 80 points.

Full article at: http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=315189

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Re: Hip and shoulder to stay / Richo doesn't like new push in the back rule
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2007, 06:58:21 PM »
No more push in the back as a player goes for a mark means end of speccies  :banghead

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Re: Hip and shoulder to stay / Richo doesn't like new push in the back rule
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2007, 07:53:19 PM »
Why doesn't the AFL just make the game like soccer :banghead :banghead

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Re: Hip and shoulder to stay / Richo doesn't like new push in the back rule
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2007, 08:51:26 PM »
I overheard some umps talking to a photographer today, the umps don't like the new push in the back rule either  :banghead
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