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Re: Andrew Lovett suspended indefinitely by St Kilda
« Reply #45 on: February 16, 2010, 08:39:56 PM »
the big problem isnt his contract, the problem is his future loss of earnings, if hes not guilty and sues st kilda and wins compo on future loss of earnings + interest, his current contract will look like chicken feed compo wise.

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Re: Andrew Lovett suspended indefinitely by St Kilda
« Reply #46 on: February 16, 2010, 09:46:50 PM »
He had problems at Essendon & had not even played a game or properly trained with the Saints & his broke several club rules which was regarded very serious.
Were his problems common knowledge and the Saints drafted him knowing he was a loose cannon?

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Re: Andrew Lovett suspended indefinitely by St Kilda
« Reply #47 on: February 16, 2010, 09:49:56 PM »
Lovett should be found guilty for being a tool.

he is an A grade fukwit innocent or guilty.

Stkilda have won only 1 flag and this wont help their cause. Its actually something not even we would do, recruit a loser like then lose a player like Ball for donuts. Yep real smart!!

LMAO at the Saints not taking Cuz but then take Lovett in the draft. They look like the biggest clowns right now.

Matty Knights take a bow and Ross Lyon your just an idiot
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Re: Andrew Lovett suspended indefinitely by St Kilda
« Reply #48 on: February 17, 2010, 12:30:49 AM »
St Kilda just ignored Lovett's history because they wanted his pace in the midfield which they lacked on GF day (the reason they didn't want Ball anymore). That lack of due diligence has come back to bite them big time. What makes it more stunning if they made such a big deal of "not taking the risk" when bypassing Cuz. Getting within a kick of a flag has flawed their judgement in desperation.

the big problem isnt his contract, the problem is his future loss of earnings, if hes not guilty and sues st kilda and wins compo on future loss of earnings + interest, his current contract will look like chicken feed compo wise.

IF that was to happen.  Would it count on their salary cap?
Interesting question. Lovett is now not on their playing list so maybe not. St Kilda are saying he was sacked for other reasons on top of this to try and cover themselves. Totally different circumstances but they (thanks to Grant Thomas) sacked Capuano mid-contract so the Saints have done it before.
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Re: Andrew Lovett suspended indefinitely by St Kilda
« Reply #49 on: February 17, 2010, 02:56:39 PM »
He had problems at Essendon & had not even played a game or properly trained with the Saints & his broke several club rules which was regarded very serious.
Were his problems common knowledge and the Saints drafted him knowing he was a loose cannon?

Answer to your question is yes
They secured him fully knowing his previous convictions
They secured him because of his talent which unfortunately has gone wasted & a great lose to AFL football

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Re: Andrew Lovett suspended indefinitely by St Kilda
« Reply #50 on: February 17, 2010, 03:02:25 PM »
St Kilda just ignored Lovett's history because they wanted his pace in the midfield which they lacked on GF day (the reason they didn't want Ball anymore). That lack of due diligence has come back to bite them big time. What makes it more stunning if they made such a big deal of "not taking the risk" when bypassing Cuz. Getting within a kick of a flag has flawed their judgement in desperation.

the big problem isnt his contract, the problem is his future loss of earnings, if hes not guilty and sues st kilda and wins compo on future loss of earnings + interest, his current contract will look like chicken feed compo wise.

IF that was to happen.  Would it count on their salary cap?
Interesting question. Lovett is now not on their playing list so maybe not. St Kilda are saying he was sacked for other reasons on top of this to try and cover themselves. Totally different circumstances but they (thanks to Grant Thomas) sacked Capuano mid-contract so the Saints have done it before.

His not intitled to any payout payment. He was sacked within the terms of his contract. he will get his severence pay which after his club fines he will owe them money lol  ;D


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Re: Andrew Lovett suspended indefinitely by St Kilda
« Reply #51 on: February 17, 2010, 08:30:44 PM »


This could end up in court...

Saints' reasons for sacking flimsy: Andrew Lovett's lawyer

    * Jon Ralph
    * From: AAP
    * February 17, 2010 4:17PM

ANDREW Lovett's legal team says St Kilda does not have a strong justification for sacking the wayward forward.

Speaking this afternoon, Lovett's lawyer said the player remains determined to take his case to the AFL's grievance tribunal and will consider court action if that does not happen.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/saints-reasons-for-sacking-flimsy-andrew-lovetts-lawyer/story-e6frf9jf-1225831470532

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Lovett seeks $2 million from St Kilda in workplace bullying claim (Age)
« Reply #52 on: February 18, 2010, 03:12:28 AM »
'Bullied' Lovett in $2m bid
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February 18, 2010


ANDREW Lovett will claim that St Kilda subjected him to workplace bullying and - whether before the Supreme Court or the AFL grievance tribunal - is set to seek as much as $2 million in damages as part of his breach of contract claim.

The bullying aspect of his claim will cite the same legislation that recently led to four men and the company that runs Hawthorn eatery Cafe Vamp pay a total of $335,000 after they were convicted of failing to take reasonable care for the health and safety of waitress Brodie Panlock.

The teenager was found to have experienced relentless bullying at work before she committed suicide.

The Age has learnt that Lovett's lawyers, Lander& Rogers, are preparing to raise the Victorian Occupational Health and Safety Act as part of Lovett's case against St Kilda.

The relevance of the Act, in the eyes of the legal advisors the sacked footballer has engaged specifically to handle his contractual situation - as opposed to his rape charge - is that it legislates that employers must provide and maintain a working environment that is safe and without risk.

It will be argued that St Kilda, by deliberately excluding Lovett from the main playing group and denying him access to the club's facilities and resources during his period of indefinite suspension, had contravened those laws.

In the notice of complaint prepared by Lovett's lawyers for the AFL grievance tribunal - the sitting of which is now unclear given Lovett's sacking on Tuesday - various examples that Lovett's lawyers say constitute workplace bullying are provided. They include:

* Lovett's enforced isolation from St Kilda's playing and coaching group from the time he became the subject of a police investigation that this week resulted in a charge of rape.

* A claim that St Kilda's senior coach Ross Lyon has not contacted Lovett since December 24.

* Lovett's exclusion from a team photo that appeared in the Herald Sun on February 2.

Lovett's mental health - the player went public about his battle with depression in 2006 - is raised in the notice.

Lovett's legal team believes that St Kilda has provided him with insufficient support in respect of the allegations made against him.

The Age learnt yesterday that Lovett's lawyers were also investigating a text message they believe was sent to St Kilda's playing list, which allegedly told players that Lovett should not be contacted.

Lovett has told his lawyers that he has only had contact with three Saints players since the alleged incident in the early hours of December 24.

He has told his lawyers those players are Brendon Goddard, Leigh Montagna and Raphael Clarke.

St Kilda, the AFL and the AFL Players Association are aware of the contents of Lovett's grievance claim, which was lodged last week as part of the AFL's grievance tribunal procedures.

While it remains unclear whether the grievance tribunal will hear the case, given the Saints believe it is now void since Lovett is no longer employed as an AFL player, his legal team would take similar arguments to the Supreme Court if necessary.

Lovett's lawyers believe he has a strong case against St Kilda regardless of the criminal charge he now faces, because the football club chose to ostracise him before the determination of the criminal matter that will go before the Melbourne Magistrates' Court tomorrow.

On top of the three-year base contract worth more than $1 million Lovett had with the Saints, the player could have earned as much as $625,000 through performance-based incentives.

Lovett, whom St Kilda picked up from Essendon by trading its first pick of last November's national draft, stood to earn an extra $125,000 this season depending on his placing in St Kilda's best and fairest award, and whether he was selected in the All-Australian team.

In 2011 and 2012, the player could have earned an additional $250,000 each year on top of his base pay.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/bullied-lovett-in-2m-bid-20100217-oduw.html

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Re: Andrew Lovett sacked by St Kilda
« Reply #53 on: February 18, 2010, 08:49:25 AM »
Regardless of the claims about breach of contract blah blah, the 'aints could end up with egg on their face here.
They suspended him shortly after the accusations were made and then terminated his contract shortly after charges were laid.

This could get veeerryy messy.
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Re: Andrew Lovett sacked by St Kilda
« Reply #54 on: February 18, 2010, 01:50:41 PM »
Whether Lovett's claim has any substance or not this is the last thing St Kilda wanted. The Saints sacked Lovett hoping to wash their hands of him and not have their club associated with a court case that could drag on for a couple of years. This claim will now drag out even further as it depends on the court result of Lovett's rape charge. If he's found guilty then St Kilda are okay but if Lovett is found not guilty then he and his lawyer will go all out for compo. $2m would put a dent in the Saints' finances as they aren't a wealthy club. They only just made a profit despite making the GF.
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Re: Andrew Lovett sacked by St Kilda
« Reply #55 on: February 25, 2010, 12:32:21 AM »
SACKED player Andrew Lovett has had an important early win against St Kilda, winning the right to take his case before the AFL grievance tribunal.

The three-man panel of chairman Jack Rush QC, Kevin Power and James Dowsley then took just over an hour to decide their rulings.

Crucially, they ruled that Lovett remained a player under the terms of the AFL collective bargaining agreement, despite his sacking.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-to-hold-andrew-lovett-grievance-hearing-tonight/story-e6frf9jf-1225833882691