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Rules destroys marking spectacle (The Age)
« on: April 03, 2008, 02:35:23 AM »
A fitting article after last weekend on the rules and umpiring.....

Rules destroys marking spectacle
Richard Hinds | April 3, 2008 | The Age

IT IS Australian football's signature moment. One that distinguishes it from rival codes.

The ball flies high and two players, suddenly isolated on a vast arena, are engaged in a contest that tests size, power, athleticism and willpower.

Sometimes the forward will ascend with balletic grace and take the mark. Sometimes the defender will arrive with split-second timing and knock the ball from his grasp.

The result was once proclaimed by the roar of the crowd. Now, too often, there is only that anticlimactic groan that follows an umpire's intervention and a perplexing postscript during which confused players wait to find out who infringed and why.

The problem is frustratingly obvious. In trying to make marking contests "fairer", the game's lawmakers have instead neutered them.

Believing that outlawing marginal and incidental contact would encourage more high-marking, they have compelled umpires to pay free kicks for infringements that have no or little influence on the outcome of a one-on- one battle and devalued — at least in a sporting sense — the goals that result.

Umpires would once monitor marking contests with one general thought — ensuring every player had a reasonable chance to mark or spoil. Now their minds spin like roulette wheels before the marble lands in one of the myriad rules and interpretations.

Did he hold? Did he chop the arms? Was there high contact? Did he have hands in the back? Did he push? Did he make contact more than five metres from the ball? Was there any shepherding? Did he — courtesy of St Kilda's attempt to win favours for Nick Riewoldt — "tunnel"?

With so many options to choose from, and two big bodies colliding, it is often not a matter of whether a free kick will be paid but which one.

Sometimes it seems umpires blow the whistle reflexively at the sight of physical contact and justify the decision later. That is not hard to do.

The frustration of players and coaches is obvious — particularly those who believe the failed rules are a consequence of isolating the clubs from the lawmaking process. But if the AFL chooses to ignore those with the most intimate knowledge of the game, then it should at least cock an ear to the crowd. Listen to the fans who would once watch marking contests with a sense of excitement and now do so now with barely disguised dread that the slightest contact by a defender will result in a potentially crucial free kick.

It is a serious blight on an otherwise vibrant game. One which, despite dated knee-jerk attacks on flooding and so-called "ugly football", has found a good balance.

A game in which coaches are using constant bench rotations to ensure players can maintain high levels of pace and skill for longer than ever.

The speed and precision with which the ball is now propelled between the 50-metre arcs can provide the most stimulating foreplay. But too often it ends with the anticlimax of the umpire's whistle.

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/marking-spectacle-destroyed/2008/04/02/1206851012513.html

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Re: Rules destroys marking spectacle (The Age)
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2008, 12:13:52 PM »
The rules are killing the game it will turn supporters away & also put more preasure on umpires & no-one will want to be a umpire
Sack that stupid Geishien anyway & that Anderson prick at the AFL

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Re: Rules destroys marking spectacle (The Age)
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2008, 03:04:54 PM »
"Listen to the fans" Yeah like thats going to happen  ::) The AFL and their new rules are ruining the game and they are to stupid/stubborn to do anything about it :banghead

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Re: Rules destroys marking spectacle (The Age)
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2008, 10:28:02 PM »
"Listen to the fans" Yeah like thats going to happen  ::) The AFL and their new rules are ruining the game and they are to stupid/stubborn to do anything about it :banghead

To change the rules now would be an admittance from AD & AA that they were wrong and we were right. FFS thse blokes can't be that magnanamous.

They have turned the game into an incidental contact sport to appease women in order to get more gals through the tournstiles and to encourage mums to let their kids play, rather than keep the ideals and traditions of the game in tact which include AFL being a contact sport. The sooner these jokers go the better.

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Re: Rules destroys marking spectacle (The Age)
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2008, 01:18:08 PM »
It's the new interpretations of old rules that drive you nuts too. Sunday's game proved once again how farcical the "hands in the back" rule is. I have no probs with what Shannon Grant did but if there's a new rule or interpretation then what's the point of having it if it's not enforced or only enforced now and then because the umps can't get into position to see it and need to guess ::). As it says in that article the whole point of the rules is to allow opponents in a contest to have a fair go at the ball; not pay ticky touchwood frees based on incidental contact. AA, Geisch and his rules committee are overcomplicating a simple game and making it a nightmare for the umpires. They're too busy watching for all these irrelevant incidental contacts that they missed Moore's clear mark  :banghead.
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Re: Rules destroys marking spectacle (The Age)
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2008, 02:00:23 PM »
l reckon the umpires give alot of freekicks so they dont have to bounce the ball
the missed marks & freekicks over the first 2 rounds were shocking
& oh stuff my old neighbour in his late 70's just smashed his 4WD into his garage l better go check him

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Re: Rules destroys marking spectacle (The Age)
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2008, 02:04:08 PM »
u look at soccer. how many rule changes have they had. almost none. a few here and there.

why the f... do we have to fiddle around and change stuff around.

fat greek boy demetriou and his sidekick anderson are pathetic.  they will never admit they got anything wrong and so we r stuck with any changes they feel is right.
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Re: Rules destroys marking spectacle (The Age)
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2008, 02:52:00 PM »
It's the new interpretations of old rules that drive you nuts too. Sunday's game proved once again how farcical the "hands in the back" rule is. I have no probs with what Shannon Grant did but if there's a new rule or interpretation then what's the point of having it if it's not enforced or only enforced now and then because the umps can't get into position to see it and need to guess ::). As it says in that article the whole point of the rules is to allow opponents in a contest to have a fair go at the ball; not pay ticky touchwood frees based on incidental contact. AA, Geisch and his rules committee are overcomplicating a simple game and making it a nightmare for the umpires. They're too busy watching for all these irrelevant incidental contacts that they missed Moore's clear mark  :banghead.

The rule is "push in the back".  You cant push in the back with anything (shoulder, forearm, knee, hands, head or ony other body part). Now with this stupid hands in the back rule comming into play they seem to have changed it to "only push the back with a hands". Shouldering sombody in the back, using the forearm, etc sems to be OK. Well is not and the dam TV idiots seem to have forgotten that too. The tiggy toughwood hands in the back" and "over the shoulder ones" they pay yet they let real pushes go just becasue they are not using hands, its crazy stuff.

PS. Please correct me if I am wrong about this rule now days as I have not read the rule book in bloody long time (If ever).
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Re: Rules destroys marking spectacle (The Age)
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2008, 03:10:09 PM »
Thing with O/S sports, they are wordwide so any new rules have to pass though many criterea and be approved by all countries playing them. Think Soccer has something like 3 changes in 60 years or thereabouts.

Here we have 7 blokes on a panel and what they say goes. That's crap, then the umpires have to interpret.

We need to set up a system where any rule changes have to go through a panel much larger than what is currently used.

Start with All AFL Coaches, All umpires, All AFL Captains that should get us to a platform of 60 odd and nothing goes through unless majority agrees. At least a start.

I am a diehard footy fan, and I am dying hard ....
You can make a case for all decesion's the umpys make based on the rules, it is the interpretation and consistency that gets me.

Said it before and say it again - 'DONT TRY AND INTERPRET THE FN THING, IF IT IS BLATANTLY THERE PAY IT OTHERWISE JAM YOUR WHISTLE UP WHERE THE SUN DONT SHINE AND LET IT GO'.

I could live a lot better with it like that.


AFL keeps talkin numbers schmumbers , 'that is the bottom line' I spose.

But I know a lot of diehard footy fans (all teams) that have just had a gutful of all these rule nazis and are leaving and getting put off in droves.

If it wasn't for the Tiges I would be quite happy to F the AFL off and get a fix locally.








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Re: Rules destroys marking spectacle (The Age)
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2008, 03:19:59 PM »
the afl always come back to numbers through the gates but they gotta remember population has also grown so thats the reason right there.

i just hope one day i really do that a grand final is decided through one of these pathetic rule changes.

imagine that 3 points in it, 5 seconds left and they give a crap free kick right in front that decides a gf.

that may be the only way they will understand to leave the game alone


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Re: Rules destroys marking spectacle (The Age)
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2008, 08:23:42 PM »
l reckon the umpires give alot of freekicks so they dont have to bounce the ball
the missed marks & freekicks over the first 2 rounds were shocking
& oh eff my old neighbour in his late 70's just smashed his 4WD into his garage l better go check him

when l cut above short my old neighbour drove into his garage without opening the door  :-\ his ok but a huge error on his part & alot of damage to his garage
l advised him that it might be time for him to give driving away  :( or stop driving his big old 1986 landcruiser its too big for him since his health failed him & he had a major operation which nearly killed him. l'm worried about it

anyway the umpires as l was saying in the first 2 rounds missed Richmond marks at important stages of the games & they were marks if not a free kick to Richo which 99% of the time is paid a freekick & its bloody costly,  but l have also noticed teams playing against us get rubbish 50 metre penalties but we dont get some of the same
the holding the ball decision really stumps me when a player is grabbed as soon as he contacts the ball & everyone falls to the ground & more jump on the stack its hailed holding the ball.  WTF where is the chance to knock it out you got 300kg of players on top of you
they just dont like bouncing the ball anymore so to keep the game flowing which it angers the spectators & the players are dumbfounded like me  ;D

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Re: Rules destroys marking spectacle (The Age)
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2008, 09:08:13 PM »
l reckon the umpires give alot of freekicks so they dont have to bounce the ball
the missed marks & freekicks over the first 2 rounds were shocking
& oh eff my old neighbour in his late 70's just smashed his 4WD into his garage l better go check him

when l cut above short my old neighbour drove into his garage without opening the door  :-\ his ok but a huge error on his part & alot of damage to his garage
l advised him that it might be time for him to give driving away  :( or stop driving his big old 1986 landcruiser its too big for him since his health failed him & he had a major operation which nearly killed him. l'm worried about it
Hope he's insured or else your new law will see him with a crushed cruiser!  :o

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Re: Rules destroys marking spectacle (The Age)
« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2008, 02:22:18 AM »
the holding the ball decision really stumps me when a player is grabbed as soon as he contacts the ball & everyone falls to the ground & more jump on the stack its hailed holding the ball.  WTF where is the chance to knock it out you got 300kg of players on top of you
I don't have a problem if the umps are hot on holding the ball (which is what it use to be - watch the 1980 GF for instance) as long as they are consistent (which of course they often aren't  :-\ ). You are also now not allowed to dive on the ball to force a stoppage. If you do dive on the ball then the onus is on you to knock it out. If you can't even if it's impossible to do so with 300kg of players on top then bad luck the interpretation says you're gone. What I don't like about the new interpretation is players can illegally disposal of the ball in a tackle and the ump will call out play on and say the ball was knocked out in the tackle. A very grey area. Likewise modern players knowing to buckle at the knees the instant they are tackled from behind so they get a free for push in the back. 25 years ago it was simply holding the ball as soon as the tackle was laid.

Your right TM about less ball-ups but that's more a directive from "upstairs". Less stoppages equals more flowing continuous footy.
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Re: Rules destroys marking spectacle (The Age)
« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2008, 09:34:11 AM »
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They have turned the game into an incidental contact sport to appease women in order to get more gals through the tournstiles and to encourage mums to let their kids play, rather than keep the ideals and traditions of the game in tact which include AFL being a contact sport. The sooner these jokers go the better.

Agree with everything but the "appease the women" and
"encourage mums to let their kids play", most of us women are just as happy to see a hard game of footy as the fellas are,  and also dont have a problem if our sons want to play. I think its all part of the cottonwool generation society is raising and how different it is today than when we were growing up ie: soft playgrounds and plastic equipment, bike helmets, rules and regs everywhere, anything to ward off a law suit ::)