RFC Game Plan

[TigerLand]

Just wrote a massive post.. then it timed out and I lost it.. Grr..

Anyway.

Regarding RFC Game Plan we have established that the rolling zone does NOT work. Instead of whinging how bad we were how bout some discussion of the game plan we shoudl have rocked up with last night.

The Pope's Answer:

For mine the only way to beat the zone is to Man Up! This counters the turn over and every opposition player is free negative of playing against the zone. The only danger this means when attacking and in possession is that you are forced to play contested footy!

*SCREAMS as every current AFL player runs for there lives*

Train to improve in winning the contested ball, win the contest, run off your opponent use our speed kick long to a contest and thus win another contested ball situation and we will more often then not because that is what we train to do. In losing the contest we are all Manned Up and the hand pass checker board drawing the man game doesn't work as everyone has a man and other clubs poo themselves when it becomes a contested game.

Surely there is enough park footy in current AFL players that woudl back there contested winning ability to do this week in and week out.

Richardson = Best Contested Mark in the AFL
Foley = One of the best Midfielders in stoppages in the comp.

Riewoldt and Morton are great contested Marks in our F50.

Moore, Thursfield and McGuane are all sound 1 on 1 in the back half.

For mine it just suits us.



We don't have great foot skills we can't chase and tackle as good as otehr teams. WHY do we keep playing the run and carry game and become unaccountable for our man in the overlap counter....



Man on Man, man up, play contested footy, go hard or go home.

It's just simple football, you can talk about the game evolving to Gaelic rubbish all you like it's these 1% that count.


Players like:
Bowden, McMahon, Schultz all can't win a contested ball can enjoy playing in Coburg for the rest of there careers until they do so.

13 games to win out of 21. Its possible, just pick ourselves up stop feeling sorry for ourselves and move on.

Go Tigs.

[mightytiges]

The thing is Carlton didn't play a cluster zone last night. They did play man-on-man mostly old-fashioned long direct footy. The Blues just wanted it more and waited for us to turn the ball over and then hit us on the counter. We were the ones trying to zone ("trying" is stretching it ) but there was no intensity, pressure or discipline to it so the Blues found space easily in the holes of the zone and outwide when they spread from the middle and cut us to shreds. On the rare times we did hold them up the Blues would kick back to CHB and set up again. Very disciplined compared to the rabble we were. We never reset the play to settle the side down. We kept blindly trying to run and handball and bust through Carlton but just ran ourselves into trouble all night and coughed it up. Carlton also dominated the centre clearances after the first 15 minutes. We know we'll get smashed if that happens.

The amusing thing from last night was Jake King spoke before the game and mentioned how they believe the gameplan they have now works whereas in past years they didn't have that believe. I wonder if they still believe that strongly after last night. David King said he wasn't too concerned what Carlton did but more about what we do. He'll be very concerned today.

[TigerLand]

Yeah your spot on MT, I was more talking about our Zone and the effects it has.

Where obviously have trained to be in a zone, being free and covering space with no man thus not being exposed to much contested football. That hurt us when competing at ground level as well as getting through traffic in stoppages.

Just such a s shame we tried to zone when it didn't work against Collingwood and the end of last year was such a success. When playing the Zone every player seemed confused as to where he had to ge when we had the ball and just stood still in space with no man stagnant waving his hands to get the ball, when kicked to a hospital kick to a man that is stationary turned into chaos and ticked over the turnover count.

We don't dispose well under pressure so don't put ourselves in the situation as often as possible. (Raines.. lol)

I've never been a coach hater as I didn't mind Frawley he just had a horrible list. Wallace has never had a full competitive list until last season. To fail to blood in teh game plan to the players over a pre season for mine is complete failure of his job description. Lets hope it's just stage fright and they gel next week.

Ge it still stings doesn't it, heres to hoping they turn up at Skilled.

[Infamy]

The one thing I am disappointed in with Wallace is this zoning crap. Last year we were playing harder one on one football and it seemed to do ok for us. Hawthorn fluke a premiership cause the cats choked and now the zone is in fashion. It's crap, just look what Carlton did to us, they were running in waves supporting the ball carrier and THAT is what we need to do. We have some of the fastest players in the competition so we will have no trouble keeping up with opponents. The only way one on one fails is when someone doesn't pay attention and their opponent gets free. Creating a contest will always beat standing off your man to protect the zone.

[mightytiges]

Agree Popelord and Infamy. Let's go back to what worked for us in the second half of 2008. Gameplans should be based on what gets the best out of the group at your disposal; not what is the latest trend. The odd thing is we did something similar last year in the first 3 rounds and that failed miserably too before we changed things up and went more 1-on-1 accountable footy after the Pies flogged us.

Where obviously have trained to be in a zone, being free and covering space with no man thus not being exposed to much contested football. That hurt us when competing at ground level as well as getting through traffic in stoppages.

I and WP discussed this during the game. It looked like after spending the summer working on zoning we had completely forgetten what accountable contested 1-on-1 footy was  .

[the_boy_jake]

The one thing I am disappointed in with Wallace is this zoning crap. Last year we were playing harder one on one football and it seemed to do ok for us. Hawthorn fluke a premiership cause the cats choked and now the zone is in fashion. It's crap, just look what Carlton did to us, they were running in waves supporting the ball carrier and THAT is what we need to do. We have some of the fastest players in the competition so we will have no trouble keeping up with opponents. The only way one on one fails is when someone doesn't pay attention and their opponent gets free. Creating a contest will always beat standing off your man to protect the zone.

Our zone wasn't great, but it was better than our one on one contested footy in the first quarter.

The point is we had to switch to a "rolling zone" (I hate that term) because Carlton were smashing us in old fashioned one on one footy as MT said. When we switched we looked OK for a bit stemmed the tide but we needed some quick goals and continual zoning off and waiting for an opposition skill error is not conducive to quick scoring.

When we got the ball we rushed forward urgently, but our skill and delivery let us down and Carlton counter attacked into our very sparse defensive half.

Basically you can talk about zones, man-on-man and all the rest, but when you make as many individual errors and turnovers as we did last night it won't realy matter what system you are playing.

[Chuck17]

I couldn't see it on TV but it makes sense now to know the Blues weren't zoning.

Everytime we were running the ball out of defence all our players were marked up with little room to move, however when they moved the ball around they seem to be taking uncontested mark after uncontested mark.  I thought they may have had a few extras out there.

I'm with throwing out the zoning crap and playing one on one footy, it worked in the second half of last year and our contested footy stats were quiet good.

[Chuck17]

Just wrote a massive post.. then it timed out and I lost it.. Grr..

Quiet annoying isnt it, after I type out a long post before I hit post I copy it all just in case it gets timed out.

[mightytiges]

Our zone wasn't great, but it was better than our one on one contested footy in the first quarter.

The point is we had to switch to a "rolling zone" (I hate that term) because Carlton were smashing us in old fashioned one on one footy as MT said. When we switched we looked OK for a bit stemmed the tide but we needed some quick goals and continual zoning off and waiting for an opposition skill error is not conducive to quick scoring.

When we got the ball we rushed forward urgently, but our skill and delivery let us down and Carlton counter attacked into our very spbehind defensive half.

Basically you can talk about zones, man-on-man and all the rest, but when you make as many individual errors and turnovers as we did last night it won't realy matter what system you are playing.

That's true Jake. How many times did a handball out of a stoppage to a teammate in a bit of space land at their feet or went over their head and put us under pressure until we turned over the footy . Hit the target and we would've been away; miss the target and it completely stuffs up. Same especially with our footskills.

What disturbed me the most about the way we played is our players all too easily entered panic mode when things weren't going their way during the match and that often meant literally handballing the decision making to someone else. They lacked the mental composure and fight to collectively alter the tempo of the game themselves. Once a few players started making dumb errors it seemed to spread throughout the whole side even to our supposedly good skilled players ???.