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In defence of Chris Hyde (Herald Sun)
« on: June 20, 2008, 10:42:58 AM »
In defence of Chris Hyde
 
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Friday, June 20, 2008 at 01:23am

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/afl/fanforce/index.php/heraldsun/comments/in_defence_of_chris_hyde

Richmond sprung a selection surprise tonight by not dropping Chris Hyde.

Terry Wallace and the match committee ignored the opinion of pretty much every Richmond supporter by leaving Hyde in the team; according to general supporter talk and any internet forum you care to visit, Hyde is G.A.W.N. But yet somehow he stays in the 22.

I have been among the clamouring hordes calling for Hyde to be dropped. In fact, I was at it again just a few days ago.

But since then I’ve had a rethink. Maybe Hyde isn’t so bad.

I didn’t come to this conclusion entirely on my own, it was prompted by a discussion at Big Footy – check out the whole thing here http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=455465 - and I have to credit Top_4_Tiger for this little story that sheds some light on the guy in No.31:

“During the pre-season it was said that Chris Hyde gathered the group together and gave a great speech that improved team morale and work ethic on the track. Apparently after a few slack weeks by the group, it was Hyde who fired up the boys declaring he was sick and tired of being crap, he hated losing all the time and wanted everyone to give their ALL every session to give them every chance to be winners this year.”

Top_4_Tiger goes on to add: “And now he’s run 15kms for us tonight and everyone loudly celebrates his failure to make an impact. I’m suggesting that sometimes you don’t always know everything that happens inside a club and maybe we should all aim for a little more class in our posts, myself included.”

Of course, giving a little inspirational speech doesn’t automatically make you a good player, but it did warm my little Tiger heart a bit because that is exactly how I feel! It’s nice to know some of the players feel the same way.

Every week we say all we want is the players to try their guts out for the yellow and black, and this is a guy who does that (we should never have questioned that really after he managed to break his skull a couple of times putting his body on the line for the team).

Hyde is no superstar. He has fought to get the most out of himself and he deserves credit for that. Still, it doesn’t necessarily make him part of our best team. However, every team can’t contain 22 superstars – even Geelong (Max Rooke, Mark Blake). It all comes down to team balance (the right mix of youth and experience, talls and smalls, inside and outside players) and players having a role in the team, and Hyde has had a very clear one this year: stopping the opposition’s best midfielder.

It hasn’t always worked – he would probably prefer to forget his games against Gary Ablett and Adam Goodes. But he has done his job more often than not, effectively cutting Chance Bateman, Leigh Montagna, Brent Stanton and last week Brad Green out of games. He was clearly brought into the team to perform that job, and he did it. That’s why he’s still there.

Well, actually, he would probably be back at Coburg if there was no suitable match-up in the Port Adelaide line-up. But as it happens there is an ideal candidate: Shaun Burgoyne.

Burgoyne is the Power’s spark, last week Cameron Ling took him to the cleaners and Port was a rabble. Burgoyne is a running player which suits Hyde, although he will have to watch him at stoppages because he is very good there as well.

Hyde should watch tapes of Ling, not just to see how he shut down Burgoyne but to watch why Ling is such a good player – All-Australian as a tagger. His primary focus is beating his opponent, but he gets plenty of the ball and hurts the opposition when he has it. I don’t expect Hyde to start racking up 25 touches a week – and, let’s face it, he doesn’t play in the Geelong midfield – but there are similarities, apart from both being left-footers.

Hyde is one of the best users of the ball in the Richmond side – his disposal efficiency is 80% for the year; against the Kangaroos he had 16 touches and hit the target with all but one of them. He is also pretty handy in front of goal with 7.2 for the season. The past few weeks he has had only single-figure disposal tallies, if he can up those numbers and keep Burgoyne in check he might finally silence some of the critics.

In other news from the selection table, Dean Polo is back – I originally called for him to get a game at Hyde’s expense, but instead Daniel Jackson is out with a leg injury of some sort. A couple of years ago Polo really looked a player, but he treaded water last year before wrecking his shoulder. I hope he can find some of the form that saw him drafted at No.20 in 2004.

Also in is Cleve Hughes, in a logical swap with Jay Schulz. Schulz looked better up forward last week, but couldn’t kick to save himself. Cleve has kicked 11 goals in the past two weeks at Coburg and deserves a chance to show if he can cut it on the big stage.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Terry Wallace asks all the players to sign the ball before the bounce on Saturday. This is our crunch game.

It’s the difference between spending the next nine weeks trying to win every game and hope to sneak into September, or just blooding the kids and looking at who we can get with a draft pick midway through the first round.

Eat em alive!

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Re: In defence of Chris Hyde (Herald Sun)
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2008, 11:23:47 AM »
Thanks for posting a very well written artice RROFO. I agree. Not every player can be a superstar to the supporters eye. I for one know that if Hydey has the ball inside the 50 arc, its pretty close to certain that its going to go through for a major. He very rarely misses. I feel he's caught out for speed on the likes of Ablett and Goodes but on Green last game who is a tad less mobile, I felt he shut him down pretty well. Lets face it, there is a pretty long queue of taggers out there who this season have been made to look very ordinary by Ablett & Goodes. I for one like Hyde and his passion for the club. If you watch him more closely on the field you will see that he is an excellent communicator and motivator of the team. He is one of the fittest players in the club and is an accurate kick, the only thing for me that lets him down at times is his leg speed and agility.

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Re: In defence of Chris Hyde (Herald Sun)
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2008, 12:05:45 PM »
As I have said before, forums in general seem to focus much more on the negatives than the positives and this is also much easier to do when a club is down.

Allways had time for Chris, may not be the most gifted footy player but ala Kingy every club needs a goer and clubman like this. Not as bad as some like to make out imo Go Hydey

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Re: In defence of Chris Hyde (Herald Sun)
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2008, 01:09:58 PM »
Oh my. The Hun quoting bigfooty again.

Hyde is rubbish.

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Re: In defence of Chris Hyde (Herald Sun)
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2008, 01:18:33 PM »
Hydy is a battler and has performed his role as a tagger admirably this year. Yes he got beaten by Gas and Goodes but as RROFO correctly stated, many career taggers have had their bollacks handed to them by these guys over the journey.

I'm actually very happy with this weeks Ins and Outs. Schulz was poor as a forward last week and seems to have (only temporarily hopefully) lost his kicking boot. Maybe he has been playing as a backman so long that he has forgotten how to do his original role?  :P

Jackson (leg) is an interesting ommission. Is he injuried or is it just a nice way of saying he is ommitted?

I would love to see Polo find some form this week and force his way into the regulars. He had such a terrific opening game it would be a shame if that was the best of him after one game. He needs to find the ball this week.

Hughes has well and truly earned his spot. He kicked five in a losing team which is the best indicator of form rather than five in a rampaging line up. In every game I have seen him play in at AFL level he always seems nervous and unsure. He needs to believe in himself and beat his defender. I have been waiting for a few years for a breakout game from this fellow and we desperately need some big forwards.

Shaping as a big week for the year and our future.... :gotigers

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Re: In defence of Chris Hyde (Herald Sun)
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2008, 01:45:59 PM »
Playing Hyde is accepting mediocrity
I'd rather play Collins or Connors on Gary Ablett Junior and have GAJ get 40 disposals on them rather than play Hyde on him and let him get 30 odd.
Hyde is a known quantity, Collins & Connors could learn plenty from playing on someone of that quality

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Re: In defence of Chris Hyde (Herald Sun)
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2008, 03:22:33 PM »
Playing Hyde is accepting mediocrity
I'd rather play Collins or Connors on Gary Ablett Junior and have GAJ get 40 disposals on them rather than play Hyde on him and let him get 30 odd.
Hyde is a known quantity, Collins & Connors could learn plenty from playing on someone of that quality

Ohhh come on.....If Collins was on Green Last week we probably would have lost. Collins is a flyweight with plenty of time to mature. Hyde is a bigger bodied genuine tagger who has already kicked 7 goals this season and can deliver the ball by foot. Apart from Goodes and Ablett, he has accounted for himself pretty well. Thank god some of us here aren't selectors.  ::)

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Re: In defence of Chris Hyde (Herald Sun)
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2008, 04:11:49 PM »
Captaincy material that speech ....



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Re: In defence of Chris Hyde (Herald Sun)
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2008, 05:48:13 PM »
Playing Hyde is accepting mediocrity
I'd rather play Collins or Connors on Gary Ablett Junior and have GAJ get 40 disposals on them rather than play Hyde on him and let him get 30 odd.
Hyde is a known quantity, Collins & Connors could learn plenty from playing on someone of that quality

Ohhh come on.....If Collins was on Green Last week we probably would have lost. Collins is a flyweight with plenty of time to mature. Hyde is a bigger bodied genuine tagger who has already kicked 7 goals this season and can deliver the ball by foot. Apart from Goodes and Ablett, he has accounted for himself pretty well. Thank god some of us here aren't selectors.  ::)
Rubbish, Green was hardly the difference in a 4 goal margin. He's a good player, but only in the eyes of Melbourne supporters, he's no star. Even if we had lost, at least it would have been putting games into the kids and preparing for the future.

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Re: In defence of Chris Hyde (Herald Sun)
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2008, 06:02:57 PM »
Playing Hyde is accepting mediocrity
I'd rather play Collins or Connors on Gary Ablett Junior and have GAJ get 40 disposals on them rather than play Hyde on him and let him get 30 odd.
Hyde is a known quantity, Collins & Connors could learn plenty from playing on someone of that quality

Totally agree and I ask this question. What is more beneficial.
a) To play the kids for the sake of the long term future and to get games experience into them. That way we can ascertain whether the youth can cut it at this level and if they can get the games into them even if initially the team loses as Tiga made reference too had a kid of the ilk of Collins Connors or whoever played and if they can't cut it we can at least prepare for this and attempt to recruit someone who can cut and remember stick to the thread no reference to be made abt Wallace abilities to coach or Miller and any othe recruiters abilities to find the necessary talent that we need or......................

b) Play the tried and untrusted old folks who have been in the system won't improve any further as they have already reached their optimum level of output hence they won't get any better and won't lead us to any glory despite they may have the odd good game here or there added with a few nice things somewhere along the way in a handful of games but certainly not enought to change a game. Therefore these blokes are merely on an AFL list as an insurance policy for reasons in case another player gets injured or one of the kids is injured or neds a break from the rigors and tempo of the top level to reassess their personal goals. Yet these old folks will struggle against the more skilled teams and will be horribly exposed yet against more poorer skilled teams they can be perceived as being contributors.
In my opinion Hyde's continual selection is keeping a kid(s) out of the team that could possibly end up being a much better player than Hyde who is clogging up a team list and won't get any better who is virtually playing his last handful of merely academic games.

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Re: In defence of Chris Hyde (Herald Sun)
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2008, 06:46:46 PM »
Oh my. The Hun quoting bigfooty again.

Hyde is rubbish.

hyde is a great bloke , YOU ARE RUBBISH
DELEDIO FOR CAPTAIN ASAP!

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Re: In defence of Chris Hyde (Herald Sun)
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2008, 02:57:50 PM »
Chris Hyde, Chris Hyde, Chris Hyde

he probably is a good person.

but i see him taking up: Polo, Connors, Raines spot.

but ...

i can see why he is in the team every week.

he has not got speed or agility.

but is very very hard at the ball, and kicking pretty good.

he is a tagger.

i think a back pocket position could be great for him.

i see ...

Chris Hyde v Daniel Jackson v Dean Polo as our taggers.

in 2005 Chris Hyde was good. then he has dropped off.

he will get Chris Judd or Marc Murphy.

so i guess Terry "LOVES" him and will keep him in the team for that tagging role.

i personally would rather see Connors, Andrew, Travis, Raines, Polo in the team.

Hyde i would rate a 5/10, max 7/10.

i hope he can turn out to be a great tagger for Richmond.

players need players like Hyde for balls/guts.

i just hope when the match is there to be won, Chris Hyde can remember what he said to the group back then and apply it.

good luck Chris Hyde.

Go Richmond.