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Re: Kicking In Out of Defence
« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2010, 12:10:25 AM »
if the midfielders and fwds don't gut run to shake their tag to get into space no amount of footskills will help with the kick ins. weneed options down the ground, not just 1 or 2 but multiple dummy runs to open up space. There is no substitute to watching the game live, if you get a chance watch the tops teams in action and how the do selfless gut running for no possession tme and time and time again. We are simply the worst team in the afl at this (as well as running the other way) we only run hard when we KNOW we will get the ball..........selfish

Give you a tip, watch the games up high in the stand

yep, thats exactly what i'm talking abt

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Re: Kicking In Out of Defence
« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2010, 12:16:03 AM »
Best move I've seen against the zone defence kicking back in from the goal square was by Adelaide last year
There will be a single opposition player on the 50m line near the boundary, play two talls in that area and kick to that opposition player.
The two talls will (generally) be able to out mark him and you are already over the back of most of the zone allowing you to kick long again over the rest and you have an open forward line.
So simple its perfect

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Re: Kicking In Out of Defence
« Reply #17 on: March 16, 2010, 12:55:19 AM »
Exactly Infamy. If the simple most obvious option is staring the team in the face why ignore it. Footy isn't rocket science.



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I think the problem here is it relies on their being space for players 3 and 4 to run into.  Given they start either on the other wing or in the middle, their opposite number can run with them to cover the empty wing along with them, or a defensive player can come up the ground.  Player 3 may end up in a two on one situation and if not then player 4 would probably be covered by the time player 3 gets it.  The biggest "time" problem is the long kick from player 2 to 3 as by the time the ball comes down they are probably covered. 

Though it may work if you surprised them.
Yep tidy you need a well drilled side to do it at the pace needed for it to work. As soon as the kick-out is on its way player 3 should read the play and be on his way gutrunning to receive on the other wing. Player 2 expecting player 3 to be running towards the wing should mark and then kick straight away so the opposition don't have time to get a spoiler there. Not player 2 as Richmond does getting the ball and then scratching his head going umm ...[add think music] ... waiting for his teammates to be manned up as the opposition zone rolls over to this side of the ground. Yep you also don't need up and under kicks that sit up in the air for ages. We have too many players in defence who take too long to make decisions and are ordinary kicks. It makes the opposition's job far too easy. Footy is becoming more and more like Soccer in that you need footballers with elite footskills and gutrunning to slice through defensive zones.

You're right you can't try this tactic everytime as you can't for any kick-in strategy but if the space is there right in front of you go for it. If the opposition change to prevent it by bringing numbers over then some other space will open up elsewhere. Sure a top side like the Cats, Dogs or Saints make it very difficult so I'm not expecting miracles there from us but we struggle with kick-ins and exploiting space against even the mediocre teams  :help. As al said kicking to advantage is the greatest deficiency at the club. We have far too many players who either haven't got a clue what the advantage side is or simple can't execute it. Even at training when they are just doing circle work under no pressure they don't/can't kick to advantage as they should.
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Re: Kicking In Out of Defence
« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2010, 01:14:10 AM »
Even at training when they are just doing circle work under no pressure they don't/can't kick to advantage as they should.
I find this really disconcerning.
Give me an average kick who understands how to kick to advantage over a good kick that doesn't know how to kick to advantage.

This is the important element that the kicking test devised by buckly and used at the draft camp lacks.

Your right footy isn't rocket science. My first senior coach taught me that. He used to say that it was real simple. Every one has one man to beat and if enough of us did that we would win.

He also detested forward handballs...and i can see why.
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Re: Kicking In Out of Defence
« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2010, 07:54:48 AM »

He also detested forward handballs...and i can see why.

Because handball had only just been discovered in your day Al?   ;D   :lol

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Re: Kicking In Out of Defence
« Reply #20 on: March 16, 2010, 10:07:48 AM »
LOL,
drop kicks and flick passes.....??
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Re: Kicking In Out of Defence
« Reply #21 on: March 16, 2010, 11:17:09 AM »
I just missed the flick pass era but drop kicks were the best for taking a hanger!!

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Re: Kicking In Out of Defence
« Reply #22 on: March 16, 2010, 11:32:30 AM »
They were a bit before my time too. I did teach myself to kick drop kicks as a teenager though, as it greatly improves your ball drop and therefore your kicking.

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